Thread 719700654

How did Hollow Knight because such a success in a market full of indie 2D side-scrolling platformers?
I thought the market was saturated?

redditors just overestimate themselves
it's not that deep

>>719700654 (OP)
reddit was...right???

good game high production value

I guess luck, Hollow Knight was a 7/10 game if I'm being generous.

HK was pure reddit core though, without reddit it would've never been as successful

>>719700727
back before they went full demovaxxx

>Twitter screencap
Kill yourself

Why is this guy spamming his twitter posts here? Fuck off.

>>719700654 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHA I didn't know reddit was this based

>>719700654 (OP)
>the anti-HK shitposting comes from lost redditors that are still assblasted about being wrong
not surprised in the slightest

>>719700654 (OP)
>https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3tj0p4/last_year_my_best_friend_quit_his_full_time_job/
I dunno, a majority of the comments seem pretty positive.

>>719700654 (OP)
It had soul, something only Australians and Japanese can add to their own creation.

>>719700654 (OP)
>how did (good game) become a success
Hmm maybe the being good part?

SAR PLS POST IN MY THREAD SAR
I NEED RUPEES

>>719700654 (OP)
i genuinely don't know what's special about this game
it's probably just zoomers shilling the slop they grew up with

>>719700654 (OP)
It's an okay game. 6-7/10. The reason it's succeeding is because everything else around it is 4/10 at best.

>>719700654 (OP)

High production values and easy accessibility.

>>719701779
Name a 10/10 game in your opinion.

Not technically wrong. It sold 15m in 7 years and lot of those sales you got at half off and from a humble bundle. The game peaked at 20k on steam for a long time but now "first time" Hollow Knight players are now playing it at it's peaked at over triple that amount at 71k players. I think most people are carried by hype over actually being long time fans of the game.

Based redditors telling it how it is
Hollow Knight is utter dogshit
Normiecattle only like it because it's dark souls and metroid inspired
The two things that's currently a fad
Ten years from now no one will even remember this shit game

>>719700654 (OP)
>>How did Hollow Knight because such a success in a market full of indie 2D side-scrolling platformers?
I thought the market was saturated?

Ok to start with I don't actually like Hollow Knight I think its overrated but I understand why its been successful,

Competent Gameplay - its nothing special but isn't utter shit.

Artwork - Its a good looking game with great character designs

Story/World - The main reason why the game has been successful is that it did a great job of creating a world/characters that people found engaging thats why silksong has so much hype

To be fair to those gay redditors all they had at the time was a trailer which made it looks like a 2d platformer which it really isn't and its not possible to get that engaging world from a trailer

>>719702267
ROLLAN

>>719701779
I've never even seen a 4/10 game. Most games are 7-10/10

Why are there 5 rock solid twitter screencap threads on the board right now? Why are there 1 rock solid twitter threads? Why is my ip blocked from making threads without a captcha but this twitter screencap fag is able to post? Is the 4chan pass just letting people get away with murder of the board?

>>719700654 (OP)
It's a Metroidvania, and Metroidvanias do better than simple 2D platformers

Right now Metroidvanias are also fairly saturated but at the time Hollow Night came out it was a hot genre

>>719700654 (OP)
Stardew Valley got shit in the same way and it's like second or third now, only really behind Minecraft.

Mentally stable developers. Rare in the indie game world.

>>719702267
>52-54
what the fuck

>>719702319
>Metroidvanias do better than simple 2D platformers

anon mario wonder sold like 20 million at full price on one system

>>719703541
>flagship franchise of one of the biggest game companies on the planet sold well
How relevant

hollow knight won the lottery just like undertroon did, except I give hollow knight credit for being an actual game at least

>Metroidvania
This is the same as calling comics graphic novels. It's just a platformer.

>>719701316
>still assblasted about being wrong
qrd?

>>719703674
op image.

>>719700654 (OP)
Most of those games are not very good.

>>719700654 (OP)
They're right tho. HK sucked

>>719700654 (OP)
If you happen to be the best you win OP.

>>719703050
Lil bro got some.

>>719702267
Rollan.

>>719700654 (OP)
these have to be severely cherry picked cuz reddit is nothing but toxic positivity and 'wow i love ur game :) wishlisted, good luck sister' nonsense

>>719703624
>another anon on /v/ doesnt understand the concept of subgenres episode

>>719704060
99% of subreddits are echo chambers where you get immediately banned by some power tripping basement dweller the moment you say something slightly negative so yeah, using reddit for serious discussions is retarded

>>719700654 (OP)
Because it was super cheap..

>twitter screencap of a reddit screencap
kill yourself

Huh odd to see that, but why take snippets of people who were right. Just because Hollow Knight still made it, was in spite of it being a side scroller metroidvania, and not because it was a side scroller metroidvania.
And I bet that if I tracked down that thread, it would have a ton of positive comments as well, at the end of the day, you can do everything right, and your game might get buried in slop. Or you can get lucky, like HK did.

>>719702009
Not that anon, but there is no 10/10. Perfection is unattainable.

>>719700654 (OP)
marketing by paid influencers

>>719703674
check a mirror

>>719700654 (OP)
It "succeeded" by borderline giving the game away for free. It was a literal PSN+ game every Playstation user got handed to them.

>>719702043
Nigga the devs made like 50 million each from 15 million sales
Wtf

>>719702267
ROLLAN
LET'S GO BLUE HAIR JAILFU

>>719702043
>no you don't understand! just because it sold well enough for them to spend 7 years working without a care in silksong it doesnt mean it actually sold well!

>>719704849
See>>719704942
The ausniggers made AAA CEO bank

>>719704982
>druggie instead
Fug

They're not wrong though
I tried Hollow Knight when it came out on the switch back in 2018 and it was not very good, I don't understand the appeal of this game at all

>>719700654 (OP)
Few of those 2-D indies are 40hrs+ metroidvanias.

>>719705149
Quality > quantity

>>719705149
>More hours = better

>>719702223
>competent gameplay
The mantis lords are the best early into midgame transition boss in all of 2D gaming. An actual masterclass in giving the player a reasonable challenge and forcing them to become better at the game, but not a crushingly difficult difficulty spike. Also the music for the fight is great. It creates a memorable impression and hooks everyone who experiences it. The mantis lords share this early-mid transition boss title with Genichiro representing 3D games.

>>719702181
your post was almost based, but Tekken 8 is fucking ass

>>719700654 (OP)
Cool visuals, great music, good formula, you can even make builds.

>>719702267
>unauthorized necromancy
You can authorize that?

>>719701452
How so? The top comment is complaining about game bugs.

>>719700654 (OP)
dude made a quality game, simple as
don't like it? don't play it
everybody misses the chuds, nobody misses the troons

>>719702267
>raquel
>minor consuming alchoholic beverage
Why would she give alcohol to a minor?

>>719700654 (OP)
There are probably dozens of equally good 2D metroidvania platformers out there that just never hit the big time. They just never get picked up by streamers, creators, favored by the algorithm, etc. and integrate into the social media zeitgeist. HK also got really big in Japan and China, which isn’t that common for Western games.

I think it’s a fine game deserving of its success but I don’t think it’s substantially better than games like Nine Sols or Ori on any level to have achieved a greater degree of success that it did comparatively. But you either hit the jackpot or you don’t.

>>719702267
hit me

>>719706275
>There are probably dozens of equally good 2D metroidvania platformers out there that just never hit the big time
lol no there ain't, newgrounds proved it
>but success is only a matter ofluck
according to socialists and other losers, sure
that's why they always lose

>>719706384
Let's see anon's Lambo
It's entirely skill based to own one

>>719705809
I don't play fighting games I just like the girls in it

>>719700654 (OP)
>my friend
reddit doesn't allow self promotion, so was that actually him just shilling his game?

I tried HK and got bored after two hours. Everything felt like a chore and the atmosphere borrows heavily from Dark Souls which makes it dated. It’s well polished and the gameplay is smooth, guess it’s just not for me.

I got valdis story as a metroid in my lib, is it better than hk

>>719702267
Wait what

>>719700654 (OP)
Reddit -> Twitter -> 4chan
Have some self respect, please.

>>719705149
Few of those 2-D indies are as boring as trannoid knight

>>719700654 (OP)
pure luck, like all indie slop.

It's been pretty obvious for years now that Reddit is a largely a hivemind of very stupid, sanctimonious people who just posture all day.

>>719706275
HK is way better than nine sols. They’re also different genres anyways

>>719706458
filthy secondary

>>719700654 (OP)
honestly funny how those comments are the most 4chany I've ever seen redditors act

>>719700654 (OP)
>how
by being sold at $1.99

>>719701779
what's good, crunchy
inb4 he replies with "not hollow knight"

Hollow knight was the first actually high production values actually indie game. Great aesthetic, music, art, and even actually good bosses and world design. It was not only better than any other indie, it was better than most AA and AAA games of past and especially present. 2017 was a fucking glut of mediocrity. It wasn’t just that hollow knight was good. It was that it was obviously stand out in a field dominated by other titles simply going through the motions.

>>719700654 (OP)
e33 lost

>>719700718
Just like people here then.

>>719703624
ESL-chan...

>>719700654 (OP)
Hollow Knight is the most over hyped trash I've ever seen.
Normalfags truly are cattle drones that will eat any goyslop.

>>719707043
Now type it again without crying

4channers and redditors alike just want to be contrarians. This is always true. HK is a great game, it's really the full package.

>>719706275
Nine sols has better gameplay. It has weaker music and map design. The story of nine sols, specifically the presentation format of very long winded npc talks gatekeeping character stat items, is a mixed bag. I even patiently read through every bit of text and 100% the game and I didn't find the story or characters very compelling or endearing. It was just ok.

Ori is a fucking piece of shit franchise that doesn't even deserve to ever be remembered. Horrible games with nothing of value.

>>719707107
most of society is this
like how everyone is hyping up BF even though we all know its gonna bomb and be trash, t hey just want to stick it to COD for cartoony ass shit theyve been getting away with
or like hoow all the games industry is currently gacha and m obile shit but everyone pretends its not, a nd thinks some trash 20 dollar indie game matters at all when faggots paying 60 dollars for shark cards in gta 5 for 10 years straight

>>719707107
This, and that’s why reddit and 4chan think e33 is a good game when it’s obviously shit

>>719706989
2017 had good games but hollow knight was an early release so it was largely competing with 2016 which was hands down one of the worst years in gaming. Barely anything even released. Everything that did release was a sequel and one invariably worse than the previous game.

>>719706989
No it fucking wasn't.

>>719707428
Yes it was. The indies it was competing with were stuff like cave story, undertale, Minecraft, stardew valley also dropped about then. All great games. But you’re a moron if you don’t see the difference in production values between indies like that and hollow knight. We’re approaching nine years since hollow knight came out and it still has higher production values than the vast majority of indies. Looking good matters, and hollow knight looks really good. Sounds better.

A waste of bandwidth to illegally download this, in my expert opinion this sucks. fine, it's mid, 4/10.

>>719706989
>Great aesthetic, music, art, and even actually good bosses and world design
None of this is true btw, it just came out at a time when everything else was so much worse, it's actually a game designed with cutting corners in mind

Bastion was 6 years earlier and is still the high water mark for indie production quality and originality

>>719707717
Cave Story looks and sounds better than Hollow Knight you no-taste faggot.

>>719707717
You're delusional, HK looks like a low quality Flash game, doubly delusional since Cuphead exists and BTFOs everything else in the creative and production quality department

>>719707949
>bastion
>indie
>developed by Supergiant
>published by Warner bros

If you don’t understand why hollow knight is more impressive you’re just not a smart person.

>>719707717
Hollow Knight does not look good, it looks acceptable. Its soundtrack isn't great either, you people are impressed by the most generic strings ever.

>>719702267
Finally some substantive content in this shithole.
Rollin'!

>>719708059
Underage and retarded

>>719708010
Subjectively you can have that opinion. Unfortunately I’m talking about production values which hollow knight simply has more of.

>>719708139
Like I said. You’re just not a smart person.

>>719708164
Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2 were indie games. BG3 also counts, it was self-published.

>>719708217
Sorry for btfoing you, next time make sure you know what you're talking about before making retarded claims

don't quit your job to enter an extremely competitive, saturated field, is actually good advice. just because hollow knight was successful doesn't negate that.

>>719708241
Correct.

>>719708259
i don't see how some retarded idea that "it was indie briefly in development so it was still indie when WB got involved" is pertinent to anything, personally

>>719708259
There are two people who don’t like hollow knight. People who haven’t played it and morons. I suppose you fit both categories.

>people pushing 40 still trying to bait over hollow knight
sad times

>>719700654 (OP)
Hollow Knight is very mediocre, I honestly don't understand the praise.

>>719708241
Larian got money from Tencent.

>>719708526
Not for OS1 or OS2 they didn't.

>>719708353
Supergiant is also a freelance study that’s almost exclusively done work on major titles, has a bunch of cash flow from the founders, and also isn’t four random guys working from home. They have staff and a building. Bastion is great, but it’s comparing a A list game studio to four guys. Baldurs gate 3 is indie, so is Undertale, that’s not a fair comparison to make because Larian is not what most people mean when they say “indie”

>>719708059
>this game is better than all those AAAs
>wait but what about X? X is better
>well obviously it's better, that's an AA-UH...UHM..SXISTERS?!

>>719708556
The post included BG3.

>>719708569
Bastion is definitely not AA but Hollow Knight isn’t even A. Maybe it’s a

>>719708358
Give me ONE reason to like a Metroidvania that is straight up not fun for 10 hours.

>>719702267
I want to go on a joy ride with Juliana

>>719708692
Dunno, it’s why I didn’t play ori. Don’t see how that’s relevant though

>>719706625
Did he die?

>>719700654 (OP)
Memes

>>719702009
Ketsui Deathtiny

>>719700654 (OP)
Oh man, that market saturation dudes. Shadow Complex and uh....La-mulana? It never stood a chance.

>>719700654 (OP)
We should be asking why metroid dread sucked so much after an 19 year wait?

>>719700654 (OP)
Hollow Knight was a corporate plant. I own it like 3 times never have played it from shit like humble bundle and ps plus. If I've learned anything exposure for cheap to have mass market appeal then get normies with standard price once there is "hype" then release sequel to product 1

>>719709106
Axiom Verge. It was a very faithful vania but people kind of don’t still talk about it today for a reason.

>>719700654 (OP)
Instead we must trust anime posters on 4chan

>>719709491
and now mh is western tranny slop and on life support kek

>>719700654 (OP)
They have a point, there's so many dime a dozen Metroid clones in the indie scene, HK is just one that managed to hit big.

>>719709552
>heh... it took me a decade of doomposting...
>but at long last... MH only sold 8 million in 3 days... heh
>call me the mayor of vindication city

>Okay capcom, all you have to do is put a number in the game title so people will know its a main series game, you CAN count to 5 right?
WORLD!
>No a number
RISE
>A number
WILDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>719702267
rolling

Regardless of Hollow Knight's obvious success, it really is terrible advice to tell your friend to quit his job to make an indie metrovania.

>>719705737
>a reasonable challenge
But it's a trivially easy boss. All Hollow Knight bosses are.

>>719705737
No, I beat Mantis Lords with zero problems and it did absolutely fucking nothing for me. Found the music and the fight boring to the point where I started sandbagging by hitting to the music instead of whenever I actually could hit them. You have low standards, stop wanking this game.

>>719710223
We're not going to get bosses on the level of rabi ribi bosses. Raven Beak is as far as you're going to get.

>>719700727
back in the r/jailbait days reddit was based. there was even subreddits dedicated to racism towards each different race

>>719700654 (OP)
I now see a digital rainbow and just think of maggots.

>>719702267
rolland

>>719700654 (OP)
Those redditors were 100% honest and right lol, HK aesthetics are disgusting and the gameplay is actually quite basic, it's lorefaggotry that carries the game.

>>719700654 (OP)
can't imagine what it would be like when jon blow announces his game for release, indie devs would have to take a whole year of vacation.

>>719700654 (OP)
By being polished and not costing $40 like that owl game nobody remembers

>>719707153
>>719706275
nine sols is much better but it came after it and was heavily inspired by it.
I think the devs were calling it "hollow cat" in development.