Thread 719889276

>antagonist has more plot armor than protagonist
name the game

>Joker breaks out of jail again
>kill a hundred more people again
>Gets caught by Batman
>"No... I will not kill the Joker, if I kill the Joker, he wins"
>Joker breaks out of jail again
>kill a hundred more people again

>>719889507
>not one police officer or asylum orderly has put a cap in him the moment Batman turns his back
Really if the people of Gotham are going to collectively allow Batman sole rights to capturing and incarcerating Joker then it's on them for refusing to defend themselves

>>719889276 (OP)
ocelot thoughout the MGS timeline

>>719889507
sounds like europe

>>719889840
Yes. Gottham isn't so corrupt after all.

>>719889507
Joker used to be a more small-time crimes kind of guy even if he did do the murder
My favorite is when he broke into the house of a random family during new years eve, tied them up, stole their presents and left
No beatings, no torture, no murder, just taking terrorizing them for funsies

Remember when batman left Talia's corpse to rot but gently princess carried the Joker who shot her at the end of ac? That was pretty funny.

>>719889507
So is the only reason Joker hasn't just be executed by the american justice system that he manages to secure the insanity defense?

>>719890346
>used to be a more small-time crimes kind of guy
His very first appearance had him publicly announce he was going to murder high profile men and steal their famous jewels.

>>719889276 (OP)
sonic the hedgehog

World of Warcraft

>>719890754
Yes, thats exactly why.

Mixed with Gotham (implied to) being in New Jersey, which doesn't have the death penalty.

>>719890765
Compared to now where he doesn't do anything that at the minimum doesn't involve triple digit murders

>>719890754
We've had this discussion hundreds of times. No the Joker wouldn't be able to secure the insanity plea since he knows what he's doing is wrong and isn't actually insane by law standards. The only reason he keeps getting away with it is because the writers say so

>>719890754
>>719890937
Gotham does have the death penalty and Batman has saved Joker from it on at least one occasion because someone was framing him.

>>719890754
Gotham has a blue major
Metropolis has a red major

>>719891008
>No the Joker wouldn't be able to secure the insanity plea since he knows what he's doing is wrong and isn't actually insane by law standards.
He hires lawyers good enough to get an insanity verdict. Or just bribes the jury.

>>719889840
the removal of the death sentence in most western societies allow filth like The Joker to thrive
think about who the real villains are

Honestly after a certain point you'd think the other villains would kill him because he's making life harder for everyone.

>>719891108
>He hires lawyers good enough to get an insanity verdict. Or just bribes the jury.
Yeah that's exactly kind of excuse the writers intend. Even in a California kangaroo court murderhobo Joker wouldn't be walking free. Prankster Joker probably would though

>>719891373
Batman would stop them, because he wouldn't be doing anything wrong at that particular moment.

>>719891373
They fear him. ("When criminals wanna scare each other, they tell Joker stories".)

>>719891584
But its Gotham. The number of non-corrupt law officials and politicians can be counted on two hands, tops.

>>719891373
>hear about a boner Joker is planning
>do your crime at the same time
>Batman can't be in both places
>regular police don't really exist
>odds of success just went way up

>>719890529
Bros before hoes

If Joker's lawyers are that good why doesn't Batman hire them on an exclusive contract with better pay than the Joker can afford?

>>719891816
They like his jokes.

>>719891816
...Ya know, I don't think they've ever covered that.

>Implying Joker has lawyers
He just goes "Hey Judgeypoo I know where you live and what icecream you like to eat" and the judge is all "ha haaa look at this insane asshole off to arkham with him again boys case closed"

>>719892330
Honestly, both work.

>>719892325
Poison Ivy "goons"

>>719892325
>if that faction existed in Arkham City

I think the appeal of the Joker is that he is the other side of the coin
Batman is the sigma male who was redeemed
Joker is the sigma male who wasnt

>>719892421
those are just goon zombies from other factions. I would be a Poison Ivy simp and just take orders from her blindly

How do comcifags read these stories which never end. Even if something happens you know it doesn't matter in the long run because characters can never die for real.

Bruce Wayne should use his social media division to spread the notion that Joke-based crimes are in fact racist. Joker, being safe edgy, will be forced to stop.

>>719892557
Alfred's been dead for almost 10 years now

>>719889276 (OP)
arthas in wotlk
he's basically team rocket

>>719889507
>>719889507
Batman cant just go around killing random fucking people. Honestly people who have this train of thought are retarded.

>>719892407
Joker laughs, and Poison Ivy goons

>>719892557
>characters can never die for real
This applies to everything once you realize the government failed us by allowing the Public Domain to exist. Everything you love will be ruined in 80 years when random schlubs start a new run of sequels.

>>719892746
It's more like Batman stops the trolley, puts the Joker in the driver's seat, and then switches the track for him.

>>719890937
Isn't Gotham supposed to be NotChicago?

>>719892969
Metropolis is the rich part of New York, and Gotham is the shitty part of New York

>>719892754
How is the Joker a random dude? He keeps doing it.

>>719891008
I think he was killed before and then revived himself or some shit
Its no longer about logic but the status quo and selling comics

>>719892969
No, Gotham is New York at night (when its was really bad, like most of the 80s), Metropolis is New York during the day.

>>719893071
>Gotham is in South Jersey
But South Jersey is the nice part of the state. North is where all the shitholes like Newark are.

>>719889507
Ok, so why doesn't the government that keeps letting him escape just execute him?

>>719892683
Sylvannas is even worse I hear. I quit before BFA, but Syvannas managed to do a fuckload of shit before that time, aparently went off her fucking rocker and chemical weaponed everything again, but I hear in BFA or Shadowlands she was redeemed because she was actually being Jonklerjailer manipulated or something

>>719893179
He pleads insanity. And hires lawyers or bribes the jury so it works.

>>719890937
I think Gotham is officially in Delaware, even though Gotham is clearly based of NYC (right down to the name IRL) and Bludhaven off of Newark.

At what level of mass slaughter do the Green Lanterns step in? Or can Joker bribe the space cops too?

>>719893071
>Gotham is Cape May
>Metropolis is Rehoboth Beach
You'd think people would be happier and saner from living in a resort town

>>719893336
>>719893071

>>719893383
Batman makes sure all the other heroes stay out of Gotham. Even when an earthquake made it a hellscape island cut off from the rest of America he forbid the Justice League from helping.

>>719893383
The Joker will just wear all yellow and slaughter the entire Lantern corps.

>>719893179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4

>>719893383
Batman gets pissy when other capes meddle in his turf without being invited.
He does invite them when needed, though. Superman helped save New York City when the Joker was appointed Iran's ambassador to the UN.

>Amanda Waller with government resources couldnt kill the Joker somehow
>Deathstroke once got contracted to kill The Joker and failed
>Jason cant kill him
>even in a fucking crossover Punisher was denied the Joker kill
Theres something BEYOND plot armor that Mister J. has. Like reality consciously asks bends its ass to him

>>719893521
What if they just ignore him and come anyway? Is he seriously going to prioritize fighting other super heroes in some autistic turf war instead of saving innocent lives? That sounds retarded for a character we're supposed to like.

>>719893231
>but I hear in BFA or Shadowlands she was redeemed because she was actually being Jonklerjailer manipulated or something

iirc the explanation is that when Arthas originally took her soul it was split into a good half and a bad half. The bad half was in the living world and then the good half was sent to hell. I think they used the good/bad soul thing for Uther as well but I don't really remember because the plot of Shadowlands was fucking retarded even by WoW standards.

>>719893521
>Batman makes sure all the other heroes stay out of Gotham. Even when an earthquake made it a hellscape island cut off from the rest of America he forbid the Justice League from helping.
But...
Why?

>>719893749
I don't recall the name of the comic arc, but a ton of supervillain got beamed off to some death world planet and had to fight waves of Parademons, and one of the villains narrates watching the Joker just dance between bullets while laughing his ass off, despite have no superpowers.

>>719892549
I doubt Ívy would be a type of person to have goons like that. Why have someone that can betray you when you can just brainwash them into loyal with plant powers

>>719893809
>>719893875
Story reason: they respect his choice and don't feel like dealing with his shit. Or are too busy fighting their own villains.

Real life reason: outside the Justice League, DC likes to pretend Batman and Gotham are an isolated little world to prevent questions like this (If DC is so full of superscience and magic, why did Barbara Gordon stay crippled?).

>>719889507
Batman is secretly the Villain. It's also why he keeps thinking up ways to kill everyone in the Justice League.

>>719889840
If not them, then another Villain would do it. If Black Adam or Sinestro wanted Joker dead, there would be nothing he could do to stop them.

Joker is canonically weak against rape

>>719889276 (OP)
Pretty much any series where the villain has to come back for the next game because he's the protag's iconic archenemy. So characters like Bowser, Eggman, Dr. Wily, Ridley from Metroid, K. Rool.

>>719893875
Because Batman's autism ranges from "Gotham is MY city and only me and my cadre of specially trained teenagers is allowed to keep it safe" to "Gotham is MY city and only I'M allowed to keep it safe"

>>719892325
Depending on which version of Poison Ivy, Humans that want to help Poison Ivy usually end up getting turned into mindless plant-infested Zombies.

>>719893521
>Even when an earthquake made it a hellscape island cut off from the rest of America he forbid the Justice League from helping
Didn't he himself abandon it? For what reason would the other heroes respect his wishes of staying out if he himself ran away originally never to come back?

>>719894174
No? He stuck with it the whole time.

>>719891350
is it the jews?

>>719894096
>If Black Adam or Sinestro wanted Joker dead, there would be nothing he could do to stop them
I'm sure he has a convenient device that deactivates the yellow lantern power battery from his cave in case that happens while also keeping it secretly hidden from Hal Jordan for no reason.

>>719890107
There are daily headlines in america about some nigger with 20 previous convictions murdering someone

>>719893383
GLs are usually encouraged to work with the local law enforcement

>>719893521
>he forbid the Justice League from helping
No Man's Land was officially cut off from America by the US Government, the Justice League had bigger issues than a Bat-Tantrum if they'd openly defied the Government and Army to dick around in there.

>>719890346
>a white guy stealing from a black family with a present father
how jewish was the writer?

>>719891350
>the removal of the death sentence in most western societies allow filth like The Joker to thrive
>think about who the real villains are
The US doesn't execute politicians and billionaires, even if they're traitors.

>>719893749
I mean it's basically canon that plot armor is an actual thing in DC.

>>719894359
The Justice League operates outside the US often though, they've got their HQ in the US but they're not confined to it forever because of it. If they want to go help people outside the US they 100% can and have.

>>719893383
Canonically even though it produces the strongest heroes, Earth is a backwater shithole that most alien races are hoping destroys itself.

>>719894347
Maybe, but they've proven themselves totally incapable of dealing with the problem.

>>719893383
Green Lanterns are extremely few and scarce. Earth is a god damn anomaly with how many human GLs there are for no reason other than we're humans and we write the stories. Earth is also the India of the universe and aliens have zero desire to see us thrive and spread out.

>>719894545
They think that even though it's only because of Earth that the multiverse didn't get totally wiped out already. How many Aliens stepped up to fight the Anti-Monitor?

>>719892549
>>719893951
Poison Ivy would be a lot more interesting if she were ugly and had to use mind control powers to get men. The only person who ever dared try that was Lauren Faust herself.

I'm more upset over how in the superhero world you can dish out brutal beating to random crooks and everyone sees you as a hero, but the second you kill some human monster for murder-raping pregnant women and eating their babies everyone freaks out and calls you a monster and every superhero from half the globe shows up to beat your ass

>>719894595
Eh, Gotham still has the same population, so large scale, Jonkler isn't that much of a problem.

>>719894825
Its the biggest difference between Marvel and DC. In DC heroes want the support of the populace and to be seen in a positive light, while in Marvel heroes are only in it for their own reasons and don't care what the population thinks because they can't do anything about them.

>>719894825
Reminder that Injustice was one big strawman argument. Everyone would agree with Superman killing The Joker. There should have been public outrage with the government or at least the Gothan Justice Department about them not executing him already.

>>719895000
Muties used to care. These days through, they basically went full Magneto.

>>719894919
A few years back, through a series of events too stupid to get into, Joker ended up with Batman's entire fortune and basically ran Gotham City. All the other supervillains hid out in an underground Penguin club to wait it out and every night the police were completely incapable of stopping Joker's thugs tearing up the city.

>>719894762
I count several there.
1. Earth 1 and 2 Superman
2. Supergirl and Powergirl
3. Martian Manhunter
4. Hawkgirl and Hawkman

>>719895107
Injustice wasn't about Superman killing the Joker. It was about the slipperly slide from putting his hand through Joker's chest to deciding he was going to Stop Crime on a global level by forcing the human race to play by his rules.

>>719895170
And then everything went back to usual for Gotham.

>>719895231
Cool that's maybe 2% of the people who fought the Anti-Monitor. All of those Aliens lived on Earth, too.

>>719895328
The Human race is run by evil people who force everyone to play by their rules. Israel faces no consequences for completely ignoring all UN Law and the USA routinely attacks small countries, kills loads of kids and sells arms to terrorists and nobody can do anything about it.

What I want to know is what drives so many people to work for joker in the first place
Other super criminals like Penguin or Two-Face are more reasonable choices because they want to do actual crime and can be actually fair, while Joker just ropes people into crazy schemes designed only to mess with Batman a little bit and everyday theres a chance he will walk up to you and say "Hey, do me a favour and kill your mom on camera or I will hack off your legs" because he's a sick fuck

>>719895328
We'd probably rather live under Superman than what we have now. At least Superman was ending wars and eliminating the homicidal maniacs.

>>719894787
I miss that show.

>>719895328
>slipperly slide
The whole reason "slippery slope" is considered poor reasoning is because of how insane it is to say that, for example, being a gardener is a slippery slope to being an ecoterrorist, or being able to cryogenically freeze your dying wife is a slippery slope to freezing the entire Earth for no reason at all, or that getting hot coffee on half your face is a slippery slope to deciding life and death with coin flips.

>>719895680
Thugs just spawn in clown make-up like a video game.

>>719895328
Oh no, a nightmare dystopia where powers totally outside my control dictate the rules I have to play by. Good thing reality isn't like that.

>>719895680
If he doesn't kill you, he pays well.

>>719895680
Joker used to be a mobster whos schemes and enterprise revolved around clown and gimmick card paraphernalia. He was insane in the sense that what actual mobster is walking around as a clown with acid flowers and exploding cards? But he wanted a criminal empire and profit and men would work for him. Most of the time he never killed and if he did it was a rival mobster. You found it more believable that Batman is sparing a man whos latest schemes involved racketeering and money laundering by taking over Gotham TV or something. Now its just Joker being an unrepentant mass murdering serial killer who chops his own face off and has a kill count in the tens of thousands.

>>719889276 (OP)
>antagonist gets raped

>>719895958
In his second ever appearance he kills a bunch of regular mobsters who broke him out of hospital and set up a job for him because he had no intention of sharing the loot

>>719895845
Imagine how horrible it would be if the power controlling everyone's lives couldn't be bribed... What if rich people were held accountable for their actions? How would we survive something like that?

>>719893692
Microsoft took on the IRS and won.
Joker is scrub.

>>719893908
>Psimon suggests immediately impregnating the female villains nonstop to create a sustainable population
>Joker immediately brains him with a rock because he doesn't want to live in a society
One nothing wrong with me

There's an easy solution to the Joker problem, you know.

>>719889507
Yes that's because Batman is just as fucking crazy as the joker, just the opposite end of the spectrum. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results every time is also pure insanity. Batman is a fucking nutter billionaire running around in a bat costume, it's just modern capeshit garbage that made.

>>719889507
Why would it be on batman to kill the joker? He already captures him and deals with him each time.
Asking more of him is retarded

>>719895680
>Other super criminals like Penguin or Two-Face
>Like Two-Face

>>719895782
The slippery slope is only a fallacy when it leads to something that is unrealistic
>if you let the gays marry, soon you'll have kids forced to marry horses that rape them because degeneracy
Something like
>If you break the rules you hold yourself/your society to "when its really necessary", it becomes easier and easier to justify "its really necessary" and thus cross the line over and over again, for lesser and lesser things
isn't a fallacy, its a pattern. If the rule is that Batman doesn't intentionally kill and instead leaves it up to society to render judgment of one kind or another, but he decides he as to kill Joker or whoever, then you can more easily come down to
>Well, shouldn't you kill X instead? I mean, look at all these bankers and corrupt execs? Joker kills maybe 100 people because he thinks its funny or wants to prove a point, but these fuckers enrich themselves on the blood of thousands or millions. Why not kill some lobbyists for the military industrial complex, agribusiness, investment banking ? They keep getting away with it, why not put your detective skills over there to catch them? Well even if you do, they can bribe their way out so... they can't be let to continue this can they?

Its even easier if it was something like Injustice or Red Son where Superman had the power to basically "fix" the world as he saw it , until he was causing autocratic misery he was trying to stop in the first place.

>>719889276 (OP)
I'll just admit and say that the only good version of Batman, Joker and the rest of the villains has been from Batman The Animated Series.
>the police actually calling Batman "detective" and he doing real investigative work
>Batman actually fighting street thugs and mafia lords
>metahumans being far and between but still being "manageable" enough with the right tools
>Batman actually having expressions and feelings that were not permanently deadpan
>Batman actually struggling during most of his episodes, like on the one where he goes temporary blind
>Joker not hogging all of the attention and actually showing getting angry and annoyed at times
>barely any murder or death, some villains were even just victims in real need of help

Once he met Superman and the Justice League was introduced, it was all over.

>>719895725
Would...

>>719896794
He did plead with joker to let him rehabilitate him that one time.

>>719896929
>Once he met Superman and the Justice League was introduced, it was all over.
>Goes from struggling to fight completely normal Human Thugs to being able to defeat pantheons of universe quaking Gods.
>Goes from being unable to dodge a Fat Old Man with an Umbrella to being MFTL for no reason.

>>719891730
It would just end up being Joker's plan to get you beaten up while he sat at home jerking off.

>>719896929
A good chunk of his comics are like that though

>>719896929
Its definitely the best. I remember seeing something about how the animators added things that weren't expected or paid for like the effect on Mr. Freeze's helmet.

>>719896831
Penguin and Two-face aren't super criminals. They're gangsters, and not the most powerful gangsters in Gotham.

>>719889276 (OP)
His anus had a nice and crunchy plot armor...until it got busted.

>>719897123
It's Batmite's fault. Mxy was bragging about how much better Superman was because he was part of the League and Batmite retconned it for Batman to be a founding member.

>>719897271
How fucking retarded do you have to fail a reading comprehension test on your own post you faggot

>>719896951
I think that was at the end of the animated version of the Killing Joke movie.
>We've been doing this for a long time. I think that one of these days its going to end with one of us dying. Me killing you, you killing me. Just once before that I wanted to ask - let me help you. It doesn't need to be this way. I can help. You can be rehabilitated
>No...its...far too late for that now Hey bats, .this reminds me of a joke! There were once two crazies escaping from an asylum. They make it up to the roof and they look across to freedom, the next building over. But the problem is its too far, they can't jump all that way. One inmate pulls out a flashlight and says "I got it! Look, I'll use this to shoot a beam of light between the buildings. You can just walk all the way over, then I'll toss it to you and you can do the same for me!" . The other inmate goes "Oh no, I don't trust you. You'll just turn it off when I'm halfway over!!"
>both begin to chuckles and descend into laughter as the camera pulls away.

>>719896840
As you've illustrated, slippery slope is the technique of extrapolating a reasonable thing to an unreasonable thing, because there's some sort of thematic connection between the two. There are a lot of ways Superman taking the law into his own hands could play out, and this sort of, there are potential bad outcomes so we shouldn't do anything! thing is just moral cowardice.
Fittingly, it's exactly the same sort of moral cowardice that got all of us into our present situation.

>>719897271
Who are the most powerful gangsters? Black mask?

>>719891350
Turns ourn Christian morality is only for yourself, and it doesn't work if your neighbor doesn't give a fuck about it.

I don't know how this isn't more obvious.

>>719895123
Oddly enough Magneto right now is pretty much the only one that thinks the mutie ethnostate was a bad idea

>>719897519
It was the ending to the original comic. The one where a bunch of people decided to interpret the ending as Batman killing Joker on the spot.

>>719897476
I just arrowed the wrong guy.
>>719897271 was meant for >>719895680

>>719897689
How did that happen? He doesn’t respect humans at all.

>>719890754
He's the UN ambassador to Iran. If Batman kills him it would literally start world war 3.

>>719897519
There's also an episode in The Brave and The Bold where they partner together to stop another villain, but right at the end it all goes back to the status quo just because. And that's what has always pissed me off about their relationship, it always has to be a metaphor to "the balance between Order and Chaos", except that Chaos is given an Out of Jail card every single time because god forbid actually letting this man find some peace of mind.

Does Batman pay the tickets he must get for constantly illegally parking the Batmobile?

>>719896732
I still can't believe Gordon won in the end
All those years of shitposting really paid off

>>719896732
>Joker 2 actually confirmed this would have worked

>>719897850
>bad guy thinks like you!!!
Only reason. Bioschlock Infinite tier humiliation ritual.

>>719897850
For some unexplainable reason the people who are running the island decided ALL mutants, including the the guy who has brought up the literal apocalypse in multiple timelines whose survivors are in ours, will do in ours and literally named one of his kids holocaust and an alternate universe version genocide.
Or the non mutant Sinister who has personally murdered like half the mutant population for no reason but fun and killing time too.

>>719897782
As a self contained story Batman 100% does murder him there.
The story starts with Batman trying to find a way where their story ends without them killing each other and the last offer of redemption is simply rejected.
Then Batman cracks, laughs along with the Joker and strangles his chest to death.

>>719894250
holy kek, that was my first thought aswell

>>719897629
I think the issue is the difference between a slippery slope and "the slippery slope fallacy" is if one thing could reasonably lead to another or if its being posed to lead to an unreasonable thing.

I don't think the issue is just that nobody should do anything. In most "good" continuities the Justice League and Superman intercedes in the affairs of regular people to some degree and is granted some latitude outside of their systems. He takes on superhuman level threats sure, but he also saves people when he sees shit happening; he typically leaves regular criminals tied up for the cops and doesn't just splatter bankrobbers into the pavement unintentionally or otherwise. He's not overstepping his authority, and there are times when the "good versions" of Superman adhere to the call of the normal citizens to deal with some element like collateral damage or how his mandate in the US may not extend exclusively to other countries if he's not stopping a planetary catastrophe; of course this can be manipulated by Lex Luthor and others to get anti-Superman/JL political parties involved for their own ends. So generally he is doing things in a balanced way; the issue is if he just starts saying
>Fuck your rules, fuck this shit, I could turn you all into jelly with a fart. Why am I listening to this? I'll do what I want, you can't really stop me and if you try its going to go really badly for you. I'm going to pacify this planet the way I see fit and won't be hamstrung by you standing at a podium and claiming to represent the little people anymore. Know your place, its kneeling at my feet if you know what's good for you.
obviously the balance is broken and there are considerable downsides for anyone not wanting to live in one of the super-fascist continuities.

>>719889840
The governments protect criminals and murderers because its anarcho tyranny. Should honestly revolt at that point.

>path of exile
all the fucking big bosses with multiple invulnerability phases

>>719897850
Because it predictably crashed and burned after they told humanity to suck it, a lot of mutants died, Beast became Dr Mengele, and he became horribly crippled and unable to control his powers
Granted it happened almost entirely because they let Mr Sinister join and do basically whatever the fuck he wanted

>>719897782
>>719898396
In the show they pull away, but wasn't the justification in the comic that it was one of the few times Batman wasn't the narrator ? Barbara was narrating instead so the implication was that Batman didn't live through it?

>>719898463
>governments
>anarcho
One precludes the involvement of the other, by definition

>>719897964
He is authorized to do be allowed to. Like how Justice League members are legally allowed to arrest people.

>>719896732
I want to lick Jim Gordon's ass.

>>719891730
That's when one of Batman's 2 dozen adopted children kicks you off a building.

>>719898650
save it for your cavity search, clown

>>719896794
>Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results every time is also pure insanity.
WELL SAID SIR
GOOD MORNING SIR
WE ARE SUPERPOWER SIR

>Fuck my daughter Batman
Jesus between Ras and Gordon why do so many fathers want this?

How long has Batman been Batman in the comics? I assume there's time compression of some sort. Do the comics just assume a perpetual default state that says Batman has been active for X years? Unless the story is about an old or just starting out Batman of course.

>>719899216
Probably something similar to Marvel where the timeline slides.

>>719898575
I haven't seen the movie because of how bad Joker sounded in it compared to other, better reads of the same fucking comic Hammel has done being out there.
But I don't exactly know how you'd get the impression that KJ has Barb as the narrator.

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Batman-The-Killing-Joke/Issue-1?id=19941#10

She is in the story to be fridged but isn't actually important as a character to the narrative.

>>719898143
>including the the guy who has brought up the literal apocalypse in multiple timelines whose survivors are in ours, will do in ours and literally named one of his kids holocaust and an alternate universe version genocide.
Weirdly I don't think Apocalypse ever really was a major problem in Krakoa
It's since come back around and we're now back at the regularly scheduled mutant oopsy doodle though

>>719899195
After you accept that your daughter will have to settle down with someone, might as well be the biggest chad around and even if you don't know that he's Wayne, you know he must have a shitton of money.
Also fathers secretly get off on their daughters being attractive, it's like being proud of your creation that people admire.

>>719898579
Not really, words are bullshit and are humbled by reality more times than not.
One can have anarchy and government, one too weak to stop the other but still strong enough to hurt you.
My advice, become a criminal.

>>719900109
>Weirdly I don't think Apocalypse ever really was a major problem in Krakoa
That's more on even him knowing how retarded this whole thing was somehow

>>719893734
>Joker was appointed Iran's ambassador to the UN

Now I remember why I stopped reading comics decades ago

>>719900716
Actually unironically not that far fetched considering the second Biden became president he hired back the guy who was explicitly funding terrorism in the lands of our NATO allies and actively bombing any other middle eastern country who was also working during Obama's administration
You have to remember, we might not have clown makeups and bat costumes on the IRL figures but sometimes, real life is that retarded too. What is Joker going to do that could be worse?

>>719901058
>What is Joker going to do that could be worse?
Murder the entire UN assembly with Joker gas. Which is what he tries to do.

Dagoth Ur

>>719901334
See? Way lower body count than the actual worst case scenarios

>>719896181
that's based though

>>719894159
>Gotham is MY city and only I'M allowed to keep it safe
>fails to keep it safe

>>719889507
Why blaming Batman when the government doesn't want to kill him? (The real reason he doesn't die it's because he needs to be alive to make DC money)

Gimme some good DC reads I wanna see some of the non shite stories

>>719898790
What're some examples of the act like a fool, think like a brilliant archetype?
Columbo?

>>719899216
Since his twenties.

>>719901916
Monk but his fool schtick is involuntary

>>719889507
RAPE
THE
JOKER

>>719898042
I can't believe the Gordon solution actually worked.

>>719898042
>People actually liked the Joker movie being about a mentally ill guy that life shits on in every conceivable way until he breaks completely
>Does gangbusters
>Actually you weren't supposed to like the movie bigot, here's a shitty one instead with Lady Gaga singing badly and prison rape
What were they actually thinking here?

>>719889507
I get Batman not killing the Joker. But why hasn't anyone else done it? If he's in arkham so often, do none of the guards or other inmates shank him? No other vigilantes who lost family to him trying to get revenge? It's like Batman is the only person who has a problem with him

>>719902884
the Wrong People enjoyed it, and we can't have that

>>719895701
>At least Superman was ending wars and eliminating the homicidal maniacs.
You just described Trump, which is what we have now.

>>719902885
Batmite protects the status quo so he can watch Batman kick Jokers ass. Batman and his mythos are just protected by the chris-chan of 5th dimension imps.

>>719898447
NTA,
Injustice illustrated the slippery slope quite well IMO. It wasn't a fallacy at all.

>>719903691
That whole sequence was a big strawman. Nobody mentioned killing people, let alone just for not recycling. Fuck Injustice, what a stupid strawman story.

>"Uh oh, we made Superman be completely right, better have him just start killing people for no reason."
>Meanwhile Batman is hiring actual homicidal maniacs.

>>719902885
Numerous people have tried taking revenge on the Joker over the years. Plot armor always protects him.

>>719903846
>Nobody mentioned killing people, let alone just for not recycling.
Only for not recycling. Everything else is just life imprisonment.

>>719903691
>retards kill themselves by destroying their bodies to feed their addictions
>that justifies cowardly machines that can end lives of strong, healthy, just people in the hands of the same weak minded, evil, sick people
see the difference?
that pic is fucking stupid
also yes cars are fucking gay too
use a fucking bus

>>719889276 (OP)
Why is Man letting The Jonkler walk around free? Is he stupid?

>>719902884
They were thinking that literally a billion people went to see the Joker, they all came out rooting for him, and less than a year later there were mass riots all over the world. They felt they had to put down their creation before it spread everywhere.

>>719904031
Corrupt guard let Joker free

>>719889507
This is honestly not Batman’s fault there’s an entire justice system that’s failing here

>>719889276 (OP)
He fucking dies in the 2nd game

>>719904095
Even Cops can shoot to kill if a Criminal is presenting a threat. No way Joker has consistently been non-threatening every time a Cop has seen him.

>>719894418
>the joker
>white

>>719891717
>But its Gotham
Sure whatever I'm just saying seeing jonkler get away with it one too many times is ridiculous. Especially when there's no way he'd ever walk even in the most corrupt California court. cuz he's white

>>719903691
>Superman: "I want to stop crime."
>Flash: "We take away peoples freedom to decide to commit crime. Where will it end?"
>Superman: "Excuse me?"
>Flash: "Then we'll take away everyone's free will."
>Superman: "You're saying crime is necessary? I'm not following."
>Flash: "We erase the entire universe. If nobody exists, nobody will commit crime or be in pain."
>Superman: "I just want to stop crime and make sure people don't have to live in fear of being killed by a evil Clown."

>>719901334
He said "worse" not "the hero we need"

>>719904651
>Superman: "I just want to stop crime and make sure people don't have to live in fear of being killed by a evil Clown."
But the clown kills with booms and gasses mostly, you need guns to defend against the stupid clown

>>719904651
You don't need guns to commit a crime
You may need guns to prevent a crime
Superman went at it from the numeric argument of guns kill people so guns bad, when there are plenty of things they could also crack down on that kill way more than guns
His argument was flawed

>>719904651
Flash: So you're saying to protect people from clown megalomaniac crime that accounts for maybe a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a percent of national crime, you want none of them to be able to have the only thing that will maybe give them a chance against a man with gun -- that I will admit fires a little flag that says 'bang', but then the little cap pops off and it shoots joker toxin-- I'm losing the point here: You want law abiding citizens to have no guns so they're fully at the mercy of superpowered caricaturized evil and also run of the mill evil?
Superman: Well when you say it like that I do sound like a bit of an idiot. But we could use our god-like superpowers to collect all the guns ever, so then Joker won't have a gun either.
Flash: Shinzo Abe got shot with a fucking fireworks gun Clark. Are we going to confiscate the entire plumbing section of every hardware store in the country.
Superman: I guess I didn't think of that. I'm so glad my wife and unborn child weren't killed by a man in greasepaint and he's instead being sexually assaulted in Arkham
Flash: Should we do something about that?
Superman: No.

>>719905189
Nowhere near as flawed as The Flashes. A lot of crime involving guns wouldn't happen if the Person didn't have a gun. Guns are much lower risk and more empowering.

>>719905189
Guns are literally invented to oppress people.
They don't have any other purpose.

isn't batman like a literal mental ill tard that accepts that if he kills once he'll go killing every criminal

>>719889276 (OP)
Westpig artists are really gonna reuse the same 3 characters for 100+ years huh? You don't get bored after alternate universe take #43241234?

>>719905415
Superman oppressed the Joker by ripping his fucking heart out
Sometimes oppressing someone is the correct option

>>719903691
I agree. Only the Trump government and the police should have guns. :)

>>719903691
The problem is that almost literally everyone goes full retard in that comic, so this whole moment amounts to nothing as Supes continues becoming a world-dominating fascist and Flash keeps helping him until he FINALLY changes his mind and changes sides when the game happens.

>>719889507
Welcome to the issue of never ending comics.
Your sanity is best served just seeing each writer hand off as a separate story featuring the same cast of characters instead of one ongoing thing since 1939.

>>719890754
No.
Joker gets away with it because Gotham is built on top of a literal hole to hell wherein the demon Barbatos resides.

>>719897870
lmao

>>719904651
Did you miss the part where Supes doesn't need guns

Batman is a vigilante. The moment he kills the joker, he instantly becomes wanted for murder. Gotham is absolutely the kind of place to convict Batman for killing the Joker. The best Batman can do is incapacitate criminals and hope they don't break out of jail before they expire.

It isn't until Gotham becomes a different city entirely that Terry can actually get away with killing his enemies.

>>719906527
Vigilantism is also a crime. Batman is already wanted for an ungodly amount of assault, breaking and entering and both public and private property damage.

>>719906527
did Terry ever kill anyone intentionally?

>>719906479
Supes has been shown with guns as much as Batman has.

>>719906667
In the very second episode.

So what about all the superheros that do occasionally kill people but somehow don't dive headfirst down the "slippery slope"?

>>719889507
He should try raping the joker next, that seems to work

>>719906527
Batman himself stated his reasons multiple times and they never were this.

>>719906667
Quite a few times, actually. Bruce rarely seemed to give a shit unless it was a situation he genuinely could've prevented like the episode where everyone thought he killed Mad Stan.

>>719907019
Cause the people they kill are usually planet destroying tier. It's easy to excuse killing Darkseid but when you kill the Joker someone's gonna ask why you haven't killed Penguin, then you kill Penguin then someone asks why haven't you killed Bane, then you kill Bane and someone asks why you haven't killed Condiment King.

>>719907103
Batman is coping

>>719889507
R A G G E D

>>719889276 (OP)
I mean, to be fair, Joker is supposed to be the second most competent person in the Batman mythos, after Batman himself.

>>719907516
>killing Condiment King
That's when you know someone's gone too far.

>>719889507
All batman needed to do to fix the joker was rape him in the sweltering summer heat of 2024

>>719907690
He isn't.

>>719890529
Talia's corpse blew up when Joker detonated the theater floor (with the bombs that were totally there all along.

>>719896732
Kek. This meme is still alive.
The best thing to come out of /co/

>>719893749
Ironically, he is killed in Beyond.

>>719889276 (OP)
Everyone who fights Superman in the TAS/JL

>>719893749
>Amanda Waller with government resources couldnt kill the Joker somehow
Waller's whole schtick is turning villains into government tools though. Killing him would probably just be a waste of a perfectly good flunky.

Why is Waller so fat?

who gives a fuck about death penalty or insanity pleas
if he went on a rampage like he does all the time, got thrown into an asylum and escaped, went on a rampage again he would literally get disappeared after the second time
epstein got killed in the most obvious way while in government's hands and do you see any change in the world because of that? nobody would bat an eye on extrajudical elimination of a multi-mass murderer

>>719908693
Anon, you're trying to apply real world logic to comic books.
Unending comicbooks that have been going on for decades before you were even born at that.
You might actually be autistic.

>>719908883
the real autism is not understanding that you can seek for a solution to a problem or an answer to a question while staying in the bounds of in-universe logic
yes, it's because comics have to sell and joker and classic rogue gallery sells
no, it doesn't make sense in-universe and it's fun to discuss why not exactly

>>719906880
Who did he kill? Blight?
>>719907382
Mad Stan is cool tho, I'd be upset if he died.

>>719909231
>the real autism is not understanding that you can seek for a solution to a problem or an answer to a question while staying in the bounds of in-universe logic
In universe logic dictates that people who die eventually come back to life and slates are wiped clean when a big crisis event reboots the multiverse.
Are all those prison escapes really real if they never happened?

>>719909292
>Who did he kill?
Mr. Fixx. KO'd him into the ship's controls which caused it to sink and just left him to drown.

>>719909317
does the big super duper multiverse reboot matter if gotham is the same corrput neo noir shithole?

>>719909645
Yes, because multiversal reboots change out events from prior comic book runs, like how New52 retconned Jason being reality punched back to life into being Lazarus Pited.
Or how now just about every major bat villain has apparently known for some time now that Batman is Bruce Wayne but doesn't do anything about it because trying to undo Wayne would lead to a 24/7 Batman and they don't want that hassle.

>>719909416
>Mr. Fixx
He deserved it

>>719910234
No doubt. But given how Terry doesn't get reprimanded at any point at all, with Bruce even being dismissive of the thought of their inaction leading to criminals being killed like in that April Moon episode, I really wonder what happened to Bruce in the time between him being so scared of himself for pointing a gun at a criminal and the present time that caused him to go "fuck it, if they die they die".

>>719889276 (OP)
>gets raped
KWAB

>>719890754
Well he is insane.
Kinda hard to say he isn't.

what's the real world moral parallel for the joker dilemma? anyone that commits mass murder that rises above gangland crossfire will have a small army hunting them and if they somehow make it into custody alive they'll be thrown into a maximum security box that's effectively impossible to escape. there's no practical naivety in putting a human into a guarded cage, they'll be there forever, they'll never kill again.

>>719889276 (OP)
joker 2 movie has completely and totally ruined the character

>>719905349
>A lot of crime involving guns wouldn't happen if the Person didn't have a gun
No fucking shit retard.
It just transforms into a crime with a knife.

>>719911093
Character's been ruined since Nolan. People keep hyping him up to be "le agent of chaos" when all he used to be was a dude that did prank themed crimes.

>>719911247
Tbf that was just Nolan's take on the character, its not his fault if it stuck

>>719905457
Jou-chan...

>>719911451
Nah, it's his fault because now people who only ever gave a shit about the franchise through the nolan films are spouting retarded shit like he's always been this kind of guy.

>>719903691
as stupid as the flash is, one of my favorite tropes about him is that he is so far beyond every other superhero that he just lets them have their win to make them feel better, up until they do something stupid and flash has to remind them of reality

besides this chess scene showing flash stomping superman, theres another one where he and superman have to race to reach some macguffin and both wnat to do different things, and superman is like 'you know, weve raced before. i even won some of them' and flash says something like 'that was just for charity' and zooms out of there completely leaving superman in the dust

>>719891350
But Arkham Origins literally starts with Commissioner Loeb being gassed in Blackgate Prison's gas chamber, proving they do have the death penalty. It's just that heckin jokerino never got it

>>719897638
Define "it doesn't work". What's it supposed to do?

>>719900469
hi glowie

>>719900716
it's the same story arc where jason todd dies, btw

>>719912296
Be gay, do crime.

>>719912389
Nah, stage some shit glowie. I'mma chill and play vidya

Honestly the whole no kill thing would've made more sense if Batman's gimmick didn't rely on fear with a motto on "vengeance"

>>719912252
It's supposed to be a refining process for the spirit of your community. That's why when people don't accept you, you're supposed to kick the dirt off your shoes and leave. Signifying you are not compatible. If your people are not Christian. How can you expect them to behave that way within the laws of your society? They will not respect you. They will behave erratically. So when we have a law that says you can't kill criminals, why is that? Because we are extending our morality to others. I don't necessarily think that's wrong, but to simply release these people back into your society again... what madness is that?

>>719889507
>Joe Chill kills 2 people
>Creates 1 Batman
>Juggler kills 100 people
>....
Why doesn't that create at least 50 batmen?

>>719912514
Cartels kill each other all the time and nothing changes.
Batman beats you to a pulp and leaves you with crippling medical bills plus the inability to use a gun ever again or worse.
He doesn't have to go too far either, there is a comic where several henchmen reunite that had to live with horrible conditions left as consequence from facing bats with one guy having a batarang shard imbedded deep into his skull.

So the fact a guy will get the drop on you and leave you almost paraplegic in a split second is pretty gruesome.

>>719912841
Joker killed 2 very rich people.
Can you even name 5 billionaires among Joker's victims?

>>719912514
How does it not? Corpses are famously unscareable.

>>719912819
Law has existed alongside religion since time immemorial.
Are you paid to write this drivel?

>>719913092
>Batman beats you to a pulp and leaves you with crippling medical bills plus the inability to use a gun ever again or worse.
He personally invests into healthcare to make sure they do heal up and don't have to play shit

>>719913360
Instead of insulting me, just reread my first post. I'm talking about incompatible people who do not share your religion stressing your legal system. Look at the context ITT. We have to be better men.

>>719913432
Reminds me of a thread on /co/ where someone asked if Batman actually keeps track of how many concussions he's given the people he beats up because there is a limited amount that people can take before they die from brain damage.

>>719913497
Not starting shit. Hire some actors, faggot glowie.
I'll just sit here and play my vidya.
>N-NO YOU NEED TO ACT
ommmmm

>>719913605
GOOOOOOOOOOOODSS

MY WIFES SOOOOOON

WE MUST BE BETTER MEN

>>719912841
that was always the main point of the Joker, the fact that the entire population of Gotham City willingly aids and abetts every heinous crime Joker does, all because getting a bit part on the Batman and Joker Show is literally worth dying for to them, let alone killing their family and friends for

>>719895725
>plant lover is a pure carnivore
we need more of this

>>719912841
>Why doesn't that create at least 50 batmen?
It unironically does though. Look up Batman Inc. Basically a world network of Batmen being inspired by the original.

>>719913662
>i-if you dont start shit... y-you're le sòyboy!!
We really need a "report for glownigger activity" button.

>>719889276 (OP)
This is why Origins was the best Arkham game. You get to play as the Joker for a bit and he's shown to be scared shitless.
Knight does it too I guess.

>>719894324
damn, a 45% white country telling Europe what to do.

>>719913761
Anon, none of the international Batmen became that way becase of Joker.

>>719889276 (OP)
generally speaking, most villains have more plot armor than the protagonist in the greater chronology of the game. it's just that almost all of it goes completely unspoken as a "you just have to accept this" kinda backstory. their secret plans never leak, no matter how grand and widespread. they manage to inspire absolute loyalty, no matter how poorly they treat their subordinates. they manage to circumvent justice, no matter how absurd. they have infinite funds/resources, usually the most in the entire world somehow.
all these years of plot invincibility just to line them up for the protagonist to knock them down within a week or a year, depending on the timeframe of the game.

>>719902885
Because as you find out in Joker 2, rape is the better solution

Metaphor ReFantazio

>>719902884
Philips and Phoenix hate chuds so they made the sequel a spite film instead of actually going somewhere with their success.