Thread 719719386

Explain what I'm missing here. It's a solid 8/10 but people hype this shit up like it's Ocarina of Time.

people lost religion so now they're on the hunt for new things to collectively worship to make sense of the world

>>719719386 (OP)
you know the old $1 per hour of fun meme? this game is like a hack for that concept, in that it shows a lot of playtime and people forget that they weren't having fun for most of that time.

>>719719386 (OP)

stop posting this shit dude if it didn't touch your soul it's just not for you. let hollowchads enjoy their game and move on

>>719719478
Go on say the bit where you weren't having fun

>>719719556
this is my first hollow knight post I've made in over 3 years

I like how fair the boss fights are. Basically, every time you take damage, it's entirely your fault.
Maybe I'm old, but 3D games have too much stuff going on at the same time. I don't feel like they give me the same pixel perfect precise control 2D games do.

>>719719386 (OP)
>people

it's just australians

>>719719567
pretty much every moment between bossfights.

>>719719386 (OP)
I dunno, I thought it was a solid 7/10

>>719719386 (OP)
Nothing, it's like a 5/10 at best.

The map straight up feels like it was randomly generated and they just strew a hundred gates all over the map at random. There is no sense of progression, no rhyme or reason or coherence to where you're supposed to go. You find a powerup, then you just do a big fucking loop around the entire map and check every gate, maybe you marked a couple that seemed important, maybe you remembered the vague area where a few were, but that's all you can do. And most of the time those gates have nothing of relevance behind them, just a bit of essence, a merchant that sells a couple items, a lore tidbit, a shortcut with no cutback, a rotten egg, a bit of geo, a grubworm (read: a bit of geo), etc.

Exploration would work fine if the game didn't have hundreds of arbitrary gates thrown up everywhere that have to be approached in a specific order using a sequence of hidden upgrades and massive amounts of forced backtracking.

The game is extremely samey for how massive it is, rooms are just generic, unmemorable and just all blend together, even much worse than in Super Metroid, which is especially an issue as HK has a much larger map with zero form of player guidance. Additionally, there is a lot more "snaking" in HK's map design so when you need to head in a certain general direction, it's near impossible to tell which path leads there without a map, because paths constantly weave and snake around in every which direction. Seems like a minor nitpick, but really makes navigation a total fucking pain in the ass and basically a complete waste of time before you get the region map.

Essentially, Hollow Knight is just a game with very little thought or understanding put into its world layout from amateur gamedevs that don't understand game design principles that have been around for decades, and just hamfisted in mechanics from Souls and other games without any thought to how they actually contribute to the whole.

I also genuinely don't get the hype. I thought the game was okay, nothing special.

You're not "missing" anything, the game just clicked for some people and didn't for others. I'm sure you can think of plenty of games that you are super enthralled by that other people found to be just okay.

>>719719386 (OP)
Every pixel is hand-drawn, no AI, every fluent 60 fps animation is hand made, sound design is superb, unique vision (go on, show me another post apocalyptic bug game), solid character design that isn't overdesigned and you can guess every character by silhouette alone, etc etc. It's not 8/10, it's 20/10. It set the bar in the genre of metroidvanias so high that nobody can reach it, even triple A corpo shitlords can't.

I didn't even finished the game when I played it last time 5 years ago, just wanted to drop a thrvke on you.

>>719719386 (OP)
It's just good with a lot of quality content for a cheap price. Thats it.
It didn't innovate or anything.

>>719719386 (OP)
>It's a solid 8/10
So it is like ocarina of time?

>>719719386 (OP)
>It's a solid 8/10 but people hype this shit up like it's Ocarina of Time.
Bu ocarina of time is just a 8/10 too.

>>719719386 (OP)
>It's a solid 8/10 but people hype this shit up like it's Ocarina of Time.
So its better than ocarina of time?

>>719720325
brainlet take, I'd argue HK's boss design is weaker than its encounter design on average, even

>>719721417
it clicked for me, I just don't understand why level of hype behind silksong - was it the wait?

>>719721609
probably just the wait yeah

>>719719386 (OP)
for me it's mostly the combat, the majority of other games with decent feeling melee are soulslop where every encounter is just a matter of waiting for your turn to go while HK pushes and encourages playing aggressively

>>719721564
NTA, but the bosses are the only part of Hollow Knight that is actually fun, unique, and challenging to break up the monotony of endless backtracking through samey copy-pasted corridors full of trashmobs.

>>719721609
wait turned people insane, the game only really 'clicked' for me on my most recent playthrough like a month ago and I'm excited about silksong but not that hyped

>>719719386 (OP)
I'm playing it now and it's fun but some of the platforming is extremely obnoxious.

>Explain what I'm missing here
Interesting powerups, varied areas that don't all look exactly the same, level design that isn't long and boring as shit hallways, platforming """challenges""", a badge system that sucks ass, and a competent battle system stretched out over 20+ hours depending on how many samey bug bosses you fight.

>>719721609
Memes surrounding the wait have inflated the hype to outrageous levels, but ultimately a lot of people enjoyed Hollow Knight and this is just more of the thing they like. Nothing wrong with it.

>>719721773
I guess I'm in the minority for this but I found like a third of the bosses kind of annoying and poorly designed but I found handling enemies much more consistently fun

>>719719386 (OP)
Twisted society following a corrupted hive mind

I sorta dropped it. It looks cool and feels good but I had this sprawling mess of a map after like 20 hours and had no real sense of where I was supposed to be going at that point so I lost interest. Game's cool when you don't feel completely clueless though.

>>719721940
>Interesting powerups
Bro, these are the most generic powerups of any metroidvania.

>>719719386 (OP)
The indie buff

soulsbabies first metroidvania
that's it

>>719721998
you just have to look over your map for open spots you haven't gone to and you'll discover everything that way. It's more about "adventuring" than being guided to points of interest. Not for everyone though

>>719721940
>competent battle system
>HK
I love how people are outing themselves as never having played any other metroidvania, then talking shit.

>>719722619
list the metroidvanias that you think have a better battle system, all I can think of off the top of my head that competes is cave story and maybe rusted moss

>>719722163
>>719722163
>>719722163
>>719722163
>>719722163

>>719722163
isn't that super meat boy

>>719719386 (OP)
It's a fun game, but I've never played past the City of Tears. I always get too annoyed by the floating magic boss niggas and fuck off to explore the parts of earlier areas that I missed. Then I just stop playing.

I like the platforming more than the combat. The soundtrack is very cozy.

>>719719386 (OP)
broke retards who don't play many games hype up any mediocre games they play

>>719722752
not him but just gameplay alone
Bloodstained
Record of Lodoss War
SOTN

>>719719567
White Palace.

>>719723280
that's just preference towards stuff taking after castlevania, I thought Bloodstained and SOTN were good but not really my favorites in terms of combat. You might like blasphemous in terms of more modern releases if you haven't tried it

>>719719386 (OP)
>people hype this shit up like it's Ocarina of Time.
so the score fits? OoT is nice but not the 10/10 game people hype it up to be

>>719719567
soul warriors

>>719721120
Not true

>>719719454
What a surprisingly poignant response to find on 4chan's /v/. I would not have expected this. You're exactly right, unfortunately.
Hollow Knight is still maybe a 6/10 at most.

>>719719454
lmao fpbp

>>719723280
Why not the ds castlevanias?

>>719719386 (OP)
It's a good game, people are excited. You don't have to "get it".

>>719721940
>Dont all look exactly the same
Hm? Every area is the same blue/purple shit outside of Greenpath and Queen's Gardens. Silksong looks to be rectifying this though

>>719719386 (OP)
>It's a solid 8/10 but people hype this shit up like it's Ocarina of Time.
It's better than Ocarina of Time. OoT is like baby's first good video game, we made many better games since then

>>719723280
I liked Bloodstained a lot but I really feel like anyone who thinks the combat is better than HK's combat didn't actually play HK for more than an hour or two.

>>719719454
>>719723575
Painfully cringeworthy.

>>719724343
It's okay to not understand something. You don't have to say it's cringe. You don't have to say anything at all, in fact. Have you tried that?

>>719724271
HK doesn't feel nearly as good until you get the dash and learn to pogo consistently yeah, early game isn't comparable at all to endgame with shit like shade cloak, spells, nail arts, etc.

>>719724065
don't be a retard

>>719724492
Would you prefer I say "sophomoric"?
I understand what you're saying perfectly, it's the kind of shit a highschooler would say if he was trying to sound deep.

>>719724940
>sophomoric
>second year high school student-ish
what a pretentious word

>>719719454
r/im14andthisisdeep

I'm done with metroidvanias for at least another decade. I tried this and it felt exactly the same as all the others, quit after a few bosses.

>>719719386 (OP)
OoT is also a 8/10 game.

>>719719386 (OP)
>Ocarina of Time
6/10

>>719723575
>surprisingly poignant
it's a bottom of the barrel platitude (that he read somewhere, too). I'd do the same and tell you to have sex and get over it, but there's no way a retard like you could ever manage that.

>>719726197
Struck a nerve?
>captcha: 22PNS

>>719719386 (OP)
It's 100% fake hype, the first game was not even that popular and only gained popularity NOW

>>719719454
fpbp
for thousand years humans have worshipped religion, you cant just try to not follow that primal instinct your brain is wired to make in just a couple of decades, which explains why americans are retarded and started worshipping corporations and governments instead

>>719726851
Must be bliss being as retarded as you

>>719726851
>game that is "suppose to break the industry"
>barely had 10k players before the fake hype of the second game
lmao

>>719726851
You Shazamtards are so fucking funny

>>719719386 (OP)
8/10 is too high. It’s a mediocre metroidvania, loved mostly by millennials for its 'Tim Burton xD' visuals.
The whole game feels overdesigned and overly scripted. You’re always playing exactly how the devs want you to, with no real freedom. Honestly only CoD campaigns gave me the same feeling... boring as hell.

>>719722752
NTA but Nine Sols

>>719729239
>parryslop
not actual combat

>>719719386 (OP)
>It's a solid 6/10
ftfy

>>719725815
Imagine being this ignorant.

>>719719478
>this game isn't fun. it's nu-fun.

>>719719386 (OP)
Ocarina of Time is 8/10 and hollow knight is the best game in its genre

>>719729641
TRVKE!!!

>>719729758
>and hollow knight is the best game in its genre

>>719729880
It's true.

>>719719386 (OP)
you're not missing anything, that's a fair assessment.

>>719729641
Hollow Knight is fucking all gameplay and, while it starts out extremely accessible, has lots of parts which are substantially more challenging than anything you would find in any metroid or castlevania game

>>719729902
It's not.

>>719719386 (OP)
BECAUSE ITS WESTERN AND THE WEST HAS NO STUDIOS OR GAMES LEFT TO SUPPORT
WHY DO YOU THINK DERIVATIVE SHIT LIKE UNDERTALE HOLLOWKNIGHT EXPEDITION 33 ARE SO POPULAR ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST CARBON COPY OF GOOD GAMES MADE IN JAPAN
EVER SINCE BLIZZARD AND VALVE BLEW THEIR LOADS AND DISAPPEARED THEN MICROSOFT AND BETHESDA AND UBISOFT WENT TO THE SHITTER NO ONE IS LEFT

>>719730060
>has lots of parts which are substantially more challenging than anything you would find in any metroid or castlevania game
elaborate

>>719719567
>which part
game is so trash and forgettable that I don't remember a single part of it. I just remember not having fun for 4 or 5 days straight.

>>719730118
TRVVVVVVVVVVKE!!!!!!!!

>>719730118
>GOOD GAMES MADE IN JAPAN

>>719730378
YOU THOUGHT YOU DID A GOTTEM BUT YOU POSTED ZELDA MEANING YOU JUST GOT YOURSELF
GOTTIT??

>>719719386 (OP)
It was the first metroidvania of many people, that's pretty much it. It's the The Last of Us of metroidvanias.

>>719730060
>has lots of parts which are artificially more challenging
ftfy

>>719730728
yeah godhome isn't even all that fun so much as the earlier bosses serve as a massive runback

>>719730169
Bosses like Grimm, Radiance, and the True Vessel are harder than any boss in any castlevania or metroid game. Platforming challenges like those found in the white palace and the queen's garden are harder than those found in any castlevania or metroid game. The map is far more open ended and progression less obvious than any castlevania game except 2 (and only because its puzzles are bad) and any metroid game except for metroid 2. Hollow Knight's optional challenges like the colosseum, the path of pain, and the godhome pantheons are profoundly challenging.

Overall, while hollow knight is ACCESSIBLE, it's not even remotely a casual game.

>>719731084
>Bosses like Grimm, Radiance, and the True Vessel are harder than any boss in any castlevania or metroid game.
Just wrong. Nine Sols is harder.

>>719731210
Nine Sols is not a castlevania or a metroid game. But you're not wrong otherwise. And it's also a damn good game. My suggestion is not that hollow knight is profoundly difficult or obtuse, just that it's not casual babyshit. That would be something like Ori.

game is hard carried by its music and art style. it's the same thing that carried undertale

>>719731769
for undertale it was more music than art style
for hollow knight its more art style than music

>>719719386 (OP)
>8/10
Dropped it after playing it for 1 hour, I disagree. Not a 8/10 in the slightest

>>719730415
it's a reaction image, not a game

>>719732671
the game feels a lot better after you unlock some initial abilities, the way it expects you to wander around aimlessly never changes though

the metroidvania discussion reminds me I should replay rabi-ribi again soon
the (nearly) perfect metroidvania holy fuck the real world segments are enormous pace breakers I hate them

>>719721419
>this is what hollowtroon cultists actually believe
Grim

>>719730060
Good job outing yourself as a faggot that doesn't play games. Ridley in super, low%, ecclesia lv.1 cap mode, portrait hard mode/richter mode final boss, and so on shit on anything shallow knight has to offer in terms of dificulty.

>>719719386 (OP)
>people hype this shit up like it's Ocarina of Time.
I mean, OoT is also a solid 8/10 game people hype up

>>719727151
it's a singleplayer game that managed to continuously gain online players for 7 years before the sequel was even confirmed

this is not the gotcha you want it to be

>>719735851
>Ridley in super
Isn't difficult at all I beat that shit when I was 8 in a couple tries.
>Meme challenge runs
Can make any game arbitrarily difficult that way, including hollow knight. No masks/no nail upgrade, for example.

>>719721478
:) I grinned

>>719719386 (OP)
You’re right. But 8/10 games are worth playing especially if you love the genre.

>>719721478
This. OP inadvertently hit the nail on the head. Hollow Knight is just the zoomer OoT.

>>719719386 (OP)
Looking forward to tomorrows /v/eddit threads that Silksong doesn't have six gorrilion players and is clearly a flop.

>>719719386 (OP)
OoT isn't amazing either

>>719719386 (OP)
>Ocarina of Time.
that game is not good

>>719719567
I remember beating it and going fuck I dont wanna so the side shit

>>719719567
The entire game.

>>719719386 (OP)
play-asia is fucking me about with the castlevania advance collection deluxe edition (its now coming now cause I brought it with another game)
how much better are those gba games then hollow knight?

>>719719386 (OP)
the atmosphere and music elevates it, the gameplay is challenging but not too tough, it's a 9 or 10.

>>719741085
The atmosphere was flat and the music was boring.

I just rushed to get the bad ending in time for Solksong, I'll probably go back to the game some day to fight Radiance it's just I left it so late to play this shit abd I'm not Essence grinding fuck that.

>>719719386 (OP)
Ocarina of time is a 7/10 but millennials pretend its half as good as BOTW. Let zoomers worship their own mediocre slop

>>719719386 (OP)
Babby's first Metroidvania.
It's that simple.
Or then it's the autistic lorefags.

>>719719386 (OP)
Team Cherry? More like Team Tranny!
HA, GOTEEEEEM

>>719719454
Audible kek.

>>719719386 (OP)
Ocarina of Time is a solid 8/10, so it's not a bad comparison to make.

It's a perfect Metroidvania. Awesome art, music, lore. It's fucking great.

Also OoT is the greatest game of all time and MM is the greatest sequel of all time. You are spiritually a faggot if you disagree

I just beat this game. I played it many years ago but stopped after beating the mantis lords. Something didn't quite sit well with me. Now that I've played it for me it was the first few areas feel kind of boring and lame. However this time I got to the city of tears, which I didn't do so many years ago, and that's when it clicked for me. I loved the atmosphere and just exploring the ruins of the fallen kingdom and the shit I could find in them. Very solid game.

base radiance is too hard, never beat her all these years

>>719719386 (OP)
It's much like Breath of the Wild where it either grabs you, or it doesn't. There's something about the setting and exploration of games like that that just grab some people and not others.

>>719719386 (OP)
Nope you got it. It's a 8/10 game but a 4/10 Metroidvania

>>719719454
god i hate how many unironic christfags i've seen
lately

bring back annoying atheists we need them

>>719719386 (OP)
Implying Ocarina of Time isn't the same thing. (Okay game that gets hyped up to insane levels because most people only care about atmosphere and vibes and it does that very well)

>>719726851
>>719727151
You display a shcoking amount of cluelessness with these posts. You're doing a self-own here and don't even realize it. Not sure if samefag or just two stupid people though.

>>719719386 (OP)
Side scrollers are a lame genre in general and people that like them are dumb. It's kind of like turn based games where they exist in context of the tech limitations of their time, everyone in the modern day only 'likes' them to be ironic.

The only one i ever played and liked was rain world, and that was only because it was more of a ecosystem and ai sim than anything else.

>>719719386 (OP)
Not all obviously, but a good chunk of its fans are zoomers who played it during their formative years. It's been 8 years since it came out, after all.

>>719719386 (OP)
>What am I missing here
Consideration for the art style
>Cuphead felt like playing a 1950s cartoon and was impressive
>DragonBall 2D fighting game made you feel like you were playing a 90s cartoon
>Hollow Knight is like playing an 80s cult classic cartoon
Other than that its just a solid metroidvania game, but it relies heavily on its art/music/atmosphere

>>719745235
t. Enjoys number box games

>>719746098
>>Hollow Knight is like playing an 80s cult classic cartoon
Not even slightly. It's clearly stylized after flash animations & games because that's where it came from.

did you guys complete the hollownest pantheon? i'm about to beat the knight pantheon but from what i've heard the hollownest one seems impossible

>>719721478
Ocarina of Time was fucking revolutionary, it's beyond ignorant to compare that with an incredibly derivative game like Hollow Knight.

>>719747590
Ocarina of Time has aged like a wet dog turd.

>>719722752
The Lost Crown's combat mechanics absolutely mogs Hollow Knight's rudimentary "combat."

>>719721419
>thrvke

This is my first time encountering this word and I already want you decapitated so I can shit down the stump.

>>719719386 (OP)
Nothing. It's just a flash game version of Dark Souls in 2D.

>>719730118
>>719730415
Least insane tendiephile.

>>719729487
you don't have the intelligence to be ignorant.

>>719719681
You are 100% correct OP and the fans are mentally unwell. I agree, its pretty good, not make it your identity great.

>>719719386 (OP)
Is it not possible that most of the people who make and post in Hollow Knight threads also think it's just a solid 8/10?
People too easily conflate how much people like discussing something with how good they think it is.

>>719722752
The ender games
The entire library made by team lady bug. Yes including their freeware

>>719748256
Kek

>>719719454
>trying to extract some deep philosophical reason to explain why people like a game you don't like
Christ you fucks are more obnoxious than the actual HK circlejerkers

>>719723345
The platforming segments were my favourites, you little shit. Bet you didn't even do Path of Pain in 30 minutes like you're supposed to.

>>719733978
>Spoiler
Are they though? They only take a minute and it's not like the game even forces you to do them as soon as you unlock enough characters for the next stele event.

>>719748596
No, I had sex instead. I didnt do path of pain at all, its awful.

>>719719567
I loved most of the game, but Radiant Markoth can suck my nuts. I beat Absolute Radiance, but I'm at my wit's end trying to beat a fucking Kickstarter ghost.

>>719719567
Any instance of backtracking because the movement isn't fun
Pantheon of Hollownest

notice how silksong getting a release date has caused a concentrated effort to flood the catalog with threads like this. key things to look out for are "flash game," "when does it get good," "i played for an hour and it's boring," and "does anyone not get the hype." these phrases will appear in every single one of these threads. just remember that they're axe wound trannies. sage, move on, and have fun on the 4th, anons

>>719748648
he isn't a pessimist by any means but I feel like you're misreading his work if you get the impression he thought all people could self-actualize

>>719748818
the kickstarter ghosts all kind of suck desu

>>719721417
Baby monkeys make me happy even if adult ones make me angry.

In any case, I don't think Hollow Knight is a game that "doesn't click", I think it's a game that some people just really want to hate because they saw other people hyping the shit out of it. See also:

>Elden Ring
>Bloodborne
>Breath of the Wild
>Expedition 33
>Terraria
>Metroid Prime
>Mario Kart 8
>Halo 1/2/3

You will often hear words like "overrated", "slop", and "okay" thrown around to describe them. If they bothered to play the game but still wanted to find a reason to hate it, it'd be "it's just okay, I don't know why it's so overrated", but if it's something they've never played because it's on another console, it'll be some variation of "slop" like "Ubislop" to describe BotW or "rollslop" to describe Elden Ring.

>>719748739
Sex is nothing next to the transcendence of the self through self-imposed ordeal, slave to the flesh. Pogo those sawblades!

>>719748608
I don't see many others comment on it so it definitely isn't as bad for most as it is for me but I found the whole "you should stop everything and come back to this one area to do a fight and progress the story" really broke me out of the flow of exploring when it happened

>>719747590
>Revolutionary
It was just one of the most expansive games of its decade. It wasn't a very good game, but its size and scope made it impressive to people in the 90s. Kinda like Super Mario Bros was in the 1980s. Platformers had been done before, and SMB isn't a very good game in hindsight, but it was easily accessible and offered much more content than what came before it.

>>719744332
Ocarina is hyped because it's responsible for how every single subsequent 3D game plays

>>719723904
Every area looks distinct. Other than certain segments of Greenpath and Queen's Gardens, I can tell them all apart. But Greenpath and Queen's Gardens are supposed to look similar due to lore.

>>719749328
nta but I think the game "not clicking" makes sense too, Talking as someone who calls from games rollslop because having to play around dodging the enemy and waiting for attack windows is annoying as fuck to me

>>719749465
It absolutely defined 3D games and countless devs cite it as an inspiration for their games including Miyazaki. It is without question one of the most important games of all time.

>>719729880
I'm a huge Metroidvania fan and I'd say it's easily top 3. #1 if you don't count Dark Souls or Metroid Prime as Metroidvanias.

>>719729880
I have the same reaction to someone calling it the best outright but it's up there

>>719733978
Hollow Knight, Rabi Ribi, and Cave Story make up the holy trinity of indie Metroidvanias.

>>719721120
Sounds like I'm glad I skipped HK.
Love metroidvania games but never felt a desire to play HK.
Tedious annoying exploration is one of my peeves with the genre.

Does HK not have a good amount of teleport stations throughout the map like the DSVanias?

>>719749803
based

>>719749827
it feels pretty good to move through once you get used to navigating and have enough upgrades to kill enemies faster imo, there aren't as many fast travel points as there should be though

>>719749302
They clearly don't fit the game, but the devs had no choice but to include them. Markoth being a moth breaks lore considering the moths were all followers of The Radiance and were technically responsible for the fall of Hallownest.

Also, they honestly just look really cringe. The only one I find even remotely acceptable is Elder Hu.

>>719719386 (OP)
A lot of it is memery from silksong being delayed for 30 years. But it's one of the best metroidvanias ever made, plus it's 2 times as big as the other good ones without getting boring, I guess you can't call it one of the "great" games because there is nothing in it particularly unique, it's just a very well made game

>>719750310
the soul system is a decent innovation on a healing system even if it isn't that crazy imo

>>719721120
>>719749827
I just replayed the game for the first time since beating it in 2017 because of Silksong's announcement and none of that is actually true. Even barely remembering where to go and stumbling around blind, I was able to find my way through the game quite easily. Only thing I had to look up was 2 charms that I had missed that I needed for 100% completion. Other than Deep Nest, I never felt exploring was unrewarding, and all of the shortcuts were helpful.

If you learn how to pogo-bounce off of lured enemies and background obstacles, you can do just about everything in the game with just the wall jump and air dash. Outside of Deep Nest, of course, the map was incredibly fun to explore and I never felt it was too much of a chore to traverse the map due to the Stag Nests and the DLC dreamgate. I just put a dreamgate in Queen's Station for 40% of the game and teleported back to it whenever I didn't want to backtrack.

You're missing some braincells haha

>>719750483
Yeah it's very well made and satisfying to use, but it's not gonna wow anyone, I guess it is unique but not a major selling point of the game or anything

>>719719386 (OP)
The lack of aurafarming make this game really mid

>>719749827
There are Stag Stations dotted throughout the map that are all in pretty helpful locations. The bottom 1/3rd of the map is pretty barren in terms of stations, but it's also connected by the Tram which functions as a teleport station of its own separate from the Stags.

>comes the fuck out of nowhere
>is one of the lengthiest and most intricate metroidvanias (a god tier genre to begin with) ever and sells for like $13 at launch
>gets free content after release
There's not much else to it, Silksong is more of a meme because of the long dev time like any other hyped game that takes way too long to come out. HK is just the breakout indie success for metroidvanias the same way Stardew Valley was for farming sims and Hades was for roguelites

>>719750310
Games don't have to be unique to be revolutionary. See also:
>Ocarina of Time
>Dark Souls
>Stardew Valley
>Dragon Quest
>Final Fantasy VII
>Super Mario Bros
>Super Mario 64

Hollow Knight has a particularly good story for a Metroidvania. On a first playthrough, it doesn't make much sense, but on repeat playthroughs, you begin to notice things. Like how the Mantis Lords had a 4th seat at the council. Or why Hornet is the only enemy to use webs/strings in the entire game. Or why Tiso's mask looks like one of the statues next to the Hollow Knight in the City of Tears.

It just works. Really well written game in my opinion.

>>719751219
Dark souls is a tricky one. I guess you can say it's not unique since most of its unique stuff (other than being the first 3d metroidvania that isn't shit) came over from demon's souls, but that doesn't seem very fair. Demon's souls invented it, dark souls made it popular, by that logic you could say that demons souls was the true revolution.
Anyway how is hollow knight revolutionary? What games did it influence?

>>719719556
impossible, people who shit on the game are more obsessed than the ones who enjoy it.

>>719751605
>other than being the first 3d metroidvania that isn't shit

>>719719386 (OP)
It's Super Metroid for trans kids.

>>719751605
Ah so we're pretending that Metroid Prime is shit now too

>>719751928
Prime being a FPS game makes it not fit in as much

>>719719386 (OP)
Ocarina of Time wasn't even the best N64 game release that year. please stop sucking the dick of Nintendo fags that believe that game was good

>>719721417
I want to smash its fucking head with a hammer.

>>719751856
These games are dogshit and people need to stop talking about them

>>719721478
My first thought was that ocarina is a 7/10 at best, so OP's post makes no sense. Bad premise.

>>719721417
The guy who invented face filters deserves death

Legit how is this game so popular. Its lack of inertia made me drop it so god damn fast because it makes it feel like a flash game in execution.

>>719751928
Honestly just forgot about it since I only played it on the switch. But I don't think it's all that great either, it's ok but that's it 2d Metroid games are better

>>719751605
How is dark souls a metroidvania? There are zero traversal items, opening shortcuts back to earlier areas is a staple in nearly all action adventure games and not a metroidvania element. Every progression item is JUST a key, maybe doubling as weapon too if you are lucky, like in the case of Serpent-Hunter in elden ring. Next you will tell us Zelda 64 is a metroidvania.

It’s a great $15 game but that’s grading it on a curve. I’d play Metroid dread over this every time.

>>719752667
>he didn't get the double jump in dark souls

it's a good game. the people glazing it tho are usually people that never played castlevanai or metroid and they think hollow knight invented all that gameplay. iff youve ever played the genre beffore hollow knight is good but not mind blowing like newfags think it is

>>719721417
Why is he feeding tyrones kid?

>>719719386 (OP)
OoT is a solid 6/10 so HK being an 8 is far above OoT.

>>719720325
/thread
Silksong has hopefully fixed the issue regarding player maneuver, but movement in hollow knight was garbage even with the wall and double jump. The shinespark not going through enemies is probably what made me seethe the most. Even equipping all movement/speed charms didn't solve this issue.

Remove the trial of fools area or godhome and hollow knight becomes a 4/10 game. I fucking hated all the lore filler slop

>>719752921
I've been a Metroidvania fan since long before Hollow Knight. I grew up on Metroid Prime and loved Metroidvania games like An Untitled Story, Super Metroid, Bunny Must Die, Cave Story, La Mulana, Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow, and Rabi Ribi.

Hollow Knight is legitimately one of the top 3 best 2D Metroidvanias of all time.

I seriously don't understand why people even like HK. Tried it a few times but never finished.
I enjoyed Ender lilies much more.

>>719719386 (OP)
Its more like a 6.5/10.
Game is a shitty Metroidvania, but some of the bosses are okay.

>>719719386 (OP)
Babby's (reddit's) first Metroidvania. It's literally just that, and also this >>719719454 you can see the reddit seethe in realtime in the quotes.

it's fun, but not being able to find the map guy is a bit less fun

I like the game but some stuff requires a LOT of backtracking and trial/error. Like, how do you know the crystal dash is in the mine area and you need it to progress later, but you can only get up there with the mantis claw thing. there are a billion places you can wall jump, but you need to go up there for an essential item.

it's good, but easy to get stuck in at times.

>>719753248
No it's not.

>>719753808
That's literally what metroidvanias are

>>719753924
Yes it is.

>>719749803
Cut HK and add ender lilies and I agree

>>719753412
Ender Lilies felt like playing a lower quality H-game 2d platformer, but without the porn acting as a reward.
Remove the anime aesthetic and cute cunny character, this game would be forgotten. This game had nothing to tell, and gameplay was by the books. Damage numbers, floaty platforming, slow parry slop combat snoozefest, a jumbled mess of abilities stitched down together that barely allows player expression, garbage map and barely any sequence breaking. I find it insane how so many people can enjoy this game. There are better anime metroidvanias like Rabi-Ribi or even TEVI with all of its issues. I can't take people who shill Ender Lilies or Astilbra seriously

Hollow Knight also faced some of these issues but the excellent boss fights that rewarded agression and required tight spacing to beat saved this game from mediocrity. I have played a fuckton of vanias/2d platformers and the only similar bosses I have found to NKG or pure vessel were from retro arcade platformers like megaman or the indie gravity rush

>>719754090
>There are better anime metroidvanias like Rabi-Ribi
lmao

>>719754090
Everything about this post is wrong Except rabi ribi being amazing

>>719719454
fpbp the troons didn't like this one

>>719754090
>Ender lilies
>Parry slop
>Has no story to tell
What in the fuck? Am I being baited?

>>719719386 (OP)
I mean it's the best indie game I've ever played. I can't really think of many that come close and I've played a good amount

>>719719386 (OP)
Ocarina of Time is an 8/10

>>719719386 (OP)
I'm with you, i don't understand the hype at all. Played the original it was decent but forgettable

>>719750809
No one said it was a struggle to find where to go, it's just extremely boring, tedious, and full of backtracking. It completely lacks that sense of direction and subtle guidance of Super Metroid, and features mostly aimlessly wandering (just like you said) with 90% of the paths just being near pointless dead ends, and excruciatingly slow progression/power gain.

>you can do just about everything in the game with just the wall jump and air dash.
that's not even remotely true

>>719754631
Shovel Knight and Fight Knight are better games in the indie knight genre.

>>719753248
As a fellow longtime Metroidvania fan, can you explain what the fuck you see in it? It has none of the momentum physics or tech of Metroid games or Cave Story, and the aesthetic pales in comparison to Castlevania.

>>719723575
>being this right you struck a nerve to the single hollow mid fan trying to hold the fort in the quotes
Holy based. Also captcha lmao
>No thanks

>>719719386 (OP)
Kids are fucking retarded. Their brains aren't finished developing yet. They latch on to shit and make it their whole personality. Youth is wasted on the young.

>>719719386 (OP)
It took an already proven successful formula for a game (metroidvania) and they saw the success of Celeste so they added more precision platforming to keep up with current trends. They made the artstyle incredibly cutesy and comicsans to appeal to casual gamers and made the world design and backgrounds to resemble more of a grimdark soulslike setting to garner interest of the souls fans. Package all of this into a game and market it to a generation that has never played a Metroid or Castlevania game before. Profit.

>>719749429
> "you should stop everything and come back to this one area to do a fight and progress the stor
But you don't have to do that is my point. There's even an achievement for fighting ten bosses before progressing the story even once.

>>719719386 (OP)
there's nintendo bonus and there's trans coded bonus

>>719755215
It's funny because as a Metroidvania and Souls fan, all that the Soulslike trappings did was turn me off because they were such blatant pandering. I don't want to play a super serious brooding deep lore game where I play as a funko pop in his quest to save reddit.

>>719754083
HK is better than Ender Lilies and especially Ender Magnolia thoughbeit.

I'm a bit worried for Silksong considering every good Metroidvania that got a sequel after 1999 ended up being worse than the original. See also: TEVI

>>719754836
I've actually played shovel knight and while it's good I wouldn't say it's on the same level as hollow knight. Never played fight knight

>>719755432
>HK is better than Ender Lilies
I disagree
>and especially Ender Magnolia
I do agree but mostly because magnolia was a step back in basically everything I liked about lilies. Still second best game this year for me

>>719755432
I think it's going to be the Portrait of Ruin to HK's Symphony of the Night
Objectively better but deemed worse due to nostalgia and with more content to boot

>>719719386 (OP)
there aren't that many 8/10 or better games, especially recently. there's only a few of those every year. so that's why it's a big deal

>>719755040
Movement feels great. When you do White Palace and Path of Pain you begin to really appreciate it.

Combat is incredible. Well designed bosses (mostly) accentuate how good the combat is. Nightmare King Grimm is one of my top 3 favorite bosses in any Metroidvania game.

Story and atmosphere. Wandering a post-apocalyptic kingdom adds an air of mystique to the whole thing. It reminds me a lot of Metroid Prime, actually, with The Knight/Samus exploring a recently abandoned kingdom/planet they are heavily related to where they have to undo the seals on a powerful deity that's causing a mutagenic infection to spread throughout the kingdom/planet and seal/kill it for good. Along the way you find bits and bobs of lore that hint at what happened.

Music. It's simply incredible. Honestly, I think it's every bit the equal of Expedition 33's soundtrack.

>>719755604
I find Shovel Knight has better movement, difficulty, aesthetics, and music, and I'm not even that big a fan of it. Fight Knight is fucking great if you like first-person dungeon crawlers, would highly recommend.

>>719755723
>HK dicksucker is also frog sucker
Naruhodo

>>719729758
>>719729880
Ori is unironically better

>>719719386 (OP)
Redditor zoomoids played it when they were 8 years old. They then proceeded to never play another metroidvania but HK is obviously the best in the genre

>>719755824
Why do you get so defensive when someone is explaining why a game is great? Are you upset because you think it means other games you think are good are being called bad by comparison? Feel free to shitpost back at me I know you're not going to reply honestly I'm just killing time until Silksong.

>>719756000
NTA but I think your Expedition 33 namedrop is relevant because that game is to JRPGs as HK is to Metroidvanias.

>>719755734
That's a crazy take. I think about the only one I'd agree with is the better music. Do your thing though you can have your opinions. I actually was following fight knight for a long time but it took so long to release i lost interest. Maybe I'll check it out eventually if you're saying it turned out okay

>>719754201
>its bad because its heckin PROBLEMATIC, amirite my fellow Redditors?

>>719753625
There's only one time I couldn't find the map guy and that was when they locked him behind some kind of barrier that I didn't have the proper upgrade to pass. Other than that Cornifer's pretty great. He hums and leaves his maps around so know where to go. It's just enough help to not be annoying, and maintains the atmosphere and mystique that would be broken with a glowing yellow "GO HERE" icon on your map.

>>719756058
A well done example of both?

>>719756000
It's just shit posting anon why did you have to ruin it with your assmad spiel
>I'm just killing time until Silksong.
Yeah me too I'm replaying deedlit in wonder labyrinth while shitposting. Abusing gambling now because grinding for gold is gay as fuck.

>>719755824
I also love Tears of the Kingdom, Octopath Travelers 1/2, Stardew Valley, Subnautica, Classic Mega Man, and Xenoblade Chronicles X. My tastes are inscrutable.

>>719756213
No, a Western imitation that lacks any real understanding of what made the genre good, with an aesthetic that appeals to normalfags.

>>719756276
>It's bad because it's more popular than the games I like
Heard you loud and clear anon

>>719756338
No, more like it sacrifices or omits the things that made me like the games I like for the sake of mass appeal.

>>719756058
E33 isn't a JRPG, not even close. Turn based RPGs =/= JRPG.

>JRPGs
Dark Souls
Xenoblade Chronicles
Final Fantasy VI
Tales of Vesperia
Elden Ring
Pokemon
Mario & Luigi

>WRPGs
Expedition 33
Skyrim
World of Warcraft
Neverwinter Nights
Mass Effect
Diablo II

>>719756405
I don't need to know about your sex life anon, that's gross.

>>719756443
This anon is a master baiter

>>719756495
I consider myself more of a cunning linguist

>>719756448
Typical normalfag response.

>>719756128
No it's bad because it's not good.

>>719756443
Completely correct. I am still assmad about all the
>Muh e33 de greatest jrpg
Posting. I know half of them were probably bait but still the fact people believed that shit without a hint of irony pisses me off

>>719721120
You started with a criticism of the art style, which is fine, I disagree but that’s only opinion. But then you used that as a jumping off point to better flavor the absolutely shitter take that it’s a bad game because the maps aren’t corridors leading to and from story objectives, which is of course retarded. There’s getting lost in zone because it’s been poorly designed, because it’s meant to be labyrinthine, or because the player is retarded and in this case it’s definitely 2 or 3.

>>719755723
The movement doesn’t feel great. It’s incredibly basic and the lack of momentum makes it totally lack any sense of flow. The celeste spike spam challenges aren’t engaging either

>>719756676
Everything HK fags claim is done well in HK is done better in Rabis game. Rabi ribi is also significantly harder as well for the
>muh difficulty
People

Anybody ever played Afterimage and can tell me if it's any good? I hear it has a monstrously huge world map but the combat is too easy, which honestly sounds pretty good to me because I play metroidvania moreso for exploration and the feeling of being lost in a mysterious world, not the boss fights.

>>719719454
>Three covert religion threads in a row today
This is epic

>>719757008
But it looks retarded

>>719755723
I disagree on the story/atmosphere and on the movement feeling great. The lack of momentum makes it feel really stiff and unnatural. The story and atmosphere are just soooo fromsoft coded that it's hard to appreciate it if you've already been exposed the the magic of dark souls. The one thing I will agree with you on is the music. It's fucking incredible, one of the only vidya OSTs that I listen to regularly.

>>719756887
>better flavor the absolutely shitter take that it’s a bad game because the maps aren’t corridors leading to and from story objectives
No one said that you illiterate ESL subhuman retard

>>719756495
WRPG = Western RPG
JRPG = Japanese RPG

>>719757008
Nobody cares about your shitty game retard lmao

>>719757295
>I don't like it because it is icky and Japanese
Yeah I know. That's about 98% of HK fags

>>719757008
I don't like HK at all.
But I found RR to be boring as hell

I wish it was good

>>719755723
You people all have complete shit taste in music.

>>719757715
Sorry anon, is this more your speed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2vuMLg6BHE

>>719757846
No.

should I uninstall 4chan so i dont get spoilers on silksong release aka 2nd coming of christ?

>>719719386 (OP)
theres most likely some troon discord campaign to shill this game everywhere they can for some fag ass reason.

>>719719454
Yeah.

>>719757846
>Trying to imply the guy who dislikes western music (e33 and HK) likes nigger music

>>719758118
Western music doesn't mean generic orchestral strings.

>>719755432
TEVI isn't really rabi-ribi's successor that would be bunny love and it's never coming out; TEVI was painfully disappointing regardless

>>719758247
I meant to say western game music but it's too late

>>719757715
Post your top 5 vidya OSTs then if you're so great. Hollow Knight, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Touhou 11, Expedition 33, and especially Dungeon Fighter Online are my top 5.

Post underrated Hollow Knight tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVyJmhiJjA8

>>719719386 (OP)
>like it's Ocarina of Time
This is elder god tier bait

>>719721773
If people are genuinely playing HK for the boss fights I have no idea why this game took off at all.
I thought the path of pain was more enjoyable than any of the bosses.

>>719758446
Divinity Original Sin 1, Minstrel Song, SMT DDS1, Ys 3, Lords of Thunder

>>719719386 (OP)
>Its a solid 8/10 but people hype it up like another solid 8/10 game

>>719719386 (OP)
I have literally never seen anyone compare this to Ocarina of Time in terms of relevance or quality.
Also, it's a solid 9/10 actually.

I tried playing this amidst the silksong hype and lasted about an hour before I felt like I was just walking around for no reason

>>719719556
Can you show us on the doll where the game touched your soul?

>>719758518
>The staccato march theme combined with the fluttery flutes simulating both a military march and the flight of bees
This guy is really fucking good at what he does. It's almost wasted on video games.

>>719758735
You gotta use a bit of intuition to figure out where to go. On my first playthrough it took me like 50 minutes to find the first boss and beat him. Then it just clicks.

>>719758818
There is literally no better medium for unique music like that than videogames. Especially once you throw in adaptive music into the mix

>>719758518
>>719758818
Everyone wanks the area themes, Hornet, and Mantis Lords, but I'm a huge fan of Dung Defender and Hive Knight personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkgHqBl12Cg

>>719758593
>Divinity Original Sin 1
Weird that's a new one
>SMT DDS1
SHIT taste. I don't care if he thinks it's his best work it fucking sucks

>>719758864
I beat the false knight

>>719759252
Did you try going to Greenpath?

>>719719454
God is Dead.
>>719724343
>>719726197
>>719743843
God is Dead, retards.

>>719759554
Yes, that's the plot of Hollow Knight.

>>719759007
Muladhara is the best song in the entire Megaten franchise.

>>719719386 (OP)
>wow guys, whats with zoomers worshipping hollow knight, they should be worshipping ocarina of time
its a fucking video game and you shouldnt worship any of them you satanic freaks.

>>719760672
If I had better artistic skills I'd swap out his necklace for the Sonichu Medallion.

i want to fuck vidya bugs

>>719760841
No you don't.

>>719760983
fuck i just fapped

>>719719386 (OP)
this is the same people in the undertale and doki doki literature club with crossover with the persona people

they got into indie gaming with bad taste and will continue to be the most vocal group of retards. they have some sort of minimal trauma (that most people get through) that they make the entirety of their personality.

>>719719386 (OP)
Ocarina of Time is a solid 8.

>>719719454
OK, but why not pick something that is actually good to worship?

>>719761082
Hollow Knight is nothing like those. More people got into indie gaming with Stardew Valley or Terraria.

>>719760983
Very literal title.

>>719761260
I was in a sneedy mood when I saved it

>>719761112
7.5/10, take it or leave it.

>>719761148
Your mistake was thinking that "people" get to pick.
The idols "people" devote themselves to are curated and selected for them before they ever get a choice.
If people weren't told to like Hollow Knight, then no one would play it.

>>719719386 (OP)
it's a paid shilling campaign. surely you're not new here, are you?
it happens with every major release. we don't have IDs so paid shills can come here and get free advertising.
it will die down immediately as soon as the DLC drops.
at that point the posts will go from shilling to coomer posting about hornet and daily hate threads.
just screen cap this and remember this for the future.
if the fucking mods would give us IDs and flags most of this shilling would stop.

>>719761443
It ironically has more of what people who haven't played HK criticize it for. Mindless, tedious wandering across an empty field constantly.

>>719761487
Hollow Knight had a tiny following on launch. I only found out about it because of a /v/ thread, and I purchased it on a whim. One of the best purchases I ever made off of a recommendation.

HK is only popular today because it's a great game. Loads of indie games in the past have been forgotten. No one talks about Braid or Super Meat Boy anymore.

>>719761526
HK sold 20+ million copies and is considered one of the greatest games of all time. Silksong was already funded before HK was even released and is a Kikestarter game. You're not enlightened. You're a dipshit outrage tourist and you need to take a boxcutter and slice into your gooch and leave the physical plane of existence ASAP.

>>719761586
It has more pointless, brainless wandering than does Breath of the Wild.

>>719719386 (OP)
Its way better than Ocarina of Time desu, its a lot more like Majora's Mask which is better than OoT

Silksong is going to be Game of the Year.

t. E33 fan

>>719761157
thank (you) for making my point ;^)

>>719751561
>on repeat playthroughs
why in the ever loving fuck would i repeat a playthrough of this game, and how in the world is it a "particularly good story" if it requires that to make sense of?
that is as pretentious and idiotic as it gets. Bloodborne has a million times better story and doesn't need "repeat playthroughs to get le epic references"

>>719761979
A good story changes on repeat playthroughs/readings.

>>719719386 (OP)
5.5/10 from me senpai

>>719753248
I can relate and also have played all of those games and I would even rate An Untitled Story on masterful difficulty infinitely better than Hollow Knight.

>>719761650
how much do you get paid per post, faggot? who did you get your job? IS you pay per post or do you get hourly? how do you prove your posting? i want to be paid to shill you worthless piece of shit

>>719719386 (OP)
I'm only playing 2D games at this point. 3D games in 2025 are basically movies, not games. They are more about sitting and watching and listening to a "narrative" then actually pushing buttons and playing the goddamn game. Metroidvanias are a lot more fun than this survival horror dogshit and whatnot

>>719719556
This.

>>719755723
>Movement feels great. When you do White Palace and Path of Pain you begin to really appreciate it.

sorry anon but no. it's incredibly basic and doesn't feel good or special in any way. i'm tired

>>719762151
I wouldn't. Hollow Knight hits all the right chords for me. Great gameplay, story, level design, world design, soundtrack, and boss fights. It's got the whole package.

it is a little overrated but whats important is that its a fully interactive game and not AAA ray traced netflix slop

>>719719556
>let hollowchads
you mean reddditors. the game is literally redddit. and so are you. back to your r/sub fuckface and don't come here again

>>719762507
>story
lol LMAO
YOU DID IT REDDIT

>>719719386 (OP)
Just started the game up for the first time today because someone gifted it to me years ago and I just remembered I had it with all the Silksong hype everyone else is into. I don't really get it, so far. Gameplay is pretty standard so far, with some weirdness like the slowdown and muffled audio when you get hit, and other than that it really wants to have this heavy, epic dark fantast atmosphere, but everything is actually super cartoony but with the brightness and saturation kicked way down. The game starts with sad piano music, a poem, and then a large headed goofy stick figure skull emoji chibi man with a head larger than his body scuttling into frame on his peg legs, and I feel like I'm supposed to be taking it seriously but I just can't. I'm only like 5 minutes in, to be fair, but it's kind of grating and my patience for things that take themselves seriously while being fundamentally unserious is pretty low.

>>719762338
Basic =/= bad. It feels exactly like I'd want it to. I never feel like I didn't have complete and total control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5EUUB5_HwY

Challenges like these just feel so good to complete because of how much control you have.

>>719762643
I have never and will never use R*ddit. Hollow Knight has a good story.

>>719762694
the designs are meant to be kind of cute and appealing, when the game wants you to take it particularly seriously things will shift. Just try to have fun with it instead of trying to feel how you think it wants you to feel and it'll be a way better time

>>719762694
it really grew on me when you start collecting items and powers. its the sense of progression that I enjoy, and its the same reason i hate roguelikes

>>719762746
>It feels exactly like I'd want it to. I never feel like I didn't have complete and total control.

That's exactly why it's bad. Games are supposed to be a challenge that you overcome, not something you are in 100% in control of and it plays out exactly like you want. That is complete misunderstanding of games and their movement, which is very common among HK zoomers. It leads to easy and boring and stiff games, which Hollow Knight is unless you're not a gamer or are handicapped or something.
You could play fucking shmups if this is what you want (I do and I love the genre), in a PLATFORMER GAME movement like this is fucking retarded and goes against the entire point why the game is 2D and why there is gravity. Literal Super Mario 1 already realized this, you think they couldn't have had a precise, instant momentum like HK does? Turns out it's not a good idea because it's boring and the only way to then develop challenge is spam the screen with saws and spikes. And there's zero mastery of the movement. It's just "Press X when close to Y", get good at timing jumps and dashes.

And when it comes to Path of Pain, it was nothing special, really. I think it took me like 20 minutes to complete and it was just.. boring. Didn't "feel good", felt basic and boring as fuck just like the entirety of the game's "platforming". I'm pretty sure I could do a hitless run of it now pretty easily if I booted up the game because I've got it memorized.

All in all "mastering" this game's movement doesn't feel good because there's literally nothing to master.

>>719763105
What do roguelikes have to do with anything?

>>719762973
Well, that's retarded. The game is already trying to make me take it seriously and everything about the designs and artstyle is working against that. I haven't discovered any core gameplay elements yet that make it more interesting on that level, either, so I'm probably going to drop it soon unless something changes a lot very soon.

>>719763105
This is literally every Metroidvania under the sun except they aren't paced like a bootleg Zelda game.

>>719754090

As someone who 100% both ender games, they are truly examples of overrated. Both are 7/10 games. Some of the most floaty movement and combat. iFrames are stupidly massive as well that combat even on Hard is very basic. Lots of equipment and skill but no reason to use any of it.

Probably the most enjoyable thing was blindly discovering the floaty relic that let you effectively fly while attacking midair in between chaining dashes, letting you begin sequence breaking from 30% into the game.

>>719743843
Atheism is not a religion, but the people who claim to be one sure act like zealots.

>>719758024
If they do it for free, they really are competing with jannies for most pathetic creature on earth.

>>719763174
in roguelikes youre playing the same game over and over again, there is no satisfying progression

>>719761650
>Doesnt deny it
Try harder saarnigger

>>719763783
I have no idea what the fuck you're on, lategame roguelikes are nothing like earlygame roguelikes.

>>719719454
Religion is trannycoded.
>>719760672
He didnt say anything about worship you tranny bitch

>>719763783
roguelikes are about gaining knowledge and skill rather than external rewards, the gameplay of someone 1 and 30 hours into any good roguelike is going to be drastically different, and the same would apply to 30 and 100

>>719762902
Hollow Knight has no fucking story. Just like Dark Souls has no fucking story. Go fucking figure. It's almost like it ripped off Dark Souls in every aspect.

>>719766571
Story is extremely overrated.
Story means being stuck in endless blabbering npcs expository dialogues that stop you from playing the game.

Something terrible happened and your job is to eventually fix it all by playing the game.

>>719762338
>I'm tired
You're depressed. You cannot derive enjoyment from things you used to like.

>>719763172
baffling take, I'd rather play a game that feels natural and challenges me on that natural movement than a game I have to wrestle with to begin with, getting over it has really popularized qwoplikes if that's your sort of thing

>>719719454
Europe lost WW2 and they destroyed Christianity as a result.

Notice how Judaism, Protestantism, and the atheist "Popes" no longer care about historical or theological coherence and just make shit up now.

>>719729641
God of war is good, awesome story, barely any pandering, great combat, tons of content arguably one of the best AAA games to come out in the past decade, pretty much the only thing Sony had going for it before they let steam and microsoft cuck them.

What I wouldn't give to be able to get away with stomping on a /v/irgins head until they stomped moving

>>719719454
And you fancy yourself a nu-prophet.
Pa.
The.
Thic.

Because video games are a dead medium now with them being popular in the mainstream where it's exclusively about being part of a discussion and not how good a game actually is

Palworld, Black Myth Wukong, Undertale, Expedition 33, the countless streamer slop games that are popular for a week and then never heard of again (Peak, Lethal Company, Content Warning, etc)

Unfortunately your average player is buying a game because they want to talk about it with their friends so they aren't left out of the conversation, not about the quality of the game itself. Prepare to see countless games that would be considered a 7/10 in 2007 to be hailed as the new best game in it's genre by redditers and casuals until the conversation dies and the next game comes out they can latch onto for the foreseeable future

>>719767212
More that the horrors of WW2 made Europeans realize God no longer cares about what happens on Earth

>>719769210
Nope, I am a worthless worm, all the prophets are waiting for you in the Holy Bible. Read it and surrender before the wheels turn any further.

>>719769608
What a little niglet loser with a little niglet loser of a reply.
You must have been 2 years old in 2007 or something.
GoTY that year was bioshock which was just a dumbed down imsim and close second was mw1.

Hollow knight as a solid 7/8 still shits all over them, gen 7 is nigh unbeatable in terms of ass. Kill yourself.

>>719719386 (OP)
>It's a solid 8/10
On release.
In current year full of indian assisted UE5 slop it's 10/10

>>719769992
>Anime reaction poster
Didn't read anything you said

>>719769898
>oh. my. heavens. I must now christianlarp
cycled back to being worse than reddit atheists

>>719770126
Nah I have a feeling you read enough of it to get mad about it. Hence why I have something to reply to.

>>719763172
you must really hate megaman

>>719770126
you're on an anime website buddy

>>719749803
Rabi Ribi is too hard for me, it's a platformer bullet-hell first and foremost. Great game still

>>719755879
Ori is "better" in that it drip feeds you dopamine hit upgrades every 15 minutes of play and doesn't encourage exploration beyond the linear intended path and your attention span has rotted away to need your game structured like this. The second Ori game was better purely because they took heavy inspiration from Hollow Knight but it still doesn't even get close because the same fundamental issues remain. There are better Metroidvanias out there, but you somehow still managed to pick one of the worst options.

Just got to pure vessel, am I gonna make it in time?

>>719771194
Alright looking good.

>>719761865
There is zero chance Silksong will win. Never has a game received as much acclaim as Expedition 33 from a completely new studio.

>>719766896
Nigger when he made his post it is 11-2am in burger land on a work night

>>719772138
His posts reeked of the stuff
He's up late posting coal because he's depressed. Simple as pie

>>719719454
this triggers the euphoric bugmen

>>719762234
>>719763832
>nooooo don't relay facts to me reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Why are you such a mindless drone? HK's status as a GOAT and a fanbase 20+ million strong explains the hype you're seeing everywhere. Exactly how dumb are you? Indian-tier?

>>719719386 (OP)
Silksong is going to be the masterpiece Hollow Knight failed to be. No way the first one tops shit like SoTN or Super Metroid

>>719769992
TF2 prime 3 halo 3 and portal were all significantly better than cod and BioShock.

>>719752042
I want to smash your fucking head with a hammer. pedo sadist subhuman nigger.

>>719748319
Gibberish reply.

>>719772959
Not him but monkeys give me that reaction as well. I love animals and even take the time to care for injured insects but monkeys and apes make my brain go monkey mode and want to strangle them

>>719726851
kys chartnigger

>>719772940
>tf2
no, not at release
>prime 3
when metroid tried to become halo?
>halul
lul
>portal

Those being the heavy hitters of gen 7 really says something. Either way true quality =/= what they were considered back then. Hence Bioshock winning the fucking goty.

>>719773183
You have an underdeveloped amygdala
Which means you are a pedo sadist and want to hurt cute harmless humanoids to seek gratification from their suffering.
you are subhuman.

>>719719386 (OP)
It's just the devs spamming

>>719719386 (OP)
troons

>>719719386 (OP)
Faggot cucks known as millenitroons and AGP-infested zoomers are latching onto a next big thing that will make them feel good about their pathetic lives.

>>719719386 (OP)
zoomies didnt play Metroid or Castlevania, its really simple as that

doesnt a sequel with a different protag completely undermine the other game

>>719743843
tradcaths replaced fedora atheists and chud gamers are replacing sjws

>>719775147
But actual troons like Kassfag dislike Hollow Knight.

>>719719454
Fpbp. Believe in Jesus Christ and he will give you joy you never thought possible.

>>719763172
wtf I fucking hate how Mario games have this almost soap like movement, you always glide on shit it's annoying as fuck

the backtracking in the game is fucking awful

>>719775752
...they're saying the exact opposite of what a fedora would say, nitwit
>>719743843
Then best pack up your behind and go to /r/atheism, bucko. We had decades of your nothing matters and everything sucks nihilism. The world has now rejected it. Also you will never be a woman.
>>719775384
He has, friend

>>719775635
idk you usually revisit an area when you get the needed movement upgrade to progress, you also unlock shortcuts to make future revisits faster

>>719719454
Yup. Always hilarious to me when fedoras believe they aren't dogmatic, lol

I don't get the appeal but the game is solid. Personally I find the style and interactions kind of boring.

>>719719386 (OP)
In a sea of "comfy" 6/10 indie games, it does stand out

>>719721336
>I also genuinely don't get the hype
It's hyped just for the sake of being hyped. The normalfags just turned it into a FOTM meme. The majority of them have never even touched Hollow Knight.

>>719775968
it doesn't have robust and fun movement that opens up as well as other games like Ori or Telsagrad 2.
it has very few mechanics and very stiff and primitive movement that's super boring to backtrack with.

playing it with no walk of shame mod bring it from a 5/10 to a 7/10 for me

>>719719386 (OP)
No idea, I played it and dropped the game around the point I unlocked the dream nail.
It's a good game, but not for me. Perhaps I'll revisit and try it again someday. The music was nice at the very least.

>>719719386 (OP)
>It's a solid 8/10 but people hype this shit up like it's a solid 8/10.
I don't really get your argument, OP.

>>719719386 (OP)
i liked it enough to beat the godmaster ending so it's a 10/10 for me. the theming is neat, the characters are cool, the story is engaging, the music is great, bosses are fun, op is a faggot

>>719719454
Let me guess. I should worship a middle-eastern kike on a stick?

>>719776461
>FOTM
>almost a decade old game

>>719719386 (OP)
8/10 is pretty good.

>>719776913
I'm talking about the 'le Silksong never ever' meme, not Hollow Knight itself.

>>719776970
Oh yeah. I understand what you mean.

I feel really isolated from all that discourse, mostly due to having a job and simply playing hollow knight when it released (and not even finishing it).

Its just a good 8/10 game with some deserved hype.

>>719776904
Would you prefer to worship Thors hammer?

No one tell OP Ocarina of Time is a 7/10 but people hype it up like it's Super Metroid

>>719747590
>>719749623
It really wasn't, it just had a ton of marketing and sales so some devs imitated it to save money on experimenting and trying to market that experiment

It's like saying Ubisoft open worlds were revolutionary since their style dominated the 2010s including Nintendo/Zelda open worlds, when their open world style is ass and only done because it's cheaper than imitating GTA or TES or trying to invent your own

>>719719454
Isn't this like the theme in the game

>>719777414
go back

>>719777414
But reddit hates religion and would hate that post...?

>>719777465
>>719777502
reddit loves these pseudo intellectual brainlet takes

>>719721419
>Every pixel is hand-drawn
Incorrect, the game is not pixel art
>no AI
Let me guess it also doesn't kick you in the balls, how nice
>every fluent 60 fps animation is hand made
60FPS animation is not impressive on an art style this barebones
>sound design is superb
It's okay
>unique vision (go on, show me another post apocalyptic bug game)
A dark and gloomy post apocalyptic dead fantasy world game? In the 2010s? How original!
>solid character design that isn't overdesigned and you can guess every character by silhouette alone
The character design and the general design philosophy are barebones repetitive dogshit
>etc etc. It's not 8/10, it's 20/10.
Lmao
>It set the bar in the genre of metroidvanias so high that nobody can reach it
It didn't even reach Super Metroid level

>>719719454
LOL. Log off jordon peterson

>>719777513
But the post is tangentially pro-religion and le reddit bacon would hate that

>>719721417
>baiting him to get him to post his favourite game so we can shit on it instead
cheeky

>>719719386 (OP)
sounds like witcher 3

>>719777145
You mean Ukko.

>>719719454
Honestly based just for making faggots seethe.

>>719722752
Valdis Story
The Igavanias starting from Aria of Sorrow
Megaman ZX
Nine Sols
Even the salt and sanctuary games have a more interesting system thanks to the build variety and weapon choice
Metroid Dread
PoP Lost Crown

HK is very basic in term of combat. It's better than metroidvanias not focusing on combat but it's far from being special.

>>719749675
>Dark Souls
>Prime
Just say you want shit load of content, but don't bring non linear 3D game in the discussion. 2D has its own set of rules in term of level design and HK is extremely barebones on this point.
Just check what ambitious level design means with Rain World, Environmental Station Alpha, La Mulana, Super Metroid, Rabi Ribi, Harmony of Dissonance, SotN, or even Axiom Verge. Stacking 2D levels with basic jump-dash- double jump moveset is par for the course if not subpar. The only hidden technique in HK is the pogo stick sequence break, but it's not enough in a genre about level design and movement.

>>719719386 (OP)
>Ocarina of Time
kek fucking tendies I swear to god

>>719719386 (OP)
explain ocarina of time to me. It's like 6/10 by today standards even ignoring the low fidelity and framerate and focusing design only.

>>719721419
there are no 60 fps animations in the game retard, ther earen't even 24 fps, they all classic 12 fps

>>719778603
It was the only game a large part of the American kid audience had in the 90s so they played it over and over again and developed an unhealthy attachment to it

>>719778730
as a sonic fan, your explanation makes complete sense to me

>>719751605
Soulsfags are so cringe it's insane

>>719778603
Majora is a 10/10 btw, but this

>>719719386 (OP)
>cheap indie passion passion project
>memorable bosses
>ambience
>art style
>music
>tight gameplay
>different builds
>hidden stuff
>lore

it's like the perfect game or almost perfect

I hate metroidvanias and 2d stuff but this is an exception

I never beat the radiance boss. I was just so tired of the game by the end that I didn't care

>>719778513
>pogo stick sequence break
ahaha what
you should try actually playing or at least knowing anything about the games you speak of

>>719719386 (OP)
This the Super Mario Bros of our generation. We endured a decade of woke slop for this. Gamechanger. Games will be refered to as b.s. and a.s. (before and after Silksong).

>>719727984
>You’re always playing exactly how the devs want you to, with no real freedom.
This, but metroid dread

>ACTUALLY this thing everyone loves is…le bad!
Why did this posting only pick up after the silksong reveal? Surely it’s not just shazamfagging because a game is organically popular?

>>719784790
where do you think you are newfag

>>719719478
>20 bucks
>44 hours playtime
Ehhh I've seen way better?

>>719719386 (OP)
i remember playing like, 10 hours of this game. It was good, but the way people talk about this game makes me think that i played something else. I still prefer sotn even though that game is a too easy, but at least there are cool secrets.

>>719784790
>>ACTUALLY this thing everyone loves is…le bad!
>8/10 = bad

>>719784790
Who is this "everyone" anon

>>719719386 (OP)
It's cheap for a 8/10

>>719719478
TF2 and DOTA are free and i have 1000s of hours

>>719719454
Posts like this prove my theory that this site is just reddit but without accounts

>>719785926
ok zoomie, how old are you? No one born before 2005 plays TF2 or DOTA

>>719721609
the wait is a major factor, this is the duke nukem forever of indie games. (although i assume it'll actually be good).

>>719719386 (OP)
Oot was 6/10 though

>>719786238
i started playing TF2 before you knew how to use the internet faggot

>>719778603
Good atmosphere, good music, and good dungeons. It's pretty flawed and it's by no means the best game of all time but it's pretty good.

>>719763172

I've been following this conversation and I absolutely agree with you. I always drop HK after a while and never bother to finish it and this is one of the reasons the game doesn't hook me in. I don't think it feels satisfying to control. There's no gravity or finnesse to it.
Even metroid games, for as floaty as they are, have innertia to them and it feels satisfying to build up speed in order to make crazy long jumps, along with having somewhat limited walljumping either in the form of an uncomfortable input in super metroid or disabling jumping continuously on the same wall in later games.

HK does nothing with this. Might aswell just plug a mouse and drag the main character around the screen with it. No wonder they have to put spikes everywhere and make bosses fill the screen with shit in order to make you pay mind to something.

But again I liked Rain World a lot better than this so I guess it's a matter of taste.

It's hard to imagine SS to be as revered as HK

oh well, one can always go and play better games like Ori

Bump.