Thread 719699695

>this is the most hyped game of 2025 and people's main GOTY candidate
That's kind of sad

It's probably going to be a good game but could you imagine if a 2D Flash tier game was people's GOTY in years 1994-2006 instead of the dozens of incredible and innovative games we actually got

Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004 and not San Andreas, Half-Life 2, MGS3, etc, it only shows how bad things have gotten

It's sad its going to be a good game?

>>719699695 (OP)
Have you seen San Andreas? It aged like shit. Cave Story is arguably a better game on that subject. The game is timeless.

>>719699746
It's not sad that it's a good game. It's sad that there's so much garbage in the market that it stands out as strongly as it does.
There was a time when AAA games were actually good.

>>719699746
It's sad an 8/10 2D game is the best the year has to offer when GOTY discussion used to be between lots of 10/10s

>>719699784
>muh grafix
Retard

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if the actual 2004 GotY won
If only.

>>719699695 (OP)
graphicfag thread. YOU're the reason why games fucking SUCK now a days. KILL YOURSELF.

>>719699805
If you care about graphics you are a tourist. Worse even. A fucking normie tourist.

>>719699695 (OP)
Okay but in gif version please
Or preferably webm

>>719699905
No one's talking about graphics except you and >>719699784

>>719699916
I don't, >>719699784 does as he said San Andreas aged like shit

Man, the contrarians are working overtime, hun

>>719699695 (OP)
Sorry bro 2025 GOTY has already been decided

>>719699974
>but could you imagine if a 2D Flash tier game was people's GOTY
nigger

>>719700023
>clair obscure

I don't care if Silksong wins.
I just want E33 to lose.

>>719699981
It's releasing tomorrow so the shills are in full force right now.
OP should try again in a month.

>>719700023
>movie game

>>719700026
"2D Flash" is meant to describe the scope retard, the games simply aren't very ambitious when it comes to gameplay innovation, which doesn't make them bad games but is also not worth all the hype

>>719700098
Aren't shills supposed to sell you on the thing?
These are anti-shills if anything

>>719699974
>implying the rest of San Andreas has anything other to offer that is GOTY material.

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004 and not San Andreas, Half-Life 2, MGS3, etc
Cave Story is way better than that slop though.

>>719700164
>>719700202
Bait is supposed to be believable

>>719700220
I simply do not care for moviegames or open world crime simulators. Cave Story is an actual game and a legendary one.

>>719700258
see >>719700220

>>719699805
>GOTY discussion used to be between lots of 10/10s
Huh

>THIS will be GOTY
>No THIS will be GOTY
>Wrong, THIS will be GOTY
Who gives a flying fuck?

>>719699695 (OP)
Better than astroturfed qte shit.

>Cave Story mentioned
>retarded thread
sigh.

>>719700294
>no argument
I accept your concession

>>719700023
You're a manlet and you don't qualify as white

>>719700312
Unironically, manchildren.

>>719700336
Anon please apply yourself, your bait did not work on anyone

Ganbare!

>>719700023
This is also sad, because E33 is a french jrpg. OP wanted something COOL and RAD and EXTREME like Call of Duty or Battlefield to become GOTY, not this artsy stuff

>>719700148
Ummm, but Hollow Knight is pretty beeg in scope

>>719700023
Hello, I'd like some gameplay in my games desu senpai

The title of Game of the Year means nothing when people actually vote for mobile trash

>>719700431
Mobile games have their own category

>>719699746
he is saying, it's sad as fuck every other game that has come out and will come out in 2025 will be trash

>>719700414
That would be like saying a Super Mario Bros game with 300 levels is big in scope, it's not it's still very simple, it just has a lot of content

>>719700148
>muh innovation
As if that was ever a factor for success or goty status.

only if youre a tranny

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story
Don't you dare drag a good game into your HK slop shitposts

I'd rather silksong than deltatroon. Never understood why /v/ is so obsessed with that shitty tumblr tier series

>>719700380
>BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT
got any arguments besides that?

>>719700602
trannies with no friends who can't cope by watching old movies and drinking themselves to death like the rest of us

>>719699805
2d is bad because...

>>719700745
It's not bad, it's just unambitious, at least in this implementation

>>719700776
how is 3d more ambitious

Newfags. Newfags everywhere.

>>719700842
By offering a literal entire new dimension of interaction and game design opportunities? What are these 6yo tier questions

>>719700148
nta, but it's worth all the hype it got. Last month I tried Metroid Prime Remastered for the first time, and I liked it a lot. I tried Samus Returns and Dread and hated both of them. Hollow Knight is a good game, and I trust Team Cherry with Silksong. I don't care if a game is created by one person or a big developer company; a good game is a good game regardless of who created it. This is why I can say Celeste is a good game, too. We will always have it good, especially in this day and age, with ROMs and emulation at our fingertips and the modding community always fixing or adding to the games. Right now I am playing picrel and I am enjoying my time.

>>719700938
That's all fine but the thread is about the industry being so dire that a simply good game stands out like a beacon of hope and GOTY material when we used to get actually incredible games on a regular basis

>>719699695 (OP)
AAA games are all pozzed nowadays, even the jap ones, ofx it deswrves it.

>>719700938
Thankfully KI:U is a really long game because we'll never get anything that fucking good again.

>>719699803
I get what you are saying but niggers are buying the newest slop thats why they keep making it. One nigger streamer just said games need battlepass to stay fresh. These are the normie demographics

I'm sure it will be fine. I don't really understand the hype honestly. I have a friend who has been waiting for it for ages though.

>>719700776
Thousand of hand-drawn animations for hundreds of different sprites is unambitious? Are you the kinda person who looks at a painting and says "this should have been a movie?"

>>719701309
I feel like you have trouble grasping the fact we're talking about game design here

>>719699695 (OP)
wasn't it like 300K+ concurrent viewers who watched the 2 minute trailer live?

>2D Flash tier game
bait/10

>>719699695 (OP)
Good art is timeless, traditional painting mogs digital painting and AI slop despite the latter being more innovative. That being said you're right that there is a drought of innovation in the gaming industry.

>>719701558
Are you implying that HK/Silksong have notably good art?

>>719700495
Scope means size, not depth.

>>719699695 (OP)
Yeah I don't understand the hype. I'm not hating I just don't think a platformer is that influential.

>>719700421
Parry and parry.

>>719701342
Yes, because the idea that a 2d game would be mechanically less ambitious than a 3d one is asinine, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and thought you had at least a semblance of an argument.

>>719699695 (OP)
Zoomers have low standards. I'm not even mocking them, it's the result of the shitty world they've grown up in.

>>719699695 (OP)
For me it was Expedition 33. Silksong is just an internet meme.

>>719700929
new dimension? 3rd dimension is ancient news dude

>>719699695 (OP)
Won’t beat Bananza

>>719701684
Games cast with nothing but dull humans bore me. At least bugs are interesting.

>>719701721
>tendie thinks that the 'game' for toddlers will beat an actual game made for people that like games
uh oh...

>>719701742
It has Monocco.

>>719701580
NTA but look at its competition.
In the modern gaming landscape it's not about what looks the best, it's what looks the least shit.

>>719701604
And 2D games have a smaller scope almost by default by lacking an entire dimension, there are exceptions but Metroidvanias ain't it

>>719701670
2D games are also mechanically less ambitious than 3D ones almost by default, San Andreas, MGS3, and HL2 were all far more ambitious mechanically than their contemporaries than HK and Silksong are

>>719701692
Illiterate or ESL, can't tell

>>719701845
In a world where Cuphead exists, Hollow Knight and Silksong have tolerable art at best

>>719699695 (OP)
You are sad for not playing it.

>>719701909
I think the true power of HK's artstyle is how much fanartists like to draw it.

Literally nobody cared about Hollow Knight before the Silksong became a "NEVER EVER" meme.

Hype is 100% artificial and not really earned

>>719700906
I don't even think SotN or Super Metroid are the best in their own series -- Aria of Sorrow > Sotn & Prime > Dread > Super

>>719699695 (OP)
>GOTY candidate
>Game hasn't released yet
>First one was notorious for not having a single new idea, just a shit load of content.
I HATE YOU FUCKING BUG FUCKERS

>>719701909
Cuphead is an outlier. Literally nobody else would (or could) ever do what they did in this day and age because the talent and budget isn't there.

What sort of hivemind did this game create that makes people upset over someone else not being excited for it? I very rarely see it this much with any other game.

>>719699695 (OP)
Silksissies: your response?

>>719702030
Nobody cares about innovation anymore outside of shareholders. The average person just wants a good game. And while I argue HK is far from GOTY material, it is a solid game.

>>719699695 (OP)
Yep
Imagine rdr2 lost to candy crush
Gaming is truly dead bros :(

>>719702047
That doesn't change the fact Hollow Knight and Silksong have art that's just okay

>>719700023
Not a real game
Maybe try for oscars or other movie award

>>719700312
98% of /v/ and reddit

>>719700906
La Mulana is not a Medtroidvania, it's Treasure of Usas-like tho.

>>719701756
Yeah that’s why toddlershit like Silkslop won’t beat a man’s game like Bananza

>>719700220
But Cave Story is legitimately better.

If your game does not have realistic 3d graphics then it does not deserve to win any award simple as

>>719699695 (OP)
Slay the Spire deserved to have won something. Shit's like virtual crack.

>>719702356
Gambling design isn't game design

>>719700023
Who?

So what will redditors do if E33 beats this?

>>719700023
Expedition 33 is artistically beyond anything else in 2025.

The French have brutally mugged the Japanese with E33 and Shinobi.

>>719700023
>asset flip
>brown filter
you guys will eat any shit that comes your way

>>719702697
Silksong is Hollow knight asset flip

>>719700148
Critics and consumers are dumb as shit but I ought to be more grateful they aren't THIS stupid, I can't even imagine how fucking bad the industry would be if it still existed

>>719702746
even if it were true (it's not), at least they done it by themselves instead of buying it on the asset store like E33 did

>>719702835
>it’s not
EVEN FUCKING MC IS ASSETFLIP FROM HOLLOW KNIGHT AHAHAHAHA
>nonono, that doesn’t count you can pay artist to draw something but you’re not allowed to buy anything from artist, otherwise it means an asset flip

I'm actually most excited for BF6 this year, I feel like decent multiplayer shooters are more rare than decent platformers. But I'm still playing Silksong too.

>>719702897
hornet has tons of new sprites and moves
stop being retarded
E33 couldn't even bother to do their own walking animations, they had to buy it, everything is bought and soulless except for the characters

>>719699695 (OP)
>GRAPHIXXXX OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Shut the fuck up.

>>719702356
it's an old game, why would it win anything now?

>>719702746
You can't assset flip hand-drawn sprites. Was the prince and pauper an asset flip of steamboat willie?

>>719699695 (OP)
The increase of low standards gamers killed the medium forever. The most this industry will get in the next year or so is just more indie garbage, gacha and games as a services.

>>719702956
> couldn't even bother to do their own walking animations
Silksong couldn’t even bother to have animations only basic sprites

>>719699695 (OP)
SHAW

>>719703060
> You can't assset flip hand-drawn sprites
But you can, just take existing sprites from HK and put them into Silksong, bam, asset flip

>>719700938
I understand disliking Returns, but I'm genuinely curious about what you hated so much about Dread. I've played 150+ hours of it since release. The controls are pretty much perfect and the map is just big enough, and it has overly agressive bosses for people who get off on pixel perfect jumps, speed strats with sequence breaking, etc. It's the closest a modern game has come to that old, comfy Super Metroid feeling.

>>719703102
>>719703143

>>719699695 (OP)
>nooooooooooo but muh graphix
Go play your $80+DLC+MTX+tip 200gb AAA slop that runs like shit on top end hardware

>>719702082
Do they teach newfags anymore that you are supposed to hide their powerlevel? No wonder the internet is going to shit.

>>719700312
chartniggers

>>719700602
It's the kind of game people either love or hate

Why did no one gave a shit about ender magnolia last year despite it being objectively a better 2d indie metroidvania than hollow knight?
Silksong is being criminally shilled, why is that?

>>719699695 (OP)
All those threads...all that gaslighting...for nothing....

>>719699695 (OP)
>zoomers celebrating some generic shitgame hyped by influencers
WOW

>>719703623
>Silksong is being criminally shilled
How so? There's one thread up where everyone is discussing it, then there's another 10 tortanic threads for it of varying low- to mid-effort.

>>719700486
False
E33 and KCD2 were great.

>>719699695 (OP)
Very true, E33 is another example. I'm not bashing these games, they're good and the only potential GOTY winners I'd consider playing but it does show how far this industry has declined. The once great giants in this business are churning out pure garbage now and the sad part is it works.

>>719700023
Movie """game"""

>>719703656
>>719703871
Why did E33 of all things mindbreak /v/ into seething about it for months?

>>719703871
>37 seconds of pure gameplay and no cutscenes. Whats your point?

>>719703939
Just like BG3. European rpgs mindbreak Anericans

>>719701684
>t. most self-aware e33 fag

>>719701816
You're on the wrong subreddit, chinlet.

>>719699695 (OP)
Hollow knight wasn‘t even indie goty when it came out. Gaming fell off

>>719703467
>calling out mental illness is now considered high power level
the internet is cooked

>>719704034
Silksong will have zero new ideas but fans will scream goty

>>719702654
Bit too obvious anon. Make the next one subtler.

>>719699695 (OP)
Let me guess, the GOTY should be the nepobaby frenchslop?

>>719704042
Yep. It is. It makes you sound mentally ill or socially retarded. Also most likely falling for bait in this case.

>>719704079
That‘s the funniest part. From the trailer and demo it‘s literally just hollow knight but with better movement. This might be an even less inspired sequel than tears of the kingdom

>forced contrarian bullshit
/v/

>>719703939
It‘s a jrpg that utterly mogged /v/s nipponese overlords

>>719704079
Nowadays liking videogames isn't about the game, but strictly about the memes

>>719700023
This entire game is just the mid-2000s anti-JRPG sentiment wrapped up in a PC package

>OOOH LOOK JRPG-STYLE GAMES DON'T HAVE TO BE SO "WEIRD" (Japanese) THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE GOOD WHEN HANDLED BY A REAL DEV (Someone not Japanese)

>>719699695 (OP)
Hornet sex

>>719700023
>People who criticized Final Fantasy XIII for being an hallway festival is now praising this

Do you fags really

>>719703939
this board is full of failed "men" who don't play games. they have no taste or any grasp on what makes a game good. all they know is that E33 wasn't made by nogs, so to these people, it's validation for white people for that game to win the journo award at Keighley's show. it'll be the only good thing that happens in the life of the average unemployed /v/ failson. the irony ofc being the fact that none of these manlets are white to begin with. that's why anytime someone points out that E33 is just a shittier counterpart to bioshock infinite, with a horribly written temu-tier story hailed as a literary masterpiece by insecure illiterate retards, and an unimaginative combat system that's hailed as revolutionary by tourists, the threads fill up with autists running cover for it and sperging about trannies and indians or atlus games or whatever else. because it's about their self-proclaimed white identity. even though they aren't really white.

>>719699695 (OP)
Cave Story is a very valid choice for 2004. Come to think of it, if I made a top ten of my favorite games of the present decade (which we're already halfway through at this point, what the hell) I'm not sure any 3D games would make it at all.

>>719703871
This is like posting a clip of you affing aroun in menus in Elden Ring to claim that it's a bad game.

>>719701862
>2D games are also mechanically less ambitious than 3D ones almost by default
pppfffffhhahahahahaha. You are so underaged and uneducated it hurts. Mechanically literally the only thing HL2 did different from its contemporaries was the gravity gun. The main reason HL2 was praised so much (and rightfully so) was because of its storytelling and world-building, which makes it evident that all you give a shit about is the story in games and its presentation. Since Silksong's presentation doesn't appeal to you, you've crafted some pants-on-head retarded explanation to justify your dumbass opinion.

>>719699784
Cave story is clunky. I don't get why people love it so much.

>>719703747
It just stopped happening for third party games because they started sucking hard after 2007

>>719704351
>this board is full of failed "men" who don't play games. they have no taste or any grasp on what makes a game good. all they know is that E33 wasn't made by nogs, so to these people, it's validation for white people for that game to win the journo award at Keighley's show.
Would you say the same for Team Cherry?

>>719704452
Cave Story a bit shite but it was the first freeware that was one par with, and in some cases better than contemporary games. I would argue La Mulana is what Cave Story is made out to be, except it's much less welcoming to new players.

Sorry, but I'm wrapping up 100%ing the new Shinobi instead, because Hollow Knight 1 was boring as fuck, and after that I got Helldivers 2 and Nightreign content to try out.

>>719700023
I think Silksong will be the better game. I replayed Hollow Knight last week and had a lot more fun than i did with E33.

>>719704084
My point is literally that all the other games are so bad Silksong looks way better than it is in comparison and how that's a sign of a declining industry

It's very explicit, I don't know how so many people missed it

>>719703313
Mainly the emmi or whatever robot that hunts you down not to mention the qte is absolutely horrible in that game and I remember I hated the map ui, it felt like a rogue like Metroid game and not in a good way, I might go back to it later and try to finish it, but for now there is so much better games to play instead.

>>719704386
Not him, but messing around with menus is the downtime in Elden Ring, while it's the absolute apex E33 reaches in the gameplay department.

>>719700023
>the replies
holy shit this game mindbroke /v/. is "movie game" the only cope they could come with when it couldn't be farther than a movie game?

>>719704256
Correct. E33 > every jrpg

>>719699695 (OP)
AAA just hasn't innovated in a while.
Basically we went from different types of 2d games, experimental 3d games, different types of 3d games, 3d games with large worlds and currently right now there isn't a trend but instead a template where we get a open world RPG game with a 3 path passive tree if that at all

>>719704569
I tried La Mulana as well and it felt like I was playing Castlevania 1 on NES.

>>719704534
E33's dickriding exploded after the fake controversy around the studio being accused of not hiring nonwhites, that's when the youtuber fags that are all trying to be the critical drinkers of gaming started spamming videos about it, and their audiences full of old fags who don't play any games, old or new, turned this POS game into their pet cause. Before that some people were using it as an anti-ubisoft anti-AAA cudgel which sure that's based, but the game itself is ubisoft-tier dogshit that makes complete sense to have been made by ex-ubisoft employees.

Silksong hasn't had any such BS controversy that drew in the non-gamer fat fucks to shill for it 24/7 for culture war faggotry, at least not to the same level. At most it probably just has the "fuck AAA, based $20 price tag" thing, which is great but not as charged as the hiring story for shitfall studios. So no I wouldn't say that about team cherry.

>>719704748
parryslop movie game*

>>719702590
Silksong jihadists will strike the e33 reddit, probably.

>>719704881
/v/ liked E33 from the second it was revealed, you weren't there

The sticky and all the comfy threads were shitting on every other game being shown and then when E33 came up people started hopeposting, later the dev team images surfaced and /v/ started praising them for being all white, but the controversy you're talking about happened much much later

Hating on E33 for that controversy is like hating on New Vegas for having the indian hate campaign launched against it

>>719704878
Try the sequel, it has more modernized controls. It still manages to somehow be the harder game.

>>719704902
I guess hollow knight is a metroidvaniaslop movie game then? This is how retarded you sound.

>>719704341
>e33
>hallway

Did you even play the game? Oh nevermind you can't

>>719705030
Nah, HK/Silksong will gape and rape E33 anus haha

>>719705009
I might try it after silksong.

>>719699695 (OP)
Lol..this game has the best combat mechanics of any metroidvania, as a result it has the best bosses and Team cherry knows it's one of their strengths so there's a boss rush with how many? 42 bosses.
Also as a result it's a great precision platformer too, only in hk there's pretty much one small level that asks you to do that. (If SS has more, maybe not as hard all the time, but more platforming, that will be the cherry on top for the game.)
It's a gameplay monster, looks cheap sure, but it costs how it looks. It's still original, hand-drawn animation with tons of personality to the bosses and npcs.

>>719699695 (OP)
I started playing Hollow Knight to check out why people are hyped for silksong and I was extremely underwhelmed, if this game is as boring as HK I'll never bother listening to indie shills ever again.

>>719705237
>Lol..this game has the best combat mechanics of any metroidvania
Guacamelee is better

Hornet is cute and one of the best vidya mascots I've seen in a long time.

>>719705007
I don't hate e33 for that controversy. I hate it because it's a garbage failure on all counts and the biggest disappointment I've seen in gaming in years, but that's beside the point. The post was about fat manlets who watch tourist youtubers 24/7 and care only about culture war faggotry, and using games as an excuse to perpetuate that faggotry being an invasive locust species.

>>719705281
SHAW

>>719705094
>The areas are an overbit larger than an hallway but i assure you that are not linear and empty!
Yeah, you definetely haven't played it

zoomers never used newgrounds and don't understand what OP is trying to say about this game's art style

>>719704881
You’re not wrong about the culture war drag-ins, but blaming E33’s popularity entirely on that is cope in itself. It was already gaining traction for looking like the kind of game people wanted after years of focus-tested junk-no minimap spam, no gear score BS, no attention-warping UI bloat-just actual design with vision and intent. Then yeah, the YouTubers smelled blood in the water when the hiring "controversy" dropped and the usual grifters latched on. But let's not pretend the game didn’t have organic hype. /v/ was posting webms and frame data breakdowns like it was 2016 again with Souls games.

Silksong just doesn’t have that mix of controversy and mainstream ignore-the-indie-gem energy, even if it probably deserves it more. It WILL be better, but it lacks that volatile cocktail that makes threads melt down like this one.

>>719705094
>sometimes the hallways get wide
Give it up man, E33 is shit.

Luv Hollow Knight
Luv E33
Luv JRPGs
Simple as

>>719705094
There's a reason E33 doesn't have a minimap

>>719704341
CO 10/10 kino
FF dogshit
It's that simple.

>>719703939
The mindbteakimg part is howany people consider it a good game.
Just like Netflix slop this is a statement that marketing matters more than content.

>>719705421
>but blaming E33’s popularity entirely on that is cope in itself.
I think E33's popularity does have to do with a lot of various agendas people were pushing. Things like trying to tell japan we want turnbased jrpg's to come back, culture war shit like white devs and even euro pride. Unfortunately that is how the internet works these days there's a lot of stupid shit around popular things that really doesn't have anything to do with the thing it self.

We will see how strong the E33 fandom is as the years go on.

>>719700258
HL2 is not a movie game at least. HL2 definitely deserved its roses.

>>719705958
E33 is not bad for a first game. I'll play the next game they make, now that they'll have experience and a budget.

>>719701384
There's an iceberg effect at work here because many people were watching streamers watch the announcement. To be generous I would say every 1 view was amplified by at least 10 viewers on streaming platforms.

>>719705421
>but blaming E33’s popularity entirely on that is cope in itself
you keep making up a phantom in your head to argue with for no reason, so I'll leave you to it

>>719705958
>We will see how strong the E33 fandom is as the years go on.
The biggest indictment of that game's horribly unimaginative game design is the fact that if anyone is still talking about two years from now, any conversations they have about the encounters along the main quest will sound like conversations about a souls boss and not a turn-based game boss. it'll be black twitter users with names like "black viking" "black samurai" "black shogun" blabbing about parry timings and attack strings, with no word on a single bit of turn-based strategy on the part of any of the critical path enemies.

>>719705094
It's linear as fuck. And you know it. The gameplay is 6/10, far from GOTY material.

>>719699695 (OP)
>could you imagine if a 2D Flash tier game was people's GOTY in years 1994-2006
What is N?

>>719706689
Was N++ good? Kinda tuned out after N+

>>719706545
>The gameplay is 6/10, far from GOTY material.
What. You mean you weren't amazed at having to pay a parry/dodge/jump tax between every single turn before you get to do any turn based strategizing against enemies who practically never employ any such strategizing of their own? You don't think that shoving turn based gameplay to the wayside in order to foreground cinematic parryshit that makes twitter apes basedface mindlessly is innovative gameplay that revolutionized rpgs?

>>719705256
Oh come the fuck on. At least put in a reasonable take like nine sols.

>>719699695 (OP)
Doubt it gets more fanfare than E33 and DK

>>719706869
it will get fake fanfare from streams playing it day one

>>719699805
>>719700776
>NOOOO IT NEEDS TO BE LE HECKIN' PHOTOREALISTIC AND GETTING 20FPS WITH A 5090 OR IT'S NOT AMBITIOUS
Shalom, rabbi.

>>719706729
It's mostly additional levels from what I remember, but I spent most of my time with the original version.

Should I 100% it?

>>719706768
Gucamelee combat is amazing though

>>719699695 (OP)
>Go to work
>See SHAW on van on way to work
>Wearing ADIDAS jacket
>See GUD on back of car on way back
GET OUT OF MY HEAD

>>719703745
>game with forced anal sex with a black guy is good
lmao

Please let this game win GOTY so FFfags get shit on two years in a row

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004 and not San Andreas, Half-Life 2, MGS3, etc
I don't even like cave story that much, but it's still a better game than those. Games have gotten worse in general, but the specific phenomenon you're pointing out has more to do with the gradual death of graphicsfags.

>>719706929
ESL

>>719700023
I wish this game didn't completely shit the bed with Act 3.

>>719707182
You are underage

>>719706869
E33 got fanfare from journos who wanted to milk those dogshit "documentaries" about the game on their channels and from non-gamers like the people who make up 90% of the fandom for games like persona and yakuza and resident evil despite never having actually played a single game in the series. Silksong has all its noise coming from autists that actually play shit.

>>719707180
Real ffchads will be rooting for silksong while cloutchasing faggots like NSP shill e33

>>719699695 (OP)
>this is the most hyped game of 2025
no
>and people's main GOTY candidate
no
still a pretty good game, for an indie game anyway

Most fuckable bugs

1. White Lady (canon)
2. Hornet (according to fanart)
3. Weevil (according to me)

Saying that one game is better than another game based purely on graphics is like saying a movie is better than another because they used a better camera or because they made better cgi for it.

It's current year, I don't even think about new games in terms of how much better they will look compared to older ones. Because the technological leaps are no longer easily perceptible.

>>719707673
ESL

>>719700312
this

>>719700632
>watching old movies and drinking themselves to death like the rest of us
Holy shit this is literally me

>>719699695 (OP)
Imagine being mad that people still like hand-drawn 2D games.

>>719699695 (OP)
Why are you snoyboys so mad about it?

so /v/ getting mindbroken is due to a game's objective success, to the point that /v/ comes up with pathetic cope phrases like "spiritually flopped"

>>719703939
It has to do with the demographics of the board. It has a high population of nintendo manchildren who still googoogaga in their mid 30s and still haven't let go of their pokemon and also a high population of unironic weebs who worship FATlus games. There is an overlap between these 2 demographics of course. E33 not being on switch and mogging repooptazio was bound to mindbreak these retards who worship corporations.
Corpos are not your friends, retards.

>>719707624
>Bugs
>White Lady
I'm sorry anon, its terminal White Lady is root. Why do you think the eggs she laid looked and behaved like seeds sprouting?

>>719708359
But she said that she rooted herself on purpose so she wouldn't breed with everything that walked.

>>719707014
chase achievements that are not 112% kind and you are good

>>719707014
Wondering the same. I’m scared of the Ironman achievements though.

>>719699695 (OP)
>2D Flash tier game was people's GOTY in years 1994
>2D flash game
>1994

>>719707242
>But enough about BG3

>>719708831
>tier

Game journalists

>$20 games could be irresponsible for the industry, and here's why.
>Why shadow-dropping should not become the norm
>Silksong is a good game, but it fails to have a message. Here's what this means.
>(12 months from now) Yes, Silksong was always woke, and that's a good thing

>>719709008
They're right.

>>719709081
*Xhey're

>>719705286
Stfu woketroon

>>719700304
He doesn’t understand that if he were alive during any of the years that happened he’d hate 90% of that year’s lineup and claim they’re all trash except [my game]

>>719700023
Literally this. There is no chance E33 does not win

>>719710798
That's a good thing, if a 'vania should win it's Ender magnolia, silksong will have shit art and no mechanics like HK

>>719710623
Stfu negroid tranny manlet

>>719699695 (OP)
/v/niggers be like:
>realistic graphics don't matter
>pixelshit is bad
>modern 3d sucks
also /v/niggers:
>hand drawn art is bad and it looks like your favorite martian actually

>>719699695 (OP)
Will pirate and play for an hour or two then forget about it.

/thread

>>719709008
The fourth one will be true.
There will be gay bugs and you will like it.

>>719699746
he's sad there's basically no competition for goty unlike previously where you had multiple games running for that title. silksong willl be goty but only because it has no real competition.

>muh flash game
There is no flash game that has the same amount of content Hollow Knight has at a comparable visual quality.
Only people who say this shit didn't actually play flash games.

>>719700929
I'd argue gta or half life arent really more deep or complex than sneedsong

>>719711129
HK has always had terrible shit hand drawn art, every character looks like a bug hello kitty with a black body and the backgrounds are just black + some saturated color

>>719700023
>2 best games of the year are sold for reasonable prices

No wonder 80€ soitendo slop purchasers are seething

>>719711214
OP was probably born in 2010

>>719699695 (OP)
>NO THIS CAN'T BE GOTY IT'S NOT 3D
Cave story would have been a contender if it didn't have a niche audience for the time period honestly.
Game of the year is always a popularity contest with normies, cave story was pretty much unknown while san andreas was the biggest normie-magnet of the year and half-life 2 was considered groundbreaking mechanically.
GoTY is and always has been "most popular with normies" not "best actual game"

>>719711503
That's when the average HK fan was born

>>719700148
2D flash has always, always been an insult toward generic and simple looking 2D games.

>>719711220
You weren't there

>>719711129
HK and Silksong are completely unremarkable when it comes both to 2D art and 2D game design, Cuphead visually mogs everything released in the last 15 years, Fallout 2 (a 2D game) mogs everything released in the last 15 years when it comes to game design

>>719701862
>2D games are also mechanically less ambitious than 3D ones almost by default, San Andreas, MGS3, and HL2 were all far more ambitious mechanically than their contemporaries than HK and Silksong are
Lies 3D graphicfags tell themselves.
San andreas added nothing new mechanically from when GTA was 2D. MGS3's mechanical improvements were all done in menus and HL2's gravity gun was something impressive because most games prior had no clue how to handle physics in 3D despite it being something basic bitch 2D cashgrabs games did right.
Almost every 3D "ambitious mechanic" from the 2000s was something lifted from 2D games. So how can you say they are more "ambitious".

>>719700023
>>719699695 (OP)
for me its abiotic factor

>>719712029
>San andreas added nothing new mechanically from when GTA was 2D
Underage and retarded, let me see you do a loop de loop in a 2D GTA

>>719699695 (OP)
I played maybe half or 3/4 of hollow knight main story, not really sure because I got bored and never finished. Maybe its because I played metroid dread just before it which had better pacing. Idk should I force myself to finish the first game to join the hype train or nah?

>>719699695 (OP)
>tranny programmer
Instant pirate for me

>>719711176
Did we just forget about Expedition 33?

People calling HK art "Flash" because it has thick outlines is the most retarded shit ever.

>>719711579
And "2D Flash tier" means something else

>>719712419
Thick outlines.. and simplistic flat coloring.. and huge heads on tiny bodies.. and floaty animation.. and character designs reminiscent of one of the most notable Flash games..

But apart from those and some others it looks nothing like Flash

>>719712530
How dare you compare alien hominid to reddit knight?

>>719712530
Didn't Alien Hominid also have a paid game down the line

>>719699695 (OP)
At least Silksong completely blew the fuck out of deltatroon so we don't have to put up with their 'humor' anymore

>>719699695 (OP)
Honestly, I welcome a game like this being GOTY. Between the astro bot GOTY last year and a potential GOTY for silksong, AAA studios would be absolutely mind broken knowing their 80 dollar open world story driven action adventure games can't even compete with a 20 dollar indie platformer. The shit storm will truly be something to behold.

>>719708983
give examples in 1994 mate

>>719713762
Jazz Jackrabbit

>>719713101
They literally don't care as long as their $80 garbage continues to sell

>>719707167
>>game with forced anal sex with a black guy is good
Looks like you downloaded the wrong game.

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004
How retarded to you have to be to say this like it's a bad thing

>>719708319
I wonder how the devs of E33 feel about the fact that the majority of their fans hate jrpgs, despite fact that they are huge fans of jrpgs themselves.

>>719714360
The point is that even though Cave Story is good, 2004 was filled with so many incredible games that it would've never stood a chance

>>719700023
The jerking around this game was incredibly obnoxious
>muh 33 devs that never worked on a game before
>muh soundcloud artist

>>719714383
I don't get that mentality,much of the reason I love Expedition 33 is because it reminds me of when Final Fantasy used to actually be good.

>>719715413
Shitters like you are the reason gaming is in the dumps now

>>719699805
a 10/10 has been a lock for GOTY since April 24th. I like HK and am excited for Silksong but a 2d metroidvania has zero chance of ever winning GOTY

>>719715413
>DOOD PARRIES
such amazing game design
>DOOD TEMU INCEPTION
masterpiece writing

thank you ex-ubisoft fags, you totally never belonged at a trash studio like that.

>>719714383
>I wonder how the devs of E33 feel about the fact that the majority of their fans hate jrpgs, despite fact that they are huge fans of jrpgs themselves.
they don't feel any way about that because it isn't true. a handful of obnoxious faggots on /v/ are not indicative of a whole you retard. actual jrpgchads love E33.

>>719715759
If you rate expedition 33 anything over a 5/10 you're a legitimate subhuman. unironically lower than people whose favorite film is avengers endgame.

>>719699695 (OP)
Corniest looking Reddit game of all time, glad I never played HK and never even gave in to faggot retards screeching about how “le good” it is lmao Silksong looks like shit too

>>719715764
post playtime
>>719715834
post playtime you cock smoking subhuman faggot. I hope you contrarian brownoids get a fucking bullet. you didn't fucking play it

>>719715832
>actual jrpgchads love E33.
This. When I think turn based RPGs, I think "man you know what this game needs? parries between every turn so I can focus on the boss' attack timings because none of them are designed to actually implement any real turn-based strategies against me. THAT'S what persona and final fantasy need. a rare obscure (heh, no pun intended) mechanic like parries."

>>719699695 (OP)
not that weird, it's like if someone back in 2004 prefered the smaller, less graphic-pushing Metroid: Zero Mission, Megaman Zero 3 or Space Rangers 2 over a soulless AAA title like Doom 3

>>719715971
not even going to dignify your retarded faggotry with a response. you lost.

>>719715921
You're not white any you'll never reproduce because you're sub-6ft :)
Remember that when you autistically hyperventilate like a sperg once that ubisoft-tier travesty gets Keighley's GOTY from the jury of journos that are every bit as trooned out and tourist trash as you are.

>>719704881
didn't the E33 popularity ramp up way before that fake news?

>>719716064
Again >>719716109
your bloodline is dead because of you being a subhuman, and that's a good thing :)

>>719699695 (OP)
literal skill issue

>>719715971
It's fun though and gives you something to do besides just watching during the enemies turn.

>>719716109
>>719716183
holy fucking projection. my white daughter turns 3 in a few weeks btw you mutilated freak tranny
e33 is winning goty it doesn't matter how you feel about it. it will consistently be remembered as one of the best games of the 2020s. it will still be discussed 20 years from now. meanwhile you will keep crying like the limpwristed buckbroken faggot you are. you lost, pussy.

>>719716159
Elsewhere yes, but this self-hating nonwhite mental patient >>719715759 >>719715921 >>719716064 only started sperging out about it like it's the last bastion of validation for his desired racial identity after the hiring nontroversy

>>719704881
what a fucking moron holy shit. that manufactured non controversy only happened because it got so big and successful
you are brown. you are non white. kill yourself you seething faggot

>>719716334
It's a good thing you're a mentally-ill ugly loner that's more pathetic than synthetic man :) fitting fate for the kind of money that hinges his sense of self-worth on a pile of dogshit soulless derivative slop like parryshit 33

>>719699695 (OP)
>dozens of incredible and innovative games we actually got
name 5 in the last 2 years

>>719716442
my favorite game of 2025 is going to win goty and be fondly remembered. what about yours? post pc specs or ps5 right now to prove you're not a sour grapes tendie

>>719699805
That hasn’t been the case since 2001.

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004
Doesn't sound too bad to me.

>>719714383
Pretty sure they are happy with their situation and don't care about what mentally ill fatlus tendies have to say on /v/eddit.

>>719715921
>>719716064
>>719716334
>>719716431
>>719716548
love that a little bug game is causing this troon frog autist to have such a melty

>>719716541
We're not talking about the good games of the last 2 years we're talking about them being bad to the point Silksong looks like GOTY

Meanwhile 1994-2006 had so many incredible games that a game like Silksong would never be able to stand out so meaningfully

>>719716742
>faggot who posts these back to back accuses someone else of having a melty
>>719716109
>>719716183
you can't be serious right now lmao. also I'm praising a game I love, you're seething about a game you didn't play. Who exactly is having the melty here? post wrist and prove you aren't a tendie or I accept your concession

>>719700023
I liked E33 even if I disagree with everyone on the writing. Since its so terrible. It was easily GOTY but I hope SilkSong cucks them.

>>719716742
it's adorable how obvious it is that it's always the same guy whenever he pops up in any thread. just chimping out constantly. reminds me of blacks that run those console war youtube channels, he acts exactly the same way as they do. people who have nothing going for them in real life so they gaslight themselves into vicariously claiming some studio's victory (at a game show voted on by a tranny IGN journo jury, no less) for themselves.

I can't decide if I should get Silksong now to make AAA companies and other indie devs seethe, or wait for a sale like I always do.

>>719712419
since when was being a flash game an insult
a lot of cool shit originated from newgrounds flash animations and games

>>719716886
and yet I'll be the one laughing when all of you contrarian browns get btfo in the very near future.

>>719716886
Expect him to be a fixture in every silksong thread for the foreseeable future sadly. Autists genuinely don't deserve to breathe.

>>719715323
nothing comparable to 7 years of redditfags shilling a mediocre metroidvania as the best thing ever

just let the normies have their game, they're not hurting anyone. There's always going to be something overrated in society, you can't help that. Are there better indie games? Of course, but the masses need to pick something to feel unified so it was hollow knight.

>>719717085
are you implying I don't like hk/silksong just because I said e33 will win goty? it's possible to like more than one thing you know

>>719717006
>the IGN trannies who gave GOTY to Last of Us 2 are going to give a dogshit game with a horrific story and garbage parrytard gameplay GOTY
>this is going to be the only good thing that happens to me all year
>I'm going to grind my teeth 24/7 everyday until this happens in autistic anticipation of it
>ppl who have actual good taste in games and DGAF about tranny journo awards shows are the ones that are btfo by this

trannies seething at the silly bug game will never not be funny

>>719700023
damn the silksongies exploded over this one

>>719717312
try being white before posting on my board again you fat faggot tendie

>>719699695 (OP)
>implying there's anything wrong with 2D games
I hate zoomers so much its unreal.

>>719717313
This

>>719699695 (OP)
pretty sure E33 takes it but to your point its derivative of games goty games from the period you mentioned

>>719700023
>the absolute seething replies to this post
lmao, bunch of insecure faggots.

>>719717387
Your bloodline is dead, autist :) taking out your rage over being an unlovable midge on this board will never change reality

>>719700421
if gameplay didnt matter then why is that the main reason people have hated final fantasy games for 2 decades now? e33 is basically ffx mixed with legend of dragoon so I guess gameplay in jrpgs actually does matter

>>719717392
It is cancer when 2D games try to shove in 3D dark souls and open world elements like currency you need to collect after dying and a huge empty map you press left to navigate for minutes, Silksong will not even be the best 2D game of this year

>>719700421
anybody saying this shit hasn't played the game, e33 isn't some snoy moviegame unc

>>719717514
>Silksong will not even be the best 2D game of this year
Which 2D games released this year?

>>719715921
>>719716064
>>719716334
>>719716431
>>719716840
>>719717006
>>719717387
>>719717472

>>719717568
Ender magnolia is way better than HK and HK 2

>>719699805
>muh grafix
>Also shitting on the game for being 2D
Hypocrisy is not how you fit in

>>719717640
>better than HK
Yes.
>HK 2
Not out yet.

>>719717583
>>719716886
it honestly is funny how despite hiro getting rid of stuff like IP counts, refusing to add things like thread IDs, and just generally nuking the QOL of this site into the dirt in order to juice the ad rev, the mindbroken samefaggers and spammers make themselves known so readily in every thread they pollute

>>719717473
I'll make sure my child experiences the classic Expedition 33 in about 12 or 13 years. her taste as a toddler is already more patrician than yours lmao

>>719717731
Silksong looks like the same shit with maybe 1 or 2 new mobility abilities, still no weapon variety or attack patterns, it's literally 1 attack: the game

>>719717775
>lmao
>t. picrel
it's a good thing you'll never reproduce. your chimp offspring would just end up on twitter and glaze parryshart like every other black content creator that's wowed by parry animations because they lack the gray matter required to play an actual turn based game, same as yourself

>>719717770
>completely unrelated posts not even saying the same things with completely different posting styles
>SAMEFAGSAMEFAGSAMEFAG
I think you're projecting aren't you? Both of those posts are you right?

>>719717775
E33 is such a weirdly tepid and nothingburger game to attach yourself onto to this degree. It's like a woman making the Greta Gerwig Barbie film into her entire personality instead of just liking Barbie. just such an oddly terminally online compulsion.

>>719717938
you're a childless faggot larping about "you will never reproduce/your bloodline is dead" totally unprompted. I don't care if you believe me, you are a brown third worlder who I don't even view as human.
>required to play an actual turn based game
name your favorites so I can laugh at you. I would wager any amount that I've played more than you and have been playing them for many more years than you.

>>719717989
NTA but every post is the same guy calling anyone who isn't dumb enough to worship e33 a faggot. there's no detective work required, even, the guy isn't exactly trying to hide it. are you trolling?

So your problem is that it's 2D instead of realism grafix, right?

>>719718082
>E33 is such a weirdly tepid and nothingburger game to attach yourself onto to this degree.
you got playtime to back up this opinion? also I only do it because of the faggot contrarians shitting on it who haven't even played it. Im not obsessed with the game by any means, I played it for 55 hours on launch and never even did the last couple achievements
i am simply going to continue to call out faggots shitting on games they obviously haven't played. at least spend your time shitting on the countless pozzed leftoid propaganda and not the literal one single good game made in the west in the last 7-8 years

>>719718229
One of those posts and only one of those posts was mine and I didn't say anything close to that so I ask again. You're projecting right samefagbro?

>>719718145
But you've never played a game, and you've never had a genuine laugh. You're a mentally unstable midge. It's why you're sperging everyday about a game that no one will speak about within weeks of it getting this gaynigga journo award you keep fetishizing with such weird, obsessive fervor, and why you're never going to reproduce.

>>719718240
2D is great, HK is not good for the genre since it's a shit game

>>719699695 (OP)
>Most hyped game
That's because paid shills like you have to work 8 hours a day to push the ad campaign

>>719718283
>Im not obsessed with the game by any means

>>719700938
Prime and returns are both made by the Spanish. I fucking hate them. Try literally any other 2d Metroid

>>719718283
>the countless pozzed leftoid propaganda and not the literal one single good game made in the west in the last 7-8 years
Ah so that's it. you're a critical cuckler, vara dark, fagdymion livestream-addicted culture-war fattie. carry on, I didn't realize how hopeless (and nonwhite) you were. I'm gonna go back to posting hot bugs.

imagine being a shazamtranny and having literally nothing better to do than spam a taiwanese rhizome cultivation forum in the vain hope that it will make some bug game flop.
>you now remember two weeks ago
>minutes after the announcement
>there was already some sperg trying desperately to pit Silksong and E33 against each other for some insane reason

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004 and not San Andreas
Cave story is a significantly better game than nigger sandbox sim

>>719699695 (OP)
>NOOOOO HOW CAN 2D GAME BE GOTY WHERE ARE THE PHOTOREALISTIC GRAPHICS WHERE ARE THE 3D OPEN WORLD WHERE ARE THE BILLION DOLLAR MARKETING REEEEEEEEEEEEE
So many AAA niggercattle are gonna stroke out when the hollowGOD spam starts in 22 hours lmao

>love metroidvania
>Hated hollow knight
Boy, having to equip the compass so you know where you are is such a good game mechanic. Luckily the whole map doesn't look exactly the same. Jmnjam

>>719718450
>person who loved a game and wants to talk about it
vs
>person who had never played a game yet spends time shitting on it daily
I'm the obsessed one in this scenario? this game buckbroke you faggots so much it's genuinely unreal
>>719718593
I only know those names from fellow zoomgroids like you constantly shitting up the board with your faggy ecelebs. I don't watch jewtubers because I'm not a fucking faggot.
but thanks for outing yourself as a leftoid troon

>>719713963
try again

>>719699695 (OP)
cave story WAS my goty, and it still shits all over every triple a slop ever released

>>719718283
I wouldn't call expedition 33 "leftoid propaganda" but sciel's entire shtick is just being a whore that bloviates about loving her husband while fucking anything that moves. it's a pretty onions game all things considered, like it's very clearly made primarily for those mid women who run those film reaction youtube channels.

>>719718775
Thank god for normiecattle t bh, they saved us from fags like you

>>719704042
That was a clown farming post you retard they even let the cat out of the bag in the same thread

>>719699695 (OP)
In 2004, I was playing Pimin 2, Metroid Zero Mission and Tales of Symphonia. Not those gay AAA movie games.
Though I respect GTA, it's not really my kind of thing. I always found the missions tedious, and the sandbox elements get old really fast. It never engages me like a good Metroidvania.

>>719718718
>>person who loved a game and wants to talk about it
>vs
>>person who had never played a game yet spends time shitting on it daily
>I'm the obsessed one in this scenario? this game buckbroke you faggots so much it's genuinely unreal
But you don't love the game and you don't want to talk about it. You just want to find people making fun of the genre and then chimp out at them and act like the monkey that you are.

>>719701991
Dread is extremely mediocre. Like a 6/10. I'm tempted to say 5, but it has its highlights.

>>719699695 (OP)
Name one innovative AAA game or AAAA game this year.

>>719718952
>But you don't love the game and you don't want to talk about it.
it's impossible to talk about because of subhuman cocksuckers who didn't play it that are compelled to shit up every thread that mentions it.

My goty will *probably* be HoMM Olden Era based on the playtest. Silksong will be closed second though. Total AAA Death

>>719719238
They still haven't even finished adding sound effects. That shit isn't coming out this year

>>719719114
and I'm glad you'll stay here forever like the autist you are, and that you'll probably make 500 posts when the journos that are just as ugly, faggoty, and nonwhite as you end up giving it GOTY at their gay little show on order to celebrate. it's what you deserve for being mentally unstable.

>>719719071
In a metroidvania fluid movement is all so dread is like 9.5/10

>>719719307
Early access release date will be announced on oct 9th, it's probably this year but yeah it's far from finished

>>719719475
>Early access
>For a fucking Ubisoft game
I fucking hate the modern development cycle

>>719719708
Ubisoft isn't involved at all, Unfrozen even got another publisher to handle it. Ubisoft only owns the IP

>>719719741
>Unfrozen even got another publisher to handle it
That I didn't know. Wack. Still horse shit. All the old (good) HoMM games were made in 2 years max. Modern development cycles are a joke

>>719704171
>>719704079
I'm tired of people saying that sequels need to be super elaborate and expansive differences from their original games.
Nigger I want silksong to be hollowknight but in a new kingdom and playing as hornet.
>actually it should have been made into an driving game
kill yourself

>>719719475
>early access
lol what
are they insane

>>719719836
You'll be happy to know that it has only been 13 months since Olden Era was announced

>>719719920
Holy fuck this has been the longest year of my life then. I feel like it was announced at the start of COVID. I concede

>>719700312
nigga we live in society where we're seeking constant validation from strangers on the internet, GOTY is the ultimate validation, that means I'm right and you're wrong and I win, I don't get it either

>>719719885
Not insane. Just retarded catering to an audience of MAYBE 500k people but more realistically 100k

>>719701862
>San Andreas
>mechanically ambitious
I needed that laugh. Thank you.

>>719700312
Ironically I always hope my personal GOTY isn't GOTY because if it is it is a constant reminder you are normalfag cattle

>>719719862
It's people who don't play any games and just wait for games to get converted into discourse bait so they can have something to watch livestreams about and bitch about 24/7. doesn't just shit up any conversation about a rant, it makes actual criticism impossible to get through the noise.

>>719720529
>conversation about a rant,
conversation about a game*
I hate swype so much

>>719719471
Yeah, brainlet take there. Not surprising from a Dread fan.
Half of the movement in Dread is automated. Just get near a thing, and press a context sensitive button for Samus to perform an awesome maneuver. You don't even have to be very precise.

They nerfed wall jumping because they couldn't design around the level of freedom that it provided in previous games. Taking the lazy route to gimp wall jumping, in order to make locking the player into a route easier for them. Less creative thinking that way.

Poor level design makes exploration unrewarding. And exploration is just as, if not more important than action in a Metroidvania. It's kind of the thing that distinguishes the genre away from typical action games. If you just want to play a fast paced spammy game, then go play gunstar heroes or contra or something.

>>719713963
by that logic nearly all games from 1994 are"2D flash games"

>>719699805
>GOTY discussion used to be between lots of 10/10s
I hate nostalgiafags so much the AAA industry has been dipping since the 6th gen at best

>>719700023
astroturfed bullshit always wins the awards so you're probably right

>>719699695 (OP)
Every 2D game ever released can be considered a "Flash game"

>>719721304
And OP is talking about gens 4, 5, and 6

>>719721957
AAA gaming was better when it was majority "flash game" tier unironically

Uh oh, are we going to get an uptick in Kino Obscur cope & seethe now that Skongfags aren't getting GOTY?

>>719722018
if he was power to him I've just gotten way too used to people saying that shit and meaning "uhhh the unimaginative AAAslop I played as a kid was great actually what do you mean it's just nostalgia"

>>719699695 (OP)
gaming is better now than it has been for 20-30 years because there's more actually creative and driven shit like Cave Story actually, GTA6 is coming out soon if you need garbage to gawk at for le realism and le cinema

>>719722553
Nah

>>719722193
>are we going to get an uptick in Kino Obscur cope
Yeah probably

>>719722193
nobody expected Silksong to ever be GOTY, quit trying to start flame wars where they don't exist you miserable faggot

>>719701909
Are Cupheadfags the Metalslugfiags of 2D hand drawn games

>>719722936
>nobody expected Silksong to ever be GOTY
Literally where have you been? People have been saying since e33 came out it is going to be between SS and e33

>>719702107
I agree but silksong's environments are a serious step up

>>719701721
its embarassing that tendies think that game is relevant

>>719699695 (OP)
The E33 saars are really losing their minds over this.

>>719700220
retard with awful taste

>>719701756
the awards always go to the most astroturfed shit ever; did you know a single person who unironically thought astrobot deserved it last year?

>muh graphix
Shut the fuck up retard.

Imagine playing 2d platformers in current year and thinking you are some avant-garde vidya connoisseur, lmao

>>719723069
nobody knew silksong was coming this year when e33 came out you fucktard. people had been saying ds2 until silksong announcement when more people are seething about people supposedly claiming it will be goty than people that are actually claiming it will be

>>719703939
Non-stop PajeetSoft shilling would do that to any game.

>>719723425
Silksong release date wasn't set in stone but they announced the upcoming releases like a year ago sir.

>>719723326
>>719723504
>>719723202
>>719703656
Is E33 the most hated flop of gaming? Such a roastable trashes...

Hornet on her way to sting my ass for getting too close to her home (it's 30ft away)

>Wanna beat Godhome one last time before silksong
>Spend half the day practicing pure vessel/absolute radiance to prepare
>job to sisters of battle
Goddamnit

>The game releases at 4pm here so it coincides with people getting home from work/school
The game is anti neet and therefore sucks, just release when it strikes midnight of the 4th

I'm kinda hoping it gets delayed again. I want them to keep giving release dates and then swiping it right out from under you guys. I've gotten so used to waiting I don't care if it ever comes out just knowing its sitting there quietly in the background as people slowly lose their minds is fun enough for me.

>>719699695 (OP)
I had a dream I was playing it last night. It had a co-op mode except player 2 played as Bowser Jr? It was weird

>>719700148
What are you Shigeru Miyamoto? Go force your innovation elsewhere.

>>719700148
fuck are you on about if anything flash games were all innovation and random creative ideas with too little content

>>719699803
AAA games were good when they had teams the size of indie game studios. When AAA games actually became AAA by the modern definition of the word they all went to complete shit. Every good game that has ever been made is an indie game in spirit and function.

>>719724450
gigabased

>>719723737
they had been saying that for years. it was not confirmed 2025 to the point that anyone actially believed it until very recently.

>>719700023
>watch a no commentary playthrough to see what the fuss is all about
>keep skipping ahead to find actual gameplay
>literally have to fast forward 2 HOURS to see any gameplay
>it's generic turn based slop
>inb4 bro it's an rpg of course it's slow the first 500 hours you are being unfair
Of course this is winning goty...

>>719724450
FF7 is one of the best games ever and cost 100M to make and market

>>719724770
uhh but you have to press button at good time to parry like in paper mario or something!!!!

>>719724842
>>719724770
E33 really is the most hated game of 2025...

>>719724770
>>719724842
/v/ confirmed hates everything about E33! Worse game 2025!

>>719724770
>>719723202
E33 has no fans on /v/ only haters. Good I hope it become most hated game of all time cos everyone shill it.

>>719720149
nta but SA had cars, motorcycles, bikes, motor boats, planes, a jetpack, full fledged licence courses for these, car modification, muscle/fat balance, pedestrians were commenting what you wear, you could go on a date and depending on your attire and body type you could be more/less attractive, you had coop missions, side burglary missions, train missions, dance minigames, gym minigames, and insane amount of customization, from t-shirts or trousers to haircuts, tattoos and gold chains. It was INSANE in 2005. Any person saying it wasn't impressive is a zoomer and was too young to play it.

shill having a melty lol

>>719725221
this is all content not mechanical depth

E33 shills finna crashed out LOLZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>719725323
For what it was trying to accomplish, it is

>>719700023
Silksongchad here. I approve of this.

>>719703939
>of all things
wdym? the exact same thing happened with BG3, that was even crazier because it had 10x amount of players so /v/ appeared 10x more contrarian then

>>719722193
What makes you say that? How can you be so sure?

>>719724770
>>719724842
>>719724989
>>719725069

There us no way you cannot convince this is not all just a single poster desperately trying to derail any positive discussion of Expedition 33 . Dunno if they are on the payroll of a major studio or just a desperate Nintendofag trying to cope with being unable to play it built this kinda if behavior is just pathetic really

>>719724770
>watch a no commentary playthrough
This is bait right ?
Otherwise please end your life.

>>719725941
Are you ESL? or are you simply pretending to not be able to see that it's the e33 turboshill sperging out after a few people dragged his beloved slop?

>>719699695 (OP)
E33 trannys sweating

>>719721957
OP misused the term "flash" and has spent many posts trying to justify his misuse. "Flash" was defined by its cheap looking tween movement and vector based graphics. Flash games had a sharp sheen to it, because that's how vector graphics always look. But the tweening aspect encouraged people to use many shortcuts in animations. Resulting in a lot of puppet style animated characters. Or even objects that were animated frame by frame were still slide across the screen in a uncannily smooth way. or the objects were "enhanced" by little touches of scaling deformations to make it appear more bouncy. It all came together to create cheap looking uncanny visuals. That's the "flash" look.

>>719699695 (OP)
I feel you OP
Bought Hollow Knight long time ago, I was sure I'm installing something good for once, as it was already praised to hell and back. And it was... mid. I can't say anything about it. It's just very basic metroidvania but with Dark Souls twist and I guess that was in at the time. Nevertheless it bore me to tears.
>oh my dying world
>a lonesome hero that gives no shits but has to prevail
>oh noo, your enemies are infected bugs or insane knights
I mean, backgrounds are nice and the atmosphere is there, I guess, but it didn't click with me. I had 20+ hours in it still trying to find that "epic fun" everyone was telling me about. I guess it's another one of these games that are hyped up by youtubers and people who don't play games just believed them. Now that Silksong is coming out they finally can be a part of that zeitgeist so they're bandwagining with everybody. I'm expecting a similiar critique of the game just like Elden Ring - normies jumped into it and were angry the difficulty was too high, not expecting a Dark Souls game but open-world Skyrimlike.

>>719725132
I avoided it because it was shilled so much but then had some friends recommend it, so I caved.

It is actually really good. It's like a late 90s early 2000s jrpg, which might have gotten drowned out back then, but releasing something like that now is actually novel. It also helps that it has some good tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r2iKZ1NWTU&ab_channel=JungTutis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjiyzoII06I&list=RDjjiyzoII06I&start_radio=1&ab_channel=SandfallInteractive

if not goty it should have ost of the year locked in

>make 2d pixel game
>/v/: pixelshit!
>make 2d non-pixel game
>/v/: flash game!
You just can't win with 2d, can you

>>719726052
Niggas is dessprit.

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004 and not San Andreas, Half-Life 2, MGS3, etc, it only shows how bad things have gotten

idk about that.
if anything it shows how much marketing and hype plays into "GOTY" talks.
what makes GTA San Andreas inherently a better game than Cave Story?
On replay, the main draw for GTA games is the worldbuilding and lighthearted spoofing of real world in a funny way. If you dissect the gameplay its very shallow, the devs are motivating the player via story rather than gameplay.
Thats great and everything because they do it fairly well, but I don't necessarily think that puts it above Cave Story no questions asked.

>>719727616
>what makes GTA San Andreas inherently a better game than Cave Story?
Zoomers are fucking wild man

>>719727562
/v/ hates fun and they're exactly like the normies they decry

>>719727562
very few do true traditional animation. few also do well done pixel art too. silk song at least looks less flash animated than 9sol

>>719728015
nine sols is the epitome of sovl, which is weird since it was made by bugmen

>>719728089
having an actual story helps

>>719700312
one of the few smartest people in the thread.

>>719727616
Cave Story is just a shallow matroidlike run 'n gun, I can't believe anyone would hold it in a high regard.

>>719727669
not them but gta kinda sucks as a series in general and is the predecessor to the fortnite slop we have now

>>719723805
>flop
>60k+ positive reviews

>>719729290
Holy shit stop embarrassing yourself further

>>719699695 (OP)
>2D Flash tier
>That's kind of sad
You have absolutely no taste if you think flash games were somehow a bad thing

>>719729818
wait you actually like those games? LMAO!

>>719727669
zillenial nostalgiasloppers are fucking wild man

>>719730038
GTA series is objectively better than cave story
yes, even first and second
yes, even GTA V
yes, even GTA Advance

>>719730038
>>719730945
Stop letting the fact you're terminally online shape your worldviews

>>719731117
I just play good games sorry

>>719731152
Contrarianism is not a replacement for a personality or opinions

>>719731037
>yes, even first and second
those are the best ones

>>719699695 (OP)
>>719700023
I hope Black Ops 6 wins GOTY just so you both will mald and cope

>>719731218
I've played gta and it's boring, cave story is the better game in any way that matters

>>719731430
I played Cave Story too, I found nothing particularly interesting in there. I was forcing myself to finish it but hopefully game was very short

>>719700023
>All these seethes in the replies
It's time to stop painting.

>>719699695 (OP)
>uhhh hmm hmmmm... but the grafix...?

>>719735108
So many ESLs ITT

>>719735160
What the hell made your mind immediately jump to non-english speakers? Did you get molested at a gas station or something?

>>719699695 (OP)
>could you imagine if a 2d flash game was people's goty
no, I cannot imagine a world so based

>>719735206
The fact that you couldn't comprehend the topic being discussed

>>719705009
la mulana 1 is way harder than 2. in puzzles AND platforming/traps
that being said, I much prefer the sequel

>>719710787
yeah take any random year 20 years ago 2005.


still had DMC 3, god of war, resident evil 4, battlefield 2, shadows of the colossus....

all gener defining games.

For every Silk thread that archives, create two in it's place.
Total Silkcatalog

being uninterested in realistically styled 3d games is pretty alienating huh

>>719700929
Unless you're able to fly, you're still moving in 2d in most other gotys

>>719737757
You are a zoomer so you don't have a meaningful frame of reference, you think the only visual two styles that exist are babby's first pixelshit and AAAA facehair horse balls realism

>>719699695 (OP)
Goty is gonna be Tears of the Kingdom for the Switch 2.

Lads, I'm ready

>>719739073
nah there are plenty of high fidelity games I enjoy and there's loads of bad looking pixel indies with mixelshit and the like, things striving towards realism just don't visually interest me and I tend towards 2d games

>>719739465
You completely missed the point of the post

>>719739694
yeah sure 3d realism can still be stylized that doesn't change that I don't find it appealing

>>719699695 (OP)
It's mechanically excellent fag. I don't give a fuck what it looks like

>>719723887
For me it's sly, zote and Markoth. Absrad and everything else became easy in comparison. Sometimes the big gattling bees are problematic too

Predict the peak concurrent player count on Steam for Silksong.

>>719699695 (OP)
I really just don't get it. I've tried HK 3 times, it's boring dogshit.

>>719702356
yeah it really did
I don't think you can point to another game that has so thoroughly dominated it's genre than Slay the Spire. I don't even like deckbuilders but every single one I've tried is just bad when you put it next to StS. The name is synonymous with the genre at this point.

>>719742873
300000 during the first few hours
60000 during the first week
12000 during the first month
600 for the rest

>>719744918
The first act of Inscryption was immeasurably better though

>>719739154
I hope not I dropped that game

>>719745034
doesn't have legs and gets boring after you do it a few times, plus the other acts are not good.

>>719745119
It doesn't need to have legs, the deckbuilding concept is very shallow at its core so extracting actual unique substantial enjoyment on the first few runs is enough, trying to turn it into some infinite Solitaire-like timewaster is stupid

>>719699695 (OP)
>good 2D games being able to become popular is bad actually
If Cave Story was GOTY in 2004 it would have rightfully fucking deserved it, you uncultured swine

>goty
lmao

>>719745234
>trying to turn it into some infinite Solitaire-like timewaster is stupid
that's what slay the spire did, literally the whole point of the genre is to play it indefinitely
>deckbuilding concept is very shallow at its core
don't do this, every genre is shallow at its core, the execution is how you get depth

you also don't get to compare little slices of games to entire ones. You can do it if you want but it would be very stupid to do.

>>719745575
>that's what slay the spire did, literally the whole point of the genre is to play it indefinitely
Like I said, that's stupid

>don't do this, every genre is shallow at its core, the execution is how you get depth
And Inscryption's execution is a deckbuilder with depth (just not mechanical) while STS' execution is a mindless timewaster like Peggle

>>719745667
>>719745234
also when I say gets boring after a few times, I mean literally 3 times and then you get to play the even worse parts of the game
>STS' execution is a mindless timewaster like Peggle
k nevermind I thought I was talking to someone who actually played the game for more than an hour

>>719699695 (OP)
Reading HK threads made me realize none of you really care about the gameplay and all the charm comes from the story. There are a lot of chances the game ends up flopping because landing a good story is very hard. Not as hard as a good innovative gameplay though, the one HK will never get

>>719699695 (OP)
>incredible and innovative
>San Andreas
No GTA game has ever had anything but a good story going for it

>>719699784
Tbh cave story is better than all the games on OP example

>>719746082
It's not

>>719745779
Actual HK have pretty balanced discussion on both gameplay and story.

>>719699695 (OP)
cave story is unironically better than all those other games you listed

>>719699695 (OP)
>waaaahhh i hate fun

>>719746424
see >>719746120

>>719746513
It is.

>>719746638
No

>>719700023
This is a GOTY for Cannes or Eurovision or some.other queer congregation.

Worshipping indie games is reddit behavior. No, the 7/10 2D metroidvania or pixelart platformer you played is not a soulcrushing, bone-chilling, genre altering, expectation subverting work of art. It's just alright.

>>719699695 (OP)
>Imagine if something like Cave Story was a serious contender in 2004 and not San Andreas, Half-Life 2, MGS3, etc, it only shows how bad things have gotten
Imagine if games had not only stagnated for the past 10+ years but are getting worse in every technical aspect

>>719707014
I could probably do the Steel Heart achievements, but I HATE speed run achievements.

>>719700023
>UEslop

>>719745018
The peak will be in Saturday/Sunday

>>719718612
Space cat pussy

>>719745779
Pogging enemies and the environment is quite fun needless to say