Thread 719837053

SOTN and it's consequences have been a disaster for the indie game genre

>>719837053 (OP)
This game is so fucking overrated

>>719837157
Stfu idiot it's one of the greats

OOE >>>> Slopphony of the night
FACT

I THINK THE UPSIDE DOWN CASTLE SUCKS

>>719837265
I still seethe about the fucking crab filtering me.

>>719837265
TRVE TRVE it was the closest they could have gotten to mixing the classicvania of actually tough fights with the metroid formula and Konami killed the series after it trying to turn it into GOW

>>719837053 (OP)
this game rules

>>719837265
that game rules

>>719837053 (OP)
Nice deflection from Dark souls fucking Fromsharter. Soulslop poisoned indie games forever. Shartknight is soulslop. The only indie Igavanias are Timespinner and Bloodstained

>>719837053 (OP)
Say what you like about SotN but it at least has a sense of direction and doesn't throw a million different paths at you at once... modern indie metroidvania games just go "ah fuck it" and slap together a bunch of rooms with multiple entrances and exits each, and take place almost exclusively in caves to enable said "design"
SotN at least felt like you were meaningfully exploring

>>719837053 (OP)
SotN is the godfather of all metroidvanias, kneel before it's glory or repent.

>>719837053 (OP)
I’m interested in this

>>719837053 (OP)
>indie
>genre
Indie is a scene.

>>719838085
I think Infernax is a modern example of a metroidvania getting it right and striking a balance between guiding the player and letting him explore. I just wish the "puzzles" were a bit harder.

>>719842665
that's not a metroidvania like
that's a castlevania 2 like strand type game

WHAT IS A MAN

and uhhh What is a woman? Please, Belmont. Why are men dressing up like women and cutting their cocks off?

>>719843201
castlevania 2 is in many ways a proto-metroidvania game
Iga himself basically said so when he called it his inspiration for SOTN
but I do see your point, the "structured dungeons with overworld" style map is significantly different from what came to be the metroidvania formula so we should probably call it something else.

>>719837053 (OP)
It did nothing that Faxanadu didn't already do in 1987, or wonderboy 3 in 1989.

The "vania" part of "metroidvania" is completely stupid.
>>719843445
>Iga himself basically said so when he called it his inspiration for SOTN
SOTN was designed, directed, programmed, and produced by Toru Hagihara (who also directed Belmont's Revenge and Rondo of Blood).

Stop with this ridiculous "iga invented the genre" bullshit.

>>719843445
Metroid is the proto-metroidvania...it came out first. It even pre-dates Maze of Galious.

is the psx jap 1.2 version with english patch the best way to play?

>>719842423
fake and false
t.grok

>>719837053 (OP)
if only any of those indies played like sotn...

>>719843901
if that's the fan re-translation, yes

>>719842423
you haven't played indie slop they have that distinct "stink" to them

>>719837053 (OP)
just play good metroidvanias, theres at least 10 better than redditknight

>>719837053 (OP)
>actually MY backtracking game is BETTER because it's by NINTENDO and you grind for +5 missiles you're never going to use

>>719844585
>you grind for +5 missiles you're never going to use
i do because i have bad aim

>>719843604
kinda agree with this entire reply actually, if you look at hollow knights old kickstarter it says faxanadu was an inspiration, zelda 2 too desu.

>>719837053 (OP)
>>719844585

God just fucking leave us alone. Let me enjoy these games in peace you zoomer chimps

>>719844786
Shut the fuck up you reddit underage faggot these games are all fucking garbage and you'd have to be a subhuman retard to defend the god awful design in any of these faggot shit games.

>>719837053 (OP)
If anyone is to blame its Cave Story, since that is the game that showed hack devs that there is success to be had as a indie dev by jumping on that bandwagon. Otherwise you should just be blaming the first Metroid game.

>>719843604
what sotn did was to merge the genre with rpg, all the unique rare drop weapons most people don't know about, stats, level system, etc it's not about just being like metroid or faxanadu or wonder boy 3

>>719844786
SOTN KILLED Classicvania i will ALWAYS hate it

>>719845031
I love SotN as well as the classicvanias though

>>719843354
How about you ask your son. He takes it up the ass from both.

>>719844585
This but unironically.

>>719837331
You are not the only one.

>>719844536
>just play good metroidvanias

do not exist such a thing

>>719845125
he is busy fucking yours

>>719844921
(You)

I bought a PSP for Dracula X Chronicles and didn't regret it. How fucking crazy were they to lock a full port of SotN behind an unlockable instead of marketing it as a major feature to begin with? And even going to the trouble to redub it...worse.

Symphony of the Night is the 2nd worst MV Castlevania only behind Harmony Of Dissonance

>>719844585
This game's physics mog the everloving FUCK out of Hollow Shite.

>>719845760
god this gameplay is such garbage. "So bad it's good" amirite fellow redditer?

>>719846081
Stick to braindead flash games.

>>719837053 (OP)
I want the REAL spiritual successor of SOTN we never got
It needs a great soundtrack, great fast and grounded gameplay, expanded RPG elements, extreme enemy variety, many secret bosses and make it harder
Sadly all of these modern metroidvanias are very shallow or are stealth copies of metroid, so what you're stating is fake

>>719846231
It also needs to have good graphics because all of those portable Castlevanias look and sound way worse than SOTN

>>719846231
bloodstained
but you are not ready for that conversation chuddy

>>719846130
epic platforming gameplay, hold right to win but it's ironic ;)))

>>719846302
Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia look better than SOTN.

>>719846391
Momentum transfer > stiff indie slop.

>>719846402
Of all the games to make that claim, why'd you pick all the ones BUT Dawn, the one that's actually the best-looking?

Retards who praise the genre done understand that what made these games great wasnt the gameplay or the tedious backtracking, it was the fucking music. The back tracking just meant you got to listen to more music. Zoomers dont know shit. Shit has the worst gsmeplay ever. Like mario except you have to mash the attack button the entire game.

>>719846231
It's the worst Igavania from a mechanical standpoint, SotN is all style over substance.

>>719846483
Mooooomentum? Like Mooooovement? EPIC!! It's a MOVEMENT PLATFORMER! This is some deep gameplay holy fucking shit

God I fucking hate zoomers. I wish we could get rid of everybody in the world under 21.

>>719846512
Nah I beat it muted listening to my spotify playlist and it was a fun little dusty game, nothing crazy though.

>>719846231
SOTN is very "arcadey" in a way, it's hard to explain. I wouldn't even say the handheld ones are completely identical either, as much as I love them.

>>719845760
Has anyone decompiled and explained the movement code?

>>719846568
>This is some deep gameplay holy fucking shit
Indeed. Much better than indie slop.

>>719846649
A hat in time sounds right up your alley It's also a movement game.

>>719845685
>instead of marketing it as a major feature to begin with
It was marketed as a major feature, at least in North America

>>719846609
NOOOOOOO STOP LIKING IT

SOTN is carried by it's music it gets TURBO mogged by Aria or OOE in every other catagory

>>719846609
both SOTN and Super Nigtroid had great soundtracks

>>719842665
I shat my intestines out when kneeling at deborah cliff WORKED

>>719846483
I think that's something people just don't value anymore. I don't think they can wrap around the idea of games where just the act of moving around is fun.

>>719846506
>fugly enemy sprite works
>garbage backgrounds
>DEEN anime

slop of the night doesn't even have movement you just spam the bat charge

>>719847151
I'm moooovementing
Did you se how I pressed jump? It's moooooovement time! Haha -Mario

I like all the IGAvanias

>>719847263
nobody likes hod stop lying

>>719847151
shield dash, jump cancelling, etc

>>719846568
What's with this annoying faggy way of talking all zoomers have?

>>719847151
and shield dash
and vorpal dash
and front slides
and divebats
and batdash
and wolf run
and wolf rise
and wolf clips
Get fucked Redditor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF8S82YHEKc&list=PLOyMVf6KuedL6TJv-bEgwu9GvBV2odFt1&index=2

>>719847383
IQ gated

>>719837157
Faggot zoomer

>>719847263
based

>>719837532
>"closest they could have gotten"
>the linearity and enemy placement of classicvanias with movement and variety of igavanias
ooe fans befuddle me
there are combat focused metroidvanias and there are branching paths classicvanias, any other "mixing" is just putting round pegs into the square hole