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Anonymous No.719703187 >>719703475 >>719704940 >>719709123 >>719709786 >>719710828 >>719711098 >>719712923 >>719713207 >>719716173 >>719716249 >>719717207 >>719717737 >>719717863 >>719718189 >>719718785 >>719721471 >>719721974 >>719722393 >>719723698 >>719723948 >>719726689 >>719729634 >>719731548 >>719739035 >>719746369 >>719748092 >>719748628 >>719748659 >>719748953 >>719749493 >>719751226 >>719751620 >>719752213 >>719752264 >>719752913 >>719753025 >>719756572 >>719760572
Dawn of War
The trailer is so KINO; can't wait for it to cone out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAPm8fIy5mg
Anonymous No.719703249 >>719703280 >>719717858
trailer sucks actually
Anonymous No.719703280 >>719703373 >>719748628
>>719703249
You suck, actually.
Anonymous No.719703373 >>719705117
>>719703280
It really sucks tho. It's quality is weak and cartoony and it's pacing nonsensical.
Anonymous No.719703425 >>719703478 >>719704207 >>719705159 >>719711160 >>719759398 >>719760054
Where are Eldar?
Anonymous No.719703475
>>719703187 (OP)
Agreed, it looks pretty good.
Anonymous No.719703478
>>719703425
If the game sells well, it'll probably come out in an expansion.
Anonymous No.719703610 >>719703982 >>719704115 >>719709774 >>719712391 >>719715965 >>719721579
Yeah shame about:
1) Only 4 fucking races (lmao)
2) It looks laughably bad (worse than SC2 from 2010)
3) Mobile game interface
4) Made by guys whose last game from 5 years has steam reviews universally calling it shit
Anonymous No.719703982
>>719703610
>4 distinct factions
but that's a norm in any RTS with diverse factions
Anonymous No.719704115 >>719738060 >>719749149 >>719750687
>>719703610
>1) Only 4 fucking races (lmao)
DOW also began with 4, on release.
>2) It looks laughably bad (worse than SC2 from 2010)
It doesn't.
>3) Mobile game interface
You're bullshitting if you're saying that this looks like a mobile interface.
This is your adequate RTS interface.
>4)
Yeah it's a bit shite ngl, but I'll give them the benefit of doubt.
Anonymous No.719704207 >>719713717
>>719703425
>Where are the Eldar?
In a ditch. Relic's not making this so the new guys have no interest in continuing plots involving Relic's Eldar OCs when they've got stuff James Workshop likely wants put in instead.
Best hope DLC saves em.
Anonymous No.719704840 >>719709712 >>719714983
BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE!
Anonymous No.719704940 >>719731779
>>719703187 (OP)
I don't see anything to inspire confidence or excitement.
But also nothing that strongly evokes the opposite emotions.
I reserve judgement.
>t. DoW3 rememberer
Anonymous No.719705117
>>719703373
Do you want DoW 3 trailer instead?
Because that shit was ass too
Anonymous No.719705159
>>719703425
In the trash where they belong
Anonymous No.719707232
For me it's a great sign that it looks more like DoW1 than 2.
Anonymous No.719709123
>>719703187 (OP)
>primaris
shan't be buying.
Anonymous No.719709712
>>719704840
I’m surprised he became a meme when Retribution was such a third hand expac.
Anonymous No.719709774
>>719703610
begone retard doomposter
Anonymous No.719709786 >>719712342 >>719715762 >>719715796 >>719716802 >>719717086 >>719726707
>>719703187 (OP)
Less than 20 seconds in
Anonymous No.719710828
>>719703187 (OP)
DoW3 trailer shits all over this
Anonymous No.719711098 >>719715969
>>719703187 (OP)
No gameplay don't care. Also the new space marines (forget what they're called I don't follow the gayass lore) look gay as shit. Fucking generic lameass ironman shit.
Anonymous No.719711160 >>719711807 >>719714902 >>719749142
>>719703425
The Eldar are overused and I'm glad they're getting ignored this time, same with Chaos. It would be even better if they ditched the orcs, but redditors would cry if their meme faction wasn't included.
Anonymous No.719711807 >>719712242
>>719711160
>I'm sick of orks
>I'm sick of chaos
>I'm sick of eldar
>I'm sick of humans
Bro what the fuck faction do you even want then? Just nids negrons and the weeaboo fanfic faction?
Anonymous No.719712242
>>719711807
I never said that I was sick of humans. If I had my choice, the main factions would be space marines, imperial guard, some other human faction, and one random badguy faction for the humans to kill.
Anonymous No.719712342 >>719712690 >>719722492
>>719709786
>Chud complaining about a 20 year old character

Classic
Anonymous No.719712391
>>719703610
>1) Only 4 fucking races (lmao)
Most RTS release with 2 or 3 factions. 4 is good. So this is a retarded complaint.
Agree with the rest.
Anonymous No.719712690 >>719716034
>>719712342
he looks more like 50-60, but ok
Anonymous No.719712864
Give me one good reason why should I play this instead of Dark Crusade/Soulstorm
Anonymous No.719712923
>>719703187 (OP)
It looks like a mobile game. Something looks off.
Anonymous No.719713207 >>719713336
>>719703187 (OP)
>No eldar
>No tau
>No nids
>No chaos
Absolute trash game, call me when they put more factions
Anonymous No.719713336
>>719713207
Only gays like those factions I'm afraid
Anonymous No.719713717 >>719713954
>>719704207
That doesnt make sense since Cyrus is now a captain and Jonah shows up.

I more wanna see if they redesign Angelos so he doesnt look bad anymore or they keep the Tartaros design from 3
Anonymous No.719713731 >>719713813
I'm so fucking tired of Space Marines
Anonymous No.719713805
Anonymous No.719713813
>>719713731
You arent like other girls, Dawn of War is a Blood Raven game faggot cope the fact they are front and center again is massive
Anonymous No.719713954 >>719714117 >>719714181
>>719713717
Id imagine each of the OG DoW 2 guys are all captains now. Tarkus, Aramus, Thaddeus, Cyrus, and Jonah is head librarian while Diomedes is Master of Sanctity
Anonymous No.719714117
>>719713954
DoW 4 confirms Cyrus's fate. We still dont know where Tarkus, Aramus, or Thaddeus are but they are probably captains now
Anonymous No.719714174
>not dawn of war IIII
dropped
Anonymous No.719714181 >>719714694
>>719713954
Why did Diomedes down grade himself to a chaplain again?
Anonymous No.719714694
>>719714181
he regrets allowing corruption to spread when he was 1st captain. He took a very dont ask questions approach that led to the blood ravens nearly falling
Anonymous No.719714902
>>719711160
The only factions that should exist in a Dawn of War game are Space Marines, Imperial Guard, and Sisters of Battle.
Anonymous No.719714983
>>719704840
HELP ONIICHAN I'M STUCK!
Anonymous No.719715069 >>719715207 >>719715682 >>719716787 >>719751524
nah Eldar vs orks vs marines is the defacto kino 40k fighting this fandom is just so ass in its hatred of eldar
Anonymous No.719715207 >>719715502
>>719715069
Honestly, I'm just sick of Eldar in their entirety... They should just be replaced by Tau already....
Anonymous No.719715502 >>719715791
>>719715207
Warhammer fans are fucking midwits I am sick of all of you. It doesnt matter 4chan, reddit, youtube, fucking IRC you are simply all fucking midwits who ruin the setting
Anonymous No.719715682 >>719751524
>>719715069
People blame GW but for like 20 years its been anti eldar memes and propaganda so what do you expect in the end
Anonymous No.719715762 >>719716364
>>719709786
>Some kids browsing /v/ were not even born when Jonah was introduced in Chaos rising
Anonymous No.719715791
>>719715502
>you are all simply fucking midwits wou ruin the setting
>because you won't include my space elves in every facet of your life
Anonymous No.719715796 >>719723908 >>719748109
>>719709786
DON'T look up what skin color the Salamanders have
Anonymous No.719715918
Cool that they're reusing the DOW2 music
Anonymous No.719715965
>>719703610
>Only 4 fucking races
I love that this gets brought up in every thread from people who have clearly never played an RTS before
Anonymous No.719715969 >>719716201
>>719711098
>no gameplay
>last 40 seconds is nothing but recordings of ingame combat
I see you stopped watching before 60 seconds in.
Anonymous No.719715997
Anonymous No.719716031 >>719716114 >>719716374 >>719718763
The story will basically be them edging on the "Blood Ravens are Thousand Sons but keep it under lock and key"
Anonymous No.719716034
>>719712690
kek
Anonymous No.719716114 >>719716308 >>719716374 >>719717751
>>719716031
If the Chaos faction is Thousand Sons, I'll cum.
Anonymous No.719716171
>kino
Absolutely not. It's ok, but only DoW 3 trailer was pure KINO
Anonymous No.719716173 >>719716248
>>719703187 (OP)
I hope the trailer is inversely proportional to how goos the actual game is, because the one for DoW3 is fucking great
https://youtu.be/gN8geCTlZOo
Anonymous No.719716201
>>719715969
I did yeah because I don't care for cinematic trailers the purpose of which is nothing more than to generate hype based on brand recognition so I closed the tab.

Can't tell from this much footage if ut might be good but I'll maybe pick it up on a deep sale.
Anonymous No.719716248
>>719716173
That can't be the case because the DoW1 trailer is peak.
Anonymous No.719716249 >>719716971 >>719717893
>>719703187 (OP)
>No Tyranids on launch because animations that can't be copy-pasted to every unit would be too much effort
Lol, lmao.
The Nids are a hilarious litmus test for 40k game quality, they're one of the most important factions in the universe so their lack of appearance indicates laziness.
Anonymous No.719716308 >>719716374 >>719716441
>>719716114
It won't. It'll very likely be some random Chaos-Undivided warband, or even Khorne-aligned.
Anonymous No.719716364 >>719716535
>>719715762
glad it's johan returning and not that asshole toth from DoW1.
Anonymous No.719716374
>>719716031
>>719716114
>>719716308
I remember when we used to think they were loyalist Word Bearers but this fandom again only likes to back up certain head canons and ignore the rest
Anonymous No.719716441 >>719716981 >>719717263 >>719721974
>>719716308
Just realized, since DoW4 seems to be taking place on Kronus again, does that mean we'll get pariahs back?
Anonymous No.719716535 >>719716698 >>719717658
>>719716364
Toth is a bro hes the only reason the Blood Ravens werent labeled traitors. He trusts Angelos and what does Angelos do the minute he confirms the chapter is fucked

>Hey inquisition my chapter is turning to chaos can you test me and then help out
>Oh shit you are telling us the truth and arent hiding it?
>Yeah man ill help out ill send a hot babe in latex to assist you too

Man its like crazy if you dont hide shit and dont act paranoid over it people like you *COUGH DARK ANGELS COUGH*
Anonymous No.719716698 >>719725212
>>719716535
>*COUGH DARK ANGELS COUGH*
This post was made by F*llen hands.
Anonymous No.719716787
>>719715069
Dark Eldar > Craftworlders
Anonymous No.719716802
>>719709786
This. It's criminal that he's not in terminator-armour.
Anonymous No.719716971 >>719717076 >>719721974 >>719732312
>>719716249
Writing always picks one "main" villain faction as the focus of the plot, then throw in orkz because they need a meatshield to kill while building up the story.
They chose Necrons as the main "villain" faction this time, and I'm ok with that. Necrons have a cool aesthetic and not beaten to death like chaos.
If we go by DoW usual multi-expansion model, first DLC expansion will add chaos and eldar because muh chaos and eldar and it's inevitable. 'Nids would be in the second DLC most likely if at all.
Anonymous No.719716981
>>719716441
That's pretty likely, yeah.
That would be neat.
Anonymous No.719717076 >>719717757
>>719716971
This isn't the early 2000's anymore though, I'm not buying a game with 4 factions if I can boot up DoW 1 and get a shitload more, or DoW2 and play the nids.
I guess they just want to lose money, that's fine, I'll buy the game at 90% discount when the studio shuts down.
Anonymous No.719717086
>>719709786
I really don't like the new look for librarians. too world of warcraft lookin
Anonymous No.719717207 >>719717537
>>719703187 (OP)

The trailer CG looks worse than the CG from the first DOW intro.
Anonymous No.719717263 >>719717389 >>719717676 >>719725492
>>719716441
Unless GW changed their minds again, I believe those where recon out of existence
Anonymous No.719717389
>>719717263
They're GOAT and turning people into Necron abominations is cool. Though you're right; I have zero faith in GW so they wouldn't do something cool like bring back Pariahs.
Anonymous No.719717537
>>719717207
We will never again feel like we did seeing this for the first time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkFo5SBx-g
Anonymous No.719717658 >>719717828
>>719716535
>if you don't hide shit and dont act paranoid over it people like you
Toth came in hiding everything and being a paranoid shit because he thought the blood ravens had been corrupted and Gabriel was the one turned to chaos. It wasn't until Isador turned that he fessed up, something that could have been prevented if he'd accused Gabriel from the get go instead of pussyfooting around trying to get them to leave Isador might have been discovered before he turned.
Anonymous No.719717676
>>719717263
Isn’t Szeras experimenting on kidnapped Culexus as an implied way for GW to bring Pariahs back?
Anonymous No.719717737
>>719703187 (OP)
Trailer for DoW 3 was really good and yet the game was watered down moba crap. The only good thing about it was the soundtrack. I'll check the soundtrack for this one on youtube, other than that I don't really have any hope.
Anonymous No.719717751 >>719717843
>>719716114
If it's Emperors Children, you'll definitely cum
Anonymous No.719717757 >>719717873
>>719717076
I mean you just want to play nids. Nothing wrong with that.
I personally find them a boring race with no personality and generic alien look. We all have tastes.
Anonymous No.719717796 >>719744496
Anonymous No.719717828
>>719717658
Re-think your idea of having Toth accuse Gabriel in front of his entire Chapter as well as the Imperial Guard stationed on the planet of being a heretic during an Ork infestation, and then come back to the thread.
Anonymous No.719717843
>>719717751
Prostate orgasms via anilingus is heretical.
Anonymous No.719717858
>>719703249
im just gonna hope that the kinoness of the trailer is inversely proportionate to the quality of the game, like with DoW3.
Anonymous No.719717863
>>719703187 (OP)
They should only make imperium factions
Anonymous No.719717873 >>719717984
>>719717757
I mean I also want to play Imperial Guard, which of course also isn't in DoW4 for some dumbshit reason.
I will enjoy watching their staff get laid off, and the studio shut down.
All they had to do was make unique animations for different races but that was too difficult, so no nids.
Anonymous No.719717893 >>719718002 >>719718104 >>719718210
>>719716249
Nids suck ass in a narrative story where the "villains" also need to have some personality or objective.
Anonymous No.719717984 >>719718058
>>719717873
You do know that every faction will be made for the game and sold as DLC following DoW1's expansion model (even though that was done due to budget, time, and memory constraints, none of which are a problem in ), right?
Anonymous No.719718002 >>719718973
>>719717893
They want to eat everything and are converging on the emperor.
They're also trying to fuck up Chaos for some reason.
Also this might sound like a shock to you but Hive Tyrants have personalities.
Anonymous No.719718048 >>719718153
Very organic thread
Anonymous No.719718058
>>719717984
Lol, I hope you get fired first, shill. At least get your manager to give you a bonus before you lose your job.
Anonymous No.719718104 >>719718253
>>719717893
They're also redundant with the orks
>hurr durr just gather your bugs (orks) around your hive tyrant (warboss) to get huge passive aura abilities while using your DISTRACTION CARNIFEX (squiggoth) to absorb enemy fire
Anonymous No.719718153
>>719718048
If you want an organic thread, just go here >>719656324
Anonymous No.719718170 >>719718259
Personally I would prefer Genestealers to Nids as a campaign antagonist with the travel of the β€œStar Children” as the big third act twist, late game threat.
Anonymous No.719718189
>>719703187 (OP)
>FOR DIVERSITY
Everytime.
Anonymous No.719718210
>>719717893
The only Narrative the Non-Imperium factions need is "Wants to Kill Humanity". Nids are fine. Cradtworlders and Tau are big wastes of time.
Anonymous No.719718253 >>719718341
>>719718104
Orks and nids play different though.
Boyz>Gaunts generally in power
Warriors>Nobs
Nids have a whole bunch of weird monsters and burrowing creatures.
Orks have a whole bunch of vehicles and specialist units.
Plus Orkz are a more comedic faction relative to the far more serious and unfeeling nids.
Anonymous No.719718259
>>719718170
>travel
*reveal
Anonymous No.719718341 >>719718439
>>719718253
Orks and bugs play about as differently as generic SMs and Space Wolves. Sure, they're "different", but actually not really.
Anonymous No.719718434
Anonymous No.719718439 >>719718476
>>719718341
No they play about the same as Orkz vs Imperial Guard.
Yeah there's some overlap but who gives a shit?
Anonymous No.719718476 >>719718525
>>719718439
You gave enough of a shit to reply, faggot.
Anonymous No.719718525
>>719718476
And so did you I suppose, nigger.
Anonymous No.719718546
I want IG.
Anonymous No.719718763 >>719720561
>>719716031
Blood Ravens being TSons loyalists doesn't make sense considering you never see psykers outside of Isador, Kyras and Jonah.

If James Workshop wanted them to be loyalists of some traitor legion they should have been Luna Wolves or Word Bearer remnants.

Even better if they're just confirmed to be chimeric Dark Angels/Raven Guard/Blood Angels.
Anonymous No.719718781 >>719718832
>four races
lol they're going to abandon this without adding the rest
Anonymous No.719718785 >>719718948
>>719703187 (OP)
is there any reason to play the original DoW instead of the remaster?
Anonymous No.719718832
>>719718781
>Makes game shit on purpose
>Flops
>Lol I guess nobody likes X franchise anymore!
>Reboots it 15 years later
Anonymous No.719718937 >>719720026
>I can't wait to get the chance to buy my favorite factions as dlc!!!
Anonymous No.719718948 >>719719025
>>719718785
It has more mods and you aren't buttfucked into play Soulstorm all of the day since you can load up Dark Crusade if you want to.
Anonymous No.719718973 >>719719089
>>719718002
Personality is the wrong term. It's more like "preferred hunting strategy". Like how pods of Orcas each specialize in particular prey.
Anonymous No.719719025 >>719719320 >>719737893
>>719718948
Something about Soulstorm's balance feels insanely off to me. Necron feel shit to play as compared to Dark Crusade.
Anonymous No.719719089 >>719719554
>>719718973
Nah they have personalities, grudges, all that shit.
But they're localised to each hive tendril.
Swarm Lord being the big chungus he is gets to spawn anywhere he wants at any time.
Anonymous No.719719320 >>719719417
>>719719025
Use Redux
https://www.moddb.com/mods/eranthis-project

For Necrons specifically:
>adds Deathmarks and Skorpekh
>doesn't add Arks so the ground units stay balanced
>makes it significantly more difficult to start Necrons but once they start snowballing it's over
>Immortals rape everything

>adds voice lines for every unit...
Anonymous No.719719417
>>719719320
Oh neat! I'll keep an eye out. Waiting for mods to get ported to DE is just as painful as waiting for most of my favorite nation mods to get ported from Dominions 5 to 6. Gonna take a couple years but I'm sure by then it'll be super worth it.
Anonymous No.719719554
>>719719089
When has a Hive Tyrant ever displayed personality? Grudges amount to particular memories of certain threats and potential solutions to kill them.
Anonymous No.719719875 >>719719995
The Hive Mind is sentient and intelligent in ways that aren't conceivable by any of the other factions in the Milky Way. The closest approximation is how every factioned Daemon is a piece of their associated God, but even that only barely touches how the Hive Mind functions. An Eldar once beheld the entire breadth of the Hive Mind and she theorized that it was strong enough to blot out the Chaos Gods, right before it mindfucked her.
Nids DO have personalities, they just don't express them to other races because why should they? Everyone else is biomass to be consumed.
Anonymous No.719719995 >>719720123
>>719719875
It's the Maw, Got it
Anonymous No.719720026
>>719718937
But Admech comes with the base game

who needs anything else?
Anonymous No.719720123
>>719719995
What if the Maw is a crashed Bio-Ship?
Anonymous No.719720561 >>719721272
>>719718763
>considering you never see psykers outside of Isador, Kyras and Jonah.
Though the Chapter is mentioned as having a disproportionate amount of psykers.
Anonymous No.719720664 >>719721165
Anonymous No.719720745
Battlesector has been fun
Anonymous No.719721165
>>719720664
AdMech replacing Eldar already makes DoW4 pretty alright.
Anonymous No.719721264 >>719721319 >>719721361
Dawn of War II is ultra kino.
Anonymous No.719721272 >>719721632 >>719752913
>>719720561
delete this /v/ has always thought they were word bearers
Anonymous No.719721319 >>719721392
>>719721264
Anonymous No.719721361
>>719721264
Only the Orks campaign, everything else is poopoo stinky.
>"MISTAH NAILBRAIN, DEE-DEE-OH-ESS DERE FORE-CHAN SURVAHS!!!"
>"On it, Kaptin!"
Anonymous No.719721392 >>719721465
>>719721319
Anonymous No.719721465 >>719721551
>>719721392

Shame I can't find any press kit/ fan site kit anywhere, with proper wallpaper or key art pack.
Anonymous No.719721471
>>719703187 (OP)
I dont care about fags from the second game
Anonymous No.719721551
>>719721465
Anonymous No.719721579 >>719721668
>>719703610
>Only 4 fucking races
Most RTS launch with 2 or 3 though. non-issue.
>Worse looking than SC2
Lol
I won't even read the rest.
Anonymous No.719721632
>>719721272
Well, /v/ is stupid if they think that they're secretly Word Bearers.
People keep forgetting that, before Gabriel Angelos, all BR Chapter Masters also shared the role of Chief Librarian.
Anonymous No.719721668 >>719721854 >>719722068 >>719722263 >>719722513 >>719725497 >>719747581
>>719721579
>Most RTS launch with 2 or 3 though. non-issue.
Which ones? A fucking StarCraft game? Get lost.
It's embarrassing for a strategy in this universe.

You sucking up any shit is an issue.
Anonymous No.719721854 >>719721912 >>719722227
>>719721668
Thanks for confirming you're a tourist.
Anonymous No.719721912
>>719721854
*your
Anonymous No.719721974 >>719722068 >>719722440
>>719703187 (OP)
>Ayo we wuz StarCraft 2 n shiet!!
Hahaha looks like a cartoon. Couldn’t they have just a DoW1 game system, but with DoW2 graphics?

DoW3 literally could’ve worked if you can zoom the camera out some more, at least they fixed that mistake for 4.

>>719716441
It should be the core theme of those Necrons in campaign. Pariahs are an interesting concept even if it breaks the core theme of Necrons.
>>719716971
Necrons were supposed to be in DoW3, but that game’s roadmap got shuttered.
Anonymous No.719722068 >>719722327 >>719723062
>>719721668
>>719721974
>If I say Starcraft eveytime it'll work! It's the only RTS I know!
Anonymous No.719722227 >>719722351 >>719722394 >>719722446 >>719722501 >>719727427 >>719730915
>>719721854
I'm not whoever you're thinking I am, fucktard.
You can't answer a simple quesiton?
Which RTS games start with 2-3, and how does that make them 'most' of the releases?

You stupid-ass fuck simpletons are the reason this genre, and the industry, does to shit.
Check up Age of Empires/Mythology, Empire Earth, Cossacks, Company of Heroes, Total War etc. and educate yourself.
Anonymous No.719722263
>>719721668
What RTS games are you pretending to compare this to that come out with more than four factions of completely unique rosters
Anonymous No.719722327 >>719722501 >>719752998
>>719722068
Which ones, show me the data, you stupid fuck.

I bet you're an american, typical ignorance, arrogance and the scent of brown, fat skin that's radiating from posts.
Anonymous No.719722351 >>719729474
>>719722227
>Games where every faction shares the same units
come on, dude
Anonymous No.719722393
>>719703187 (OP)
>The trailer is so KINO
No, it isn't. They've got the usual fucking paper marines who are nothing but StarCraft-tier cannon fodder.
Anonymous No.719722394
>>719722227
Anonymous No.719722440
>>719721974
>even if it breaks the core theme of Necrons.
It's more controversial with modern 'crons, but considering how Kronus' Necrons are more aligned with old-school Necron and the fact they were the only speaking roles the Necron had, I think an exception could be made. In-lore explanation being that the Kronus Necron are dedicated toward anti-psyker/Warp bullshit and due to the destruction of their Blackstone Obelisks that were conveniently destroyed a long time ago prior to DoW1, the Kronus dynasty has to resort to continued experimentation due to the prolonged Chaos threat in the system.
Anonymous No.719722446 >>719722612 >>719722673
>>719722227
And why is Company of Heroes in there, that launched with TWO factions
Anonymous No.719722458
DoW2 sucked ass. Moba tier garbage.
Anonymous No.719722492 >>719722769
>>719712342
I was complaining about him back when the game first came out. Token negroes and excessive political correctness aren't new things.
Anonymous No.719722501
>>719722227
>>719722327
Not the same dude at all ;^)
Anonymous No.719722513
>>719721668
In general games in series of
Command and Conquer
Starcraft
Warcraft
Homeworld
Age of Mythology
Company of Heroes
Stronghold Legends
Rise of Legends
Mark of Chaos
I can go on endlessly. 2-3 is standard, 4 is an upper limit. Anything beyond and factions are just lazy barely different reskins of each other like in AoE. You have to be completely ignorant of RTS and not play them at all to claim otherwise
Anonymous No.719722516
so is the remaster worth 20 bucks?
Anonymous No.719722574
ShartCraft fanbase is the worst.
Anonymous No.719722612
>>719722446
he doesn't know what he is talking about
Anonymous No.719722673 >>719722948
>>719722446
>Company of Heroes
>2 factions
WW2 had only 3 factions, so what do you expect? The only countries that mattered were Russia, Germany and USA.
>UUWAAAAAAAA I CAN'T PLAY AS MY FAVORITE ITALIAN PASTAFASOOL REGIMENT THAT CONSISTS OF AN ARMORED TRACTOR AND 3 HORSES
Anonymous No.719722721 >>719731960
I've been playing through the other DoW titles campaigns and I'm up to DoW2 Chaos Rising (importing my max level original DoW2 squad). The question is what sort of builds are worthwhile? Or a guild somewhere discussing them So far I have , if from memory but not entirely accurate
>Force Commander
Maximum HP and Melee, a little bit of Energy sufficient to get multiple uses of orbital cannons
>Tarkus
Maximum HP or closed to it , Ranged to a point, some into Energy
>Avitus
Maximum Ranged, HP sufficient to get Terminator armor, Energy
>Cyrus
Tiny bit of HP to let him get the full-speed cloak walk, Maximum ranged, melee up until it gives him the stun-grenade every time he cloaks or decloaks, 3/4 Energy to let him use items while invisible
>Thaddeus
HP Maxed or close to it so he survives, Melee maxed for terminator honors and because he's generally built for it, a little into Energy just for a new Accessory
>Dreadnought
HP to max to get the regeneration/repair ability, Energy to Venerable, Max Ranged, Melee to the stun fistpound

Though with the new Chaos Rising larger trees, I hear all kinds of other stuff. It looks like I get a free respec for each char, but maybe I'll hold that until I max them out with a few more levels . There aren't many breakdowns of guides or builds like there seemed to be for the base game.
Anonymous No.719722769
>>719722492
What's politically correct about that Character?
Anonymous No.719722829
I just hope this game lives long enough to give me the Tau.
Anonymous No.719722948
>>719722673
Damn, those goalposts are just flying through the Warp
Anonymous No.719723062 >>719723130 >>719723439
>>719722068
I use Starcraft because they intentionally made their game resemble it.
Like DoW3, they’re still trying to wedge themselves into the esports scene.
I would’ve preferred the developer taking queues from Supreme Commander instead of Total War and StarCraft.

It still looks promising, but the uncanny animations is kind of distracting honestly.
Anonymous No.719723130 >>719723236
>>719723062
Get better material.
Anonymous No.719723236
>>719723130
Sourgrapes
Anonymous No.719723439 >>719723519 >>719723936
>>719723062
It literally doesn't at all look like Starcraft, which is completely contrary to Total War anyway. How the fuck do you see both at once in there?
And devs openly said and went 180 degrees with their stance on a competitive scene, explicitly contrary to DoW3. For one, all melee combat animations are now synced.
Anonymous No.719723519
>>719723439
>Replying seriously to shitty bait
Anonymous No.719723698 >>719723830 >>719723837 >>719723864
>>719703187 (OP)
Necrons are simply the best xenos
Anonymous No.719723830
>>719723698
Trazyn, my beloved...
Anonymous No.719723837
>>719723698
theyre not even xenos though, they robots
Anonymous No.719723864 >>719724907
>>719723698
I Like Rak'Gol
Anonymous No.719723908
>>719715796
Ashy black/grey because they live on a molten volcanic rock. They're not Congo black no matter how much Reddit says they are.
Anonymous No.719723936
>>719723439
>UI resembles TW
>cartoonish and fluid animations resemble Starcraft.
If they don’t have the gookstepping micromanagement like SC has, I’ll happily eat crow.
Anonymous No.719723948 >>719723998 >>719724495 >>719724627 >>719725358
>>719703187 (OP)
>the admech and necron leaders will be women
Anonymous No.719723998 >>719724073
>>719723948
Hot. Post rule34
Anonymous No.719724073 >>719724604
>>719723998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tKuyNq59w
Anonymous No.719724495
>>719723948
>Toaster bumping intensifies
Anonymous No.719724604 >>719724962
>>719724073
Lolicron my beloved
Anonymous No.719724627 >>719724813
>>719723948
>Necron women miss giving birth and are horny all the time with no way to escape it.
hot
Anonymous No.719724813
>>719724627
>CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG
Anonymous No.719724907 >>719725561
>>719723864
their lore is terrifying and their ships look cool, shame gw does nothing with them
Anonymous No.719724962 >>719725167
>>719724604
>is illegal to look at on Hive World Texas
SHE'S TOO STRONG
Anonymous No.719725167 >>719725487
>>719724962
I always wondered what happened to the Necron children. They went through the biofurnaces too, but there's no way they'd come out the same height as an adult Necron, right? Surely there's a shitload of loli crons in some corner of every tombworld napping waiting for the kill orders. That or they just strap explosives to them and have them hug oniichans before exploding.
Anonymous No.719725212
>>719716698
Try and catch me suckers
Anonymous No.719725358 >>719725439 >>719725487
>>719723948
this is what necron women look like by the way
Anonymous No.719725439 >>719725487 >>719726329 >>719726928
>>719725358
and this is what admech women look like
Anonymous No.719725487
>>719725167
They're the same height because biotransference is literally moving the soul into a pre-manufactured robot. The Necrons all look the same because the Necrontyr used mostly the same models. Children affected during the transfer were just put into adult-sized bodies.

ABSOLUTELY there's TENS of MILLIONS of Necron children safely tucked away on a secret Tomb World!

>>719725358
>>719725439
Not if you have a 3D printer and some Blender know-how.
Anonymous No.719725492 >>719725708
>>719717263
Why would GW get rid of a nice bit of lore like that?
Anonymous No.719725497 >>719729151
>>719721668
ya fuckin cretin
Anonymous No.719725561 >>719725809 >>719725869
>>719724907
GW is forced to go hard into subfactions and new factions so they have their chance, despite being RPG stuff. But next factions will be either Exodites or Lost and the Damned first and then other second, before they have to start digging in stuff like this.
Rak'Gol and other minor Xenos have the best chance at getting in when GW makes some unaligned Xeno mercs factions as a counterpart to Imperial Agents. This would make sense the most alongside 2nd Kroot wave and after Court of the Archon Kill Team happens
Anonymous No.719725708 >>719725836 >>719727568
>>719725492
Necrons had their lore buttfucked in 5e. Since humanity didn't exist when the Necrontyr were a thing, the Necrons never prepared humanity to be fused with living metal using what's called a "Pariah Gene". No Gene means no Pariahs, according to GeeDubs.
Anonymous No.719725809
>>719725561
GW can't even make squats interesting. There's no hope for Rak'Gol.
Anonymous No.719725836 >>719725914
>>719725708
Ironically the Pariah gene does still exist, it's what causes Blanks, but this is now only applied for Imperium-centered plots like the Sister of Silence and Culexus temple.
Anonymous No.719725869 >>719726292
>>719725561
>But next factions will be either Exodites or Lost and the Damned first
*blocks your path*
Anonymous No.719725914 >>719726484
>>719725836
>Sisters of Silence
You mean female Custodes, right?
Anonymous No.719726292 >>719730469 >>719749012
>>719725869
Dark Admech makes sense to merge with Lost and the Damned, in order to separate them further from being just Admech with spikes and Guard spikes. I do not believe Dark Admech will be a faction on it's own. Faction diversity is important for GW, which is why they do everything they can for CSM to not be a reskin of SM anymore.
Anonymous No.719726329
>>719725439
I mean the one on the right is fuckable at leat.
Anonymous No.719726484
>>719725914
No, actual Sisters of Silence, the subgroup GW tried hard to shill only to fail because Custodes aren't a popular faction.
Anonymous No.719726689 >>719727007
>>719703187 (OP)
Cautious. DoW3 was where Relic shit the bed. Let's analyze
>different company, Iron Harvest devs
That game was mid, so this could go either way. Best case, they take lessons learned from mistakes made in Iron Harvest
>4 races, spess muhreens, orkz, necrons, Admech
No Eldar or Chaos is refreshing, still have marines and orks to show you it's a 40k setting. I see IG but they're likely campaign only shit. If this doesn't immediately flop that's an easy DLC
>Cyrus with his original DoW2 VA
Good sign. any recurring characters might also get their old voice actors back, spitting in the face of DoW3 development saying they made them all Brits to be 'more authentic'. Gorgutz new VA there was still cool
>base building
I don't know why people make a big deal out of this. DoW2 didn't have base building and was pretty good, just not as good as 1. 3 had base building and sucked ass
>Last Stand game mode confirmed?
This is important. Barring good multiplayer PvP action, Dumb coop PvE gamemodes like this helps extend your activity beyond launch. Remember DoW2's mode had just TWO FUCKING MAPS, and a dedicated base played the shit out of them enough that two commanders were released to be paid with money, with generally positive reception
>Kronus
I guess they're trying to play it safe here, nostalgia baiting for Dark Crusade. I could also write every faction having a reason to be here
>Newcrons fly in, claiming raising the plugged up tomb, but the planet necrons are acting like Oldcrons, easy same faction fighting
>orks, Gorgutz crashes in just to WAAAGH here and try and win harder, since he lost fighting here the first time
>admech love stealing necron tech yes, but ingame Dark Crusade map fluff also repeatedly states there were explorators here multiple times looking for shit like STCs
>Blood Ravens probably kept their fort here, also probably keepin any incriminating relics they couldn't move secret. Otherwise, just here to be protags
cautiously optimistic
Anonymous No.719726707
>>719709786
...
Why is he not in TERMINATOR ARMOR?!?
Anonymous No.719726928
>>719725439
would
Anonymous No.719727007 >>719727698
>>719726689
>Cyrus with his original DoW2 VA
>Good sign. any recurring characters might also get their old voice actors back
Anon... I got some bad news for you.
Anonymous No.719727141
Anonymous No.719727427
>>719722227
Age of Mythology started with three you complete fucking retard
Anonymous No.719727568
>>719725708
Why not just have Pariahs be naturally occurring instead?
Anonymous No.719727698 >>719736687
>>719727007
I know Cyrus is dead or super dead. That still sounded like Steve Blum to me. But it made me worry about how the rest of the game will sound.
I haven't found any confirmation there yet on if they're grabbing any other old VAs from 1-2. I can't imagine they'd get all of them even if devs/GW were open to that, it's over a decade now not everyone is as available, so realistically, it'd be a mix and match maybe?
Anonymous No.719729151
>>719725497
great arguments, you sacks of fuck.
Anonymous No.719729474
>>719722351
>every faction shares the same units
>Age of Mythology

Shut up, cunt.
Anonymous No.719729634 >>719731920 >>719751221
>>719703187 (OP)
My biggest concern so far is that the lasguns don't shoot a red laser anymore.
Anonymous No.719729701
What a weird hill to die on.
Anonymous No.719730469
>>719726292
I would regrettably spend actual money if they brought back the Lost and the Damned even if it gets a terrible release wave like every new faction does
Anonymous No.719730642 >>719730827 >>719731253
Wake me up when the Tau DLC gets announced.
Anonymous No.719730827 >>719731013
>>719730642
mods, kill this poster
Anonymous No.719730915
>>719722227
>Total war
>Rts
Anonymous No.719731013
>>719730827
>railguns you from 100 miles away and you get no invuln saves
Anonymous No.719731253 >>719731452 >>719751230 >>719751421 >>719753345
>>719730642
How did Tau become the designated goonerfag faction when Deldar and Slaanesh exist?
Anonymous No.719731452 >>719731756 >>719731756 >>719751524
>>719731253
Eldar were the waifu faction for a while and people got bored of them because their lore sucks and they're just elves in space.
Slaanesh meanwhile is TOO crazy for the average xenophile, while Tau are in just the right spot between 'Human enough' and 'Not too alien'.
Anonymous No.719731548
>>719703187 (OP)
It looks meh. I'm not a fan of the hard-cover in DOW2. Curates the gameplay of the map too much. What has me worried the most is that there doesn't seem to be grid snapping for the buildings which could be the most oboxious thing ever to manage spacing in built up bases.

That, and for some reason it screams "high hardware demand" to me. Can barely tell what's going on in the trailer anyways at the end.
Anonymous No.719731756 >>719731948 >>719734034 >>719740489 >>719751524
>>719731452
Eldar lore is in SUCH a bad place that it makes people hesitant to even wank to them. Slaanesh is a meme, it's been completely desexed by Goy Workshop at this point and isn't the default to coom. Tau are in a place much like >>719731452
describes.
Anonymous No.719731779
>>719704940
>t. Demoralised RTS and 40k/DoW fan
Anonymous No.719731874
no nids, no buy
Anonymous No.719731920
>>719729634
Indeed that's dumb and GW doesn't seem to understand how lasers work on a light spectrum. It made more sense when Guardsmen had weak red lasers and Space Marines had strong bright blue ones. Defeats the purpose of lasguns being easy to produce and maintain when they work on one of the most complicated colours. They even said themselves that they turn red due to "atmospheric conditions" so it's just an ouroboros of stupidity
Anonymous No.719731948 >>719733224
>>719731756
Where did we go wrong as a society where trying to prevent your race from being murder-raped in the afterlife is no longer considered a good motivating factor to do absolutely horrendous shit to the other races in the galaxy?
Anonymous No.719731960
>>719722721
Melee Tarkus is pretty fun and still viable
Anonymous No.719732312 >>719732982
>>719716971
>Necrons have a cool aesthetic and not beaten to death like chaos
Necrons used to be cool, Nucrons are extremely gay and talk like cringe anime characters.
Anonymous No.719732982
>>719732312
>Nu
Shut up zoomer
Anonymous No.719733224 >>719733638 >>719733660 >>719734030 >>719734837
>>719731948
The moment Gav "Dwarf Lover" Thorpe became the main Eldar writer. Eldar WERE considered to be justified, to the point where they flat out were 'good guys' in the broader sense of 40k.
Then Thorpe decided he didn't like that so he made them colossally arrogant pricks who never win, because even as arrogant asshole they're STILL mostly justified.
Anonymous No.719733638
>>719733224
>Gav Thorpe vehemently explains some of the thoughts and decisions he made whilst writing and developing the all new Codex Eldar.
>Be warned though, he does get a bit carried away at times...
If only we could go back to the past and use the now ol'
>words words words
insult on his ass, then maybe we could have gotten the Eldar that view humanity with contempt not from a place of superiority, but because they see their own failures in the Imperium.
Anonymous No.719733660 >>719733815
>>719733224
I still can't get over this guy being a known dwarffag who hates elves and still being the one to write the most novels for elves in 40k and fantasy, that's true haterdom
Anonymous No.719733815 >>719733957
>>719733660
Frankly he mostly sucks for the other factions he's written for, dark angelfags and space furries complain about his books too. I think only the Imperial Guard books he's done get regular praise
Anonymous No.719733957 >>719734183
>>719733815
so is he the one that made it canon that "lion el'jonson" translates to "lion of the forest", meaning there's a language where "lion" means "lion" and "jonson" means "forest"?
Anonymous No.719734030
>>719733224
shut up pedo
Anonymous No.719734034 >>719734145
>>719731756
Eldar became unsalvagable when their new Faction's first big move was bringing back Roboute and Eldrad started killing mean Farseers to save humans. GW keeps trying to make a 40k version of Fantasy's "Ordertide" when that should never be a thing. 99% of Eldar shenanigans should be anti Imperium. The Yrlians or whatever should have been Genocidal Death Cult, not a Suicidal one.

Eldar should contrast the Deldar in that, while they won't torture you and might actually fight with a modicum of honor, what the Eldar do is typically catastrophically bad for the Imperium while the Deldar is ultimately surface level damage.
Anonymous No.719734145 >>719734492 >>719734513
>>719734034
But unless everyone holds hands and joins forces, the traitor legions can never be redeemed, the Warp can never be calmed, the Necrons can never be returned to their organic bodies, and the Tyranids can't be ousted back outside of the Galaxy!
Anonymous No.719734183
>>719733957
I believe so yes, he wrote all the 30k novels for the Lion, though not the novel for his 40k return. Funnily enough his Luther novel is probably his best work, which fits with his vibe of writing for factions he hates
Anonymous No.719734261 >>719734294
any cuckolding in these games?
Anonymous No.719734294
>>719734261
mods, kill this poster
Anonymous No.719734492
>>719734145
Yep!
Anonymous No.719734513 >>719734681
>>719734145
I like how Winter Assault handled it.
Anonymous No.719734681 >>719746241
>>719734513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKIAMAqGNIY
Anonymous No.719734837 >>719735104 >>719735381 >>719737135 >>719747819
>>719733224
40K is simply an outright inferior setting in every way to WHFB, no faction outside of the Imperium forces matters, is relevant, or is written well. Even character wise it's not even close, the Eldar will never have the equivalent of the innumerable outstanding Elven Princes, the Dark Eldar will never have anything even CLOSE to Malekith, etc. 40K is and always has been about Space Marines and to a lesser extent their sidekicks in the rest of the Imperium, and if that doesn't work for you the setting will never be appealing. GW has never managed to make any of the xenos in 40K interesting or fun in any way shape or form, and they never will.
Anonymous No.719735104 >>719735307
>>719734837
They would if they allowed me to write for them and unfuck everything that's happened over the past two decades.
Anonymous No.719735307
>>719735104
Just read the novels. Lords of Silence is great.
Anonymous No.719735381 >>719735558
>>719734837
You mistake bad writing for a bad setting.
AoS is a bad setting, yet it still manages to produce interesting characters to work with.
40k is a good setting with bad writing, because GW mandates that because Marines sell the most the writing must focus on Marines, despite there being far more interesting factions in the setting.
Fantasy leans more towards AoS; most of Fantasy is bland, cliche, and generic, but the way it's WRITTEN make it compelling.
Anonymous No.719735558 >>719735827
>>719735381
I personally do not find a setting where only one faction has decent writing and characterization to be anything other than a bad setting, though, so yeah.
Anonymous No.719735827 >>719736315
>>719735558
Again, you have it backwards. The Imperium isn't written or characterized decently, it's a schizophrenic mess of authors with different views they're trying to push while staying in GW's good graces. Having the most content doesn't make it decent content.
Anonymous No.719736315 >>719736616
>>719735827
None of 40K is written well, yes, but the Imperium is clearly the protagonist faction and every other faction in the setting revolves around their existence. When you contrast it with WHFB, the difference is marked, as every faction is relevant and important, and they are not merely orbiting around the Empire, and furthermore each one has means they could conceivably use to achieve victory in the end. Well, ignoring GWs retarded "Chaos must win" nonsense, anyways.

Meanwhile in 40K every xenos faction is just a punching bag for the Imperium to "struggle against all odds" with the named character of the week prevailing yet again at the end of it all, making their antagonists look like jokes because all they ever do is job. GW seems to have missed the memo that in order for your protagonists struggles to be impactful and interesting, they have to lose from time to time, especially in a big setting like this one, and I'm not talking about some throwaway lines in a codex, but actual, real losses and setbacks where the mighty Imperium character fails in the end. That way, when the Imperium does achieve victory, it actually feels earned, rather than just a foregone conclusion.

Who reads something like "John Jackson the Ultrawolf looked out across the billions of Tyranids arrayed against him and screamed FOR THE EMPEROR and charged into certain death" and thinks anything other than that all the Tyranid in this scenario are going to get wiped out? 40K is a joke.
Anonymous No.719736616 >>719736726
>>719736315
>but the Imperium is clearly the protagonist faction and every other faction in the setting revolves around their existence.
Not in 4e. The entire point of the Imperium in 2004 (both when 4e and Dawn of War released) is that they're losing, but they keep on fighting anyways because of their conviction and faith. The twist that the Emperor trying to kill faith ended up killing the Imperium, and faith is what sustained the Imperium after his ascension to the Golden Throne, carried significantly more weight than previous editions treating the Imperium as a satire of Thatcherism.

I'm not bothering with the rest because you already have a preconceived disdain for something you don't understand. It's like trying to teach an old person how to use a smart phone; you refuse to listen and just want to bitch.
Anonymous No.719736687
>>719727698
Why would Steve Blum be brought back just to voice a character who will die? Bro is getting the primaris treatment.

Or a Cyrus Dreadnaught
Anonymous No.719736726 >>719736972 >>719737027
>>719736616
>Back in my day
2004 was 21 years ago my man, we're talking about 40K as it exists now. And even back then I really do not think you can argue any of the xenos had any real narrative weight or well written characters or scenarios centered around them, ever.
Anonymous No.719736972
>>719736726
If you want to use time as a limiter on this discussion then you're going to have to justify Age of Sigmar, which is the shittiest setting White Dwarf has ever put out, especially when compared to oWHFB.

I'll wait.
Anonymous No.719737027
>>719736726
The current narrative is that half of the Imperium is just straight up fucked and it sucks to be them where as on the other side the overall campaign goal is evacuating and destroying a ring of worlds surrounding the Segmentum Solar so hopefully nothing will go through the hassle of attacking the core worlds (This didn't work BTW lol)
Anonymous No.719737135 >>719737809
>>719734837
Orkz are far superior to Greenskins, it's not even close. Otherwise, I agree with you.
Anonymous No.719737809
>>719737135
>Orkz are far superior to Greenskins
But they don't have black orcs.
Anonymous No.719737893 >>719745120
>>719719025
Necrons were OP in dark crusade, of course you'll feel that way.
Anonymous No.719738060
>>719704115
Only fat nerds could name more than 4 of the faction when the first DOW came out.
Anonymous No.719739035 >>719739479 >>719742252 >>719742679
>>719703187 (OP)
Never forget the DoW3 trailer being kino and the game being DOGSHIT.
I will never forget.
I reserve judgement until the game comes.
Look at Homeworld 3.
Not getting hyped for an RTS ever again.
Anonymous No.719739479
>>719739035
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Anonymous No.719740489 >>719740736
>>719731756
They should just nerf Eldar back to original rogue trader lore
Anonymous No.719740736
>>719740489
That wouldn't be a nerf though
Anonymous No.719742252
>>719739035
there was nothing kino about the lanky marines
Anonymous No.719742451 >>719742979
At what age does it become impossible to properly micromanage?
Anonymous No.719742679
>>719739035
I never got the hype for the DoW 3 trailer. It was always "Muh poetic sacrifice" because some dude let's himself be crushed for no reason. DoW 1 and 2 trailers were all about showing various units duking it out and getting killed in cool ways.

DoW 3 trailer always looked like some gay art school students attempt to do 40k even it's supposed to be armies of toy soldiers smashing into each other.
Anonymous No.719742979
>>719742451
Whatever age you are
Anonymous No.719744496 >>719745207
>>719717796
When are you sisters of battle fans going to realize GW redesigned them and they don't look like in your fanfics anymore?
Anonymous No.719744612
In the Ultimate Apocalypse mod is it normal for the camera to only move when you hold the middle mouse?
Anonymous No.719745120
>>719737893
I feel dreadnoughts also got nerfed in soulstorm.
Anonymous No.719745207
>>719744496
It's MY Blender model so I CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT
Anonymous No.719745865 >>719746954
Anonymous No.719746079
Anonymous No.719746241 >>719746382
>>719734681
Kino
Anonymous No.719746287
Anonymous No.719746369 >>719746669
>>719703187 (OP)
I really hope that we get a post-2015 RTS by a reputable company or at least IP that doesn't just autistically focus on the battles, but also on your personal identity, the fucking base building. The trailer's gameplay doesn't give me a lot of hope, the bottom middle of the UI is basically cluttered purely by ALL unit frames so the focus will be on them.
Anonymous No.719746382
>>719746241
Dawn of War took something ridiculous and played it straight. I miss that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ZbXK1xY_4
Anonymous No.719746669 >>719746838 >>719747046
>>719746369
On and another thing I forgot to mention: DoW1 has 9 races to play baseline. Dozens if you include mods, which I won't or it's not even a contest.
DoW 4 seems to have Necrons, Orks, Mechanicum and Spehs Mareens. How the fuck do you think you can compete with DoW 1 when you don't even have half the playable races? That's like Elden Ring re-releasing with prettier graphics but instead of melee with its subcategories, ranged, items, sorceries, miracles and a bunch of shit in-between, you only have melee, ranged and sorceries. You think the fans would even remotely prefer that?
Anonymous No.719746838 >>719747121
>>719746669
1) if im going to be looking at a game then it better look good
thats it
thats the entirety of it
if a game looks like shit it cant be enjoyed
Anonymous No.719746898 >>719747041 >>719747186 >>719747896 >>719748891
>Humans start a cult that worships robots
>entire goal is to become a robot
>thinks flesh is icky and dumb
>Becomes huge and is part of the galatic human empire

>Still think Necrons are evil and kill them one site.

Shouldn't the Machine Cult fucking love Necrons for achieving what they could not? Seems like there should be some sect that would break off and worship Necrons as gods.
Anonymous No.719746954 >>719747184
>>719745865
>Mostly canon SoB
>No Pants for some reason
Anonymous No.719747041
>>719746898
It's literally the SOUL vs SOULLESS distinction. Xeno tech is gross and sterile and devoid of the Omnissiah's guiding wisdom. Humanity's technology has spirit
Anonymous No.719747046 >>719747181
>>719746669
There were 4 playable factions in DoW until Dark Crusade and that was skirmish only.
Anonymous No.719747121
>>719746838
>if a game looks like shit it cant be enjoyed
This is bait, I won't even engage with you other than giving you your very pathetic (you)
Anonymous No.719747181
>>719747046
Yeah okay so? There's 9 in Soulstorm and that's what we have now. The fact that we started with less doesn't matter, we have more now do we shouldn't go back to less.
Anonymous No.719747184
>>719746954
Her spandex just ripped obviously
Anonymous No.719747186
>>719746898
Couple reasons
>going full borg is heretical and too far, though some tech priests still do it
>admech are mostly still human supremacists and believe xenotech to be heretical corruptions of the true human tech
But yes, there are some Admech who love Necrons
Anonymous No.719747475
The fact that the people denigrating this game generally seem to mostly be massive retards is starting to give me hope that this might actually be good.
Anonymous No.719747581
>>719721668
Warcraft I and II
Starcraft 1 and 2
Total Annihilation
Metal Fatigue
Supreme Commander 1 & 2
KKND 1 & 2
C&C, Tiberian Sun, C&C 3
Red Alert 1-3
Settler 2,3
Original War
Tzar

And for recent games:
Tempest Rising
DORF (upcoming)
Anonymous No.719747819 >>719747901 >>719748031 >>719748726
>>719734837
I've been thinking about this for a while on how 40k still doesn't have a lot of fictions equivalent to it's fantasy countparts and how to go about adding them to 40k or vice versa.
I came up with an idea on how to add Skaven and Lizard men to 40k and the most I came up with (which I will toot my own horn and say I think it's a swell idea) is essentially combining the two races together. Skaven lore says that they are great as scheming and espionage while also being back stabbers, and Lizard Men worship a bunch of weird gods and magic while having a strict cast system. So combine the two and you get glow nigger, /pol/ conspiracy theory, race of lizard people that disguise themselves as whatever to infiltrate their enemies from the inside while building massive cult cities underground where they eventually rise up and strike.
Anonymous No.719747896 >>719748279
>>719746898
Way before the current canon, the Imperium had things later known as the Men of Iron, self-improving AI robots. They revolted, it cost the Imperium a fuckton and it lead to the mechanicum outlawing AI as a whole, now called Abominable Intelligence.
Every single robot, every single machine that does any sort of complex thinking, anything beyond a grippy arm moving things from a conveyor belt and back and even those sometimes, is usually powered by a human brain. These are then called Servitors and it's usually a result of very willing and enthusiastic augmentation OR punishment equal to the death penalty.

In short, AI was bad once so now we hate AI and use ACTUAL brains as brains in our machines.
Anonymous No.719747901 >>719748227
>>719747819
the genestealers have the infiltration niche
Anonymous No.719748031 >>719748227
>>719747819
We already have skaven/lizardmen, they're called Tyranids.
>all-consuming swarm that comes out of nowhere
>very apt at magic nobody understands
>infiltrates society
Anonymous No.719748092
>>719703187 (OP)
DOW 3 had a good trailer too
Anonymous No.719748109
>>719715796
The hilarious thing is that the Salamanders aren't African-black, they're (mostly) white guys doing scifi blackface.
Anonymous No.719748227
>>719747901
>>719748031
Ahh... well that sounds lame.
Anonymous No.719748279 >>719748354 >>719748392
>>719747896
>In short, AI was bad once so now we hate AI and use ACTUAL brains as brains in our machines.
ENTER (i love these guys)
Anonymous No.719748354 >>719748392 >>719750520
>>719748279
Anonymous No.719748392
>>719748279
>>719748354
Ah yes, the nu-squats but technological this time
Anonymous No.719748628 >>719748690
>>719703187 (OP)
>>719703280
This is a paid ad post.
Only 3 starting races vs 4, retaining that shitty cartoony garbage from DoW 3, crappy repetitive space marine centric campaign done 4th in a row.
Fuck you, nobody is hyped for this hot garbage
Anonymous No.719748659
>>719703187 (OP)
>didn't even realize there was a dow 3
lol
Anonymous No.719748690
>>719748628
>Only 3 starting races vs 4
are you blind
Anonymous No.719748726 >>719748810 >>719748858
>>719747819
Skaven did have a 40k version back when the faction was being developed, but it never got past the concept stage. Even so they may have made it into the setting as the Hrud, the older rulebooks depicted them as a cloaked figure with clawed hands and a tail that looks suspiciously similar to how GW artists of the time depicted rat tails in sketches. The label of Hrud was also given to some spooky inflatable tube man looking fuckers for a while, and the most recent source mentioning the Hrud acknowledges this with an in-universe character stating that he's not entirely sure what a Hrud actually is because he's heard multiple conflicting descriptions of them.
Anonymous No.719748782
Anonymous No.719748810 >>719748883
>>719748726
I've got three of these in total, not sure what publication they're from sadly and this is the best quality images I've ever seen of these pages..
Anonymous No.719748858 >>719749232
>>719748726
Admech has a lot of skaven traits by this point.
Dark admech even more so.
Anonymous No.719748883
>>719748810
Anonymous No.719748891
>>719746898
>>Still think Necrons are evil and kill them one site.
The funniest part is that the machine they're worshipping is a C'tan.
Anonymous No.719748908 >>719748952
>oh no the guards are under attack!
>space marine to the rescue
>wait a minute this attack seems unnatural!
>it's the Eldar!
>no wait, it's actually the Chaos/necron!!!!!!!
When will they abandon this formula?
Anonymous No.719748952 >>719749264
>>719748908
Bro Eldar aren't even in this game.
Anonymous No.719748953 >>719749687
>>719703187 (OP)
This wasn't much of kino. Orks bonk mahreens gentler than the scout does his enemies in his TF2 trailer, and they use sharper objects for that. Also that DoW2 music doesn't fit the scenes. Also what is that fucking scene string?
>Cyrus gets penetrated
>Cyrus looks pretty lively as he shoots a necron from the ground
>"dead" Cyrus gets a standard veil
>Cyrus is lively again, fighting an orc
or before that
>hood nigga walking with 2 flankies
>cut to no-name with a torch walking with 2 flankies in a different scene
>random dread stomping
Gameplay bits still seem off too. I wouldn't mind the game turning out great but nah, that trailer is pretty meh.

Also, I think that first early Space Marine trailer had the best narration about "His Angels of Death".
Anonymous No.719749012
>>719726292
Dark Admech can be a faction once they merge with Vashtor. You can easily fold them together and then go crazy with cyborg and corrupted AI stuff. Lots of potential there.
Anonymous No.719749142
>>719711160
>The Eldar are overused
He says in a game with SPACE MARINES and ORKS
Anonymous No.719749149
>>719704115
>requisition points and power points
FUCK
why can't they just do it like the OG game for fuck sake
many strategic points, some critical locations, a few relics, with power you build and uncommon huge power sources you can contest
not this gay tug of war bullshit
fucking dawn of war ii where it was better to ignore the other players scouts with your own scouts and just try to uncap his points while protecting and pushing your points with the assault team
then nobody fucking dies because you slap the big ! button to run away the moment something that counters you shows up
fucking relic
put them out to pasture already
Anonymous No.719749232
>>719748858
Space Skaven would have been too similar to the Imperial Guard even back then anyway, both of them are all about high numbers of poor quality cannon fodder troopers backed up by specialists with heavy weapons and powerful war machines.
Anonymous No.719749264 >>719749670
>>719748952
So it's minus the Eldar in the formula!
Wow what a fucking change!
Anonymous No.719749493
>>719703187 (OP)
Trailer was weak shit, games looks like ass
Anonymous No.719749670 >>719750069 >>719750281
>>719749264
I mean it's more obviously going to be
>Marines show up to support Guard against Orks
>AdMech are also there being standoffish
>Marines find out AdMech are pilfering Kronus' Necron tech behind the scenes
>AdMech attack the Marines to maintain secrecy
>Necrons show up to get the primitives off their lawn
Anonymous No.719749687 >>719750950
>>719748953
So early that the player Marine was fucking bald and there was orbital bombardment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBB66g1PviE
Anonymous No.719749842 >>719750267
Company of Heroes was released like 20 years ago. Why bother playing this? Reskin slop is why good games don't get released anymore.
Anonymous No.719750069 >>719750281 >>719750364
>>719749670
Here's what's actually gonna happen:
>oh no the guards are under Ork!
>space marine (Ork) to the rescue
>wait a minute this attack seems unnaturork!
>it's the Adeptus Mechaorkus!
>no wait, it's actually the Chaorks/necrorks!!!!!!!
When will they abandon this formula?
Anonymous No.719750267
>>719749842
>Why bother playing this?
That's the neat part, it's not released yet so nobody does! You don't have anything to be mad about, yippee!
Anonymous No.719750281 >>719750747
>>719749670
>>719750069
Or AdMech wake the Necrons fucking around their tomb and the Guard can't deal with both types of aliens so the Space Marines get called in.
Anonymous No.719750364
>>719750069
>>oh no the guards are under Ork!
SQUAD BROKEN
Anonymous No.719750520 >>719750676
>>719748354
There is some weird psychological effect about these guys that makes them incredibly forgettable.
Anonymous No.719750676
>>719750520
It's New Guy Syndrome.
They're so new that they have nothing noteworthy to be remarkable about.
Anonymous No.719750687
>>719704115
>but I'll give them the benefit of doubt.
Fell for it again award.
Better pre-order your digital collectors edition before they run out of 1's and zeros!
Anonymous No.719750747 >>719751376
>>719750281
Or the Spehs Mareens already fighting the Orks either over a Necron tomb or the Necron tomb is just also there, and the Admech shows up to investigate the Necrons. There's a bunch of ways to get all four involved.
Anonymous No.719750950
>>719749687
I was so disappointed when the game re-emerged without the heavy weapons marine, and very glad when SM2 included one as a class (even if you're stuck with the ugly gravis armour).
Anonymous No.719750991
it's unfortunate that dawn of war will never be anything more than a spectacle game because neither relic nor these new devs have enough fundamental understanding of rts to make a game that can stand on its gameplay rather than the ip it's licensed.
Anonymous No.719751221
>>719729634
The silly part about that is that it makes las weapons look like they're shooting tracer rounds of ballistic weapons instead of laser beams.
Anonymous No.719751226 >>719751336
>>719703187 (OP)
Will DoW4 uncanonize DoW3? That's my big question.
Anonymous No.719751230
>>719731253
Jeets learned they have a caste system.
Anonymous No.719751336
>>719751226
Ye, just to say Gorgutz won. Again.
Anonymous No.719751376
>>719750747
Yeah. Another is AdMech comes with Spes Maries to kill the Necrons but then the AdMech revolt and want to keep the alien tech instead of destroying it. Guard says fuck it we'll get blamed for this anyway and revolts. Orks sense there's a fight and come out of the jungle.
Anonymous No.719751421 >>719752163 >>719753131
>>719731253
Most Gooners are massive normies
Deldar and Slaanesh don't have normie appeal.
Anonymous No.719751524 >>719751784 >>719751976 >>719752214 >>719752232 >>719752248 >>719752735
>>719715069
>>719715682
>>719731452
>>719731756
Quick rundown on what's so bad about Eldar lore?
I got introduced to WH40k by DoW and they are portrayed as badass warriors with a cool aestethic so I figured people liked them
Anonymous No.719751620
>>719703187 (OP)
>skitarii
oh no it's retarded
Anonymous No.719751784 >>719752904 >>719753052
>>719751524
the problem with Eldar lore is guys like Gav take the whole "they are a dying race line" as meaning they must lose every engagement they get, in other words his lore just has the eldar taking constant losses no matter how retarded it is, not helped by other authors also adding in their own retarded mix in (the most infamous case being whatever the short black guy wrote especially for the DoW novel series)
Anonymous No.719751976 >>719752904
>>719751524
Apparently they lose even in their own books (every other faction shines and does cool stuff in their own books). Slaneesh got the pg13 treatment because you can't mention sex and stuff like appearing as both male and female without upsetting someone nowadays.
Anonymous No.719752163 >>719752453
>>719751421
Doesn't help Slaanesh daemons are canonically "androgynous": ugly as sin, decidedly NOT female freaks that rely only on their magic to appear alluring. And that's its human-proportioned grunts. One needs to be mentally ill/purge their canon depictions out of his mind to find them hot.
Anonymous No.719752213
>>719703187 (OP)
>3 has the best trailer
>its the worst fucking game in the series
Anonymous No.719752214 >>719753150
>>719751524
So everything in 40k has to be shit, like nothing in the setting can work out and make things better, and the current β€œhow do we ruin this unruinable alliance between men and eldar” is to make them pitiful losers who need the imperium’s help to wipe their own asses but are also comically racist the second the main threat is dealt with and the plot might ask them to think about self preservation.
This is a constantly recurring theme in 40k and it’s why you see so many people who know so much about the lore and clearly love it, but say it’s complete dogshit and GW should burn to the ground. Eventually the ridiculous contrivances get so bad every lorefag breaks.
Anonymous No.719752232 >>719753150
>>719751524
Dark Eldar lore is fantastic, Because Vect and other Leaders just constantly commit horrendous atrocities for phenomenally petty reasons and the city is a constant Warzone between the spires and if someone from outside ends up in Commoragh and does a bunch of damage it's fine because A. The City is so Massive it can absorb pretty much any damage and be fine and B. Dark Eldar deserve it and even their fans like it when they get comeuppance.

Craftworld Lore is kind of shit because they're a race of ascended Psykers who are supposed to be able to peer into the future to keep themselves safe and their decisions with this info is typically doing things in the most retarded and convoluted way that makes everyone mad at them for no reason. They also have really powerful ancient warriors who on paper can slaughter entire Space Marine Companies single handedly but who tend to die in very stupid and embarrassing ways but it's okay because they either come back or they're not important. They also don't do their job as Xenos, which is to be a threat to the Imperium, so what's the fucking point of them?
Anonymous No.719752248 >>719753150
>>719751524
Eldar should be the de facto strongest mother fuckers in the setting; they ruled the galaxy for sixty million years, they made the Necrons and Orks hide away in fear, their Gods kept the Chaos Gods at bay, Humanity at its absolute height was little more than an annoyance to them, and the only thing that managed to finally cause their collapse was that they literally won so hard for so long that it got BORING to them
Even gimped as they are now, Eldar should still be a terrifying thing to go up against because of their psychic abilites, hyper-advanced weapons, and extensive combat training
Instead, Eldar are treated as a joke faction that is incapable of winning battles on their own without heinous losses. They're an 'endangered' race that will frequently lose on an abhorrent scale just to make other factions seem cooler. Literally every other faction has a confirmed casual kill of a Craftworld; continent sized ships that shoyld be virtually unsassailable without a gigantic force brought to bear against them.
Even in most of their own books Eldar are treated as losers and jobbers, to the point that the climax of their 'main trilogy', the Path Of The Eldar series, has the main character literally beg a Space Marine Captain to please stop murdering his Craftworld.
Every other faction gets cool stories where they get to win big huge battles and awesome stuff happens. Eldar get the Ynnari, which is the narrative equivalent of being kicked in the face several times, having both legs broken, and then being dumped into a roadside ditch. The Ynnari plot was so abhorrently awful that the series flat out got cancelled, but because Eldar aren't Marines or an obviously evil enemy for Marines to stomp on, GW has utterly abandoned Eldar lore in general.
Anonymous No.719752264 >>719752391 >>719752543
>>719703187 (OP)
what makes this worthwhile compared to DoW1&Expansions ?
Anonymous No.719752391
>>719752264
We don't know yet.
Anonymous No.719752453
>>719752163
Those Tongue/Nipple/Ant Eater Dinosaur things they ride around on do give me ideas tho.

I'm not a fan of the whole flat peck/boob combo. I wish Daemonettes were actually genderless where as Keepers either went Hyper Masculine/Hyper Feminine.
Anonymous No.719752503 >>719752592
>black mechanicus woman

I'm so tired of 40k now honestly. The DEI faggots ruined it. Black Library is unreadable trash. Literally every new cover art is blacks and women and any white men have a helmet on.
Anonymous No.719752543
>>719752264
A population of players with a skill level/knowledgebase at RTS and DoW in particular that doesn't dwarf my own might actually play this.
Anonymous No.719752592
>>719752503
i %100 agree, even as a tertiary, so fucking sick of niggers
seeing the wakanda negros on a fucking SPACE WOLVES book pushed me that little bit further
Anonymous No.719752735
>>719751524
>eldar prophesies have a tendency to backfire in the dumbest ways or betray their allies in dumb ways
>this meme is supported by their early novels like Eldar Prophesy and Path of the Eldar (by known hacks CS Goto and Gav Thorpe) showing them as incompetent losers
>the eldar niche of being the ancient, elite super advanced race has been taken from them by the necrons
I can point to several instances of Eldar jobbing in the most pathetic ways. Shurikens are supposed to be armor piercing shredders, but there'll be marine bolter porn that has shuriken literally bounce off of power armor. Eldar armor is treated like paper even though its equivalent to marine armor. Marines are fast, but Eldar are faster, but this is never reflected. Eldar psykers are supposed to be the best but they job anyway. You get truly retarded things like the Eldar failing to kill a baby Angron somehow, or a single tyranid psyker managing to destroy an entire craftworld. The Night Lords will beat Banshees by shouting at them really loudly, I mean what the fuck?

Really the specific one that serves as microcosm of everything wrong with how Craftworld Eldar are written is the Avatar of Khaine. It will job in dumb ways that don't make much sense at all. And even when those losses get explained, the pattern still sticks. People like Gav Thorpe, ADB, they just don't like Eldar, and they're the main guys at BL.
Anonymous No.719752864
DoW1 is the epitome of mediocre RTS design. Most boringest, blobbiest unit blob game that ever blobbed. 2 was better.
Anonymous No.719752904 >>719754616
>>719751784
>>719751976
Gav is just straight up just a dwarffag that hates elves, like this is on record from an interview with Andy Law. He's written seven novels for a faction that he hates, and it features just really dumb stuff, like one of the main craftworlds being taken out by some no-name chapter, and the Eldar having to beg them to go away, or a craftworld being infested by genestealers, including having a Patriarch Avatar of Khaine.
Anonymous No.719752913
>>719703187 (OP)
>Post-7th ED
>Primaris
>Made by the guys who made Iron Harvest
Yeah no. Even if it were good I ain't buying anything that has Primaris Shits in it.
>>719721272
Fuck no. Since times immemorial it was 1K Sons.
Anonymous No.719752998
>>719722327
I miss Armies of Exigo...
Anonymous No.719753025 >>719753105
>>719703187 (OP)
>your first DLC faction
>why yes of course they'll be obnoxious to play against
Anonymous No.719753052 >>719753184
>>719751784
>whatever the short black guy wrote especially for the DoW novel series
Funny enough, for all his stories and novels where they are jobbers, the Goto guy also wrote ONE story where they were absolutely mental even while managing to maybe lose:
A Biel-Tan warhost attacks an Imperial world (that belonged to Eldar before, naturally), defeats all of its human defenders and then fucking CHEWS through a full company of Dark Angels supported by a full deatchment of Terminators, a Thunderhawk and THREE Dreadnaughts, with the Eldar leader personally slaying the Marine Captain and at the end showing off by styling on and killing the last Dreadnaught (it wasn't horribly damaged or anything, the Eldar dude was just that good).
The only reason the Eldar maybe lose in this story is because they never thought to check the only stand-out landmark nearby (a statue of the Imperium hero) for a Vindicare sniper that pops the Eldar leader's head A DAY after the host raped the Dark Angels and let the humans in the capital wallow in despair a bit more. Yeah, makes Eldar look like careless clowns, clowns that still absolutely destroyed Imperium's finest though.
Anonymous No.719753105 >>719753261 >>719753453
>>719753025
It woudl be hilarious to see because literally nobody would buy this shit. The only reason Femstodes exist in the first place is because Custodes are one of tbe least popular factions in the setting, and GW has no clue how to fix that because it can't be fixed.
Anonymous No.719753131 >>719753305
>>719751421
>tfw no daemonette gf that phases her hand through your windpipe just to give you a quick kiss before going to work in the morning
why even live?
Anonymous No.719753150 >>719753903
>>719752214
>>719752232
>>719752248
Holy shit, this kinda made me annoyed just reading it. I mean I mostly experience 40k through games and internet discussion/articles so I won't pretend I am a big longtime Eldar fan or anything, I just loved them in DoW. But if I spent money on books to have this handed to me I'd be mad.
I feel I understand the local elfposter guy a little better now.
Anonymous No.719753184
>>719753052
Other than the grav tank getting taken out by kids and the Dark Eldar worshipping Slaanesh, I think Goto's portrayal of Eldar actually wasn't that bad from what I remember. Goto's a relic anyway, its Thorpe that's the problem
Anonymous No.719753195 >>719753281
If the characters in your novel/short story/film don't have the same stats as their respective units on the table top, then you're creating a wankfest no one should take seriously. It's really as simple as that.
Anonymous No.719753217 >>719753278
>adeptus sororitas
>anons wants to fuck them crazy nutjob bolter bitches that can easily tear anons' dick off
>not the ones from the non-militant side of the adpetus sorortitas like the medical staff, scholars or wagecucks
What's wrong with you niggers?
Anonymous No.719753261 >>719753324 >>719753356
>>719753105
>Custodes are one of the least popular factions in the setting, and GW has no clue how to fix that because it can't be fixed.
I didn't know ole Henry was a hipster
Anonymous No.719753278
>>719753217
"Thou shalt not sticky thy dick in crazy" is precept for a reason, retard.
Anonymous No.719753281 >>719753378 >>719753519 >>719753626
>>719753195
>Tabletop accurate novel
>Single squad of Fire Dragons in a Falcon wipe out an entire Chapter of Marines
Anonymous No.719753305 >>719753554
>>719753131
Every guy needs a Ride or Die demon bitch at his back.
Anonymous No.719753324
>>719753261
He also plays Eldar apparently which is funny too
Anonymous No.719753345
>>719731253
Big blueberry cowtits > eye nips and crab hands
Anonymous No.719753356 >>719753730
>>719753261
Cavill's stuff with 40k is entirely performative to boost the potantial power of Amazon's show.
Him saying he likes Custodes is in itself an ad for Custodes.
Anonymous No.719753378
>>719753281
>"haha fire prism go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"
Anonymous No.719753453 >>719753550 >>719753629
>>719753105
They used to be popular before the whole Femstodes stuff and even then they should've never been a playable faction.
They should've been at best a supplementary roster for all Imperial armies.
Anonymous No.719753519
>>719753281
A short story showcasing just how much effort goes into creating a Fire Dragon squad and requisitioning a Falcon, and then how terrified they are of being in combat despite their sheer firepower because none of them want to lose their equipment, their vehicle, and their souls, WOULD make a better story than Force Commander Yngwe Malmstein using his combat knife to cut the testicles off of an Avatar of Khaine.
Anonymous No.719753550 >>719753647 >>719753665 >>719753791 >>719753949
>>719753453
Is GW greedy enough to release a 30k custodes line and say it's not compatible with 40k custodes?
Anonymous No.719753554 >>719754227
>>719753305
I'll take that over the lobster fists any day of the week desu. Getting a handjob from Pinchy doesn't sound like a recipe for a good time desu.
>https://youtu.be/5N-FqHvr7OY
Anonymous No.719753626
>>719753281
One of the best stories that heavily feature Eldar also apparently features a tabletop-accurate interaction between a Marine Chapter Master and a Banshee Exarch.
Anonymous No.719753629 >>719753791
>>719753453
>They used to be popular before the whole Femstodes stuff
No, they weren't. Femstodes was specifically an advertising move to drum up press for the 10E Custodes 'wave' that had absolutely zero hype, and was widely being mocked.
Anonymous No.719753647
>>719753550
>Is GW greedy enough to
yes
Anonymous No.719753665
>>719753550
Isnt that what they do?
Anonymous No.719753730
>>719753356
Was wondering when someone would finally look past that smokescreen. Imperial jannies always were a meme faction like the spess dorfs.
Anonymous No.719753791
>>719753550
Some models are compatible, but some were replaced with eerily similar ones.
>>719753629
Nah. Femstodes was done after they did that deal with Amazon. And I wish it was only this.
Anonymous No.719753903 >>719754101 >>719754510 >>719754569
>>719753150
Personally I think Craftworld Eldar are just conceptually kind of bad for the 40k setting. It's not like Fantasy where the forces of Order and Chaos are more or less balanced and the story can either have them be allies or enemies from character to character. 40k is supposed to be about a Brutal Regime trying to prevent the fall of human civilization against nonstop threats from weird ass aliens. Eldar just don't really have a role to play in that struggle except to show up and annoy you with their random bullshit prophecies that they probably got wrong anyway.

As said before, Dark Eldar are fantastic. Kinda feel like Craftworlders should just be dropped entirely and all their attention should just be handed over to Commoragh shenanigans. Though there is always a bit of toe stepping between them and Slaanesh Marines.
Anonymous No.719753949
>>719753550
>Is GW greedy enough
Do you really need to ask that question?
Anonymous No.719754101 >>719754368 >>719754414 >>719755335
>>719753903
Would the Imperium listen to the guidance of Eldar if the Eldar were to share their knowledge?
Anonymous No.719754227
>>719753554
>he still hasnt moved beyond mere sex when it comes to physical experiences
Pleb. Reminds me of a Slaaneshi chaos lord who had his eyelids removed and his eyes altered so he can never stop seeing crazy shit, and also had his tongue stapled to his breast plate so he requires an interpreter. He had a pair of human slave twins follow him 24/7, one blinded and the other deafened, and their arms were removed so they couldn't even hug each other. Those were his interpreters. His final thoughts as he died were those of anger that he wouldn't be alive to torture them anymore.
Anonymous No.719754368 >>719754487
>>719754101
Some of them would, there was a recent major storyline where some Eldar warned an inquisitor (this dude) about Abaddon's plan, and he did listen. There've been others too.
Anonymous No.719754414
>>719754101
>Eldar "Knowledge"
"Mon' Keigh, This is our peoples version of your human 'Kama Sutra',"
"It is 42,969, pages long"
Anonymous No.719754487 >>719754672
>>719754368
Let's say a dozen humans are willing to listen to Eldar. What about the other 9,347,394,088,943?
Anonymous No.719754510 >>719754634 >>719754720
>>719753903
Eldar being the actual Good Guys would be an interesting narrative point to make the Imperium being evil.
Unfortunately GW no longer wants the Imperium to be portrayed as evil.
Anonymous No.719754569 >>719754972
>>719753903
The original version of Eldar way back in the day before they really had lore had them be space pirates. There still are Eldar corsairs and they're still cool. GW seems to be wanting to give them more focus, they got a killteam, and they're getting a novel. The new game will have a corsair companion too.

Corsairs are funny because even though they're inherently more selfish and wild than craftworld eldar, they're also more willing to work with humans, they're the main eldar that rogue traders and inquisitors will have the chance to interact with. Anyway, corsairs are cool
Anonymous No.719754616 >>719755072
>>719752904
>like one of the main craftworlds being taken out by some no-name chapter, and the Eldar having to beg them to go away
To be fair, in the trilogy itself noone treats their Craftworld as super big and important compared to others, so I feel that characterization came later. And well, the "begging" was them explaining that the Space Marines, Navy and Guard were led there by lies and telling that the Space Marine Chapter and Imperials would all die with the Craftworld while its population escapes. I think at least ealier Gav's works (haven't read his Ynnari stuff) treat them with plenty of respect for a "dwarf guy".
I think a bigger menace is that newer writer that inserts transformer degenerates everywhere and I've heard has some characters discuss how Gazkull is a woman at heart, not a boy.
Anonymous No.719754634 >>719755149
>>719754510
40k shouldn't have good guy factions. You can have Good Guys aplenty but there shouldn't be anyone who you should be able to say, from a moral standpoint, "Man I really hope this faction Wins"

>GW no longer wants the Imperium to be portrayed as evil.
I don't know where you're getting this idea from.
Anonymous No.719754672 >>719754813
>>719754487
No as a general rule, but for what it's worth, there have been a couple instances of Imperial planets having genuine alliances with a craftworld. But the other problem is that it isn't just the Imperium that's fragmented, every Eldar craftworld is its own nation. Your treaty with Ulthwe doesn't mean shit to Biel-tan
Anonymous No.719754720 >>719755524
>>719754510
It's not that the Eldar should be the "good guys", it's that they can see humanity is making the same stupid mistakes the Eldar did. The Eldar are scared shitless because humanity was able to split the galaxy in half, just like how the Eldar opened the Eye of Terror. The Eldar saw humanity split in half, just as the Elder and the Dhrukari. The Eldar see the Imperium fighting a protracted, losing war against other races for absolutely no gain, just as the Eldar did before the Emperor was nutted into his mother's womb.

The point of contention is that the Eldar WANT to help humanity, but they view humanity as massively incompetent, and humanity views the Eldar as just another breed of xenos scum. Their conflict isn't ideological, it's just awful circumstances that can't be fixed.
Anonymous No.719754813 >>719754886 >>719755250
>>719754672
this is so consistent and hilarious, the eldar despite being the most threatened race in the galaxy fucking refuse to work together and actively do things to harm each other.
you'd think the drukhari give a shit about their cousins but they don't and are just as likely to enslave and murder them as anyone, there's no fucking unity among these idiots when there absolutely should be out of any faction, it's great
Anonymous No.719754886 >>719755003
>>719754813
>*laughs in dark-skin vs. light-skin basketball american chimpouts*
Anonymous No.719754972
>>719754569
Yeah, that's true, I just think even there Dark Eldar just do the whole "Space Pirate" Shtick so much better than Craftworlders because they're just evil bastards.
Anonymous No.719755003 >>719755158 >>719755513
>>719754886
i knew this would be brought up, but the difference is we right now aren't pushed the literal brink of extinction by every other faction with almost no way out, with our souls on the line of being eaten by literal satan
i'm just saying that unlike us they have every reason to work together but don't
Anonymous No.719755072 >>719756193
>>719754616
Path of the Eldar would have been vastly more acceptable if it had been about some random minor craftworld invented for that series, but its about Alaitoc which had been one of the five main craftworlds for years by that point. Its extra dumb because Alaitoc is supposed to be the most puritanical craftworld, the one so strict that it has the most rangers because they can't stand the rules. But Alaitoc as Gav portrays is chill.

The jury's out on the new guy, Mike Brooks. He hasn't written an craft world eldar focused book yet, but he's writing a corsair book. The main thing people are harping on is that he wrote that all banshees are women, including the men who have to transition, which is dumb as fuck. Also he wrote Lelith to be a lesbian which I don't think is a big deal
Anonymous No.719755149 >>719755638
>>719754634
>I don't know where you're getting this idea from.
Take a look at the cover art for the 9th edition Rulebook.
Anonymous No.719755158
>>719755003
Current propaganda LITERALLY states that black boys and girls are being systematically exterminated by the colonial American gentrification police state designed specifically to keep black families from crossing socioeconomic barriers and establishing themselves in Western society. If it's not by police shootings, then it's by instigated gang violence. If it's not by gang violence, then it's by abortions.
Anonymous No.719755250
>>719754813
Lugganath is the most based craftworld, they want to just move their entire craftworld into the webway, and they have a lot of connections with pirates and the harlequins. But they fucking hate the Dark Eldar. They have working alliances with the Tau and Imperium, to the point of going after Dark Eldar raiders to avenge their Imperial allies

They're also orange which is cool
Anonymous No.719755335 >>719755417 >>719755925
>>719754101
Food for thought.
Anonymous No.719755417 >>719755925
>>719755335
what is this, heresy for ants??
Anonymous No.719755513
>>719755003
Dark Eldar don't see themselves in the same position as Craftworlders. CW see themselves as the last remnants of a dead culture with no real way to recover or even really preserve themselves in the long run. Commoragh already thought it was hot shit compared to the rest of the Eldar Empire before the Birth of Slaanesh, it's an absolutely massive population center that's pretty much impossible to attack in any meaningful way, has access to an infinite supply of victims to feed it's need for pain.

Dark Eldar are pretty much tied with Orks for a Faction that is actively thriving in the Galaxy and likes the current state of affairs. Also now large swathes of the Imperium are almost totally isolated and open to attack with no way to protect themselves.
Anonymous No.719755524 >>719755662
>>719754720
>be eldar
>want to prevent humanity from going retard happen like finding/excavating chaos or necron shit
>send them vogue/cryptic/riddle message instead of direct to the point
>gets ignored, humans double down on shit their doing
>gets mad and intervene, causes casualties on all sides
>humans calls spess marines
>even more casualties and worse, losing a jobber of khaine
Anonymous No.719755638
>>719755149
Libraries closed.
Anonymous No.719755662 >>719755794
>>719755524
>be eldar
>hope that humanity will come to logical conclusions on their own
>humanity's response to anything they don't like is to shit themselves and blow things up

>this is somehow the eldar's fault
Anonymous No.719755794 >>719755859
>>719755662
>hope that humanity will come to logical conclusions on their own
Proof that Eldar are retarded.
Anonymous No.719755859
>>719755794
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Anonymous No.719755925
>>719755335
>>719755417
>Downsized
Damn.
Anyways
>Humans land on Maiden World
>Eldar allow this
>Humans begin poking around old Eldar tech, start getting close to an ancient superweapon
>Eldar notice and send diplomats to dissuade them from unearthing the weapon
>Governor ignores the warnings and begins making demands, particularly that the diplomats hand over their Spirit Stones
>Eldar refuse, Governor has them gunned down and turns their spirit stones into a necklace
>Eldar send another lone diplomat to demand the stones returned, or else the Governor's planet will be scoured of all life
>Governor kills that diplomat too
>Eldar had already sent out a call for war having expected but hoped against the betrayal
>Several Craftworlds show up and obliterate the Imperials, capturing the Governor before activating the superweapons and pointing them at each other, destroying them and glassing the entire planet
>Eldar then hand the Governor over to thr Dark Eldar, who turn him into a sentient footrest.
Anonymous No.719756193 >>719756341 >>719756595
>>719755072
>Lelith to be a lesbian
Yes, that detail is okay, I feel. He isn't even the first to write that she has a thing for women too. Also, his book has her participate in an orgy with her fans and the first fan to get some attention is a guy, so she isn't a full-on lesbian, and more of a standard DEldar degenerate.
I even liked how a female archon in his Ork book couldn't understand why her heart goes doki-doki at the sight of the guy who is supposed to be her biggest rival for the control of their town and thought it meant she must be extra careful around him. Them as a faction sucking against Orks wasn't that great though. Also his Red Gobbos are absolute Ork bitches.

Denny Flowers also has written some Orks and Eldar, and he I think is one of their best writers
Anonymous No.719756341 >>719757002
>>719756193
>Also, his book has her participate in an orgy with her fans and the first fan to get some attention is a guy, so she isn't a full-on lesbian, and more of a standard DEldar degenerate.
That's another thing though
Lelith isn't a whore or slut, she has exceedingly high standards and typically kills anyone she sleeps with.
Anonymous No.719756556 >>719761081 >>719762647
dark eldar are stupid because of the torture obsession. why do they have to cause suffering to keep the god of degeneracy from stealing their souls or whatever? they should be rape eldar but we can't have that because it's not pg-13.
Anonymous No.719756572
>>719703187 (OP)
The trailer for the last game was kino and look what happened!
Anonymous No.719756595 >>719757849
>>719756193
>an orgy with her fans
I can't imagine any Dark Eldar would go for this, with a group of other Eldar at least. Way too risky. This is a race where people have access to extensive body mods and are master poisoners. Why the fuck are you going to let your self get completely surrounded and then poked and splashed with hard objects and fluids.
Anonymous No.719757002
>>719756341
I mean, maybe? That guy didn't show fear when she drew his blood and she obviously didn't fuck everyone at the orgy. Besides that novel I mostly know her from some official descriptions that obviously skip explaining her sex or love life, one story where she gets to be an Ynnari diplomat, another where she is a wicked lesbian played like a fiddle by that Eldarboo Inquistitor (he is at his most Gary Stuish there), and the Gotoverse ones, where she is a super boss WITCH that lives in the Eye of Terror, treats Slaanesh emissaries as fucking SLAVES and has whole Craftworlds cower at the thought of her coming out to play and at least Ulthwe paying tribute in unwitting Eldar and Space Marine sacrifices to appease her.
Anonymous No.719757849
>>719756595
She reasons that most of them being genuine fans it's one of the safest places to be at anyways. And I feel the gladiators are one of the Dark Eldar groups it usually applies the least, backstabs and double-crossings still occur but they are more direct about it, since they mainly fight for recognition of the public.
Anonymous No.719758174 >>719758675 >>719758756
I wonder what's back on Kronus for the Blood Ravens to go back there.
Anonymous No.719758675
>>719758174
Thule's stash of xenos porn
Anonymous No.719758756
>>719758174
Memberberries, the most powerful tool in all of modern writing.
Anonymous No.719759398
>>719703425
Hopefully in the Star Wars universe where they belong.
Anonymous No.719760054
>>719703425
They're on the Blood Raven's Battle Barge, warming beds and 'polishing swords'.
Anonymous No.719760572
>>719703187 (OP)
oink-oink
Anonymous No.719760772
I wonder why Relic isn't developing it.
Anonymous No.719761081
>>719756556
they're just psychic vampires, they restore their soul using the pain of others, since slaanesh is draining their souls constantly.
Anonymous No.719762647
>>719756556
That wouldn't be as effective, if a 7' tall amazoness gladiatrix tossed you on her bed it wouldn't be rape for long.