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Anonymous No.719861597 >>719861882 >>719862360 >>719862993 >>719863406 >>719863483 >>719863656 >>719865256 >>719874979 >>719876173 >>719876517 >>719876682 >>719878228 >>719878435 >>719880263 >>719883554 >>719883663 >>719884009 >>719885391 >>719888032 >>719894542 >>719896273 >>719896941 >>719898436 >>719903407 >>719906058 >>719910401
SHUTEN ORDER IS OUT
SHUTEN ORDER (DANGANRONPA/ZERO ESCAPE CREATORS) IS OUT AND NOBODY CARES
Anonymous No.719861668
I don't want that. I want DR4.
Anonymous No.719861673
>NSP wasn't leaked
Bad sign
Anonymous No.719861872
up on torrents
Anonymous No.719861882 >>719862137 >>719862269 >>719862556 >>719866708 >>719878143 >>719880196
>>719861597 (OP)
It is woke like hundred woke?
Anonymous No.719861960
i'll buy it on a sale. same with the new AI Somnium Files game
Anonymous No.719862137 >>719866156
>>719861882
The protagonist is non binary and there's 0 fanservice
Anonymous No.719862205 >>719862258
I kneel.
Anonymous No.719862258
>>719862205
Silksongsisters... don't look!
Anonymous No.719862269 >>719881605
>>719861882
What was woke about hundred line?
Anonymous No.719862360 >>719863239 >>719863415 >>719868181
>>719861597 (OP)
>double of silksong price
>releases at the same time
Why would he fucking do that? Is he stupid?
Anonymous No.719862531
Fuck Silksong
Anonymous No.719862556
>>719861882
There's nothing woke about hundred line, and spamming that one Takemaru egg line doesn't make the whole game woke you retard.
Anonymous No.719862993 >>719863158 >>719863239 >>719878721
>>719861597 (OP)
killed by Silksong
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Anonymous No.719863158
>>719862993
Shitsong a piss
Anonymous No.719863239
>>719862360
>>719862993
Let's be real here the game wasn't going to sell regardless this is just for his own satisfaction.
Anonymous No.719863347 >>719863443 >>719868207
retarded faggot went from making japanese games to games made for westoids
Anonymous No.719863406
>>719861597 (OP)
I'll grab it sometime but not now, I'm still recovering from 100%-ing Hundred Line.
Anonymous No.719863415 >>719863501 >>719868181
>>719862360
He does not give a flying fuck about shuten order, he's not even begging people to buy it like he did with Hundred Line.
Anonymous No.719863442
Meh
Anonymous No.719863443 >>719878129 >>719924789
>>719863347
*for ironic weebs
Anonymous No.719863483 >>719863605 >>719863607 >>719868194
>>719861597 (OP)
>DANGANRONPA/ZERO ESCAPE CREATORS
A decade ago, this would've seem like an amazing collaboration, but now I have to ask, did ANYTHING good came out of these two working together? I just remember that infantile game and the gacha...
Anonymous No.719863501 >>719868181
>>719863415
Because as much as this triggers him he gets 90% carried by Danganronpa art, music and memes.
Anonymous No.719863605 >>719898554
>>719863483
No, they became hack boomers like most japanese boomers. They want to live on clones of their best jobs but being way lazier about them, it's why Kodaka made THL so authors write for him alas chatgpt, and the other one made Somnium which is just LE MEME XD because thinking about a serious plot and puzzles is hard, or like when Mikami went to Tango so others would make the games for him (TEW was made by a woman) and he would just stamp his name on it.
Of course, just like Kamiya, he abandoned the team (Kamiya also begging Capcom to make DMC1 remake instead of helping his previous team make Bayonetta 4 or some shit)
These sellouts boomers leaving is good and companies are starting to learn how they are better without them
Anonymous No.719863607 >>719876131
>>719863483
none
ZTD ruined zero escape and its future
V3 ruined danganronpa and its future
Anonymous No.719863656
>>719861597 (OP)
Cute
Anonymous No.719863895
I have done only about 30 endings in hundred line and I am burned out from them. Maybe after I beat a couple pther games and finished hundred line will I consider this hame.
Anonymous No.719863920
is it any good
Anonymous No.719864096 >>719864331
Anyone play it yet? Any impressions?
Anonymous No.719864331
>>719864096
I have way too many games to play that's released in late august / early september. I'd probably play this game in december lol.
Anonymous No.719864610 >>719865183
>shitten order
were there going bankrupt? it's been less than 6 months since hundred line, what a bunch of hacks lmao
Anonymous No.719864886
Torrent doko????????
Anonymous No.719865183
>>719864610
Hundred line actually sold well and saved them
Anonymous No.719865256
>>719861597 (OP)
>Let's make more not-DR again.
Anonymous No.719866156 >>719878435
>>719862137
They literally say that she is a girl but nice try.
Anonymous No.719866708
>>719861882
Yeah.
Anonymous No.719867801 >>719882063
>literally no one has even tried it
oof
Anonymous No.719867975
I will wait to be told what I think of it
Anonymous No.719868181
>>719862360
>>719863415
>>719863501
The reason why is that Kodaka was hired to write on this game and that he already got paid for it. He liked had no involvement in deciding the release date or price.
Hundred Line was a project that was mostly independently funded, and if it failed he would've been homeless.
Anonymous No.719868194 >>719876131
>>719863483
Kodaka hasn’t been good since DR2
Uchikoshi hasn’t been good since what, the second Zero Escape?
Anonymous No.719868207
>>719863347
There has been zero discernable change in Kodaka's output since DR1.
That was 15 yearsa go.
Anonymous No.719868580
They should do an escape game more close to Zero Escape, just don't recycle old ideas.
Anonymous No.719868995 >>719870001 >>719881609
does it have big boob rapebait in it?
Anonymous No.719869187 >>719876064
I haven't even finished Hundred Line yet, how the fuck does he have another game out?
Anonymous No.719870001 >>719881669
>>719868995
Kako-chan...
Anonymous No.719871216
Bump
Anonymous No.719872778 >>719874809 >>719875735 >>719878875
The Chinese have started to review bomb the game on steam because of some price fuck-up.
Anonymous No.719874809 >>719879224
>>719872778
Oh they review bomb everything
Anonymous No.719874979
>>719861597 (OP)
>Dangaronpa/Zero Escape Creators
I don't feel liked get fucked over like I did with those franchises. Count me out.
Anonymous No.719875735
>>719872778
>started with one price
>60% raise after 30 minutes
I can understand them
Anonymous No.719876064
>>719869187
fucking this kek, god the second half is a slog
I still have several routes to do
Anonymous No.719876131
>>719863607
>>719868194
V3 was the best one, and Kodaka was already shitting on the mastermind in 2.
Anonymous No.719876173
>>719861597 (OP)
>3 games back to back by this fuckin guy
no way the writing can be any good
Anonymous No.719876184
>platform warring on a game that's not even fucking related
bruh what the fuck is up with this site.
probably gonna wait for a sale on this one, THL started off pretty good but the repetition killed the routes. I have a feeling this game is going to end up the same. Also I kinda miss when they start doing neat sequel hooks and stealth sequels and this is pretty standalone I think.
Anonymous No.719876231
I have 5+ games to play over this.
Anonymous No.719876406
I'll buy it because it has a loli buy I'll probably wait until its cheaper
Anonymous No.719876517
>>719861597 (OP)
Terrible timing. I would have bought it if it wasn't for silksong and my wife losing her job.
Anonymous No.719876682
>>719861597 (OP)
I need to finish Hundred Line first...
Anonymous No.719877205 >>719877493 >>719885691
I am Kodaka's strongest soldier
Anonymous No.719877436 >>719881037
did they fix the text and translation issues? the early reviews said it felt like an MTL job and the text overflowed from the bubbles
Anonymous No.719877493 >>719885691
>>719877205
Anonymous No.719877629 >>719881037
Kodaka himself doesn't care for this. It's a throwaway step in the ladder toward cementing Tookyo games as a reputable studio, and thus whether or not it really works merely is a gamble whose consequence won't be critical. That's all.
If it's fun, got its sales, roped in some fans, great. If not, well, that's that.
When he's serious, when he really cares, you can tell. He gets his friend artist Komatsuzaki Rui and pins down the overall concept from 0-100 without anyone else's input except to further substantiate some few tricks.

Unfortunately, that doesn't last long.
As well you know, Japanese creators want to leave control to 'successors' once they grow older, just as Nasu Kinoko did, and that's a guy almost everyone there aspires to be: the man in charge with all talent gathered in a tight-knit circle who can take things easy as his friends create and as he interlaces with and guides them. Expand your own IP through the genius of your friends.
It's a great goal, except realizing it requires you're connected to actual talent. Nasu had Urobuchi, Takeuchi, Higashide, Higashiguchi, and a fuckton more skilled companions. It's insane. Kodaka... Kodaka has no one except Rui (art) and Masafumi (music). The experiment called HUNDRED LINE in which he attempted to discern the skill of newfound friends ended in failure because everything he didn't do really was only so-so.

He's yet to incorporate a truly skilled friend into his circle. Now, add to that his effort in distancing himself from the production process itself, and you're getting only halfway decent games, not the real thing... not kino like THH.
We'll only ever get there if
(1) The team 3 do everything on their own, Kodaka 100% at the helm
(2) He gets better talent (Uchikoshi isn't it) to help things out

Maybe Shuten Order will work out, but since it's a female protagonist, probably not.
Anonymous No.719877826 >>719878141
>release before normal people with normal schedules have finished playing your last bloated ass game
>release a day after Silksong
>immediately lose the Chinese market

Rest in piss.
Anonymous No.719878109 >>719880471
Apparently this game is very transphobic
Anonymous No.719878129 >>719878214 >>719924789
>>719863443
ironic weebs as opposed to regular weebs? What's the difference. I mean we're all weebs here.
Anonymous No.719878141 >>719878814
>>719877826
You're chinese aren't you?
Anonymous No.719878143
>>719861882
yeah, very. you should stay far away from this, best if you just leave the thread immediately
Anonymous No.719878214 >>719878303 >>719924789
>>719878129
ironic weebs don't like """"""problematic stuff""""""" aka stuff that perverted otaku like
Anonymous No.719878228 >>719878350 >>719881008
>>719861597 (OP)
I thought just Kodaka was on this one, is Uchikoski involved at all?
Anonymous No.719878303 >>719878410 >>719878439 >>719924789
>>719878214
okay, why call them "ironic".
Anonymous No.719878350
It's incredible how fans want a straightforward VN with a few, very few puzzles along the way, and yet the developers keep trying to make full blown games instead.
>>719878228
He's only responsible for roughly 1/5th of the game.
Anonymous No.719878410
>>719878303
it feels more like casual weebs are more fitting but I can somewhat see the point in calling them ironic weebs. Self proclaimed Weebs but actually hate and repulsed by the actual weeb stuff and can only handle surface normie approved stuff.
Anonymous No.719878435
>>719861597 (OP)
>>719866156

the protagonist isn't a dude? siiigggghhhh
Anonymous No.719878439
>>719878303
because they arent actually weebs. theyre insincere and just pretending (subconsciously)
Anonymous No.719878721
>>719862993
If a game gets "killed" by Silksong it deserves to die.
Anonymous No.719878765
>tell all fans to fuck of with Danganronpa V3
>everyone actually did and never came back
Anonymous No.719878814
>>719878141
Would it help you cope if I said yes, baby girl?
Anonymous No.719878875 >>719879032
>>719872778
chinese hate when you screw them over unless you're their government then you can walk all over them and piss in their mouth
Anonymous No.719879032 >>719880309
>>719878875
Did chang bang your mom or something?
Anonymous No.719879224
>>719874809
why are they like this?
Anonymous No.719879404
>female protagonist
yeah pass
Anonymous No.719880196 >>719880306 >>719881037 >>719881962
I watched the prologue because I wanted to buy this on a sale, but I will pirate it now. It's interesting enough that I wanna play it now and get it over with but it does not look worth the money
>>719861882
HL was nothing compared to this, apparently. A review gave Shuten a bad score because there is a character that wants to kill all men, and another character that's an actual MtF troon. After he's revealed to be trans, the main character exclusively refers to the troon by "he" pronouns
Anonymous No.719880263
>>719861597 (OP)
This faggot never tried making a new game. Hundred line was awful and this looks like more of the same.
Anonymous No.719880306 >>719880473 >>719880686
>>719880196
yikes. hard pass.
Anonymous No.719880309
>>719879032
Mutts are upset because they see their time is ending
Anonymous No.719880471 >>719880686 >>719881037
>>719878109
might be a shitpost but apparently the MC is a reverse trap so they game has to avoid using pronouns. This works in Japanese but not english for obvious reasons
Anonymous No.719880473 >>719880686
>>719880306
Yeah I hate trannies and don't buy media with them either
Anonymous No.719880686 >>719881037
>>719880306
>>719880473
Beyond the trans shit, the characters just explain the same things over and over again in the prologue. There really should have been a demo like HL so I didn't have to wait until post-release to see if this is worth it
>>719880471
I think the MC straight up did not know she was a girl
Anonymous No.719880718 >>719880893 >>719881005
jeez does this game accidentally acknowledge Taiwan as a country or something?
Anonymous No.719880893 >>719905171
>>719880718
The price increased by 60% in China 1 hour after release (200 to 320 yuan)
Anonymous No.719881005 >>719905171
>>719880718
They increased the price in china after launch, some areas of the world didn't set prices, so they are double than the american price
Anonymous No.719881008
>>719878228
I think this is another Tribe Nine situation. Kodaka didnt direct this game but they plastered his name all over it
Anonymous No.719881037 >>719881075 >>719881086 >>719881131 >>719881205 >>719881370 >>719882020 >>719882815 >>719889389 >>719896171
>>719880686
>>719880471
>>719880196
>>719877629
>>719877436
What happened to Kodaka? Female protagonists? MtF trans? Transsexuals' support? fuck, man. What a fucking waste of character designs and everything.
Is this what happens when a Japanese dev idles away on twitter for too long and has his brain warped by the most deranged people?
Anonymous No.719881075 >>719881193 >>719881241 >>719881253 >>719881370
>>719881037
>What happened to Kodaka? Female protagonists? MtF trans? Transsexuals' support? f
have you never played Danganronpa...?
Anonymous No.719881086 >>719881935
>>719881037
happens to every single japanese person who interact with english twitter in english language.
Anonymous No.719881131 >>719881935
>>719881037
He's one of those types that spends his days online dude. He also attributes his success to the west so panders to loud mouths on twitter
Anonymous No.719881193
>>719881075
I thought you people hated hard girls
Anonymous No.719881205
>>719881037
It might not have been Kodaka that did the MtF thing, to be fair. Different routes have different writers
In HL the closest thing to trannyshit was Takemaru telling women to change their sex and that one line of Ima saying he can pass as a girl and Hiruko voiced by a tranny in the dub
Anonymous No.719881241 >>719881370 >>719881935
>>719881075
I did. I played THH, which had a male protagonist, and no transsexuals. I played DRV3, which had a male protagonist, and no transsexuals. I played SDR2, which had a male protagonist, and no transsexuals. I played Rain Code, which had a male MC, and no transsexuals. I read Zero as well, which had a male MC, and no transsexual. I played HL as well, which had a male MC, and no transsexuals. i also read DG's SS story, which had a male MC, and no transsexuals.
Anonymous No.719881252 >>719881320 >>719881389
Is the protagonist trans?
Anonymous No.719881253 >>719881376
>>719881075
Don't reply to newfags
Anonymous No.719881320 >>719881509
>>719881252
why cant tomboys be a thing anymore?
Anonymous No.719881370
>>719881037
>>719881075
>>719881241
kodaka's shit threads are forever entertaining kek
Anonymous No.719881376
>>719881253
Lol nta, but I own the games in nip faggot.
Anonymous No.719881389 >>719881443 >>719881447
>>719881252
The protag is a girl and didn't know until explicitly told, she's referred gender neturally in the JP version
Anonymous No.719881443 >>719891150
>>719881389
>didn't know until explicitly told
did she never pee?
Anonymous No.719881447 >>719881492
>>719881389
They don't have a "gender neutral" in japan. They have a "hey you or you there" identifier. It gets used in most games and media with create a character stuff
Anonymous No.719881492 >>719881564
>>719881447
>they dont have a gender neutral in Japan
>they just have ways to refer to people without gender identifiers
Anonymous No.719881509
>>719881320
They make trannies mad
Anonymous No.719881564 >>719881639
>>719881492
No dude. You're adding your western shit to it. It gets used not to be "neutral" but as a general identifier for media or to be artsy usually
T.n2
Anonymous No.719881605 >>719881640
>>719862269
The male MC was raped by another male.
Anonymous No.719881609
>>719868995
Anonymous No.719881639
>>719881564
Hell its usually used in childrens media like even the xenoverse games.
Anonymous No.719881640 >>719887968
>>719881605
proof??
Anonymous No.719881669
>>719870001
Anonymous No.719881728 >>719881984
There shouldn't be any DRM for the game, but the fact nobody can even care to upload the game says a lot.
Anonymous No.719881802 >>719881915 >>719881935
A male to female tranny isn't anything unusual in a weirdo Japanese auteur game. And we're fucking talking about Kodaka here, where are these anons coming from?
Anonymous No.719881884
>tfw my language doesn't have gendered he/her
Anonymous No.719881905 >>719881951
ftm doesnt exist in Japan anyway, its just tomboys and misclassified tomboys
Anonymous No.719881915
>>719881802
To be fair its more of a recent push. Moreso since the tokyo government was giving grants to alphabet content. It hasn't dried up yet, but they're moving away slightly to push other things like indians and the like. I say this as someone who lives in japan for months at a time for work.
Anonymous No.719881935 >>719887013
>>719881086
>>719881131
Why does interaction with the western world slowly beckon and eventually transform one toward transsexuality?
Why has only 4chan developed resistance and in fact success where thwarting, identifying, and neutralizing it is concerned?
Why are the psyches of people so easily brainwashed?
>>719881802
>>719881241
Anonymous No.719881951
>>719881905
I just played the game the protag is a frm trans
Anonymous No.719881962 >>719882020 >>719882269
>>719880196
seems like troons didn't like it either
Anonymous No.719881984
>>719881728
>but the fact nobody can even care to upload the game says a lot.
I have that issue with a lot of japanese games that dont get localized. Cause the only people that can even upload it are the Japanese and in the rare case they(probably chinese) do, nobody bothers to upload the patches
Anonymous No.719882020
>>719881962
meant for >>719881037
Anonymous No.719882063 >>719882098
>>719867801
>female protagonist
and I never ever will
Anonymous No.719882098 >>719882261 >>719882352
>>719882063
>female

But its a male
Anonymous No.719882261
>>719882098
The fuck are you talking about? It's a girl. Hard confirmed.
Anonymous No.719882269
>>719881962
This is going to sound mean to some, but I'm not surprised. The appeal to these types is to make it about them. Once they actually pander to you and you see yourself in media then they just move on to the next thing.
Anonymous No.719882352 >>719882767 >>719887226 >>719893705
>>719882098
>reverse trap revealed to actually be a guy
Would be kino
Anonymous No.719882767 >>719882935
>>719882352
Those are some tiny hands
Anonymous No.719882815 >>719883393 >>719889048
>>719881037
Japan is rapidly progressing in its development as a rich and accepting country, hoping to shed its shameful and scornful attitude of days past. Naturally, media is now encouraged to reflect this.

※Men have been in power too long, and their views are always taking center stage. Let us now instead encourage women to be main characters, to take to spotlight instead.
It's THEIR time and THEIR show.
※Indifference to the LGBT is intolerable. Lesbians, gays, transsexuals, bisexuals... they too have a voice, and we must listen to it, and we must allow them a share of happiness.
※So called 'fanservice' is a disgraceful, disgusting act, reducing women to mere toys and flights of fancy for men to play with, and succeeds only in alienating women from enjoying particular media. Worse of all is its promotion of 'boy-clubs', encouraging men to congregate and gather, to have them in one spot in brewing conspiracy as they incessantly elaborate their fantasies of raping women.
Anonymous No.719882904
Anonymous No.719882935
>>719882767
Opposite of yaoi hands
Anonymous No.719883127
>never heard of
>look it up on steam
>"on wishlist"
huh
Anonymous No.719883393
>>719882815
They're reaching the collapse more like it. I go there a lot and their nobody is happy. You legally can't complain or say anything about current laws or acts pushing alphabet and illegal jeet agenda.
Anonymous No.719883554
>>719861597 (OP)
Cute and funny characters everywhere!
Anonymous No.719883617
does it contain mind control bugs?
Anonymous No.719883663 >>719888848 >>719897709
>>719861597 (OP)
After Hundred Line I'd have to be paid to play this shit, I've never played something so blatantly & maliciously intended to waste my time
Anonymous No.719883734 >>719883853
>50 dollars for a probably 15 hours long VN
Fuck you Kodaka I'm pirating again
Anonymous No.719883853 >>719883948
>>719883734
You should play Hundred Line. It has one hundred endings and is 200 hours long. You'll love it. *said with the cold dead affect of a serial killer*
Anonymous No.719883870 >>719884180 >>719902208
Anonymous No.719883948 >>719887237 >>719888993
>>719883853
I got 20 endings and dropped it, was way too bored from the amount of garbage time wasting gameplay and repetitive Kako eating toothpaste with feces and daily messages every fucking day.
Anonymous No.719884009 >>719884241
>>719861597 (OP)
Has anyone in the thread actual played any of this? Impressions?
Anonymous No.719884180
>>719883870
mind blown
Anonymous No.719884209
So any loli fanservice in this one? Asking for a friend.
Anonymous No.719884241
>>719884009
Just finished downloading and till play it for ~30min before I go an visit my bro, drink some beer and watch anime
Anonymous No.719884645 >>719888614
pomf =3
Anonymous No.719885391 >>719886876
>>719861597 (OP)
How's the music?
Anonymous No.719885441
qrd? deathgameslop I assume? after comedy route I will never support this hack again
Anonymous No.719885691
>>719877205
>>719877493
lmao I tried world's end club.
I cannot believe that bait and switch on the first part. I wonder what happened if I let the time run out, and if there's a secret on the unopened pod.
I stopped playing literally after they all arrived on those abandoned town.
Anonymous No.719886332
it sounds like catherine full body all over again desu
Anonymous No.719886454
>completely flat
>supposed to be a girl
is this some nisekoi tier breast binding or what?
Anonymous No.719886876
>>719885391
pretty good so far
Anonymous No.719886942 >>719892898 >>719893065
Where is torrent?
Anonymous No.719887013 >>719887721
>>719881935
>Why has only 4chan developed resistance and in fact success
you couldn't even resist your own site becoming an indochinese colony
Anonymous No.719887226
>>719882352
>gender shit
shant
Anonymous No.719887237
play a good visual novel instead
https://arekks.itch.io/gamer-annihilation-squad
>>719883948
I know, it's fucking shit, that was my point. That's why I'll never buy another visual novel from these cunts again
Anonymous No.719887721
>>719887013
Nah most of the demoralazing crap comes from paid jeet and sea monkey farms. 4chan while not as easy to control as twitter once was. Can help sway narratives and demoralize some with constant spam and samefagging
Anonymous No.719887968 >>719888473 >>719888709 >>719924454
>>719881640
Anonymous No.719888032 >>719888503
>>719861597 (OP)
Started the romance route and holy shit, this game is boring.
I bet the killer is the mc, she switched bodies with the victim
Anonymous No.719888430 >>719888689
>filter by Japanese only
>100% positive review score
KAMIGE confirmed
Anonymous No.719888473
>>719887968
those 50,000 copies? all me
Anonymous No.719888503
>>719888032
>she switched bodies with the victim
isnt that an Uchikoshi plot twist?
Anonymous No.719888614
>>719884645
Can we see her cute panties?
Anonymous No.719888689 >>719888736 >>719888756 >>719888849
>>719888430
Huh...?
59 total reviews.
40 are Chinese (traditional/simplified)
15 are English.
1 is French
below you find another
....Then 1 in all is Japanese.
Anonymous No.719888709
>>719887968
Not really woke, because it's rape. Rape is anti-woke especially if it makes look faggotry bad. It's fujoshi pandering.
Anonymous No.719888736
>>719888689
100% is 100% anon, Kodaka does it again
Anonymous No.719888756
>>719888689
1/1 is 100% baybee
Anonymous No.719888848
>>719883663
Gatekeeping works
Anonymous No.719888849
>>719888689
Kodaka's a genius. Review your own game, give it 100%, walk off smiling, and you've won the day. It's that easy (laughs)
Anonymous No.719888945 >>719889048
>chinks hate it because they put up the wrong price earlier
>burgers hate it because its problematic
>Japan loves it
what went right?
Anonymous No.719888993 >>719889196 >>719889270
>>719883948
For me the biggest problem is as soon as I got to something interesting happening after hours upon hours of slogging it out, suddenly they block you from continuing until you've read other nonsense routes for 50 more hours to unlock the blockade
I get that they don't want to fucking spoil what happens in that route before you've found and read other foreshadowing, but there is so much to slog through you might not even come back to it for 100 hours and forget what was happening.
Every time It began to get interesting i got cockblocked into reading filler for hundreds of hours.
it feels like the entire second half was basically stretched out to pad playtime and should've only been about 15 routes maximum.
And don't get me started on how blatantly obvious the twists were in the common prologue route, it was torture reading that shit knowing what was going to happen, yet not a single character thought anything happening was suspicious. Even Kako the so called detective wannabee.
You can't pay me to play another Kodaka game after that.
Anonymous No.719889048
>>719888945
transsexual support. trans rights matter. stop being bigots and be more like japan >>719882815
Anonymous No.719889194
any help?
Anonymous No.719889196 >>719889270 >>719889681
>>719888993
This is why I advocate against going into Hundred Line completely blind. I decided to play every other route before going into the Story Lock ones
Anonymous No.719889241
Just refunded the game until they fucking fixed it. Too bad it looked interesting.
Anonymous No.719889270 >>719889681 >>719890023 >>719890173 >>719896528
>>719888993
>>719889196
I went through most of the comedy route because I got either of the real endings. Made me hate the game so much
Anonymous No.719889389
>>719881037
>What happened to Kodaka
Bro Kodaka has been a hack ever since thr danganronpa 2 ending. Arguably sooner.
Anonymous No.719889504
to people playing on pc.
do you also have moments where it takes forever to start the next dialogue?
Anonymous No.719889628 >>719891751
Anonymous No.719889664
>Kodaka releases the same shit year after year and he doesn't even have the decency to make it functional
Lmao
Anonymous No.719889681 >>719890023 >>719890631
>>719889196
I have 250 hours clocked and still have all 3 story locks in place, and I just gave up while slogging out trying to find the triggers for them
Somehow I read fucking every other joke route first including comedy

>>719889270
Same here kek, i feel like I'm being punished for killing Eito because nearly all the fucking routes for that choice are awful filler trash with either mind control bugs or comedy
Then I ended up playing the fucking love route and retsnom too which felt like pure filler, all because I liked Darumi over the other class, so I just got burnt the fuck out before anything interesting happened

>I went through most of the comedy route because I got either of the real endings. Made me hate the game so much
I'm never playing another VN type game again unless I have a guide if there's choices out the ass, I'd take Rain code or Dagan's linearity over it any day
Anonymous No.719890023 >>719890631 >>719891330
>>719889270
Right, I feel especially bad for anyone who got Comedy or Romance right after the prologue. I'd recommend any new player to at least read the spoiler-free branch guide and try whatever route sounds interesting
>>719889681
That's fucked. I mean, if you want to know the story lock routes for SF, it's Box of Calamity ending 34 and 36 and Slasher ending 72 and 76
Anonymous No.719890045 >>719890271 >>719890602
Ok can we go back and get Rain code 2 now, I'd take it over anything Kohacka has released this year. Game was good outside of some obvious flaws they could fix in the sequel like the cases actually mattering in the real world.
Anonymous No.719890173
>>719889270
before I got*

Basically I couldnt tell when the game was going to branch and decided to branch or there was going to be a story lock so I had to just keep going. And it even backfired on me because I didnt expect the dumb Gaku exorcism ending to be required either later
Anonymous No.719890247
>play Tribe 9
>cancelled
>play 100L
>it's dogshit Uchikoshi filler choice slop that never ends
>now this trash has trannies and western pandering
3/3 and Kodaka is out
Anonymous No.719890271 >>719890543
>>719890045
>flaws
indeed, releasing it on the switch was a mistake
Anonymous No.719890543 >>719896585
>>719890271
Yeah that too, but I honestly liked the game because it was pretty short, linear and had a comfy atmosphere. I never felt bored with it honestly.
Obviously it needed more time to cook, for example the blue haired detective guy needed more screentime before case 4, because they shoved all his backstory in a fucking side novel (they did this with 100L too for Hiruko).
Then they could just make the cases matter so the murderers don't drop dead randomly after the mazes and it's fine.
I think the biggest gripe for me though was the case 0 cast on the train were more interesting than the characters we got to play with, in fact Kurumi literally absorbed all their screentime anyway. Needless to say I haven't gone back to play their post-launch DLCs because who cares.
Anonymous No.719890602 >>719890708
>>719890045
>Game was good
No it wasn't
Anonymous No.719890631
>>719890023
>>719889681
Also since you did the kill Eito branch, you probably already hit Mystery's story lock, so you need to continue S.F and you will reach the 3rd lock which will take you back to Mystery, and you will need to get ending 100 to finish S.F. And I'm assuming you completed Slasher so it's just BoC you need to do
I don't know if Shuten Order is the kind of game that needs a guide too. Hopefully not
Anonymous No.719890708 >>719891367
>>719890602
yeah true I stand corrected, it was a masterpiece compared to 100L
Anonymous No.719891150
>>719881443
She has amnesia
Anonymous No.719891235 >>719891576 >>719893990
So apparently the translation is completely fucked in this, nonsense lines, typos and text overflowing boxes.
Also reading that it's a buggy mess that keeps freezing.
Can any anons confirm?
Anonymous No.719891330 >>719891475
>>719890023
In DR games the comedy dating minigame shit comes after you've finished the main story, in 100L you can stumble upon it without realizing and ruin your excitement and momentum the story had going for it.
It's just a bad fucking decision they made to make the game like this, same with making the prologue for the lowest common denominator of brainlets who has no critical thinking ability
Anonymous No.719891367
>>719890708
Well not that I can change your mind or that I want it but it wasn't for me. I guess I just had way more expectations for RC and it turned out to be a game that took 2 steps back from Danganronpa.

It really makes me question what the fuck Kodaka was doing.
Anonymous No.719891475
>>719891330
also one thing I noticed was in a lot of the more goofier routes they dropped hard spoilers for the main routes, granted it might go over your head or you might think "nah Sirei is fucking with us". But really feels like the overall structure needed polish. Instead they wanted 100 endings no matter the cost
Anonymous No.719891576 >>719891829 >>719893990
>>719891235
Reviewers said it's pretty bad
>[...] there are blatant errors like: punctuation issues, extra lines, missing spaces, line overflow, inconsistencies between the text and UI, misattribution of speaker, strings that make no sense in context, mistaken nuance, and so on.
Also this picture from the game which just. lol
Anonymous No.719891751
>>719889628
>dead child
Anonymous No.719891829 >>719892096
>>719891576
coping for a day 1 patch
Anonymous No.719892096 >>719893196
>>719891829
Don't hold your breath. Hundred Line fixed some issues in the localization weeks after the demo came out
Anonymous No.719892252 >>719892518 >>719892642
>1 minute wait between dialogues
My pc can't be that shit wtf
Anonymous No.719892518
>>719892252
Probably buggy port.
Anonymous No.719892642
>>719892252
You have to push fast-forward.

I stopped playing for now because it felt like I was missing something because it is so buggy.
Anonymous No.719892846
Anonymous No.719892898 >>719893065
>>719886942
Fitgirl says it's upcoming. Just wait for now, I'll be damned before I spend any money on this
Anonymous No.719893002
Anonymous No.719893065
>>719892898
>>719886942
igg games you fags
Anonymous No.719893196 >>719894205 >>719894484
>>719892096
Yeah I guess it's another beta testing situation like Hundred Line, I'll wait a few weeks/months for them to make it playable
Anonymous No.719893390
works on my machine
Anonymous No.719893705
>>719882352
this looks like dohna dohna
Anonymous No.719893990 >>719894835
>>719891235
>>719891576
Should've gotten AI to do it. Troonlators can't do their jobs at all.
Anonymous No.719894205 >>719894484
>>719893196
I think they didnt expect Hundred Line to be so successful and buggy so they had to do post launch updates like hardmode and the DLC for it it and then forget about polishing Shuten Order.
Anonymous No.719894484 >>719895149
>>719893196
>>719894205
Shuten Order isn't TooKyo. Kodaka is just being contracted for that, and it's likely that all the bugs are the fault of the developer (some company called Neilo Inc) as well as the publishers for not really giving a shit (EXNOA and SpiChun).
Essentially, this is the followup to Rain Code more than it is to Hundred Line.
Anonymous No.719894542
>>719861597 (OP)
>ZERO ESCAPE CREATORS
Yeah I wonder why nobody gives a shit about those hacks...
Anonymous No.719894835 >>719895021
>>719893990
>Troonlators can't do their jobs at all.
this is a QA issue
Anonymous No.719895021
>>719894835
Okay tranny
Anonymous No.719895149 >>719895437
>>719894484
maybe they should stop putting his name front and center of all of this stuff because its negatively affecting his reputation when they think his "games" are failing
Anonymous No.719895437 >>719898554
>>719895149
SpiChun just does that because his name is marketable.
"From the creator of Danganronpa" still holds weight because DR is among the most internationally successful VNs of all time.
Anonymous No.719895850 >>719896864 >>719897019 >>719897797
Dogshit garbage trying to salvage itself by appending DANGANRONPA CREATOR KODAKA!!!! into its opening statements. In reality, he's doing next to nothing, and of the 15-25 hours you'll play this for, his action time will amount to no less than 5 hours.

Give us the Hundred Line DLC instead. Or Rain Code 2. Or anything that's not this piece of shit.
Ah, of course, they'll probably be nothing for sometime. 2 years is the usual trend.

DR1 (2010) -> DR2 (2012) -> UDG (2014) -> DRV3 (2016)
Just look at that.

Rain Code (2023) -> Hundred Line (2025) -> ? (2027)

? = will either be really good, or really bad. Nothing in between with this guy.
Anonymous No.719895997 >>719896215
there will never be a good visual novel at this point I'll have to make my own with AI art
Anonymous No.719896171
>>719881037
>implying Danganronpa was somehow "based" despite being made for and attracting exactly these types of people
Anonymous No.719896215 >>719896430
>>719895997
What have you written previously?
Anonymous No.719896217
>pander to trannies
>lose chud demo
>don't pander to trannies hard enough
>lose tranny demo
What would one call this business strategy?
Anonymous No.719896273
>>719861597 (OP)
When does the crossover with Dohna Dohna happen?
Anonymous No.719896430 >>719896534
>>719896215
Legal essays. No one is less qualified than I am. But I did craft a one-chapter VN in Tyranobuilder before.
Anonymous No.719896528
>>719889270
thank god I accidentally lucked out into the second scenario route on my first time lmao
and then I got fucking "serial battles" and it filtered me for some weeks
Anonymous No.719896534
>>719896430
Count me as wishlisted.
Anonymous No.719896585
>>719890543
>they could just make the cases matter so the murderers don't drop dead randomly after the mazes and it's fine
The idea was that Yuuma had to deal with basically killing them for the sake of solving their crime. If you didn't read the DLCs, well guess what: it doesn't fucking matter because it's teased they can cure the homunculi that were killed so in the end NOTHING mattered.
Anonymous No.719896864
>>719895850
you realize if he barely worked on it then its not affecting The Hundred Line DLC right?
Anonymous No.719896941
>>719861597 (OP)
>day AFTER silksong
terrible release timing
Anonymous No.719897019 >>719897318 >>719897362 >>719901042 >>719903654 >>719904564
>>719895850
Every Kodaka game this happens lol, I don't really get it.
I remember when people shit on SDR2 back when it was basically just DR1 and 2. Then when UDG got translated, people shit on that. Then, V3 comes out and people say it's shit and he should make UDG2 (this was real).
Fuck, someone saying Rain Code and Hundred Line are good enough to warrant sequels is surreal, because I am willing to bet that there is a thread in the fucking main site archives that is predominately calling Hundred Line a gigantic piece of shit, and fucking NOBODY liked Rain Code.
Anyways, your assessment is retarded and wrong lol. Ignoring the fact V3 didn't even come out in 2016, here's his actual works:
>2009
Detective Conan vs Kindaichi
>2010
Danganronpa
>2012
Danganronpa 2
>2014
Ultra Despair Girls
>2016
Kirigirisou
>2017
Danganronpa V3
>2020
Death Come True
World's End Club
>2023
Rain Code
>2025
Hundred Line
Shuten Order
Anonymous No.719897049 >>719897219
>Shuten Order doesnt have working cloudsaves
yeah thats a yikes as a steamdeck enjoyer
Anonymous No.719897219 >>719897341
>>719897049
Oh, it's a pirate then. Thanks for the heads up, I really need to make sure I check the store page for that.
Anonymous No.719897318 >>719897468
>>719897019
>Kirigirisou
Doesn't count. Kitayama Takekuni did everything.
>Detective Conan vs Kindaichi
Doesn't count. Sakamoto Toyokazu's game. He did everything. Kodaka was hired to scribble out some measly tricks.
>World's End Club
Doesn't count. It's Uchikoshi's game.
>Shuten Order
Doesn't count. Kodaka does the prologue for Ministry of Security's section (1/5th of the game) only.

Anything else?
Anonymous No.719897341
>>719897219
not on the page and theres a discussion confirming it. How the fuck do you even forget to do this in 2025. Its almost automatic at this point
Anonymous No.719897362
>>719897019
>and fucking NOBODY liked Rain Code
I did...
Anonymous No.719897468 >>719897703
>>719897318
>Anything else?
Even if you remove the ones I mentioned, your retarded pattern doesn't work out, it just becomes this:
Danganronpa (2010)
SDR2 (2012, +2 years)
UDG (2014, +2 years)
V3 (2017, +3 years)
DCT (2020, +3 years)
Rain Code (2023, +3 years)
Hundred Line (2025, +2 years)
Anonymous No.719897504
is Uchikoshi actually a hack?
Anonymous No.719897703 >>719897754 >>719897797
>>719897468
>doesn't work
Every 2-3 years good shit comes out, exactly as you agree, and as you've written. HL came out in 2025, next game worth anything will come out in 2027/2028.

Pattern holds.

Anything else?
Anonymous No.719897709 >>719898292
>>719883663
Don't worry little zoomer, I'm sure they'll make a game for your short attention span.
Anonymous No.719897754 >>719898227
>>719897703
>Every 2-3 years good shit comes out, exactly as you agree
But every game you removed is magically not a Kodaka game, so what you're actually saying is that every game Kodaka makes is good.
Anonymous No.719897797
>>719897703
>>719895850
This is the dumbest poster on this site.
Anonymous No.719897871 >>719905550
I just want to fuck the shota desu
Anonymous No.719898227 >>719898308
>>719897754
Not magically. Those other games, they're not conceptually begot from his brain, and as such aren't his. On the other hand, conceive it from the ground up, it's yours. Form the draft and outline in totality, and it's yours.

Uchikoshi formed World's End Club.
Shuten Order was formed by through an amalgamate to begin with.
Sakamoto Toyokazu formed Detective Conan vs Kindaichi ( which anyway are created by their respective mangaka )
Takekuni formed Kirigirisou.

However,
Danganronpa was formed by Kodaka, uniquely.
Rain Code was formed by Kodaka, uniquely.
HL was formed by Kodaka, uniquely. Substantiating's something else however.
Therefore- Danganronpa is a Kodaka game. Rain Code is a Kodaka game. HL is a Kodaka game.
All the games are good. That is, if they're Kodaka games, of which the next will release in 2027 or 28.

Anything else?
Anonymous No.719898292
>>719897709
Ima is so fucking hot in his class armor
Anonymous No.719898308 >>719898454
>>719898227
>HL was formed by Kodaka, uniquely. Substantiating's something else however.
The majority of Hundred Line is Uchikoshi.
Anonymous No.719898436 >>719898561
>>719861597 (OP)
Is it good
Anonymous No.719898454 >>719898520
>>719898308
The majority of Hundred Line was substantiated by Uchikoshi, the game's genesis however was carved by Kodaka, who anyway went on to incorporate his own complete route into it, long enough to be a Danganronpa game in itself. Substantiation and primogenitation are different things.
Anonymous No.719898520 >>719898751
>>719898454
>The majority of Hundred Line was substantiated by Uchikoshi,
The majority of the game is in his writing style, utilizing his tropes (narrative, setting, and character tropes), with the majority of the routes and twists being in his style.
Anonymous No.719898554 >>719898654
>>719895437
They are retarded, Capcom and even Konami understood it's better to say bye bye to ungrateful boomers and just hire new talent, see
>>719863605
Kodaka and Uchikoshi are way too lazy for those games now, but Danganronpa still had the ace attorney but battle royale tool, just hire someone else instead of letting the ip rot to the point people won't care anymore
Anonymous No.719898561
>>719898436
No
Anonymous No.719898654 >>719898775
>>719898554
>I wanted to be milked like a cow
Anonymous No.719898751 >>719898798
>>719898520
Structuring a story with the cadence and stylistics of an author doesn't mean said author is himself an active participant involved in all the writing, in all its entirety. Why make that conflation?
Anonymous No.719898775
>>719898654
Kodaka himself is the one relying on Danganronpa baits
Anonymous No.719898798
>>719898751
It's far more Uchikoshi than it ever was Kodaka.
Anonymous No.719899065
>wait for a sale
>wait for all the bugs to be fixed
seems like a win win situation here. Guess I'll go play Season of Stories
Anonymous No.719899240 >>719899413
I don't get why this exists, though I'm probably the only one that bothered to read it. It would have made sense if it was released freely a few weeks before the game was out, but all it really does is bring up setting-related stuff that's probably going to get explained within the first hour of the game. There's no point for someone to read it after they already bought the game.
Anonymous No.719899413 >>719900459
>>719899240
How long is that?
I think Hiruko's novel has the same problem.
Anonymous No.719900459
>>719899413
60 something pages
Anonymous No.719901042
>>719897019
Rain Code's Chapter 2, the academy arc was KINO. From the investigation to the actual mystery dungeon to the mystery and twist. That being said, Rain Code conceptually doesn't work as a game. I don't mind seeing a sequel but they gotta redesign the entire structure of the game because it's too jarring to have these mysteries being solved in a separate dimension from the actual setting where the story takes place.
Anonymous No.719902208
>>719883870
thanks god
Anonymous No.719902743 >>719903343 >>719903367 >>719903585 >>719903820
Anonymous No.719903343
>>719902743
Is that the loli
Anonymous No.719903367 >>719903458
>>719902743
>loli kiss the male protagonist
I WILL NOW BUY YOUR GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous No.719903407 >>719903585
>>719861597 (OP)
I'm playing Silksong. I'll play it after unless it ends up being really bad
Anonymous No.719903458
>>719903367
The protagonist is a woma
Anonymous No.719903585 >>719903792 >>719903820 >>719903838
>>719903407
See >>719902743
It can't be bad because no DEI shit.
Anonymous No.719903654
>>719897019
>and fucking NOBODY liked Rain Code.
I thought Rain Code was an alright 7/10. I'm not asking for a sequel but I'd play it if they made it.
Anonymous No.719903792 >>719903841
>>719903585
I don't care about kissing, DEI or politic bullshit. I care more about the gameplay being decent and the mystery being decent.
Anonymous No.719903820 >>719903919 >>719903935 >>719903972 >>719904036 >>719904246 >>719913807
>>719902743
>>719903585

Lesbians need support.
LGBT.
Be more diverse. Like Kodaka. There's a MtF as well. It's good they've stopped with the boring male mc + het shit. hated that trash.
Anonymous No.719903838 >>719903935
>>719903585
>no DEI shit
The main character is a woman
Anonymous No.719903841 >>719903919
>>719903792
Troon.
Anonymous No.719903919 >>719907704 >>719913534
>>719903820
>>719903841
it's 2025. there's nothing wrong with transgender folk.
Anonymous No.719903935 >>719904016 >>719904085
>>719903820
>>719903838
It can't be DEI because it has loli kiss. Loli kiss is anti-DEI hence it's not a DEI game, sorry you lost, it's a cunnyge with -9999 DEI score.
Anonymous No.719903972
>>719903820
This, except unironically
Anonymous No.719903994 >>719904246 >>719904481
fyi the reason Kodaka doesnt care about this game is because it's not by tookyo, he only wrote the prologue
Anonymous No.719904016 >>719904102
>>719903935
The main character is a woman
Anonymous No.719904036 >>719904917
>>719903820
>rei
>cv: saiga mitsuki
yep, it's secretly a boy
Anonymous No.719904085 >>719904246
>>719903935
idc what u say. I'm happy w/ the story since it doesn't have shitty het romance, shitty male mc's, shitty 'sexual' 'straight' 'fanservice', and there's some nonbinary ppl. it's lame to keep doing shit for normal, boring men. u guys have everything else.
Anonymous No.719904102
>>719904016
Doesn't change the fact there's a scene where you kiss a little girl.
Anonymous No.719904246
>>719903820
>>719904085
Fuck off to /lgbt/ dumbass.

>>719903994
Advertisers don't even feel a shred of shame not clarifying this. They make it seem like he's doing everything.
Anonymous No.719904481
>>719903994
Who is the genius that had the idea to have the loli kiss the protag?
Anonymous No.719904564
>>719897019
>NOBODY liked Rain Code.
it's the best 7/10 game i've ever played, there's a lot i like about it that makes me wish for a sequel that could very easily fix the big flaws
Anonymous No.719904613
Wait so Kodaka didn't even write the whole thing? What's the point then?
Anonymous No.719904917
>>719904036
Hey, it's not the first time she's voiced a boy (female) (actual)
Anonymous No.719905171
>>719880893
>>719881005
Based.
Anonymous No.719905550
>>719897871
We'll spitroast and fill him with cum together.
Anonymous No.719906058 >>719906802
>>719861597 (OP)
People saying silksong killed this game are coping. The truth is people are just sick of not-Danganronpa
Anonymous No.719906180
Is the loli trans
Anonymous No.719906242 >>719906315 >>719908278 >>719917743 >>719923557
tranny game
Anonymous No.719906315 >>719906465
>>719906242
Crack 'yer egg and take a pounding
Anonymous No.719906465
>>719906315
Anonymous No.719906802
>>719906058
On the contrary, the only thing people want from Kodaka is not-Danganronpa and he won't give it to them.
Anonymous No.719907704 >>719915910
>>719903919
yeah, there's nothing wrong with transitioning every kid before puberty, amirite
Anonymous No.719908278 >>719917743
>>719906242
That's the MTF character as well lol. I can only laugh.
Anonymous No.719910003 >>719910096 >>719910768
what's the twist?
Anonymous No.719910096 >>719910224
>>719910003
Probably something dumb like (you) did it
Anonymous No.719910224 >>719917050
>>719910096
the killer was twin fetuses 17 years in the future
Anonymous No.719910401 >>719910650
>>719861597 (OP)
Overall Reviews: Mixed
Anonymous No.719910650 >>719910856
>>719910401
the chinese
Anonymous No.719910768
>>719910003
that it costs 50 dollars instead of 20
Anonymous No.719910813
I boughted it to show my support for my man Hideo Kojima creator of the camera.
Anonymous No.719910856
>>719910650
it's also mixed in English (albeit barely)
Anonymous No.719910962 >>719911456 >>719911610 >>719913630
https://store.steampowered.com/app/555950/Danganronpa_Another_Episode_Ultra_Despair_Girls/
80% off, and I never played it, worth?
Anonymous No.719911456
>>719910962
Anonymous No.719911610
>>719910962
Yes
Anonymous No.719912770
Anonymous No.719913534
>>719903919
>it's 2025. there's everything wrong with transgender folk
fify unironically
Anonymous No.719913630
>>719910962
It's my favorite danganronpa.
Anonymous No.719913807
>>719903820
Lol faggot giving his opinion on what he likes or not
Anonymous No.719915910
>>719907704
mooooooom he's getting mad at things that don't happen again
Anonymous No.719917050 >>719923626
>>719910224
i understood this reference.
Anonymous No.719917743
>>719906242
>>719908278
Looks cute, so I don't care.
Anonymous No.719919463
Anonymous No.719920960
Does Rei get naked in this game yes or no
Anonymous No.719923557
>>719906242
pass
Anonymous No.719923626
>>719917050
Everyone does, mate. It's a Kodaka thread.
Anonymous No.719923801
>no eng NSP yet
Anonymous No.719923839
Anonymous No.719924454
>>719887968
wtf is this real?
Anonymous No.719924789
>>719878303
>>719878214
>>719878129
>>719863443
Ironic weebs are the 2010s grrl gamers of anime.
They don't actually watch anything, they just absorb knowledge of popular shows through cultural osmosis via twitter and other social networks, and when confronted with basic bitch otaku anime like Ryofuko-chan or Moetan they react with revulsive contempt borne from confusion exactly like the normalfags they truly are.
Anonymous No.719925530
>wake up
>still no patch
Hurry up
Anonymous No.719926152 >>719927536
Is it true the translation is bad? Not like typical 4chan translation seethe, but the actual grammar.
Anonymous No.719927536
>>719926152
typos, sentence fragments, awkward syntax, inconsistent genders etc