Thread 719729348

The game had zero resource management unlike earlier games.
It was way too easy.
Every outpost could be attacked from every angle because they were slap bang in the middle of an empty open world.
You had tranq versions of every weapon class: tranq rifles, tranq snipers, sleep grenades, etc.
Way too easy to distract enemies with decoys and other MB R&D equipment.

This is a REAL stealth survival sim where you can't just ask Pequod to resupply you every time your suppressor breaks.

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>>719729348 (OP)
Pequod doesn't resupply you dumbass. Guess you didn't play the game.

>>719729621
Get fucked
https://youtu.be/0QmOEcBV9qk?si=8HdZ6TSvtgVKrJOV

>>719729348 (OP)
who cares about mgs
MGS2 was when kojima put the knife in the fans backs. MGS3 he pulled it away slightly only to shove it deep inside when he shat out MGS4.
Fuck Kojina. Fuck MGS. Fuck you.

>>719729863
MGS2 was good. Don't tell me you got filtered.

>>719729794
Those are supply crates dropped from a plane, probably the same planes used to grab the things you fulton out. There's no indication that it's Pequod, and Pequod is never shown to have combat supplies. Counter fucked.

>>719730041
No it fucking wasnt. That guy was absolutely right. Youre a pretentious idiot that is wowed by vomit word salad trying to be deep.

>>719730120
>MGS2 FILTERED ME WAH WAH ABLOO ABLOO
Shut the fuck up.

>>719729348 (OP)
Didn't you start MGS3 with a silenced tranq gun? And you could farm infinite animals which functioned like decoys if you wanted to. Both games are very low in difficulty. Difficulty does not equal quality either.

>>719729348 (OP)
Did they change up the gameplay in delta or something? I don't think I've ever run out of silencers or tranq darts in MGS3, at least on hard and below difficulties.

You pretty much have to force yourself to never use silenced weapons for it to be any kind of challenging, or for 90% of the items to actually matter. Granted that's been the case for all games past MGS1.

>>719729348 (OP)
>slap bang
I have only ever seen ESLs use this.

>>719729348 (OP)
What Delta reveals most of all is that Metal Gear is fully dead.

>>719730439
Just admit that it was fucking dogshit and theres a reason they didnt do it again. It was like a cold fucking shower.

>>719730553
They say that most people on earth are ESLs

>>719730443
Every MGS game apart from 1 does that. Play on European Extreme.

>>719730553
Americans tend to be ESLs these days, yeah.

>>719730605
>theres a reason they didnt do it again
They did it twice actually, once in 2 and once in 5.
4 as an MGS game is pretty much just a continuation of everything 2 set up.

>>719729348 (OP)
you can refill by going to outposts, but thays true

>>719730605
>>719730987
Also Rising, so they actually did it three times.

>>719730987
Yeah, but in 5 youre still playing as practically Big Boss. They didnt fucking replace snake with a god damned woman looking twink. And then tell you your genes arent important. Thats some of Their propaganda right there. Total bullshit

>>719731175
>youre still playing as practically Big Boss.
>And then tell you your genes arent important
Anon...

>>719731348
Yeah, he looks and plays like Big boss. Nothing about the product was really shorted. A snake is a snake. Period.

>>719731413
The whole point of 5 is that Big Boss isn't special because of his genes, because some random medic can do the exact same things he can (and even do it somewhat better).
5 revisits the same themes as 1.

>>719731705
Yeah but they didnt fucking ruin the game by making you play as a woman looking man. Stop referencing something people didnt even pay attention to. MGS2 just sucked. They lied to customers because even they knew you wouldnt like it. Simple

>>719729348 (OP)
The good part of MGSV is GZ

1. you don't just have all of that stuff. You have to research and develop it
2. you can unlock broken shit in 3 as well
3. the single most overpowered ability in any MGS is just learning how to stealth and CQC. Fire-arms are for shitters.

>>719731772
>oh no... not the playable twink!! anything but that!!
So you don't play many Japanese games then?

>>719731705
theres no real background on him but he isnt some 'random medic' he is a veteran soldier presumably with hundreds of hours of combat experience, he was respected and trusted enough by big boss & miller to be in his close circle, with miller & ocelot going along with the facade even

>>719732101
That was pretty much played by americans who liked snake and playing as a strong relatable person. Its like ordering a burger and getting kale on it instead of beef. Fuck off

>>719732048
>the single most overpowered ability in any MGS is just learning how to stealth and CQC
Said like someone who hasn't played any of these games on their highest difficulty.
Stealth and CQC won't save you in half the boss fights in MGS3 especially Volgin's, it's a gimmick in The Joy/The Boss's boss fight and that's about it.

>>719729348 (OP)
if you play MGSV like an actual stealth game and not just run and tranq everyone, it is actually fun to play and can be challenging. part of the reason why it's so easy to people is because they unlock everything and just kill everyone they see.

>>719732329
I tried to play it like that but everytime without fail some random guy 100m away would spot me when I un-prone to crouch and then a chain of tranqs has to happen after

>>719732298
what good is a tranq rifle in the Volgin fight?

>>719729348 (OP)
I'm glad people on /v/ finally stopped dick riding kojima and will admit how trash 5 is

>>719732426
free thinker over here with a negative opinion og mgsv

>>719732406
None, that's my point. Stealth is impossible in Volgin pt1 and CQC is relegated to just creating opportunities to shoot him, Volgin pt2 CQC and stealth is impossible because he's riding the Shagohod.

>>719732572
so how does that relate to V being too easy because it has a tranq rifle?
Both games are split into their stealth parts, and their boss fights.

>>719730114
Where are the runways on Mother Base for those planes, retard? There aren't any. Only a bunch of landing pads because everything is done by chopper. Miller even said they use them for fulton extraction in PW and there's no reason to think it changed.

>>719732389
then reload checkpoint and try again learning enemy patterns

>"bu but i don't wanna "

and this is why stealth games are dead

>>719732997
I'm not sure who you think you're talking to or what you're referring to?
I was just refuting what you said about CQC and stealth, because if you can only use them in regular gameplay, they're not overpowered.
OP has a point about MGSV being too easy though because the general gameplay outside of boss fights is much easier. There's also less boss fights in V.

>>719729348 (OP)
Delta Is trash, Imagine replacing an og animation with this!

>>719734409
>>719734338
based

>>719729348 (OP)
I think it's the opposite actually, people are realizing how dull MGS3 was all along.

>>719734409

Now that I think about it, is there any other moments in the game where you have to walk the edge of a cliff? I don't remember having to do it in the mountain area or anything.

>>719734869
>is there any other moments in the game where you have to walk the edge of a cliff?
>Nah
>so let's do a crappy animation for this then
>What, they actually tried to do good job In 2004?
>Nevermind this, modern gaymers will eat shit and praise our lazy ass demaster
This Is why we can't have nice things. Because of people like you. Now feel the inconsistent input lag when you're spamming R2 or running around. This Is total disaster.

>>719735429

what the fuck are you talking about man

>>719735585
I'm talking about shitty Konami's job

>>719730114
aren't they doing fulton recovery with helicopters too? i could've sworn that was stated somewhere

MGS3 is bad and woke now because it has feminist women in it

>>719735657
This image was taken from a mod restoring the original assets they took from Silent Hill 3.
https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsoliddeltasnakeeater/mods/65

What point are you trying to make?

>>719736328
I think you're stupid.

I just remembered, they censored the tittle in the secret theater..
it used to be called metal gear STUPID
are people that fucking sensitive where you can't call something stupid?!

>>719737694
>are people that fucking sensitive where you can't call something stupid?!
yes

>>719737694
wtf I thought that was Metal Gear Sigint and it was censored because it would spoil the Sigint part, was it actually called Metal Gear Stupid

>people acting like mgs3 is hard and requires stealth
You guys are funny sometimes.

>>719729348 (OP)
>resource management in MGS3
Most people don't play on Extreme, so they never have to manage resources.

>>719738089
nope, it used to be called stupid back in subsistence

>>719729348 (OP)
MGSV gives you the greatest amount of options and tools to use. Its up to you if you want to use them or not

>>719738089
It is, the guy is a poser that posts a thumbnail from a fucking youtube video. In game UI it was called Metal Gear S...

>>719738547
>>719738820
Actually now that you post this, am I just a retard that is completely making up a secret theater movie? I thought there was a movie called Metal Gear Sigint and Sigint was taking all of the glory of Operation Snake Eater while Snake watched and seethed the whole time.

>>719739117
That Metal Gear Stupid logo appears in a completely different secret video called Payback.
The S... video is the one with Sigint.

im more interested in the origin of Coward Duck also known as Dirty Duck

>>719729348 (OP)
Zoomers are ignoring the MGS3 Remake because it's a shitty movie.
MGSV has retained a playerbase for a reason

>>719729348 (OP)
>This is a REAL stealth survival sim
No it fucking isnt, you stupid casual.
You want a stealth sim? Play ArmA 3, not this casual UE5 slop.
MGS has always sucked at stealth, only modded MGSV gets close to that

>>719729348 (OP)
GZ was my first MGS, I liked it, but when I got to PP I just lost all interest
the fucking freeroam openworld is just fucking trash

>>719729348 (OP)
MGS3 was by far the easiest game in the series even on extreme. The tranq gun is so OP and you have it for most of the game. Delta actually adds a modicum of difficulty by nerfing it with bullet drop in the new control scheme. But even then it's still pretty powerful. Tranq guns in general shouldn't have been added.

I think metal gear is a shit franchise. I liked rising since Kojima had nothing to do with it. 5 was okay since they used tolerable controls with it.
Would I like 3 delta?

>>719731175
>And then tell you your genes arent important.
>American literacy

>>719729348 (OP)
>>719742569
Thankfully /v/'s garbage opinions are completely irrelevant, because the MGS remasters and Delta flopped hard while MGSV still has almost 5000 players daily a decade after release.

>>719732329
>the game is balanced if you ignore 99% of the content and game mechanics

>>719729348 (OP)
To enjoy MGSV fully you have to throw out the tranq gun entirely.

>>719743360
>>719732389
Install Infinite Heaven and give guards realistic vision.
It's that easy.

>>719743045
>Huh, the game that is 40 hours in length with online multiplayer has more concurrent players than the games that are single player only and only 8 hours. Wonder why that is!

>>719743480
Fucking no one plays the multiplayer.
MGSV has a steady playerbase for the same reason it still gets gameplay compilations, it centered on the gameplay and not on the cutscenes.
Also, that doesn't explain the low all time peaks.

>>719743618
FOB raids are still a massive thing. People absolutely play the multiplayer.

MGS3 Delta is a remake and isn't going to be as popular as MGSV which was an entirely new entry at the time, that still doesn't make it a flop

>>719744257
How is the FOB shit multiplayer? You'll only face a defender like one every 100 matches.
FOB is played because it's the highest difficulty part of the game.

>>719744475
Players build dynamic fortresses that other players can invade for high difficulty and great rewards, occasionally fighting eachother directly. Seems like multiplayer to me

>>719729348 (OP)
Kek are you serious? Delta is 100 times easier than mgs5. The game is basically a shooting gally because the AI responds to you so slowly and needs to be so close

>>719744630
>dynamic
The layout is pre determined, all you can pick are the placements of some mines.
>great rewards
Barely, the PF League is a better source of soldiers and resources.
And again, you'll almost never face another player.
Metal Gear Online is the MP

>>719730114
maybe in Peace Walker but not in Phantom Pain

>>719729348 (OP)
>zoomers don't have self control

okay

>>719731705
pretty sure they said he was supposed to represent your best soldier in PW or maybe that was BS fan canon

>>719736221
me when I jerk myu peanits and it explodes I call it the BIG CUM

>>719736221
>knife just teleports into snakes hand in the original
not a good example

>>719737694
You're a fucking retard that one is Metal Gear Sigint, Metal Gear Stupid is called payback

>>719743045
Yep, MGSV won

>>719745226
damn I really enjoyed the MGSV MP before the fucking sweats arrived

>>719745326
It's not the multiplayer

MGSV was honestly a waste. Great controls and core mechanics, but wasted on the most boring open world slop that felt like it served no purpose but to be a big selling point on a box. I'd sooner play MGS4 or 3 any day of the week again, both because I can actually reasonably complete them in that week without hours upon hours of grinding and pre-emptively churning out the Kikongo speakers, but also because they're properly structured games that have good content in them, even despite 4's fuckery and cutscene ratio.

Fuck it, give me a Peace Walker "remake", give it the Delta treatment. That game would require one more than 3 ever did. THAT is a better game than TPP.

>>719745513
Thank god these opinions are irrelevant.
MGSV is the only MGS that's fun

>>719729348 (OP)
>Every outpost could be attacked from every angle because they were slap bang in the middle of an empty open world.
That's a good thing.

>It was way too easy.
It was too easy because the ai is retarded, dumb, and blind. The game would have been massively better by changing this. But I've heard that there are mods that do exactly that noe, so PC wins again I guess.

If you want actually hard stealth gameplay, try the stealth missions in arma cold war crisis

Or maybe we crave more than the prescriptive combat design of the boomer game?

>>719729863
You weren't even there, Zoomie.
People were annoyed that you didn't get to play as Snake at first, but most people liked the game.

>>719744965
Yes, in an audio BB called him the best solider that they had.

>>719736391
are you fucking retarded?
make an actual argument before you expel drivel from your fingertips.

>>719745886
I've already did your mom

>>719746459
it's over

>>719745380
Do you need to have autism to replay MGSV a shit ton? I got 130 hours in and got bored.

>>719746785
I'm at 1120 hours.
I have a bunch of mods installed though

>>719729348 (OP)

None of that matters you retard. MGSV has good controls. All other Metal Gear games have bad controls. That is why MGSV is the best.

>>719746849
I want to overhaul it. I played some infinite heaven, it was good, are there any more good overhaul mods?

Damn mgsv is such a fucking good game. Man if it had some more varied maps like GZ level stuff it would have been the best game ever made. Too bad it has too much reused garbo and meaningless outposts. Its still my favorite mgs

>>719745208
photoshopped

>>719746785
This isn't even counting the hours I have on console. I'm also autistic so it tracks

Why didn't they put Raiden on the box art?

>>719747425
This is what I got, but overhauling it means playing around with Infinite Heaven and installing the custom missions people make.
There's a mod that replaces all guns with their real counterparts but I suggest avoiding it, the guns are so high res it makes the game shit itself with terrain flickering in and out of existance, texture corruption and straight up crashes

>>719748446
Does he know?

>>719748761
Good tip, I might have gone for the high res gun reskin out of personal autism.

I'll take a look at the mods you're using, thanks anon.

I just started replaying 5 after beating PW and recently MGSDelta and I have to say it aged like shit.
The graphics look really bad, at the time I thought they were "ok" but man did the open world aspects of the game really put it in the deep end of unimpressive visuals, aside from the nice cutscenes that is.
Hell I'd argue Ground Zeroes looked better but that was because the game was entirely condensed into one area.

>>719750102
looks good for a 10 year old game

>>719750102
It's a PS360 game

>>719733000
But the supply drops make a plane sound when you call them in

>>719750453
ignore the top left one
that was a bullshot from kojimbo. I should probably remove it out of self respect.

>>719750102
I think the game aged beautifully desu what are you playing on? A PS3?

Why did they make the ladder music sound more black it fucking sucks.

>>719750672
hope someone mods back in the original one if they havent already

>>719750532
Just add this
https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidvtpp/mods/3

>>719750775
is this supposed to fix the bad LOD and lower poly models?

>>719751536
No that's for the washed out lighting, combine it with this
https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidvtpp/mods/235

>>719750453
i do not remember bo2 having that good of a lighting

>>719751739
That's black ops 3 you dingus
it came out in 2015

>>719751629
>>719750775
bandaids

MGS5 could have been good if it had selectable difficulty like the other games instead of being locked to easy.

>>719752006
Right has more sand?

>>719752063
soulless

>>719752006
No, they make it look better, even the E3 2013 had terrible LOD

>>719752136
retard

>>719751968
it did look too good for bo2, but bo3 doesn't have die rise or the bo2 an-94 without mods so i was questioning my memories. No bully anon plz.

>>719752189
It's the truth, the E3 2013 trailer has grass spawning all over.
The Extra High settings mod increases the LOD to cover half of the Afghanistan map and almost the entire Africa map, it's almost impossible to see any popping.

God MGSV was trash

>>719752006
>>719752096
>>719752189
Why are you even comparing it with E3 2014 instead of the final game?

>>719752420
MGSV is the only game in the franchise worth playing along with MGR.
The rest are shitty movies that are basically "geopolitics for 4 year olds".
They even have constant toilet humor so the kids dont get bored.

>>719752439
that was the final game

>>719752439
Because he's likely a millennial schizo who has had that saved for a decade

>>719729348 (OP)
>how to get half the challenge of MGS2 in 3
play on yurop extreme and don't use the tranq gun
>how to get operator kino in MGSV
reflex off, HUD off, no resupplies, no weapon upgrades
2, AC!D 2, PW and V are peak MGS desu

I remember buying the sneaking suit from the steam store because i thought it was the peace walker one

needless to say i was immensely disappointed
it was fucking shit, it was so shit that i refunded the 3 dollars or whatever it cost at the time.

>>719753459
least retarded paypig

subsistence literally broke MGS3's difficulty thoughbeit

>>719729348 (OP)
I like both games.

>>719752579
Why did Kojima make him suffer so much

>>719754636
shut the fuck up idort

>>719753529
its not a bad game by any means, its just an obvious downgrade coming off of 2 and 3. I'll never understand why kojimbo wanted to make base sim bullshit instead of a normal mgs game with bigger enviroments or something

>>719729348 (OP)
>normalfag franchise
>hard
kek

>>719729348 (OP)
>Every outpost could be attacked from every angle
I disagree, there were optimal and less optimal routes. technically you could brute force it from any angle but you're risking alerts and not getting S rank.
>ask Pequod to resupply
if you waste time you won't get S rank

>>719756219
time isn't that important. you can spend an hour in a mission doing the side objectives and still get S

>>719755710
I'm talking about the DLC you bought anon

>>719729348 (OP)
lol
lmao
I give it a week before MGS5 has more players than Delta.

>>719729348 (OP)
>Shadows of Morder set the new console Generation standard: FOBs aren't on the maps, you aren't contesting map control by faction (Zero, Skulls, US/Mujahideen, Soviets...), no asynchronous FOB raid defense
>Mini-Gear you're building remains undeployable in the FOB workshop
>Silent Hills easter eggs rugpulled
>Non-existent 3rd Act
>MINE CLEARING # 690
>Console Enemies hardware limited to 13 rendered at a time
>Didn't play the MKULTRA by Ocelot hard enough, one upping COD Black Ops early campaigns
>Not enough friction introduced by 'good' Venom playthroughs (going off heel scrip)
>Not enough tension with die-hard Kaz and Venom (and/orlalilulelo Ocelot).

>>719755710
>>719750102
wrong pe rson

>>719744831
You didn’t counter a single argument, just detailed his points