Thread 719777537

Oh wow it's pop the balloon simulator for 20 mins then one team battle and it's over.

This game will never catch on until they stop trying to make 3rd person shooter moba work. It will never work.

>>719777537 (OP)
I've literally never had a game go like this.
Have you played at all? You sound like a retard.

someone who plays mobas explain to me why the two people facing off in a lane don't just kill eachother? why bother farming creeps? is it one big game of chicken?

>>719777764
Because it's intentionally very difficult to actually kill someone that early in the game. In MOBA's there are usually towers that a person can easily back-up to if someone is trying to kill them. And if you go under an enemy tower with the enemy still there, you will die extremely fast.

>>719777764
Because both have enough HP that you can't just burst the enemy down before they retreat under their tower, you're supposed to keep harassing the other guy until they're low enough for you to burst them

>>719777764
In games like these you start with way more health than can be easily removed by the opposing heroes. So the laning phase is a microcosm of what the main map is like, with people buying and counter buying, "spending" their own HP to damage the enemies and pressure their objective, some side objectives to break up the pace. There's a lot of mechanical skill involved in early laning, but also a lot of macro strategy in how you decide to spend the resources (health, money, cool downs) you have against the enemies own resources.

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>>719778113
what's stopping people from just focusing their lane opponent nonstop? and if everyone has guns in deadlock wouldn't you not even need to worry about range since you can just dome people across the street?

>>719778169
That's how you win usually. But this is why the soul confirm/deny mechanic is a thing. It's to make shooting your opponent an opportunity cost, in that they may be able to out economy you if you are never taking a break from pressuring them to make sure you aren't getting your money stolen.

>>719778169
there is a nonsensical ammount of damage dropoff. like, when you attack a walker and try to damage it intuitively it will do 0 damage. you have to go so close that you are almost in its melee slam range.

>>719777537 (OP)
>Oh wow it's pop the balloon simulator for 20 mins then one team battle and it's over.
Oh wow, it's the samefag. You could at least alter the details of your sperging to make it less obvious.

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>>719778314
okay. sounds sort of dumb to be honest. i don't see the appeal of creep farming. i would rather start with a full power character and face my opponent in stylish combat right away, like a fightan game, than play a really bizarre match of footsies for 20 minutes before I get my build going and then it doesn't matter because some dumb cunt in another lane just fed 10 kills and now i'm stuck in a doomed attrition match for the next 25 minutes

>>719778495
It's not for everyone. I really enjoy the payoff of having a plan that I execute with 5 other people over the course of about half an hour, with dozens of decisions being made, dealing with the consequences of them, and doing that against half a dozen people trying to do the same. But it's not what I want to play everyday, and it's not for everyone. That's fine.

>>719777537 (OP)
>stop trying to make 3rd person shooter moba work.
And do what with it? Make it a proper OW/Rivals clone? It'd suffer tremendously, it's not built for that. This isn't like Fortnite hitting the jackpot with a pivot.

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>>719777537 (OP)
What is this retarded 20 minute laning phase meme? The longest it ever lasts is like 10 minutes, and you're not just sitting in the lane anyway since there are box, neutral and buff spawns very early that you need to contest.

>>719778495
>i don't see the appeal of creep farming.
No no no, you're doing it all wrong.
You aren't supposed to admit MOBA's aren't for you and move on.
You're supposed to seethe and cry about them existing for the rest of your life and do your best to shit on anyone that's ever played them.

The main Issue I have with this game is I can't focus on the game and keep track of whats going on with the mini map the same time. It's not like other mobas where you can quickly look over while your character is moving, but you need to always focus to SHOOT something..doesn't feel right..

>>719777537 (OP)
i have 4 dota friends with different tastes and they all didnt like deadlock
its fucking over

>>719778460
>Oh wow, it's the samefag.
You don't know what that means. Newfag.

>>719778676
It's an odd combo for sure, kinda wish they kept it simple like HotS. The heroes seem entertaining but the game just isn't for me, it's Apex all over again.

>>719777537 (OP)
I like soul shooting and denies
but it's just too ping reliant. they try to fix things with giving advantage to the soul owner but it's not a perfect fix

>>719778579
i guess it's for people who have the lizard brain that needs numbers going up all the time. like a roguelite without the rogue.

>>719778672
well i'd rather valve made a real fps again. that's what they were good at.

>>719778495
>i would rather start with a full power character and face my opponent in stylish combat right away, like a fightan game, than play a really bizarre match of footsies for 20 minutes before I get my build going and then it doesn't matter because some dumb cunt in another lane just fed 10 kills and now i'm stuck in a doomed attrition match for the next 25 minutes

Agreed.

>>719778779
I don't really see a point in Valve trying to top CS.

>>719778672
thats bullshit. if a game is not for you its a shit game. anybody can pick up counterstrike and play it and have fununless you get cheaters thats a good game. anybody can pickup play gta kill hookers and have fun.

>>719778879
There are tons of people who whinge about counterstrike, even beyond the cheating shit

>>719778858
cs is the opposite of what i want from an fps

>>719778879
You over assume how taste works. Plenty of great games aren't up my alley and plenty of genres I enjoy have bombs in them. You're allowed to dislike something without needing it to be bad, a lesson all "mega successful game is a flop because.... it just is okay!!!" posters could benefit from learning.

>>719778579
You can kill people at 3 or 5 minutes if you play well. The game of footsies allows kills. Bait someone into over extending, party their melee, time a fight on a level up to surprise them with an ability they don't have, etc. since it is 2v2 some character combinations can have high kill potential.

>>719779160
I have no idea what you could be looking for that isn't already constantly serialized by CoD, Battlefield, fucking Splatoon, etc..
Unless you just want singleplayer campaign FPS games in which case you are a homosexual unfortunately.

>>719779418
i want movement. like tribes. or quake.

>>719779389
the melee system is just so shit. i cant believe it hasnt been reworked

>>719779457
I don't follow them too closely but I'm pretty sure every other CoD has gay movement nonsense added to it. Especially the futuristic ones.
You pretty much completely throw traditional fps tactics out the window if you add a bunch of movement shit to a game though. Like Deadlock has great movement, but it wouldn't work in a first person or in a traditional pvp nonstop fighting format.

>>719778676
For me it's how lame half the kits feel. To use Mina as the best example and worst of the recent releases
>lame cleave with baby range
>2ft slow teleport
>passive trigger on hit effect
>floating okay ult that scales with S3
>no mary poppins slow glide with her umbrella
I'm still confused how the fuck she shipped alongside heroes like Billy or Doorman.

>>719777764
They do though
Hitting the enemy to weaken their position so you can threaten a kill more easily and stop them from securing last hits is an important part of the lane, killing them if possible is icing on the cake
I think a better question is why do retards believe outlandish claims about games they haven't played without even checking if they're actually curious

>>719779621
you have clearly do not know what tribes is

The game needs to be slightly more shooter-y and arcade-y.
Needs more side objectives that do something cool like HotS.

>>719777537 (OP)
You barely need to pop orbs in the laning phase

>>719779835
theres a reason hots is dead

>>719779817
>you have clearly do not know
kek

Anyway I do know what it is and what makes it fun really has very little to do with it being an fps.
I'm sure you had plenty of fun playing it when you were a lad though.

>>719777537 (OP)
>This game will never catch on until they stop trying to make 3rd person shooter moba work. It will never work.

It will, they just need to add more stuff from dota, wards, courier, buyback, change 90% of the items, change the hero balance because it's awful compared to dota right now so many heroes can just delete you with their ult. Also, let me stack neutral creeps.

remove crates and make souls collectable like a PS2 platformer

>>719778879
Counter Strike absolutely isn't for everyone, there are ton of people that seethe over that game existing and being popular, just like how people do with mobas. I saw so many 40+ old dudes seethe about CS because it's not a realistic milsim or because they're simply getting mogged by insane reaction times of young people

>>719779898
>You barely need to pop orbs in the laning phase
... if you play against alchemists.

>>719777537 (OP)
>Same post as yesterday
I thought the post looked familiar.
OP's just going to make the same post for his argument, ignorant of how the game works. Probably doesn't even play it.

Denying applies pressure to the other side, it shows which team has the better position, ammo management and is keeping track of targets. Anyone playing the game would know that it barely happens outside the laning phase (first 10 minutes) with the exception of failing to intercept the urn. There's also having some patience to let troopers get to a better position where opponent's can't see the orbs or just melee them.
It's also laughable that the game would end after a single team battle.