Thread 719883708

What am I missing?

So after yesterday's commotion on Steam, I decided to start Hollow Knight. Since it's so highly acclaimed, I'm enjoying it so far. It's pretty cool, but I'm not finding it all that great. What makes it so special? What am I missing? It's a Metroidvania with above average difficulty, OK, but what else is there? What is the game's strong point?

>What makes it so special?
casuals first metroidvaina, a couple of bosses are tight, but nothing beyond that

>>719883868
>casuals first metroidvaina
is that why you are struggling to beat it?

>>719883708 (OP)
Its a fun, solid game with great artwork and atmosphere. Thats it

>>719883708 (OP)
It has dark souls aesthetic for closeted faggots

>>719883708 (OP)
It’s like dark souls… but in 2D :o and look, the animation looks just like the videos from this gen z youtube animator! look bro it even has le deep lore about a cursed fallen kingdom!

>>719883708 (OP)
Came out at the right time at a low price. Plus nice music.

>>719883708 (OP)
I liked HK and I'm liking SS but they're definitely overhyped, the insane sales were the results of 5+ years of meme buildup. Redditards in particular had basically formed a cult around it and generated a lot of buzz

>>719884017
Dark Souls is really a 3D Castlevania if anything. It's weird I never see or hear this in any conversations.

>>719884135
Castlevania lets you unlock new abilities and movement options to backtrack and unlock certain puzzles, souls doesn’t have that

>>719884135
It's been said many times over the years.

>>719884135
Dark Souls is an expanded King's Field. Literally

>>719884102
That's what I wanted to know, what made people hype the game so much?
There must be something about the game that particularly resonates with those people, for example Exp33 main plot is about grief, which I can understand why people love it

But I'm not going to stop playing tit, I'll definitely finish this game

Metroidvanias are about feeling. For example I absolutely love Castlevania and Metroid is kind of meh for me, but I can see why people like it.

I hope silksong normies won't leak into my 'vanias.

>>719884586
silksong is harder than your vanias, which means normies are better at videogames than you

>>719883708 (OP)
>cheap
>easy to run
Also lots and lots of astroturfing

>>719884673
You don't even know what games I am talking about, retard.

The strong point is viral marketing. They paid a handful of ebin maymay ecelebs that zoomers worship to start off by claiming HK was anything more than mediocre. After that false premise was established, they just had to build on LE HYPE with a decade long wait for the sequel. As you can see from the threads, people are already aware it's shit barely 24 hours after Shillsong's release.

>>719884359
when the first one came out it was basically viewed as a cutesy 2D Dark Souls and Fromsoft was really damn popular (DS3 had come out the previous year) and "in" at the time, also it was a lot of people's first metroidvania and it had a big scope for the genre and a cheap pricetag. Then the devs showed goodwill by expanding the game with free content several times, which put them in a really favourable light in the eyes of the fans. A plethora of other metroidvanias came out since then but none felt quite like HK (for better or worse) in terms of gameplay, story and graphics, so the sequel was highly awaited

>>719883868
>casuals first metroidvaina
All metroidvania games are casual, it's on the casual end of platforming. This IP is on the lesser end of casual. I would only put la mulana above it in "difficulty."

Someone who exclusively plays metroidvanias, and feels the need to make it a part of their identity and try to gatekeep them, is a casual who they themselves needs to be gatekept.

>>719883708 (OP)
>What am I missing?
normalfag zoomers first metroidvaina

>>719883708 (OP)
it's mostly ovehyped by autistic fixation, like Sonic fans, just because they find the character designs appealing and the lore "cool"

>>719884749
I actually do because you are a poser

It looks good and plays good, what more do you need?

>>719883708 (OP)
>so after suffering from fomo like the rest of my terminally online generation I decided to
Shut the fuck up, incel.

I loved Hollow Knight, started playing this yesterday and went back to playing old arcade games after dying a couple times. I'm getting too old for this shit, don't have the patience to retrace my steps mindlessly for five minutes just to challenge a boss again

>>719883708 (OP)
I thought the same thing, it was the first Metroidvania I played and sure I enjoyed it, the music was nice as was the level design but it wasn't anything amazing.

>>719883708 (OP)
Pretty much the same reasons casuals get fixated on Souls games. They're pretty good games that have a reputation for being hard even though they aren't really hard, and dumb kids and thirdies think bad worldbuilding is super deep and atmospheric if you get tidbits of lore about a dying kingdom and mad rulers.

>>719884017
dark souls is metroidvania in 3d, hollow knight is still just a shitty metroidvania though

>>719883708 (OP)
>above average difficulty
Shills have no self-awareness. Nobody was complaining about HK difficulty before the last couple of days when they started getting filtered.
>What am I missing?
Any quality that would make you something other than a pathetic faggot.

>>719883708 (OP)
Nothing, haven't played both of them and I don't feel like I've lost anything.

>>719885702
/thread
There is nothing in SOTN or super metroid harder than anything in hollow knight. It makes boomers seethe

>>719883708 (OP)
>What makes it so special?
manchild reddit hype. Both games are literally 0/10 and easily beatable with wemod.

>>719883708 (OP)
It does get better as you play more.
Generally though there's nothing standout special about the game, it's just generally solid in a world where few games are all-round in quite the same way.

>>719885702
I agree wholeheartedly with this post

>>719888276
Video games aren't about being difficult. That's what you soulsfags don't understand. Difficulty is in fact a negative thing when it's not directly tied to challenge & skill. You zoomer faggots have successfully corrupted game design with this. Instead of mastering good games with high skill ceilings, you play mediocre games with artificially high skill floors. Souls games are glorified movie games. They only sell because zoomers like watching people die to cinematic boss animations.

>>719888775
I literally never played a souls game
I just understand one thing. If there's nothing to overcome in a video game then it's not a game but a toy, which most older classics praised to 11 actually were. In an ideal world legendary games are ninja gaiden NES, punch out and battletoads instead of baby movie game slop like ocarina of time or braindead jrpgs of that era

go back to /tv/ or play animal crossing with women/troons

>>719888775
>Instead of mastering good games with high skill ceilings, you play mediocre games with artificially high skill floors
what's this senile rambling supposed to mean? Even "difficult" modern games are more accessible and easier than old difficult games so idk where this "artificially high skill floor" shit is coming from

>>719883708 (OP)
It's a SotN clone with Dark Souls combat and a Newgrounds art style that really resonates with autists in a similar way to Undertale.

>>719890251
>It's a SotN clone
No it is fucking not.

>>719888775
souls isn't even a hard game
you are just a retard and casual shitter or a zoomer yourself

>>719883708 (OP)
>Since it's so highly acclaimed, I'm enjoying it so far
>Since this, (therefore) that
So you literally need approval from metacritic to enjoy stuff, sounds like you are a fucking robot

>>719890832
Every Metroidvania game is a SotN or Super Metroid clone.

>>719891225
No, especially not when you specify SotN clone. If HK and Silksong were SotN clones, they'd be much better games.

Boomers played Super Metroid and SotN.

Zoomers had hollow knight

>>719891336
no, zoomers played hollow knight and emulated super metroid and sotn
boomers only played super metroid and sotn and got filtered by hollow knight
that's why they seethe so much

>>719891521
I beat Hollow Knight and didn't understand why peoole thought it was hard. When you grow up on arcade, NES and Genesis games that are designed to kick you in the balls in the most unfair way possible, nothing in Hollow Knight is remotely hard. Anyways, Super Metroid and SotN are far better games than HK.

>>719883708 (OP)
It's a game for transinsects.

>>719891914
100% you didn't beat Hollow Knight, you fought Hollow Knight and thought it was the final boss, retards like you have no cognitive function for nightmare bosses and Radiance

>>719884135
Because nobody cares about castlevania anymore. The comparisons were brought up all the time when discussing how castlevania should have transitioned to 3d.

>>719883708 (OP)
Standards have risen to insane levels.
It used to be average wasn't good enough; now good isn't good enough.

>>719892108
I beat Radiance and then the DLC circus guy when it came out. When you're actually good at video games (you'll get there one day) you don't get hung up on pretending that difficulty is the sole indicator of quality to the point that you pretend and average difficulty game is better than an easier one even though the easier game is actually better on all fronts.

>>719891521
This
Hollow Knight is better than those games despite all of its problems because it actually offers a challenge to overcome, naturally. I have fun speedrunning and breaking down Super Metroid (watch malding boomers who hate games call me a tranny because I actually try to master a game) but other than that it's an easy game with no challenge whatsoever. A nice way to pass the time, or a toy

SOTN is more of the same, it can even be made easier if you play it like a JRPG (a failed genre by design)

>>719892576
I want to believe this is bait, but I know you're serious.

>>719892576
>Twilight in binary code is better than The Iliad because it's harder to read
cultureless neanderthal

>>719892441
post achievements

>>719892782
>>719892790
there's nothing gameplay related SOTN does better than Hollow Knight, it barely has any level design, challenge, and things that make a videogame good
music and art is subjective
I would advice you to play more vidya, but the problem clearly is a lack of taste and critical thinking

>>719888187
>>719891059
you brown can't read

>>719892839
Sure. Keep the thread alive for another hour or so.

>>719893132
>there's nothing gameplay related SOTN does better than Hollow Knight
Except for movement, exploration and combat in the sense that you have a lot of options. HK is a very barebones game that's just kind of big and padded. Mechanically, it's boring. When you grow out of your difficulty=quality phase you'll realize that a one note game isn't better than a more complex one with options just because it's a little harder.

>>719893132
>play SotN for 30 seconds
>realise I can time my attack so it comes out with no delay
already a better and more mechanically complex game than HK

>>719893478
>"cant read" despite literally quoting the sentence
Nigger you cant even write

>>719883708 (OP)
it gets better the more you unlock

>>719894163
>still fails to comprehend OP's question

anon...

>>719893863
Yep you're another shitter casual falling for the trap of "more options = more depth" meanwhile gameplay wise it changes nothing. That's an issue especially with games with a strong focus on RPG mechanics, giving the player an illusion of playstyle to make up for the lack in interactivity, mechanical depth or combat feedback. Hollow Knight and Silksong have a basic moveset but in the case of Hollow Knight the endgame boss fights require you to actually engage with platforming and to be aggressive (risk-reward) to be beaten. You can't just hide in a corner spamming super missiles and end the encounter in a few seconds or spam that arc throw weapon in castlevania to cheese fights. Some low tier bosses in hollow knight also have that issue where you can just face tank damage and wipe them out quickly but this is the norm in metroid and castlevania games
And it's not like hollow knight is much harder. It's mid compared to actual difficult platformers of old.

Unironically if you played Rabi-Ribi or Hollow Knight coming back to zero mission or Aria of sorrow is impossible. Those games offer nothing other than aesthetics unless you're speedrunning and aiming to play them at high level, and the majority of people aren't speed runners. Certainly not the posters on /v/ who call speedrunners tryhards or trannies

>>719893863
>>719894030
there's no way you are being for real or played both games, silksong has much more options and engaging combat than sotn, it's not even close, it's absurd to compare it even to the original hk, in sotn you just mash at the bosses and they all die, everything in just a xp piñata, am I going insane? am I talking to bots?

>>719888775
>game criticized for being "baby's first" metroidvania
>people accurately point out that it's not true
>pivot to criticizing difficulty

>>719895079
you don't get it because you have no capacity for imagination or creativity. You were likely raised on soulsgames where you beat the boss once and it's permanently dead. You were never raised on games with dynamic difficulty where you challenge yourself at your own pace and express yourself creatively.

>>719889016
>>719890889
>t. can't read

>>719895352
Everyone can do self-imposed challenges, in any game. I do it often, it's fun
Go on, name a game with "dynamic difficulty"
You don't know what you're talking about because you treat games as if they were toys. Your obsession with soulslop is proof because that's your only frame of reference

>>719895060
>Yep you're another shitter casual falling for the trap of "more options = more depth"
More options with more mechanical interactions is more depth, yes. Getting upset about it and trying to turn it into a discussion of skill won't change that. A game isn't better simply by being a little harder. Hopefully you grow out of that truly casual mindset at some point. Your premise is wrong, and you won't get any more replies if you just keep doubling down on it.
>Certainly not the posters on /v/ who call speedrunners tryhards or trannies
That's the second time you've brought up speedrunning and trannies unprompted. Sounds like all the insults you get here bother you because they're true.

>>719895352
oh so you are a dark souls hater too, that makes sense

>>719895079
How many moves do you have access to at any given time in HK? Mechanically, what do they do differently than one another besides range and amount of damage?

About to start Hollow Knight on Switch.
How fucked is this version? I'm assuming very fucked.

>>719893478
It is wrongly written. The sentence should be:
>So after yesterday's commotion on Steam, I decided to start Hollow Knight since it's so highly acclaimed. I'm enjoying it so far.

>>719883708 (OP)
Nothing. That's it. Reddit came in their pants and then trooned out over this game because the character looks like a Funko Pop and the art style is like a Tim Burton cartoon. There is nothing special about it. In fact, I would go as far to say that of all the indie metroidvanias with Soulslike elements out there, it's one of the worst.

>>719895580
>you treat games as if they were toys
You're the only tranny here talking about imaginary dichotomies between challenging games and toys. And yes, the dichotomy is entirely imaginary.

>>719895060
>>719895626
Just barging in, in monster hunter the weapons actually do change the gameplay a lot because you have to tackle monsters differently. It's a case where having more indeed means more depth. Not sure if it works for 2D platformers

>>719883708 (OP)
I think it's mostly just that it has a great art style.

>>719883708 (OP)
>What makes it so special?
Nothing, the pleb newfags to gaming just didn't play Castlevania/ Metroid games.

>>719883708 (OP)
>What am I missing?
Nothing. Hollow Knight is really just a good metroidvania and nothing more. I don't understand why Silksong got so much hype.

>>719883708 (OP)
Before you embarrass yourself further, I implore you to watch a few YouTube video essays on how Hollow Knight breaks you.

>>719896089
Most retarded strawman ever, I played all of them before Hollow Knight and Hollow Knight is better than all except Super, which I would say is on the same level, honest question, how old are you?