Thread 719900140

Some game decisions are so outdated its too gay to play

even soulslikes removed the runback on death now youd think 8 years between HK and SS they wouldve evolved the formula. instead its a game stuck in 2017

can you change your negative review to a good review, please?

Nah, it's extremely fun to play and even the most severe runbacks I've seen so far are like 30 seconds at most

>>719900140 (OP)
>outdated
That's a good thing. Modern games play themselves and are hardly even games at all

I like how silksong didn't do something stupid like in the first game where they somehow expected me to know that I need to go the skinniest tunnel that you would overlook and pass all the time that barely shows up on the map to progress to past the first area to greenpath. So its an automatic improvement in my book

>>719900308
I will say the runbacks are still totally unnecessary. The bosses are still great but there's zero reason why you couldn't retry them straight away

>>719900140 (OP)
casual zoomer lol

>>719900140 (OP)
runbacks are so brutal when you die without a map. having compass not be on by default is also shit.

>>719900576
>The bosses are still great but there's zero reason why you couldn't retry them straight away
this. why i gota run back to replay a section thats so outdated man. retarded even.

>>719900308
die 5 times in 10 min, 1/4 of your time is spent running back for no reason besides just cuz

>>719900720
It taking a slot away from more useful tools is even worse

>even soulslikes removed the runback on death
>zoomie can't even remember basic fucking functions of the last soulslike game
Elden Ring had plenty of runback.
>>719900576
Runback is a part of a platformer like this. The red thorn area is actually a great example of how it's used. You don't progress just from mastering the boss, but from mastering the environmental mechanics (poking) so that it's not even a big deal to run back to that fight.

You either learn to get good or you uninstall. Demanding even a fucking indie platforming game to hold your hand, when the mechanical mastery is the main appeal of the game, is fucking dumb. Go see if Farmville is still running or something.

>>719901047
umm nah elden ring had a grace right outside the boss arena every time buddy

>>719901259
Elden ring is a game for normie casuals, even retard journos have beat it

>>719901259
Shalom.

>>719901259
Shalom

>>719900140 (OP)
Kek. OP is too stupid to remember how he got to the bosses from the bench and is mad

Thus far what i really dislike is the fact too much stuff is gated behind bench hardswaps.
In Aria and Dawn of Sorrow you could just switch weapons and souls any time. Dawn gave you two presets to hardswap between.
Here? Not only the stupid ass fucking compass still takes an even more valuable charm slot, you cannot even swap crests mid exploration, and all crests beyond your basic ones have very objective downsides so why the fuck would i even bother with them if i'm only allowed one?

Damn, zoomers really are shit at video games.

>>719901838
no i remember thats why its gay as fuck its pointless

>>719901882
This. I cannot imagine what they would've thought if they'd been alive when Hollow Knight released.

>>719901960
i was alive then and i hated it. still beat it. just hated it.
games bad. i also love playing emulated old games now cuz save states let me have less runnning back and can play with my dog more when hes not napping

>>719900308
>even the most severe runbacks I've seen so far are like 30 seconds at most
Feels like 10 minute and they you die anyway, it's a trash game.

>>719902072
this, people saying its good that theres no QoL changes from HK are basically coping with having to justify waiting 8 years for a game that is no different from the first

>>719900140 (OP)
The runbacks aren't even bad and death became way more casualized compared to the first game.
In the first game:
>an enemy ghost appears that you have to defeat in order to get your shit back
>your meter is capped at 2/3 until you get it back
In Silksong
>you have to perform 1 attack on an immobile object
>no other penalties

>>719902281
id rather fight a ghost and have no runback than runback with a fucking stationary object bud

People okay with games and runbacks are ignorant retards. TIME IS THE MOST PRECIOUS THING YOU HAVE. and youre wasting it running back because the dev thought itd make the game more difficult.

>>719902418
you still had to runback in the original, ghost and all

>>719900140 (OP)
There was never anything wrong with runbacks.

>>719900790
Failure should be met with punishment so that you think on how to not fail again.

>>719902486
Have you thought about not dying?

I'm just hopping in to say the ant ambush is fucking me up at the moment and the minute-ish run to the boss room isn't all that bad.

>>719902486
Just be immortal, idiot.

Chapel of the Beast boss clearly wasn't playtested whatsoever. RNG fuckfest.

>>719901016
Tools are separated into three categories, and you you're limited in how many you can equip in each category. All the stuff you piss your pants over are all part of the "convenience" category, so you aren't wasting a combat slot or anything.

>>719902934
I can't imagine putting anything besides the compass in the convenience category to be honest, though I don't know if you get more slots for it later on

>>719902789
completely antithetical to this style of boss design where you're meant to learn patterns and retry to win

>>719900576
They are necessary to give the bosses weight. they're there to make you actually try on every attempt and to stop autopiloting.

>>719903026
iirc you can get two slots in each category

>>719902602
yeah thats what i mean they didnt improve that from HK id rather have just fought a ghost but no runback if i still had no not have a cocoon

>>719900140 (OP)
Stop dying like a jackass if you hate runbacks to much

>>719902789
>Zoomers seek punishment from videogames because daddy never beat them

>>719903054
You're wrong, having a moment of downtime is actually good when you're slamming your head against a boss.

>>719900140 (OP)
>even soulslikes removed the runback on death now
Hollow knight is not soulslike. It's metroidvania. Castlevania started putting save rooms next to bosses in nds era.

How many fucking threads do you need on the front page at once for this fucking game?

>>719903236
>zoomers
Nigger you've never played an NES game in your life from the sound of it

>>719903320
Old games were like 2 hours long dummy

>>719903385
And? They still made you do "runbacks." what's your fucking point?

>>719902486
It pads the length of the game in a cheap way, which makes the sweaty crowd think it's more valuable. This leads them to rave about how they spent 100 gorillion hours playing it, dying and running back over and over until they developed muscle memory for each boss pattern.
Getting good is a choice. If it's not fun to do, then it's not worth the time.

>>719903385
>megaman
>2 hours long

>>719903502
>It pads the length of the game in a cheap way,
>muh padding
Silksong devs have zero reason to even care about this. They clearly didn't include it just to make the game take longer

>>719902486
The point of a game is not to reach the end of it as quickly as possible. This applies to almost any piece of media and to life itself.
By your logic, anything that isn't boss rush is just a waste of time.

Runbacks are legitimately important for the player to form a connection with the area. New souls games aren’t about exploration, the exploration is padding before a spectacle boss battle. Hollow knight equally values its boss battles and exploration, more like DeS or DS1. With that in mind, a checkpoint before a boss functionally means you never have to interact with the area they’re apparently the boss of ever again, and retroactively means that exploring it was just filler before you got to the boss.

No one would give a shit about the firelink elevator if the game didn’t force you to use it.

>>719903101
Well I get what your saying, but I feel silksong leans a bit hard on pattern recognition and since you die in only a few hits, first tries are rare and more luck then skill
>but old games also did this
Old games didnt take 30 hours+ to finish

>>719903259
It works in something like Demons Souls because the actual runback hones your skill with the game. The same effect doesn't work in a game with two-dimensional combat.

>>719903934
>Runbacks are legitimately important for the player to form a connection with the area.
retard that is what the metroidvania aspect is supposed to do, not the boss runbacks

>>719900140 (OP)
Afraid you lost, babby.

>>719903760
by your logic repeating the same boring timewaste in life is A OKAY. lets go repeat the 2nd grade again buddy. Lets make you do the same boring commute to work you already did because you made a mistake at work so go back home and drive back to work and try again. Its RETARDED

>>719904509
this

>>719904365
>Old games didnt take 30 hours+ to finish
Again, what's your point? The point of a game isn't to get it over with as soon as possible. It's not like silksong is taking you back to the start of game or anything, so what difference does it make. It's literally the same thing (less, actually) just in a longer game instead of a short one

>>719900140 (OP)
>reddit seething intensifies

>>719900720
like any good Metroid game, you might take the time to explore and find power ups and maybe clear your mind

>>719902486
If you can't GIT GUD in a medium that is all about pissing away your free time for enjoyment, then you deserve to run all the way back to where you get kicked out of.

>>719904509
Double retard it’s not two different games. Runbacks mean that exploration and boss battles are connected, and that the boss is connected to the area it’s supposedly the boss of. Get what you want and you end up with Elden Ring, a boss rush simulator taped to an open world game with no connection between the two features.

>>719906451
If I die at a boss, I'm not going to think about exploring the path on the way to the boss or going in a different direction, I'm going straight back to the boss because I don't want to lose my money. I also don't know if the boss is going to give some new ability that allows me to explore new areas, so I'd rather put off exploring until after beating the boss.

>>719900140 (OP)
>fight hard boss
>get reward that's worse than the starting gear you have
>do quest that requires to to solve some annoying kind of puzzle/mystery (witch crest quest for instance)
>get reward worse than your starting gear
>Put benches far away from bosses so you can waste player's time as much as possible
Truly soulslike trying to build "git gut" cult that will defend bad design simply because it's presented to them as requiring high skill.
Those people will defend game released in 2025 that's having the design limitations of SC BW. When you complain about units not being able to walk they will say "git gut".
Would have been good game if they spend more than few days on the combat and abilities.
>>719903320
NTA, I beat the pirate version of Bucky O'Hare and I agree with him.

>>719907859
yeah the rewards in this game are undeniably dogshit

I'm pretty sure most of charms and sub weapons you get are bought from merchants right, you don't really find them as a reward for exploration or beating a boss like in hollow knight

>>719907623
But it’s not just about exploration. With a run back, conquering the boss and conquering the area become the same thing. If they’re not tied together, “completing” a zone is a completely nebulous checkpoint, separate from the boss encounter.

>>719908018
It seems so, I won't be finishing the game so IDK if this keeps being the case.
Even the tools and abilities are not that good simply because you will rather heal rather than use ability or hit directly to get silk for healing instead of using red tool (that requires 2 button combo) from distance.

>>719903760
only if the game is just a (padded) boss rush like hk and silksong

>>719908836
I'm steamed that they give you one slot for charms but you can't really use them because you're going to want to use the compass the entire time

>>719902281
akshuly you need to strike it in melee, projectiles wont work

wait how do you strike down with the needle??

>>719909969
bottom arrow + x
Best way is to glide to right in front of the target you want to bounce off and then striking. I don't know why the game devs added fucking triangulation but I dont care anymore. I hate my life so I punish myself by playing this ASSFUCK game.

>>719900720
The point of a runback is that it's part of the punishment for being a scrub.

>>719910643
It's called inflating the play time.

>>719900140 (OP)
>You can tell its an 8 year old game
Because it’s good, yeah. Games after 2020 haven’t been good.

>>719900308
Record yourself doing the last judge runback in 30 seconds

>>719911128
so gitgud

so far, i don't think its as charming or as atmospheric as the first game unfortunately

>>719900140 (OP)
as someone who's never played hollow knight, this game seems overrated

>>719912587
it definitely lacks that sense of wonder, but i like how populated it is and hornets dialogue
it just lacks that 'quiet, ruined, forgotten kingdom' feel of the first
instead it feels like you're in a very much alive kingdom as some sort of rogue
almost like assassin's creed

>>719900140 (OP)
You are one of the fuckng people who hated Bravely Second: End Layer when it was release and now is absolutely the best game in the series

>>719912587
>>719912759
shieeeeeeet, fuck you retards

The place in deep docks with the fat bitches running around is so annoying. Their aggro range is the whole fucking map. Also the flying faggots with the huge bombs that they throw are annoying as fuck, the explosion range on those is insane.

>also explodes when you kill it

God at least reduce the range of the explosions christ

>>719912575
>make game that feels like chore to play
>retards take it as some kind of masochism challenge of skill showoff
>they gaslight even more retards to play your game as challenge
You know you can just find a job and do the same but also get paid for it, right?

>>719913391
You know you can just stop sucking dicks, right?

Officially don't know where to go bros

>>719912575
I would if I didn't have to summon Pythagoras every time I wanted to traverse a spike pit, ending up having to screen transition an enemy to farm silk to heal myself, making my seemingly simple runback take 5 minutes when it should be 30 seconds just to fall into the spikes again once all the enemies are clear and I'm sitting on 1-2 masks, so I have to go back to screen transition farming, then finally make it back to the boss with 4 masks and full silk and have my ass handed to me because I'm frustrated because I have to do no hit speedrun practice just to get to my next attempt

>>719913391
it's such a CHORE to play video games, on god fr
there should be a level skip button so I can get to the ending, I was a straight C student in school and proud of it, I just want to punch in my time card and hope my boss doesn't see me goofing around so I can collect my paycheck

>>719915691
There is level skip.
>Right click on folder -> Delete
>going back to playing actually good games

If your game requires bunch of mentally ill fags appealing to the player's pride when they complain that your game is shit, then your game is shit.

>>719900140 (OP)
You can tell that this is a game that was playtested by the same three dipshit chucklefucks for eight years with no outside input because the game is filled to the brim with strange design choices.

>>719916241
>strange
those choices are completely intentional and if you designed something in your life you will know this.
There are bad and good design decisions.

>>719913448
>says the guy who can't stop sucking dicks

>>719916580
I guarantee you that he don't suck dicks because it feels too enjoyable to him instead of feeling like hard challenge he has to push through.

>>719916241
the design seems decent but the wonky difficulty definitely gives this impression

>>719916790
The difficulty can be mitigated by giving player more options (as rewards from bosses, instead of rewards that are worse than useless) or just by making enemies deal less damage.
Which one sounds better, which one is harder to do?

>>719900140 (OP)
Ugghhh no I have to walk back thru screens with one of the best sprints and air dashes in the entire metroidvania genre oh NOOOO IM HAVING TOO MUCH FUN GOING BACK TO THE BOSS MAKE IT STOP

>>719917151
they definitely should've had nail upgrades accessible earlier

>>719901259
>Runback is a part of a platformer like this.
>platformer
Is Elden Ring a platformer?

>>719900140 (OP)
>8 year old game
>doesn't work on win7
It's a modern DX12 game when it hs no reson to be.

>>719914723
Go through bellhart into zone onto the left and find zone boss

>>719902486
if you're so concerned about time and other silly platitudes then you shouldn't even be playing video games in the first place, you should be going scuba diving in the Bahamas or something equally as homosexual

>>719917745
Is pretending to be retarded considered good bait?