Thread 719719734

videogames can't make tough provoking moral conundrums

>>719719734 (OP)
solved it

>>719719734 (OP)
If i kill them all there is no moral issue.

>>719719734 (OP)
uhhh...

>>719719734 (OP)
>Push the fat man
Reminder, this is the plot of Prey

You have no obligation to save them. If you pull the lever, you're actively killing a man. If you do nothing, it would be no different than if you were never even there

>>719719734 (OP)
Conundrum?

>>719719734 (OP)
Kill 1 vs kill 5

Oh so difficult. Yes you are killing 5 by inaction.

>>719719734 (OP)
>click click click click click

>>719724336
lol

>>719719842
fpbp

>>719719734 (OP)
>videogames can't make tough provoking moral conundrums
What titles from other media can?

>>719719734 (OP)
Flip the track and then flip it back after the first set of wheels turn

>>719719734 (OP)
Pull the lever and you're an accomplice to murder, since you took a voluntary action knowing that it would kill someone. AND you're tampering with public transport equipment you're not authorized to touch
Leave it and you're just a bystander

>>719726525
>a hotel where everytime a new customer arrive, you have to change room to accommodate them
Sounds like a very shitty hotel.

>>719723821
If you touch the lever and one person dies as a result you are legally a murderer.
If you ignore the lever and five people die as a result you are legally a bystander.

>>719726485
>>719727089

>>719726818
Why don't they just send the new guest to the infinitieth room

>>719719734 (OP)
>Trolley
This is outdated.
>A Tesla with full-self-driving containing a family of 5 is about to pancake itself Looney Toons style against a fake tunnel painted onto a sturdy wall, killing all inside. None of the family knows this is a possibility, but you know it because you've seen that meme.
>You can push a child doomscrolling Twitter into the path of the vehicle and it will come to a full stop in front of the child before continuing on, running over and surely killing the child, but also reducing its speed enough to make the subsequent impact against the wall survivable
>Do you push the child, saving 5 but killing 1?

>>719727329
there are infinities bigger than others
imagine that you have infinite number on integer number rooms, but infinite number of integer+decimal guests

>>719719734 (OP)
This isn't a real moral question. It's an autistic pseudo-moral puzzle designed to demoralise young university students into accepting a debased consequentialism, one that will make them unblinking slaves to the current regime. It's what happens when STEMdrones infiltrate the Humanities.

>>719727603
>what happens when STEMdrones infiltrate the Humanities.
humanities were the ones that supported female suffrage

>>719727515
>imagine that you have infinite number of integer number rooms, but infinite number of integer+decimal guests
I think at that point you've moved from a philosophical question to a murder mystery.
But is there sufficient room for the detective?

>>719727289
>Commit another murder, this time in front of a judge
Surely you'd learn your lesson the second time if you're on trial for the first murder

>>719727515
Hilbert hotel is only about countable infinities. There are an integer number of rooms and an integer number of guests. An uncountably infinite number of guests (such as one guest for every real number) wouldn't fit in the hotel no matter how you move them.
However, funny thing is all countable infinities are the same size. If you have one room for every positive integer and one guest for every positive AND negative integer you can still fit every guest in the hotel even though there are twice as many guests as rooms.

>>719727515
>decimal guests
It's a popular vacation destination for families with 2.33 children

>>719727896
A trial doesn't imply guilt.

>>719727896
Who are they gonna believe, a judge or a guy with a lever?

>>719719734 (OP)
https://files.catbox.moe/y8b5ru.mp4

>>719729245
>native pop
>"please save my wifes boyfriend"

>>719729603
you misspelled boyfriends

.......six billion people....

>>719727398
>self-driving
They deserve to get pancaked. Should have learned to drive a real car, ideally with a manual transmission.

>>719719734 (OP)
I think they can, but the trolley problem is not one of them. It is inherently a what-if situation, the moment you actually run through the scenario it falls apart because there are no actual consequences and no actual decisions made.

The problem with morality systems in video games is a well-studied one: the evil option is practically always a joke and/or only there to lend meaning to the good choice (which everyone is practically expected to make). Don't quote me on this but I think it was a KotOR dev who said they simply did not put much effort into the dark side options because they were basically only picked as a part of an over the top only evil choices run. Might have been someone else.

I'm pretty sure even cartel assassins mostly pick good guy options in video games.

>>719719734 (OP)
I walk away

>>719731659
because that's what no one did

>>719719734 (OP)
The right are Jews so I choose the right rail

>>719731909
Sorry bro, I am already too far away to hear you

>>719730952
Alpha protocol is an amazing outlier for evil options.
>"Bring back the leader alive"
>Confront him
>He gives up
>You don't like his shit
>"PSSSCHHTTT oh uh commander the line is going bad"
>Smiles and draws a gun to shoot baddie who pleads for his life
>BLAM
>"What happened, we heard gunshots??"
>"He went for a hidden gun :)"
>"DAMNIT we needed him alive, damn shame"
>Extra fun intro to that level as well where you can read up on the leader "hating jokes and always plays it straight" so when you roll up to his guards entering the compound you can just say "I'm here to meet your leader, we have an appointment so let me through" and they will do just that. Paraphrased.

>>719731909
I would have listened to the train and what he had to say

>>719732259
please

You can't have an instance of moral plight if you aren't allowed immoral indulgence.

That said im insect brained, all comes at the expense of everyone, for my benefit. Now if you'll excuse me I'll be raping the anon below me