Thread 719881971

What's the harm in using these to download your entire Steam library?

you would not use ssds to back up your games, obviously

>>719882025
The S in SSD stands for sissy.

>>719882165
what does h in hdd stand for

>>719882769
Hideo

>>719881971 (OP)
Why do you need your entire library available at all times? 2-3 games is enough at a time.

>>719881971 (OP)
>seagate

>>719882892
Never had a Seagate fail on me GIGACHAD

Only HDDs that have failed me I have moved a lot. Portable HDDs were the biggest meme of all time.

i've been using the same hdd for over 10 years in my gaming pc and it's gone from my boot drive to my games drive to now a storage drive for game captures and a download location. no issues at all aside from it being slow to initially load some folders. also been using an external pocket drive with my xbox since 2015 which is now plugged into my xbox series x and no issues with that either. i've been thinking of replacing my pc hdd with another nvme but i just can't motivate myself to buy it when everything works fine currently. but famous last words right.

>>719881971 (OP)
Overall I have about 5-7 TB of HDDs in my house, might as well use them to store some data.
Just old HDDs that have been replaced, No pint in throwing them away of course.

>>719882892
There's a 1TB seagate in my computer that's from the Obama administration.

I have a 120gb hdd from 2004 that's still working great, i put it into my phat ps2 and installed freehddboot on it and around 20 games. good shite.

Some games are no longer designed to work on HDDs.

>>719884431
that's a meme. new games on a hdd might load slower but once everything is loaded they run the same.

I want to move everything in my old 3.5" hdds (around 10 or so TB) to a bunch of these.

>>719884567
This is wrong. The sony games on PC make heavy use of SSDs during gameplay and I doubt they are the only ones.

>>719884797
why? they're even more overpriced thans ssds

>>719885039
post proof

>>719884567
Try playing Warhammer 3 Total War with an HDD, takes like 10 minutes to load any battle and like 15 minutes to go back to the main campaign map.

>>719885049
True, but how sweet is it to have your entire 20 years of storage at the palm of your hand like this?

>>719882769
High-test

>>719884797
This is very bad idea. SD cards are a horrible storage medium. You want to use HDDs because they have the most advanced storage protocols that make them work fine even if they start breaking down. The anons here keep saying their decade old HDDs work fine is due to these protocols, in reality their HDDs are definitely heavily degraded.
>>719885690
>cold storage
This is an even worse idea. SD cards need to be regularly powered up. HDDs handle cold storage really well.

>>719885039
They do work by my understanding, there's "just" loading screens in places where fast SSD could be more or less seamless gameplay

>>719881971 (OP)
disgusting zoomer

>>719885791
Fine, i'll just move everything to a 2.5" 16TB hdd.
Also, am i imagining, or did they used to make even smaller hdds? I distinctly remember 1.5" hdds existing at some point. or something similar, i remember being advertised as "small as a credit card", back at around 2008

If you lost all your games one day you'd realise the next week that it doesn't matter at all. You can download any game in 1 hour in the first world

>>719881971 (OP)
HDDs are fine for older/lowspec games or storing games to move to an SSD later if you have slow internet.
Newer more demanding games, especially open world games, will struggle to run off of an HDD. Or at the very least you'll have really long load times.

>>719885039
I'm playing TLOU2 off of HDD and it runs fine. also played and finished Spider-man 2 a couple of months ago no issues.

>>719882892
seagate probably makes more HDDs than every other brand combined

>>719886209
There were all kinds of magnetic media based storage mediums made in the late 90's and early 2000's. Zipdisk etc. Once flash memore became cheap enough most became obsolete.

All the common HDD brands are fine. If they don't show problems in the first months they are probably going to last many years without any problem.

>>719885791
>advanced storage protocols
larping brainlet detected. Name one "protocol"

>>719886574
My Samsung hdd from 2010 found bad sectors in the first week I had it, I was planning to rma it but couldn't be arsed, so I just kept using it as a drive just for games and movies and shit, and it's still working to this day. Haven't found any bad sectors since. Very peculiar.

>>719884567
I had to buy large SSDs because I've got games that are just atrocious on HDD or even broken.

>sounds to me like you're playing a shit game

>>719884797
That's so fucking retarded, you should do it.

>>719887097
Play better games.

>>719884797
Based retard

>>719884223
I harvested all my uselessly small HDDs for their magnets and motors. 10x'd their usefulness instantly.

>>719886969
Imagine being such an infantile 12 year old retard raised on smartphones that you don't even know all HDDs have Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology (SMART) and SD cards do not.

You know, the reason you can actually check the health and sectors of your HDDs at any time.

I had a hard drive die on me recently
It's a mechanical error so I can fix it if I had torx screwdriver
I've yet to have an SSD die on me

>>719887308
Didn't know smart magically makes your HDDs work when they start failing. Good to know!

>>719887308
The absence of SMART isn't what makes SD cards shit, you retard.

>>719881971 (OP)
You need to steam to run them, so why bother? You should just pirate them like a sensible human.

>>719882769
heroic

>>719887612
Are you telling him to pirate games he already paid for?

>>719887695
If he intends to keep a backup that will remain accessible forever, it makes sense.

>>719887296
>their magnets and motors. 10x'd their usefulness
What are you doing with individual magents and motors?

>>719887435
>if I had torx screwdriver
need a bit more than that

>>719882769
Harddrive

>>719887587
Yes it does. Information not being exposed to the user and the manufacturer being completely in charge of black box maintenance of the card without verifiable data to the user alone makes HDD protocols much superior since they are based on verifiable data given out by the HDD itself. SD cards can fail for ages and you will never know. SMART is a big factor for why HDDs are so reliable for storage. Improving a system always starts with requesting reliable data.

>>719884347
How did you get a hard-drive from the Obama admin?

>>719887435
I have HDDs from the 90s that still work. In fact of the ~20 I have bought over my lifetime only one has failed and it was 10 year old backup hardrive at that point

>>719887930
Same way he got in. Stealing

No one ever answers that question but what if your mothership storage that delivers the main data to all your backups fails silently and you're backing up essentially corrupted data?

>>719887612
he shouldn't pirate but he can use a steam emulator to bypass their basic drm

>>719887930
What level of education have you completed?

>>719881971 (OP)
There's really no point. Steam dying isn't on the horizon, and the odds of you having to install something during a Steam outage or your own internet service going down are low.
Unless, of course, you have really slow internet speeds. Then you might be justified.

>>719887817
I've watched exactly one "fixing" video and to fix the ticking you just need to fasten the part that reads the disk and they used torx

>>719888089
black levels

>>719885791
SD cards don't need regular power like SSDs.

>>719882769
holid

Oh cool a storage thread

Hey I have an issue, whenever I play a game and it need to load the next match, there's like a 50/50 chance it will make the SSD it's installed to spin up to 100% usage and shit up the pc. The only way to fix it so far is to hard reset the PC.
I've installed CrystalDisk but it won't recognize 2 out of my 3 drives (one of them being the SSD in question)
is there anything I can do? The SSD is relativley new too and I don't remember having any sort of issue like that.

>>719887817
>a bit
i see what you did there.

>>719888330
what exactly is "spinning up" in your ssd?

>>719887863
Can't find the article, but Google said that all their smart data is practically useless and most failures were not detected by SMART.
You want reliable data? You get a redundant storage setup. Relying on shitty diagnostic data is retarded.

>>719888330
SSDs don't spin, they are SOLID state drives. How large is your RAM? Sounds to me like you don't have enough RAM and your system might have created virtual ram on your SSD.

>>719888437
Probably means these percentage values

>>719881971 (OP)
it's fine for pre 2013 games
it genuinely can't run a modern operating system or games though

>>719888330
You didn't fall for the
>16 GB ram is enough
Meme did you?

>>719887863
If you rely on SMART for reliability, consider all your data lost.
SD cards are shit not because of no SMART, but because they use the shittiest flash memory they can, with a very low TBW. So they die after very little writes.

>>719888330
>ssd
>spin spin drive

>>719888610
I have shit loads of games on my 12 TB HDDs and I have found as long as they are bloated shit like BG3 they run just fine

>>719888330
If it's thrashing your pagefile, you likely don't have enough memory. With enough headroom, it might barely access your pagefile.

>>719888330
sounds like a cheap temu "ssd" to me.

>>719881971 (OP)
If loading times aren't an issue there's literally nothing wrong using HDDs. The recent meme of
>"OMG EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE ON AN SSD!!!"
is fucking stupid. Most games don't even benefit from it.

>>719888739
that doesn't really contradict what I said

>>719888808
Most games do benefit from it, dipshit. Even if they don't require a SSD, the load time differences on the vast majority of games is worth it.

>>719888808
SSD is like internet with a great adblocker while HDD is internet without using an adblocker.

ssd for games/apps/os so they don't take years to load
hdd for images, videos, random files etc.

or just ssd if you are not a hoarder and only interested in gaming and shit

>>719884797
>4 whole whopping TB in that tiny little thing
jesus christ does anybody else think technology has gotten so good to the point it's actually getting scary

>>719881971 (OP)
none, really. i have most of my library backed up on a nas using steam's backup tool.

>>719889035
It is

>poorfag cope itt
SSDs are just better and crazy cheap. It's a no brainer.

>>719889000
>hdd for images, videos, random files etc
Videos are ok on HDDs but if you have lots of images, definitely use a SSD.

>>719888437
>>719888674

I meant it reached 100% utilization. It was meant as a figure of speech
>>719888541
>>719888631
It would appear so. My build is from 2019...
>>719888764
I'll have to check
>>719888778
PNY 1TB SSD, iirc it was something like 80ish bucks on amazon

>>719889035
Not a good time to say this when hardware has been stagnant for the past 5 years,

>>719881971 (OP)
Nothing. I plan to do that. Not sure about bigger tittles though. Not sure transferring off of an HDD would be faster than just downloading the game. HDDs are fucking slow.

>>719889035
No
I want the entire complete historical jav library in a 200 exabyte testicle drive.

>>719888908
Kek fair enough. God I hate the modern game landscape

>>719882769
homo

>>719889284
Buy ram. It's dirt fucking cheap and the biggest QoL for your build. I do not understand people cheaping out in ram

>>719889140
> 10MB for $3398
Alright. Expensive, but I'm sure this was the equivalent of buying an SLC SSD today.

>5MB for $2898
This is what makes me mad. This is much, much worse than AMD and Nvidia upselling their GPUs.

>>719889191
ssds make no sense for cold storage
besides they're still 3x as expensive for the capacity

>>719882769
Hormonereplacementtherapy

>>719889363
>Not sure transferring off of an HDD would be faster than just downloading the game
Good HDDs are a little faster than a 1gbps internet connection. So unless you can download faster than 1gbps, transferring over from an HDD will be faster.

>>719881971 (OP)
>enterprise

You can play games off these right?

>>719881971 (OP)
>download your entire Steam library
90% of those games won't start without having Steam installed and online.

You own NOTHING.

>>719889904
you crack your steam games by replacing a single file dummy

>>719890006
pls crack dead space remake saar

>>719889445
This is my dream. Carts are so fucking gay and I wish Nintendo did the courageous thing (as a tech leader) and made memory tits.

>>719889830
What's wrong with enterprise?

>>719889363
>>719889707
>Good HDDs are a little faster than a 1gbps internet connection.
1Gb = 125MB. Even a regular consumer HDD can reach mid 200s MB/s. An enterprise grade HDD hits 300MB/s and up (sequential, not random),

>>719890476
>Go over to robo wife
>Peel back nipple for usb port
That's it mang

>>719890552
Nothing. They're just noisy and retail warranty is sometimes nonexistent.

>>719890646
You seem like you know a thing or two. What WD HDD would you recommend? I want a large one, so over 15TB.

>>719890234
denuvo and forced online games are still the minority

>>719890758
Anything Seagate
Make sure it's Barracuda, those are known for their low failure rate.
Put all your important files in it and never worry again.

>>719890758
>You seem like you know a thing or two
"Meh" tier in HDD knowledge.
If going WD enterprise grade, you have two good choices - WD Gold and WD Ultrastar (also called HGST Ultrastar). They will be very expensiv, though. I think WD sells the most expensive disks out of all the current brands.

>>719890918
Seagate still have the highest failure rate and Barracuda disks are SMR, not CMR.

>>719890918
I have 2x Seagate and they work fine, but I want a WD for the future.

Post your high scores homofags

>>719891012
Nah, Seagate is the absolute best brand
SMR is a godsend

>>719891030
What value do you want?

>>719891030
Those stats are useless.
The only real reason to replace a HDD is when you hear clicking noises.

>>719891040
>SMR is a godsend
I disagree.

>>719891123
Post score or fuck off, nerd

>>719891159
You're just a shill

>>719891171
>SAAAAR SAAAR POST SCORR SAAAR!

wait, do I get a seagate or not

>>719890234
i'd rather deal with denuvo than have an obtuse box that needs to be permanently violated into never being used online again if i want to jailbreak it

>>719891258
Hard to shill for CMR. Seagate Exos 16 and up are good, but their failure rate is still not the best.

>>719891508
>bunch of made up graphs that mean nothing in real life
SMR is the future

>>719891450
>pc mustard mentions consoles out of nowhere
brain broken

>>719891404
exos and ironwolf pro should be fine, seagate and toshiba are just noisier on average compared to wd

>>719891574
>SMR is the future
Only in the sense that it will live side by side with CMR and HAMR.
https://www.seagate.com/pt/pt/innovation/hamr/

>>719891615
what could you possibly mean then? no one gives a shit about physical on pc because you have control over basic file management

>>719891682
>toshiba
I recently bought an MG10-D 8TB and it's suprisingly quiet. The spinning itself is audible, but the noises it makes during actual work is pretty tame.

>>719891159
Immutable data like games is best for SMR. Pay less for slower writes, but read speed is still good. Doubt you're writing the entire drive very often.

>>719891872
SMR slows down more significantly as it gets filled. Even for cold storage, if you have a 15TB disk filled to 14TB, that last 1TB, if you want to write anything, will be slow as shit.

>>719891868
that's why I said on average, you might get a noisy wd too

>>719891789
>crack (every) Steam game via single file
>demonstrate that's not the case
idk how consoles, physical games, or file management come into play here

>>719886230
Yeah this.
Also I'm not poor and have 8tb of nvme's.

Only AAA modern gaaaarbage will take about an hour to donwload with gb connection.

>>719892102
denuvo isn't a feature of digital games, as evidenced by the fact that most of them don't fucking have it
the only real difference between physical and digital on pc is where the files are since you can make physical media yourself

>>719884431
The only game I've ever had issues with on a HDD is sandrock because the devs are idiots and scatter 100,000 files on your drive. Any well developed game is optimized for hdd loading and packs its files together for quicker access.

>>719892102
oh yeah, and it's not like the physical media was even good back when it existed
remember limited cd keys and registering for online games?
functionally a steam rip and a cd with a game on it are the same

If you don't have a server all backup strategies kinda suck for external drives. I regularly fail to make my 1 month and 3 month backups due to simply lack of discipline. At least I have now a shutdown script so every time my computer shuts down at least the most important data gets backed up to clouds and internal HDDs.

>>719892496
>Any well developed game is optimized for hdd loading and packs its files together for quicker access.
There's absolutely no incentive to do this anymore.

>>719882769
himbo

I have a 1tb drive my boot and os are on and a 2tb drive for media, both nvme. I want to organize my files and applications better. I want to store all my regular media (videos, music, maybe LORAs and models) on the 2tb and local applications, documents, and general build files on the local drive.
Where should I store my vidya? G!mes that take like 30GB, games I may want to uninstall with minimal disk cleaning (I know defragmenting is done automatically now, but for organizational purposes). Should I throw them into the 2tb as well? I know nvmes have a really low response time so I'm not worried about that.

>>719893182
Buy a cheap SATA SSD and install OS there.

>>719893006
So why don't you script the backup to the external drives? Don't want to keep it connected? If they don't spin up it's basically like cold storage.

>>719893354
Yeah they are not connected. I just connect them to update the backups periodically, one monthly, one every 3 months. These backups are for human error, sometimes you delete shit you only later realize was dumb.

Cold storage backups are an absolute must for any solid backup strategy anyway, not sure how to make this convenient.

>>719887759
It’d be a lot easier to download them from Steam and then install a Steam emulator aside them, I would think.

Still feel cramped desu.

>>719882769
hentai

>>719886969
The Cole Protocol

>>719889284
>PNY 1TB SSD, iirc it was something like 80ish bucks on amazon
I had to replace my PNY SSD recently because it completely died. I bought that thing in like 2019, too. Prepare yourself to also replace yours.

>>719882848
okay snoy

>>719890918
Ironically, the first SSD to ever fail on me was a Barracuda. I bought it in 2011 when I built a new PC to play Skyrim. It died from a firmware update. :’(

>>719882892
There used to be those 3TB drives that fail more often than others but that time is long past

>>719894509
I had one of the bad batches of 870 EVOs, thankfully I caught it early and was able to RMA it without any data loss.

>>719881971 (OP)
If you just want to store it as a backup it would be fine, but for actually running games it may not be. Some games are going to load extremely slowly off of HDD.

>>719890562
Yeah and I pay for (and get) 750 MBs but have never seen more than 100MBs from steam so meh

>>719881971 (OP)
taking 10 mins to boot up KCD2 and baldurs gate 3

>>719882769
Heterosexual

I need moar

>>719882769
Highquality

>>719896374
Anon... That's a lot of drives, but not a lot of storage.

>>719884431
*all games
The amount of games that still run well on HDDs can be counted on one hand.

>>719884567
>might load slower
We call this "unplayable".

>>719896791
PC of theseus.

>>719887612
>buy game like a white male
>crack it to bypass Steam
Literally the only correct behavior.

>>719887612
>move the folder into your steam location
>try downloading it so it gets autodetected
alternatively
>download goldberg and replace the file

>>719881971 (OP)
Is this the thread where //g//ech fags try to convince people that HDDs are still relevant and practically useful for anything besides cold storage?

>>719881971 (OP)
It's a Seagate drive, so the harm is that once you are finished the drive will fail.

>>719898103
I use it for Plex, porn and comics

I back up all the games I pirate and all the lolis in an HDD, so when the censorship holocaust reaches the Internet, I can have a massive library of games and lolis, the only two things a gamer needs to subsist.

>>719898270
>sanest onirism player

>>719898103
SSDs are 4x $/TB. So if you want to hoard, you'll be paying out the ass for SSDs. Should be getting 1TB SSD as a scratch disk at most.

>>719898359
Why yes, I have an onirism copy in there and images of Carol.

>>719881971 (OP)
That shit's so slow it would take you like a day just for a few games. Your internet connection is probably faster than the bandwidth of those HDD's. That's how slow they are.

>>719898958
>Your internet connection is probably faster than the bandwidth of those HDD's
Any good HDD will be 1.5-3x times faster than a 1gbps internet connection. Assuming those shitty CDNs will even saturate your connection.

>>719898652
Not everyone is interested in saving TBs of porn anon

>>719899251
Hoarding is the premise of this thread, retard.

I have a 3tb seagate from 2013 a few pc's ago that outlived a dead sandisk ssd, load these bitches up. HOARD

>>719882769
HDD = Hard Drive Disk

>>719898652
HDD is only good for small file sizes like movies, music or old games. As soon as you get to modern gaming with file size of 50-100GB+ each transfer could take you like 4 hours.

>>719899546
i'm tryin'

>>719896374
why in the world would you need a FAT32 partition for?

>>719889140
what would you even put in it at that time?

>>719899696
That is an ancient portable drive that I by accident broke the enclosure for. It existed as a means to backup files from my PS3 and to this day has some of the files on there so I never bothered to reformat.

ATF now requires an account to view images, I will download the entirety of Nozomi loli content before it is too late, and you should do the same.

>>719899636
>each transfer
why are you moving stuff from disk to disk all the time? HDDs outpace most internet connections, so it's not a problem.

HDDs are obsolete trash only used by people on watch lists.
>slow
>ugly
>loud
>fragile
>power hungry
>don't fit into SFF cases
>barely fit into mid towers
>bring spaghetti cabling
>in turn ruins a clean aesthetic

>>719900510
I'm not using your shitty ass ssds you fucking glowie

>>719900510
>aesthethic

>>719882165
Why do poor people have an irrational hatred of things that they cant afford?

>>719901310
SSD is like the cheapest component in a PC. Even RAM is more expensive these days

>>719901310
My HDD's probably cost more than your SSD's

>>719899386
It's storing GAMES. Which means OP might intent to PLAY them in the future, which an HDD won't be able to.

>>719899610
Really, nigga?

>>719888089
black belt in gorilla warfare, 300 confirmed kills

>>719899610
Based ATM machine explainer.

>>719881971 (OP)
Why did they do it?

>>719881971 (OP)
>seagate
Never ever, never had a HDD die on me except for seagate crap.

No use wasting SSD space on old games that run as good on a HDD. Shrimple as.

Store your shit in eternal M-Discs, then install in an SSD for playing. Simple as.

What HDD should I pick up for anime, movies and TV? And porn?

So, what are high volume MicroSD cards good for, other than phones and smuggling lots of data in your stomach or ass?

>>719904010
I'm not a nigga.

>>719905141
I use it on my Wii for Gamecube/Wii games, and on my MiSTer for all my roms. You can also use them for stuff like the xStation ODE on the PS1 for PS1 games, or on an MMCE for a PS2.

>>719904723
dis is the way

>>719900123
I'm not a pleb so I don't do hoard downloads but instead have a highly curated set of images with each image being good enough to make me cum buckets on its own. That way it's also super easy to backup perfectly.

>>719882769
Hitler

>>719882812
top kek