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Anonymous No.719888368 >>719888540 >>719888702 >>719888953 >>719889493 >>719890539 >>719892405 >>719893602 >>719896136 >>719897581 >>719897690 >>719900474 >>719900740 >>719902501 >>719903184 >>719903247 >>719903359 >>719903473 >>719903725 >>719904692 >>719908767
I think I will just keep playing Genshin instead of that 2d game everyone is talking about.
Anonymous No.719888459
erect cock inside of hutao
Anonymous No.719888502 >>719888554
>Keep playing shit instead of playing with vomit
Bravo
Anonymous No.719888540 >>719892405 >>719897690
>>719888368 (OP)
Understandable.
Anonymous No.719888554
>>719888502
Monster hunter wilds and world of warcraft sucks dick
Anonymous No.719888595
>playing gacha shit

lol
Anonymous No.719888702
>>719888368 (OP)
Genshin's sequel Genshin Impacat: Song of the Welkin Moon releases on Tuesday.
Anonymous No.719888773 >>719890295 >>719894312
I hate male characters
Anonymous No.719888953 >>719890193 >>719903303
>>719888368 (OP)
Still the undefeated king of videogames
Anonymous No.719889183
Didn't enjoy Genshin that much, would suck Paimons toes for sure though
Anonymous No.719889493
>>719888368 (OP)
>retard just found out he could have some free will
>is still le trapped
many such cases kys bwo
Anonymous No.719890193 >>719890310 >>719890376 >>719893595 >>719902569 >>719903679 >>719903809
>>719888953
Exploration and music are the only good things left in this shit.
>oh boy, time to explore a new location
>bumble into a quest that auto starts and lasts longer than it should have

The average quest feels like
>walk by farm and old women insta starts a quest
>oh no, my crops are being attacked by monsters
>we'll help
>i'll give you some food
>oh boy paimon loves food! WE will help
>20 minutes explaining that this farmland was her husband's and he loved farming and it's bad that monsters are damaging the land
>paimon repeats this back but in simpler terms the farm being damaged is bad to make sure you understand
>walk 5 steps
>oh no! it's the monsters aaaiiieee!
>spend 5 seconds fighting them as paimon screeches something that gets cut off
>another 10 minutes of old woman reminiscing about her husband's famous carrot soup
>optional paimon being rude as some point but it's played off as funny and not rude as fuck
>reward is some primogems, mora to go into the billions you have and a recipe for carrot soup that boosts attack by 100
Or it could be some 5 minute long quest.

It's so draining.
Anonymous No.719890229 >>719893595
I think I'll never play Jenshin Impack and just masturbate to the characters
Anonymous No.719890295
>>719888773
Based.
Anonymous No.719890310 >>719895732 >>719895915
>>719890193
Genshin DESPERATELY needs the same kind of skip button they put in Star Rail.
Anonymous No.719890376
>>719890193
Exploration isn't good, art direction is
Genshin started as what could be a solid 7/10 but in the end it hovers between 4 and 5/10 depending on the patch
Anonymous No.719890539
>>719888368 (OP)
Even if Silksong is the worst 'vania ever made, at least it's not gacha, so it's about 10 classes higher.
Anonymous No.719891081
I just started a new try with genshin since it came out
How long would it take for me to get hu tau and the shotas?
Anonymous No.719892405
>>719888368 (OP)
>>719888540
would you stop posting lewd photos of my wife.
Anonymous No.719893246
I'm looking to BLOOOM
Anonymous No.719893595 >>719894391 >>719895636 >>719896291 >>719901376 >>719902413 >>719905052
>>719890193
Do people like exploration in videogames? Especially in Genshin? I felt the open world was soulless as fuck and you can only pick up shitty materials.

>>719890229
I played a little and got bored of this shit. Yae Miko is hot though. I might come back for her story one day.
Anonymous No.719893602
>>719888368 (OP)
I dislike Hollow Knight, but at least it's a real game and not gacha garbage.
Anonymous No.719894312
>>719888773
>airing your shit meme on /v/ when no one agreed with your shit meme on /vg/
nice humiliation ritual, have a pity (you)
Anonymous No.719894391
>>719893595
Damn this fox hag
Anonymous No.719895636
>>719893595
>Do people like exploration in videogames?
Yes, exploring and fighting are the 2 main components of any action adventure game, you have to enjoy at least 1 of the 2.
Anonymous No.719895732 >>719896302 >>719896334 >>719896558 >>719903864
>>719890310
People that cry for a skip button are not the kind of people you want in your community. The more they get filtered the better.

They're overwhelmingly low iq basic bitches with fried dopamine receptors, and probably f2p and esl to boot so they contribute nothing of value to the game's discourse except to whine that they aren't getting their 'rewards' quickly enough.
Anonymous No.719895915 >>719896334 >>719900263 >>719905195
>>719890310
For some reason Genshin only players take wanting a skip button as a personal threat to their lives.
Anonymous No.719896136 >>719901120
>>719888368 (OP)
Hipster motto
Anonymous No.719896291
>>719893595
>I felt the open world was soulless as fuck and you can only pick up shitty materials.
Anon, I think you're the soulless one here.
Anonymous No.719896302
>>719895732
>The more they get filtered the better.
How do you filter a normalfag-infested game like Genshit?
Anonymous No.719896334
>>719895732
>>719895915
pottery
Anonymous No.719896558
>>719895732
In a game with reasonable writing, that didn't stop you from reading at your own pace instead of arbitrarily slowing you down, this might have been a fair point.
But you're talking about Genshin. Any sane person would support being able to skip most of their filler word slop.
Anonymous No.719896679
hutranny
Anonymous No.719897581
>>719888368 (OP)
It's interesting that Genshin is not even about the game anymore, but about the communities that formed around it. It's like a video game book club with only one book.
Anonymous No.719897690
>>719888368 (OP)
>>719888540
What is the point in """playing""" gacha if there is no actual sex or impregnation?
Anonymous No.719900138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuXa_yxZMGI
How do you feel about the Nod Krai theme? I think it's pretty good same level as fontaines
Anonymous No.719900263
>>719895915
its like osrs players when jagex adds a new skilling method that makes things faster, the players who spent 600 hours doing the old method to get 99 start screeching
Anonymous No.719900474 >>719900728
>>719888368 (OP)
How dumb are you?
It takes like 5 minutes at most to finish your daily Genshin content.
Anonymous No.719900728 >>719900805 >>719904845 >>719904986
>>719900474
>5 Minutes
Post the video
Anonymous No.719900740 >>719900864 >>719900897 >>719900906
>>719888368 (OP)
>this artist
Did some shit where he begs for likes and retweets and didn't even come close to hitting the first goal.

What a clown.
Anonymous No.719900805 >>719901052 >>719901460
>>719900728
I already did it today.
Keep your thread alive until tomorrow and I will.
Anonymous No.719900864
>>719900740
Pretty sure it got posted on his pixiv anyway
Anonymous No.719900897
>>719900740
I find teasing like this, like pulling the shirt down, to be hotter than just showing.
Anonymous No.719900906
>>719900740
Why not? AI sloppa?
These usually hit their good boi points pretty fast.
Anonymous No.719901052 >>719901260 >>719904845 >>719904986
>>719900805
Where ? Post it. It just a simple catbox link or youtube link
Anonymous No.719901120
>>719896136
All western games have worse monetization than genshin.
>genshin
>all exploration/map updates, story, quests, events are free and new content patches come out every six weeks
>world of warcraft
>$60 expansion
>$15 a month
>for recycled terrible dungeons from fucking fifteen year old xpacs
>the season full of recycled content lasts like seven fucking painful months between patches
Anonymous No.719901260 >>719901357 >>719901406
>>719901052
Imagine being this retarded. You literally can't even read.
Anonymous No.719901357 >>719901406 >>719901460 >>719904845 >>719904986
>>719901260
So you cant prove it.
Im not even that anon.
Anonymous No.719901376
>>719893595
I'd say I care not for the furball, but here I'll make an exception.
Anonymous No.719901406
>>719901260
>>719901357
Actual ESL retards lmao
Anonymous No.719901460
>>719901357
>Im not even that anon.
You are. You're retarded as fuck. Imagine being so stupid you can't even understand a post as simple as this >>719900805
Anonymous No.719902274 >>719902329 >>719902390
Anons please stop fighting.
We all play Genshin
All of us are retards.
Anonymous No.719902329 >>719902512
>>719902274
I don't it's just
>haha funny pink fox hag
to me
Anonymous No.719902390
>>719902274
Anyone who actually plays genshin knows it takes less than five minutes to do dailies.
Anonymous No.719902413
>>719893595
nonny please...
Anonymous No.719902462 >>719903420
Guys, I really wanna have sex with Hu Tao.
Anonymous No.719902501
>>719888368 (OP)
you could at least play a gacha for straight men
Anonymous No.719902512 >>719902586 >>719902596
>>719902329
But funny pink fox hag hasn't been featured in an event for months...
Anonymous No.719902569 >>719903027
>>719890193
Imagine being this butthurt about recruiting Hashbrown.
Anonymous No.719902586
>>719902512
unlucky
Anonymous No.719902596 >>719902659 >>719904875
>>719902512
Outed yourself as not playing the game.
Anonymous No.719902659 >>719902764 >>719902775
>>719902596
>Outed yourself as not playing the game.
The worst sin in modern gaming...
What shall be his punishment?
Anonymous No.719902764
>>719902659
>What shall be his punishment?
Nothing, most of /v/ doesn't play any game they post about.
Anonymous No.719902775
>>719902659
Probably being stepped on by focks.
Anonymous No.719902925 >>719903034
Anonymous No.719902964 >>719902998
Post THAT Ganyu WebM.
You KNOW which one.
Anonymous No.719902987 >>719903046
Anonymous No.719902998 >>719903029
>>719902964
Anonymous No.719903027
>>719902569
???
Some made up example is butthurt over what now?
Anonymous No.719903029
>>719902998
Thanks anon
Anonymous No.719903034
>>719902925
Hootao
Anonymous No.719903046
>>719902987
nice
Anonymous No.719903056 >>719903210 >>719903404
Brace yourselves, the era of Lunar Ayaka is coming.
Anonymous No.719903125
raping hu tao's ass
Anonymous No.719903184
>>719888368 (OP)
Just masturbate to her
It's cheaper
Anonymous No.719903189
>5.0 introduces Mualani, the TotallyNotHawaiian girl who considers casual sex to be a way of saying Hello
>5.1 introduces Citlali, and Mihoyo struck gold. Hag Stonks will never be the same. Devs instantly regretted giving Faruzan such a backseat role
>5.3 has you pretty much marrying Citlali while simultaneously making the new year event all about waifuing Hu Tao
>Reminder that Mihoyo was scared shitless & refused to release her until AFTER the event in version 1. My how the tables have turned
>5.8 has you dating Yelan. An actual honest-to-god date, with no Paimon to butt in
We've been eating good in version 5, and yet fags will still complain.
Anonymous No.719903210
>>719903056
Anonymous No.719903247
>>719888368 (OP)
i don't play genshin anymore, but the hoot wank bank grows regardless
Anonymous No.719903303
>>719888953
this art direction is so fucking generic. looks like fucking summoner's rift from LoL
Anonymous No.719903359 >>719903556 >>719903661 >>719904106 >>719904816
>>719888368 (OP)
I've rerolled like 50 times now trying to get Mona or Jean on my first 10 roll, but I can't get it. Maybe I should just give up on the game.
Anonymous No.719903404
>>719903056
So what happens if I don't have C27 characters?
Am I just fucked?
Anonymous No.719903420
>>719902462
it's only natural
Anonymous No.719903460
Genshin has been really pissing me off lately.
I skipped all the quests and used the treasure compass to explore for me in the summer area, quit abyss at floor 11, quit the theater at stage 6, and didn't even bother leveling Ineffa.
Is it time I uninstall this game?
Anonymous No.719903473 >>719904845 >>719904986
>>719888368 (OP)
I'm gonna do my 3 minutes worth of dailies and then get back to that 2D game everyone is talking about!
Anonymous No.719903556
>>719903359
Rerolling is a mental illness. You really need to stop, the ass is not worth it.
Anonymous No.719903661
>>719903359
You'll get them eventually by just rolling on the limited character banners, unless you get Qiqi'd 4 times in a row or something.
Anonymous No.719903675
Why are jannies leaving up genshin coomer threads but deleting umamusume threads?
Anonymous No.719903679
>>719890193
>as paimon screeches something that gets cut off
Fucking lmao.
This alongside those split second black screen flashes of paragraphs make it seem like the writers don't want anyone to care about what's happening.
Anonymous No.719903725
>>719888368 (OP)
not playin genshin but jackin it to hu tao
Anonymous No.719903804
Post your cutest furiner
Anonymous No.719903809
>>719890193
I hate how accurate this is and that hoyo aren't self aware enough to change this. Or sane enough. They're chinese blizzard as far as I'm concerned.
Anonymous No.719903843 >>719904183 >>719904251
Loli Tao
Anonymous No.719903864
>>719895732
There'd be higher quality game discourse if the game has anything worth discussing.
I bet you're the same simpleton who thought Narzissenkreuz was good.

People won't skip if the content keeps their interest. Genshin is the only game I skip quests in.
Anonymous No.719904106
>>719903359
Stick with a good enough start and wait for around 3 weeks. There's a free 5* selector close to the end of the month. Should probably get your adventure level up, 30's gonna be good enough.
Anonymous No.719904183
>>719903843
Anonymous No.719904251
>>719903843
Surely the offline version to be released in 2057 will have all somewhat relevant NPCs reworked into having unique models.
Anonymous No.719904289
>Hu Tao killed herself on new year
>Qing ALSO killed herself on new year
Coincidence?
Anonymous No.719904316 >>719904439
Is it true that the new enemies in Nod Krai are so cancerous that fighting them without the lunar shit takes 5x longer? I don't want to roll for anyone before Columbina.
Anonymous No.719904439 >>719904808 >>719905580
>>719904316
God I hope so. I miss 2.0 samurai enemies.
Anonymous No.719904692 >>719905309 >>719905514
>>719888368 (OP)
Anything to know before getting started with this game? I heard the PlayStation 5 version is bad?
Anonymous No.719904808
>>719904439
>Start a leyline outcrop
>Enemies were like lvl 98 or some bullshit
2.0 was a wild time.
Anonymous No.719904816
>>719903359
You can pick a standard 5-star for free next patch which is like a week from now.
Anonymous No.719904845 >>719904991
>>719901357
>>719901052
>>719900728
>>282000583
Here you go, retard. Not even 5 minutes. It's 3 minutes and a few seconds. Counting loading screens.

https://streamable.com/xixr2y

>>719903473
Same.
Anonymous No.719904875 >>719905234
>>719902596
Fine, you little arrogant turd. Show me your Dire clear with Yae Miko if you're so much better.
Anonymous No.719904986 >>719905508 >>719905521 >>719905608 >>719905883
>>719901357
>>719901052
>>719900728
Here you go, retard. Not even 5 minutes. It's 3 minutes and a few seconds. Counting loading screens.

https://streamable.com/xixr2y

>>719903473
Same.
Anonymous No.719904991
>>719904845
>c6 citlali
I kneel
Anonymous No.719905052
>>719893595
brown hands typed this
Anonymous No.719905091 >>719905447 >>719908638 >>719909073
>Reading up on the lore I've missed.
>"Surcrose talked about Bakunava bullshit being encountered and fought by the Wanderer Troupe, before giving X made of that beast to Mondo to help fight the royalty"
Wait a fucking minute, I'm still not fully up to speed on Natlan but this sounds like bullshit. She said no such thing.
>Check the wiki edit history
>They indeed rewrote a fucking 2.1 quest in the last patch to incorporate the holiday resort bullshit into it.
Ohhh boy, if this is the level of quality we're looking at for their pathetic excuse of main lore threads they tacked on along the way and now want to explain in Nod Krai, this is going to be even more painful than I feared.
Anonymous No.719905195
>>719895915
I used to hate skip buttons but after playing Wuwa I realized how much nonsensical drivel there is to skip. Not main quest or voiced character lines but all the garbage NPCs tell you before starting a "take a photo right here and get 30 primos" type quests. Some of that shit should be skipped, but people skipping main quest are still retarded. At that point quit the game
Anonymous No.719905234 >>719905443 >>719905674
>>719904875
>dire
I'm not a gigawhale and I don't care about the temporary weapon skins. Here's my Yae clear for the difficulty that actually matters though.
Anonymous No.719905309
>>719904692
PS5 version is fine, it's PS4 that suffered from the absolutely disastrous Unity support for the platform.
Even Switch running an Android emulator through Linux seemed to run better.
Anonymous No.719905443 >>719905765
>>719905234
You can beat Dire with all C0R1 teams.

>REEEEE!!!! how dare you say i get weapons!!!!!
Stop wasting rolls on male characters.
Anonymous No.719905447 >>719905851
>>719905091
I'm still mad that the retconned the Kazari quest just to make Yae look less awful.
Anonymous No.719905508 >>719905943
>>719904986
In top of not doing every dailies, you also using a Pay2Win character.

Now do the same with starting character and the characters you get for free WITHOUT rolling

Go
Anonymous No.719905514
>>719904692
Playing the game on a controller feels fucking awful.
Anonymous No.719905521 >>719905707
>>719904986
Th-That doesn't count!
Anonymous No.719905580
>>719904439
The only annoying part about them was that they were immune to Venti's ult in order to shill Kazuha. Other than that they were just dangerous enemies, which is perfectly fine. What i mean is infuriating bullshit like those abyss spawns in Natlan where you need to fill a racism bar before you can even do damage to them, or that weasel that burrows underground, and the only way to get him out is either plunge attacks or waiting for 3 thousand years. From what i've heard, Nod Krai is full of shit like that but much worse.
Anonymous No.719905589 >>719905927
What do you think of the nerf to bloom self damage / buff?
They do like 40% as much damage as they used to, no need to run double healer in a Nilou bloom team anymore.
Anonymous No.719905608
>>719904986
By starting character i mean :
Lumine, Pyro bunny girl, Icey eye patch solder man, Lisa.

Go
Anonymous No.719905674
>>719905234
I must be the only retard in the world who can't clear purple turd with C0R0 Mavuika and she even has 100% CR and 200 CD.
Anonymous No.719905707 >>719905943
>>719905521
It really doesnt count. Of course anyone can do it in 5 minutes if you use Archon characters you farm for literal years lol. Also it seems he Only do towers and not other dailies
Anonymous No.719905765
>>719905443
>You can beat Dire with all C0R1 teams.
I don't feel like it, and that's only if you use the twinks like bennett or xingqiu, which I don't do. The zhongli is on my account because Yanfei debuted on his banner and I rolled for her, but got spooked early by zhongli.
I never REEd about the weapons, I said I don't care about them. The only one seething is you.
Anonymous No.719905851 >>719905956
>>719905447
remember the secret inazuma fatui quest about arlecchino? The one where the orphan who fled to inazuma said she can't abandon the mission because arlecchino will kill her, but surprise surprise it was another knave all along. I like genshhin's worldquests for thier worldbuilding but this is just dumb. Just let her be evil it makes for an interesting character. Fucking Sandrone cuts out some motherfuckers tounge because he broke a robot she was interested in, hope they don't retcon that one when she will be playable.
Anonymous No.719905883 >>719905993 >>719906017 >>719906067
>>719904986
Thats not everything you retard
Anonymous No.719905927
>>719905589
Removing mechanics from the game to shill brainless push button to win power creep characters.
Nothing new. Just as sad as when they cut the balls off of the grass. You could fucking napalm the Hilichurls back in the day, but the mouthbreathing Hu Taos and Dilucs suicided into it so it had to go.
Anonymous No.719905943 >>719906635
>>719905508
>In top of not doing every dailies
Your English is so fucking bad.

And you do dailies now by condensing resin.

>>719905707
>you're not allowed to use normal characters
Anonymous No.719905956 >>719906137 >>719906929
>>719905851
>Just let her be evil it makes for an interesting character.
Sorry, anon. That is NOT marketable. All their characters must be noble, fair and, if they do morally questionable things, it's because they're forced to due to a situation out of their control.
Anonymous No.719905993 >>719906635
>>719905883
It literally is, retard.
At best you could say I skipped opening the adventure journal to claim that dailies.
But that adds 5 seconds at most.
Anonymous No.719906017 >>719906635
>>719905883
Yes it is, dipshit.
Anonymous No.719906067 >>719906635
>>719905883
Yes it is? What did he miss? Commissions aren't needed anymore because spending resin now counts for them. Unless you're doing the card game shit maybe, but that doesn't get you primos.
Anonymous No.719906137 >>719907114 >>719907293
>>719905956
I still can't believe the asspull zzz did with Hugo to make him a dindu.
Anonymous No.719906170 >>719906273
I haven't played Genshin since 2022 and all my time and money wasted on my C6R3 Hu Tao and C6R1 Ayaka.
Something about Sumeru caused me to quit the game and never come back.
Anonymous No.719906273 >>719906431
>>719906170
I also quit during Sumeru but Fontaine was well worth coming back to. Natlan was kind of meh, better than Sumeru though. Nodkrai looks a bit shit but at least we'll get a lot of mini-regions
Anonymous No.719906431
>>719906273
I was thinking about coming back one to roll for Furina but heard she's a support character when I only like my waifus to be on field as much as possible. I didn't have it in me back then to C6 Nilou to make her into a onfield DPS. Bidenomics killed my gacha fund.
Anonymous No.719906635 >>719906817
>>719906017
>>719905993
>>719906067

Nope is not. Pretty sure before i quit, theres a top tower you can beat for currency. And other stuff but i forgot. He just doing artifact farming and thats it.

>>719905943
Archon character is not a normal characters. Use a character that easily obtainable. Ill be lenient this time. Use ONLY 4 star characters. No Bennet, No Liyue Cooking girl with Big Tanuki mascot.
Anonymous No.719906712 >>719906841
lol this monkey is just ragebaiting, ignore it.
Anonymous No.719906817 >>719907018
>>719906635
Learn English, retard.

>a top tower you can beat for currency
Are you talking about Spiral abyss?
That's a once a month thing.
Anonymous No.719906825
>gacha
>playing
lmao
Anonymous No.719906841
>>719906712
Thanks for Pseudo (You).
Like i said before, it just not worth your time. I rather jerk off to Hutao and thats it i guess, no need to waste """"""""""5 Minutes""""""""""" to """"""""""""play"""""""""""" the game. I rather read Visual Novels
Anonymous No.719906929 >>719907205 >>719907263 >>719908236
>>719905956
Exactly. Every single Harbinger they've shown has to have some sob story or "actually they're not that bad tho" twist now. Arlecchino literally being a child brainwasher and still getting a redemption arc is peak Hoyoverse writing. They don't want interesting villains, they want merch sellers with tragic pasts. Remember when Dottore was just a psycho scientist with zero moral compass? Now get ready for "but his clone was the evil one!!!" tier copium.
Anonymous No.719907018 >>719907695
>>719906817
None of us are english here. You and i are ESLs. Yakin banget kamu tuh Indonesia lol.
Pretty sure it once per week.

But eh, i dont give a crap about this game anymore, aside of some girls that makes my dick hard. But then i can just jerk off to it. I did the same to Blue Archive girls as well. No matter how pretty the Promo animation is, Its not a video game.
Anonymous No.719907114
>>719906137
Well he's Lelouch/Joker. You hear that voice you know there's going to be asspulls and keikaku galore.
You can't really use him and not do that.

It's the same as Gaia (Kaeya in EN?) in Genshin.
Anonymous No.719907205
>>719906929
But those ARE interesting villains
>nooo they need to be le joker
That's NOT an interesting villain
Anonymous No.719907263
>>719906929
>Remember when Dottore was just a psycho scientist with zero moral compass? Now get ready for "but his clone was the evil one!!!" tier copium.
That is so bad to the point I hope those bs leaks about him dying are true. On the negative side, no playable dottore and the Wanderer flags will be insufferable for several months celebrating the shilling, on the positive side, he may die as a dick, making him more memorable than half if the cast of copy-pasted archetypes.
Anonymous No.719907293
>>719906137
>le noble thief ended up being... le noble??
What were you expecting
Anonymous No.719907695 >>719909139
>>719907018
Genuinely mentally ill.
Anonymous No.719908236
>>719906929
Which unfortunately is very stupid because many Gacha games feature absolute dicks as playable characters and no one complains or stops buying currency.
Anonymous No.719908638
>>719905091
So they still can't be bothered to fix the 1.0 typos and wrong voice lines from the old mondstadt archon quest, but went this far to cover up the shitty plot retcon?
Anonymous No.719908767 >>719909024
>>719888368 (OP)
This picture is now categorized as CP in Texas.
I don't live in texas, so post more
Anonymous No.719909024
>>719908767
She's like 21 years old.
Anonymous No.719909073
>>719905091
Any more sneak updates like this one?
Anonymous No.719909139
>>719907695
Ironic