Thread 719925373

This is literally one of the hardest mainstream games in decades.

It's absolutely filtering the fuck out of normie retards and I'm absolutely loving it. Kudos to Team Cherry.

>WHY IS THE GAME SO HARD
>Did you not play the first game?
>NO! I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE DID!!
These cattle deserve to seethe.

they'll nerf it

>>719925460
It’s harder than HK I recently did a replay after having not played it in years and made it really far before dying even once. I’ve died a lot in Silksong already and I just got the wall jump.

i love how so many people think the game sucks because they got too used to the inferior character movement in the first game

the HK1 protag is the weakest aspect of that game. all they needed to do was make that game, but with a character that's more fun, and they would have a game that's actually as great as people like to pretend HK is. They did that with Silksong.

>>719925373 (OP)
It's already crazy hard and I played hollow knight and have a lot of context for the systems and enemies from that game. Imagine what it's like for new players who started with silksong lol

>>719925373 (OP)
is not even hard

People think Silksong is hard? Lol

>>719925460
its far harder than HK
at least the base game
SS is pantheon dlc difficulty for some stupid reason

>rapes and gapes fomo bandwagon retards who never played the first one
Based beyond belief

yeah shit's hard but it's only because hornet is a bitch
imagine if you were her brother here

Maybe I should try it...

I JUST beat Sister Splinter 1rst try and Widow 2nd try.
These zoomer retards just don't want to have to get used to the pogo. Whiny fucking faggots.

To spite everyone I'm going to be solo Hunter's Cresting the entire game for my first playthrough. I fucking love Diagpogo and did the instant I beheld Hunter's March even though I sucked shit at it for a good hour.

>>719925373 (OP)
just gonna wait til theres mods that buff my damage and nerf the enemies like i did the first

>>719925590
If they thought it was fine the way it was for 7 years I doubt they'll do that.

>>719925373 (OP)
if you unironically think this game for kids is too hard please just leave this website

chapel of the beast boss without upgrades is harder than abs rad
AYY LMAO

>>719929778
sister splinter how the fuck you beat the ads on time even with being good at diagonal pogo?

>doubles down on every issue with the first game except for movement
>game is infinitely more tedious and annoying as a result
>mouthbreathers mistake tedium for difficulty and their superiority complex flares up
This game suffers from the DS2 issue where the devs bought into their own hype

>>719925373 (OP)
the bosses are actually fun this time around instead of facetank and nail spam. I do feel for the bandwagoners, what were they thinking going into what’s clearly a sequel for the first game

>>719925460
This. Only downside is they're tanking the game's Overwhelmingly Positive review to Very Positive.

>>719925373 (OP)
if I needed 1.0 Welcome Company summon to beat Bloodstained, do I have a chance in this game?

>>719931007
press the attack button solved my issue

Silksong got knocked off of Overwhelmingly Positive reviews because of the amount of people seething about the difficulty LMFAO.
This game is fucking based dude. I will worship Team Cherry forever if they don't change a thing in response to these casualbabbies

>>719925373 (OP)
oh i would have agreed, but only figuratively

Franchises soft reboots like GOW have been a plague in the game industry, now everyone thinks sequels should be "new player friendly" when the right thing is to do the opposite, make more of what your fanbase already loves

>>719929778
I did Lace in 3, Chorus in 4.
And I want to fuck Lace, her laughter after she kills you is doing something to me.

>>719925373 (OP)
THIS GAME IS BASED

Already going off the beaten path that are easier or practically "required" to normies have a certain skill, but doing it without it. Like reaching areas without dodge and whatever.

>>719931496
capitalism literally dictates that number must go up. if silksong doesnt sell more than the first its deemed a failure, and to do that you need to attract new players

Just beat the guardian to the citadel entrance fight, pretty good shit right there.
I will say the starting divekick is a bit of an unnecessary filter since how early you ditch it but eh

>>719931007
She kills them on her own if they've really got you struggling, try luring them into her punches

>>719931007
I just used the silk weaving move when there starts to be too many

>>719931215
>durr i just lost cause boss too long im good i swear
Geeeeet fucked i see through this cope

>>719931560
game gets noticeably harder 4th chorus
till 4th chorus it is very very slightly harder than HK
it becomes WAY harder than HK after
doesnt mean it is that hard, but this game is x100 harder than HK
both platforming and also bosses due to bunch of ads and actually having to do mechanics

>>719931617
>>719931663
i have noticed the ads die in 1 hit with silk move
and also they die in 3 hits anyways so even without silk move it is manageable
i just had skill issue getting hit by the ads attack
thanks though

>>719931476
How likely is it that Team Cherry will fold under the pressure of these whiny casuals though? Did anything like that happen with Hollow Knight?

I want a game like silksong, but fun. feels like I can't explore 20 seconds before I run into a boss that stresses me out. I just beat act 1 and I think I need to mod it.

>>719931850
Hollow Knight

>>719931705
Honestly the arena fights are more difficult than the bosses.

>>719925373 (OP)
The hardest part of the game is the fact that your movement fucking sucks dick. That 45-degree-down pogo mechanic destroys your aerial movement so badly that it feels designed with extreme malice, doubly in light of how many encounters demand very precise aerial juggling. The most difficult enemy you fight is the controls because they basically make you right with one hand tied behind your back. I haven't felt so gimped by a game in years. It's awful. Why would they spend 8 years of devtime deliberately ruining a movement system that they already nailed in the first game? I do not understand.

>>719931850
You can run away from some of the bosses and come back later when you're not as much of a pussy.

>>719931954
Time to learn a new moveset instead of relying on legacy skills from the old game. You're not too old to learn something new are you, gramps?

>>719925373 (OP)
it's not even particularly hard, it's about the same as HK

the hype must have somehow caught a bunch of normies who only play cutscene-watching games or something

>>719931957
I don't run. I just repeat until I beat it.

>>719932017
I'm playing the game right now, fag, doesn't change how much gayer that new system is to learn you stupid bitch. Obviously the game will be harder when you make the controls fight the player the entire time, that doesn't mean it's good or fun idea. Very fucking brainrotted dev mindset. How many layers of sunk cost fallacy are you on right now?

>>719932164
Damn this guy is mad as fuck lmao. How about you try getting good instead of seething?

>>719932021
same? how far into it are you? you're wrong btw

>>719931954
You can ditch the divekick for the pogo attack like two hours in? I dont really know why they started you off with a harder mechanic just to throw it away so quickly. You can re-equip it and i think the move did get buffed for me, maybe. So there might be a system in place that actively wants you to switch back and forth between moves during the game. I'm not sure yet. But they really did just throw a git gud filter right at the start.

Lace nuked me a couple times. Her moves are easy but when it takes a while it's simple to chain together mistakes and die in a few seconds.
On my last try it all clicked and I started chaining diagonal pogos and having fun, then she died. Wish I had access to silksong's hall of gods version so I could replay it.
Also 4th chorus is kinda bullshit, you can get 3 damage in a single hit if you fall into the lava. The conclusion is fun though. Pretty exhilarating to beat him on 1 HP at the end.

>>719931954
>>719932164
There's a crest near the beginning of the game that restores the old pogo for pussies like you

>>719932164
what a salty, wimpy, mad little bitch.

>>719932274
I'm in the rainy rape raven city right now and if there's a powerup that makes this faggot ass mechanic go away, I'm beelining for it immediately. I genuinely think it has 0 value. It throttles the fuck out of your aerial options during combat, especially in the big arena minibosses, and makes them all way harder than they need to be. It murders your DPS in what should be big openings because of how much more restrictive pogoing is, so everything drags way the fuck out as you pinprick shit to death. Flying mobs in the middle of platforming sections are a pain in the asshole. It does not feel good at all. If you told me they delayed the game for 5 years to implement this mechanic, I'd say that was 5 wasted years.

>>719925373 (OP)
The last judge is extremely fucking obnoxious to fight.

>>719932567
Youre in the right zone
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1CKmilIiQsk

>>719931665
>t. Mouthbreather
Rosaries and shit damage aren’t difficult they are tedious. Bosses dealing arbitrary double damage is just annoying and makes what few upgrades you do get feel worthless

>tfw have to stop playing because my fucking hands are starting to hurt, especially my middle fingers and thumbs due to having played way too much.
Already got 26 hours in the fucking game.

>>719925616
I love HK, but the running ability alone makes Silksong's movement way better. Iblike the diagonal pogo better too.

>>719932567
Bro how did you not find the wanderer's crest yet, are you even trying

>>719932523
>How many layers of sunk cost fallacy are you on right now?
Imagine glazing dogshit controls this hard just because it's been on your wishlist for almost a decade

>>719932704
cope

>>719931215
>mouthbreathers mistake tedium for difficulty and their superiority complex flares up
/thread

I haven't beat Silksong yet but Nine Sols was way harder and it's not even close so far.

>>719932704
It was designed that way so you die in 3 hits in early boss battles. It's by definition not arbitrary.
Having rosaries be worth something give you actual stakes to stay alive. You can disagree with these decisions but theyre purposeful choices.

>>719925373 (OP)
First berserker Khazan was harder on release

>>719930636
>animated art style is for children
>realistic art style is for adults
Check out the big mature adult brain on anon

>>719932735
Bro, go to bed.

>>719929778
you cant pogo the sister????????

just say you cheated lil bro on god fr

>steadily advancing through the game, beating some bosses 1st try and exploring everything I can reach
>witness AAA cattle fail to keep up with the difficulty when I'm not playing
Thank you so much, Team Cherry.

>>719932739
You won't find it if you don't have the key to the cavern. I used the key I got from the first town in deep docks so I couldn't access the route to the wanderer crest until I had found another key in the fucking maggot infested whatever sinner road. At that point I already had both the reaper crest and beast crest. Beast crest is pure meme material and not in the good way.

Is the map system still awful like the 1st game?
I quit playing about 6-7 hours in because I didn't know where to go anymore

>>719932863
It's six am here. Plus I want to beat the game before I get spoiled by you niggers.

>>719932815
All I know is that the vendors are charging an absurd amount of cash for their shit in comparison to how much you're being drained by the benches and map bitch. Don't think I didn't notice they put a convenient grinding spot right next to basically every map bitch location because they know they're sending you to the grind for each scroll.

When can you actually start the witch questline?
I'm at the Last Judge now.

>>719925373 (OP)
Can we actually talk about how the "rewards" you get for exploring are actually garbage and don't really change the gameplay (which is worse than the first game)?
Name one thing in this game that you got from boss or exploration and made you think "holly shit, this is awesome"

Just uninstalled. For me it's
>the constant runbacks
>the constant screen effects that obscure the action
>the constant annoying ebic pausing and slowdown on certain attacks that fucks your timing
>basically zero upgrades or progression at all
And worst of all:
>every single enemy in the entire game dealing contact damage COMBINED with the fact that they spaz around erratically COMBINED with the fact that your weapon hit range is like two inches

I'm just over it. I love hard games, but this is just annoying bullshit. If you know, you know. If you're still in early act 1 saying it's easy, then just shut the hell up

>>719932813
Sinners path and the judge is where it lost me. The enemies are such bullshit Im just running by everything now.

>>719931215
>>719932704
The healing is stronger, what you mean by "tedium" is "I keep dying like a scrub", and yeah, no shit

>>719931850
>I want a game like silksong, but fun.

Try Yoku's Island Express and Toki Tori 2.

>>719933018
Any of the crests.

>>719932891
damn I forgot about that door in deep docks

>>719932879
You're probably lying and/or you're not even halfway through act 1

>>719932949
It's worse.

>>719925373 (OP)
Sekiro came out only 6 years ago buddy.

>>719933018
Maps... thats it.

>>719933018
The tools, the crests, the dash, the gliding..... did you even play the game Mr retard?

>>719933110
It was not worth it desu, because there was barely anything worthwhile there, besides opening another route from far fields to deep docks. There are still two areas in it that I can't access (probably need the thing that lets me use the needle as a climbing tool, so I dunno if there is anything worthwhile in those regions. Would have much rather had the wanderer crest earlier desu.

>>719933042
>T. Early act 1

>>719932813
Silksong and Nine Sols are hard for different ways. Silksong is hard because it's all about positioning but they make your character's positioning as clunky as humanly possible on a per-attack basis, so it feels like shit. Nine Sols is a Squid Game RedLightGreenLight game where you have like 5 frames to react to the light and you have virtually no tools to get around it.

>>719933032
filtered

>>719932962
That's an easy out for people who have to do it but at a certain point you just keep a stockpile and dip into your necklaces if you absolutely need to. I just got to act 2 but I was able to buy everything from every vendor on the map at the end of act 1. You just have to be willing to leave the vendors and come back later, the game seems to balance how much rosaries youd naturally come across. Same with the kill X quests. Yeah I could kill the same two birds above the quest giver and grind out 25 bird feathers. Or I could explore the map more and find bird city and get 25 feathers just by clearing out the area as I wouldve anyway. There are some exceptions, the bell quest is fucking dumb. But so far I feel like if you just do your thing everything pans out

>>719933018
I'm 5 hours in and all I got is some stupid silk storm thing (basically equal in power to the spear), a triple dagger (worse than single dagger), a few useless charms (only one I actually care about are compass and no damage while healing), and a scythe that blows ass outside of that stupid greymoor boss fight

>>719933032
>basically zero upgrades or progression at all

This is the most frustrating part. I'm 12 hours in and just got my FIRST piece of extra health. Nothing to make attacks stronger, nothing to make Hornet more resilient. It's like trying to do a SL1 Fromsoft game. Stupid.

I can't wait for Mina the Hollower to come out to cleanse my palette from this insufferable masochist shit. I loved HK, I love every Fromsoft game and Lies of P, but this is a bridge too far. It's like the terrible final boss of the Elden Ring DLC but that's the entire game.

>>719925373 (OP)
holy based

>>719925373 (OP)
after my 20th missed diag pogo i just decided to be filtered and play something else. too much of the game feels designed to be obnoxious instead of fun, and i'm cool with not being the target audience for something like that.

>>719933052
no, I wanted something like ninja gaiden but with an open map to explore

>>719933219
Is the Wanderer Crest behind the locked door that's up the lift from Bone Bottom and across tot he left?

Why have there been so many fucking baseded hyped well reviewed releases this decade that are way worse than previous decade games? Expedition 33 and Metaphor were both shit JRPGs and praised, this game doesn't hold a candle to SoTN or Super Metroid but gets high praise from everyone. I'm getting old I guess, but none of these games are as fun or inspired as the best of the 90s and 2000s

You can't really "nerf" a platformer. The whole genre is designed to punish you for missing your jumps so you fall into bottomless pit or hit the wall made of deathspikes.

>>719933276
Bro none of these guys are at all comparable to the shitfest that was Radahn pt 2

>>719933319
Yes, though not straight away, it leads to a new region, trough which you can find your way to the wanderer's crest. The region itself is pretty easy, just has 2 types of enemies, one of which are basically level hazards.

>>719933276
The real punchline is the first health upgrade is effectively meaningless since the double damage everywhere means you're still going to take the same amount of hits to die after that first upgrade.

>>719933363
????

The entire challenge is bossfights and combat rooms. The pogo bouncing is just an annoyance, not actually difficult

>>719933236
Nine Sols is actually satisfying as hell once you lock in though.

When I beat a bullshit boss in Silksong I feel nothing. It's never that I "learned the fight", it's that the boss's RNG finally decided not to totally fuck me over with enemy and hazard placement.

Honestly playing this game just is making me want to go replay Nine Sols instead. Team Cherry chasing the "prepare to die edition" meme arms race exposed the failings of their game mechanics.

>>719933389
Alright, is that ceiling vomit bug worth spending who knows how much time killing?

>>719932962
wait you guys actually buy all this shit?

>HK players tell TC the bosses can be facetanked
>TC makes Silksong harder
>normalfags cry bloody murder

>>719933359
Well we're not gonna sit around and talk about how you can machball to ice beam all day for 31 years

>>719933075
most of them are worse than the one you start with. Tools are meh too.
You get retarded crest for killing the first hard boss you will likely encounter.
Then you get equally retarded crest for solving the parasite thing which prevents you from healing.
>>719933192
>crests
>tools
name them

>>719933435
Dunno, I just ran past it.

>>719933435
Yes, takes 25 hits though.

>>719925460
Anon, why the fuck would I play a game from 10 years ago instead of the modern, updated sequel?

>>719925373 (OP)
where do I go now? I have to break the curse of that city with the guys and every place I can't go seems to be vertical, I already have the floating clothe, what am I missing?

>>719933294
>too much of the game feels designed to be obnoxious instead of fun
yes. like after you endure all this platforming and find the next bench it's booby trapped, I hope you had full health or you'll die

>>719933443
Only shit im buying.

>>719933460
Why is it so hard to make a comfy and good metroidvania tho, there's basically no good indie ones despite it being a very simple genre with a million wannabe games made. Hollow Knight is legitimately probably the only ok one but it's still not amazing

>>719933461
Some of the tools are absolute game changers. For example polip pouch lets you do so much more damage with weapon gadgets because it ads poison proc to them.

>>719925739
Post playtime and achievements

>>719933434
Depends on how much you like the RedLightGreenLight gimmick. I beat Eigong and then went back to re-beat Pantheon of Hallownest as a palette cleanser because I was so sick of being forced to stand there and play reactively instead of being able to exploit the movement to vomit damage into bosses. I guess that's why I'm feeling so frustrated with Silksong, the movement is just clunky as fuck in comparison to Hollow Knight so you can't really do that. Absolutely nothing about how you move and approach enemy encounters feels natural in Silksong.

>>719933530
Go to the forest left of the bell town, and explore it.

>>719933551
Honestly i think its because soundtracks are hard. If you took away sequence breaks from super metroid the soundtrack is carrying like half the weight of the game, and I adore SM.

>>719932815
>it’s designed to be shitty and annoying
Just give me three masks to begin with then.

>>719933461
I'm finding it very cool to experiment with different crests, playing with the beast crest rn just for fun.

I'm really surprised at all the double damage shit in the game. I think it's because it's easier to heal? Like you can just do it in the air and it heals three HP for the same time it took to heal 1 HP restricted to the ground in the first game. However, the fact that you need full silk to heal at all kind of balances it out.
But I'd say it's still easier to heal regardless. It doesn't feel as hard as when enemies did double damage in the first game, but it still feels harder than most early game enemies in the first game.

The shittiest part of the game so far is how much currency you need to unlock benches and fast travel. I'm killing everything and I still don't have enough when I get to them, forget about the shops. Was the first game like this? I really don't remember since it was so long ago.

>>719932891
That locked Deep Docks room is such a fucking faggot area of the map. Oh, those little slimes that block entire platforms with their lava vomit do three fucking damage while you're being chased by the giganigga knights? How about you suck my cock, Team Cherry. Talk about the very definition of forcing the player to stop and drag it out.

>>719933626
Then normal enemies exploring would kill you in 3 hits too and youd dramatically slow the game down because theres less room for error in areas where you want to be more mobile and may be backtracking through. I really dont understand this critique because in games with health bars of 100 or 1000 or 10,000, bosses also tend to do a higher chunk of damage than a piddly trashmob.

is he /our guy/?

>>719933708
Currency is almost irrelevant in the original HK because of how abundant it was.
Silksong addressed that issue, you're not supposed to be able to afford everything all the time.

>>719933810
No, /our guy/ would give her bag for the clothes.

>>719929778
Hunter's Crest mogs literally every other crest I've come across so far

>>719933545
im having fun but even i have to agree with this. There was this section i remember where the roof was just slightly lower at one point so that when you jumped and dashed you would hit it an fall into the spikes below. Like that was just purposefully annoying, and it really didn't need to be

>>719933842
Well I'm clearly not affording anything because I'm blowing all my money on the maps and the only other thing for sale are these batman gadgets that I'll never be able to afford

>>719933513
because the modern, updated sequel is an actual downgrade. Feels like we are plying HK 0.5. The knight is also a much better Protagonist than hornet.

>>719933870
I have no idea how to use its down attack during platforming

>beat sekrio
>feel like a champ
>beat silksong
>feel like a chump

the rosary limits are what annoys me. why should i have to grind for everything like tis a fucking jrpg.
cant be asked to re run the same 5 minutes of empty path because i dont have enough rosary for a closer bench.

>>719933461
>name them
all of them

What's up with modern devs designing their games to be as irritating as possible on purpose? You can't tell me that Team Cherry wasn't actively thinking "ok that's a cool platforming bit or enemy encounter, but how do we make it so it makes the player mad" during the entire process. I mean, I am mad. But I don't really get why that's the objective because all it's doing is make me not like the game.

>>719934027
lies

>>719933610
thanks anon, I killed that boss but left the place without exploring left from it.

>>719933461
I essentially have my crests serve as different "builds", the hunter crest for regular exploration and combat against mobs, the reaper crest for bosses and the wanderer crest for farming resources. Each has slightly different toolset that I also switch around a bit depending on what I am doing.

>>719932325
I beat 4th chorus with only taking a single hit, but god damn did he have my blood pumping that entire time. He'll probably be me first radiant if Silksong ever has a boss rematch arena.

These fucking faggots need to get raped with barbed wire. So far this was the only boss that gave me genuine trouble.

The trick is to focus mainly on the big guy. Sprint in when the opportunity arises and pummel him as much as you can before sprinting out, keeping an eye on the flying guy so he doesn't surprise you. Ideally you'll get them positioned relatively close to each other so you don't get boxed in and so that you can potentially hit both of them at the same time. What's fucking bullshit is sometimes it's impossible to jump over the big guy when the flying one is on top of him, forcing you to parry the big guy's attacks. And I haven't really been forced to learn how to parry yet, so I kinda brute forced a win. Perhaps I should start thinking about parrying more often, especially in 2v1 situations.

>>719934141
Personally I preferred gibbing the flying nigger with blade traps and thread storm before even trying to engage with the fatass.

>>719932757
The controls are genuinely better in this game. You simply suck at it and should be mocked for your incompetence.

>>719934094
FYI wanderer has the highest DPS so ideally it should be used on bosses.

>>719933034
just got there the mobs have a bazillion health and keep grabbing me, not a big fan

Is R3 really just a taunt that wastes meter, or is it doing something I'm not noticing?

Already purchased the key, I only remember it being usable in the locked door in Deep Rock. Is it worth it?

>>719934186
I ran out of fucking shards crafting materials because I died to these faggots so many times. I didn't wanna grind out more shards, so I did it without any traps/javelins.

>>719934192
Lol no, that's giga cope. They gave you a sprint and cucked the fuck out of your ability to do anything else. There's no world where that's a fair exchange.

>>719934223
>wastes meter

Are you fucking kidding me? I've been taunting before every boss because it's kino. You're telling me I've been wasting Silk doing this?

The Catacombs were fucking 15 years ago.

How are people still getting Catacomb'd?

>>719934045
>What's up with modern devs designing their games to be as irritating as possible on purpose
Brings certain kind of players that will make the game their whole personality simply because "it's hard".
Silksong already had kids (now adults) that based their whole personality on game that only had few trailers for 7 years. They just did the smart thing to appeal the "gitgud" guys too since they shield from any criticism by saying "gitgud".
The price is another thing, you can't complaint too much about game that's 20$ in world where the norm is 80$ for AAA trash.

I don't care what anyone says, having to dedicate a slot to seeing yourself on the map was the height of dogshit in HK and it's the height of pigshit in SS.

>>719934223
I rebound that immediately after pressing D by accident instead of F one too many times. Get that stupid shit out of my face.

>>719933974
I found it much easier to use my D-pad specifically for the platforming sections, since I noticed I kept just doing a normal attack too often with the joystick.

I found another locked door. Where can I buy another key?

>wander around a while after getting the wall jump
>get captured in a cage and transported to a prison level
>freeze to death
This game is harder than the original but I'm really digging it so far. Money seems WAY more dear in this one.

>>719933034
Sinners path is fucked. Very annoying. Having 3 floating enemies near spikes you have to pogo is so gay. Those rapist anteaters are fine if you pogo them I guess but for some reason pogoing feels a bit inconsistent.

>>719933706
I don't mind the double damage for bosses but every other shitter double damaging + environment hazards is annoying the shit out of me. I remember this part in deep docks with the fat bitches that chase you around the map. I kept going down to get 1 item and that bitch + 2 bomb showing fucks with an explosion radius of half the map kept fucking me over. And the item wasn't even fucking worth anything was probably just a bone shard bundle. It's pretty bullshit that upgrading your mask doesn't even do anything since you take 2 hits everytime anyway. Here's hoping for the 7th mask.

>>719933810
He pervs on Hornet in the sauna so yes

>>719934001
If I at least had the option to string my rosaries at every bench that would be fine. But yeah rosaries need to drop in higher quantities and also not disappear if the enemy drops onto environment hazards. So many enemies are in shitty spots where they just fall and you get no rosaries for it.


I like the game though. I have minor complaints here and there and get tilted every now and then but like always the answer is to just simply git gud. 15 hours in I still want to play more. Wish I could upgrade my nail though.

I do think Hollow Knight wins on music and atmosphere though. Silksong feels more generic somehow

>>719934045
>Fiero is an Italian word that describes the sense of pride and triumph that comes from overcoming significant adversity.
With the rise of Souls, thousands of indie devs decided they had to add this in their games.
I don't believe Cherry is good enough at designing games to nail it, but they try.

>>719934351
Besides City of Tears, I liked the music in Silksong way more.
Though its true HK just has great melancholy which was impossible to be replicated by Silksong because Pharloom is alive.

>>719931007
The R1 spear thing one shots them. Also you can destroy the vines quickly to get more space.

test

>>719934001
The benches cost at most 6 rosary-dropping enemies, so it's a quick back and forth.

It just feels like I should have gotten a needle damage upgrade ages ago. I still can't believe how much HP enemies have. I just can't believe common enemies have so much more evasion AND health compared to the first game, instead of one or the other. It's like every flying enemy and Hornet are the same magnet polarity and you can't fucking just jump up and whack anything in the game without waiting for it to slowly fly back. And then it takes like six whacks.
That was like one common enemy in the first game, the flying ones with the spear in City of Tears, and they still took less hits.

>>719933706
Double damage is fine for bosses, you can farm enough silk from it to compensate and heal back.
It's not fine for Averagemookfly #3743 to be able to do it.
It's not fine for you to take two hits from an environmental hazard either

>>719933276
Brother what have you been doing for 12 hours. I'm at ~9 hours with one piece short of my second extra mask, two weapon upgrades, halfway to second spool upgrade... have you just been tabbed out???

>>719934203
The limited access to combat and defensive tools doesn't really seem worth while the faster attack rate.

Hornet has always been a glass canon. All you niggers complaining about double mask damage need to apply yourselves.

>>719934293
desu Silksong is like DS1 Catacombs if the curse lizards applied curse at 5x their actual rate. What happened is everyone got wrapped up in a gitgud doom spiral until the whole genre's gotten autistically extremist about it. You see victims of this mindbreak in this very thread.

>>719934452
It's not just the attack speed, it has the highest crit % of all crests. Not only you hit more often but your hits also crit more often, it's a crest made specifically for DPS and aggressive playstyles.

>>719934490
Nothing in the first game implied this, she was just a miniboss with a health pool similar to other bosses in the area.

>>719925373 (OP)
it's funny how this game has more anti-shills than actual shills
it's like aaa companies can't help but milk their ranjits on retainer by getting them to shit on any non-aaa games as well

>>719933945
toxoplasmosis post

>>719932891
You can get the Wanderer Crest without a key. I got it an hour ago and haven't even been able to afford the key from the shop. I'm sure there are others lying around but I haven't found them.

>>719934223
When I first used it, I thought I had discovered a secret ability not listed on the controls screen. It looks similar to her string attack from the first game, so I kept trying to use it on enemies, just for it to do jack shit.
Gets all the NPCs riled up and you quickly recharge your last bar so it's funny to spam.

>>719934048
I enjoy everything I found so far, I won't argue with you if you don't

>>719934203
Not him but the lack of range is annoying given Hornet's bigger hurtbox, and Reaper's silk generation rate post heal is too hard to pass up versus bosses.

>>719934140
Honestly I didn't really like 4th chorus nearly as much as lace. He only has 2 attacks and some falling debris. And you only have 1 attack because the upslash is the only thing that can hit. The tension just came from the potential instagib.
The couple of near misses of the horizontal attack by hitting a dash or glide at the last moment spiked my bp in a good way. But I think he'll just be annoying on a rematch.

>>719934436
Dying to Trial of the Fool Ant Edition and Trial of the Fool Bird Edition mostly. Although I'm finally starting to clean house with Reaper unlocked. Still just not having fun. Beat Moorwing and Sister Splinter and both were miserable.

if you finished hk this game shouldnt be difficult at all

Okay but The Slab was kino.

>>719925460
anon it's way harder than the first hollow knight. Honestly the first one doesn't even get that difficult until really lategame.
meanwhile, silksong:
>fewer iframes than first hollow knight
>can only pogo at an angle
>half the enemies in the game do double damage
>need to build a full spool to heal at all
>damage, health and silk upgrades few and far between

does hunters march have no benches? where am i supposed to go here? im at a loss of what to do after fighting lace and fourth chorus

I would get the double mask damage complaint if this game didn't have a triple heal

>>719934816
don't bother with the hunters march right now, go to the far fields

The fact that the crows in greymoor will jiggle up and down while moving about you specifically to bait contact damage when you jump to him then summarizes everything I think is frustrating about the game so far. At literally every juncture where Team Cherry had the opportunity to choose between "leave it as is" or "change it solely to make it 5x as annoying," they chose the latter. Every single time. With the sole exception of the Lace fight, which was demo content so it had to be fun, every single major combat encounter feels designed to tilt the fuck out you instead of to be fun. Why.

>>719931796
I'm sure as people figure out routes the difficulty will feel like it decreases because players will beeline to strong upgrades instead of playing the whole game with base stats like most are doing now.

>>719934837
triple heal you can only do with a full spool and is also your only means to heal

>>719934863
is there more to do there after getting the floating dress? i didnt find anything

>>719925373 (OP)
>never played the first one
>breeze through the game anyway
>give it a bad review because I didn't get the point of the game

>>719934663
I played for 20 hours and everything felt bad, like playing Elden Ring magic and just doing pebble and upgrading to invisible pebble after 30 hours.
One of the rarest thing (silk hearts) is just "yea, whatever" kind of item.
They copied the worst aspect of japanese games.
On top of that all the cute hornet voice lines are not in the game.

>>719934910
You can only triple heal early on.
It forces you to actually think about risk vs reward

>got Thread Storm

Holy fuck it is total crawnigger death time. I hate the enemies in this game more than probably any game I've ever played and I just want them to suffer.

>>719934891
>Crow with throwing knives
>Constantly hovers beyond your jump height
>Every time he gets hit will proceed to return to said height for 5 minutes

Game is fun. Hard as fuck. I'd been playing Prince of Persia right up til release and adjusting to the new controls is fucking me up hard.

SHE FUCKING TOLD YOU IN THE FIRST GAME SHITTERS
https://youtu.be/ZEI4-c9x1C4?si=zBp9lOM8Ile0slYE

>>719931796
>>719934903
The problem is Silksong punishes players who exclusively used the naill only build from the first game.

>>719934891
Lace fight was so good. I don't know how they fucked everything else so hard.

>>719925373 (OP)
These niggas are the stuff of nightmares.

>>719925373 (OP)
In decades? Fromsoft games.

>"protects you during heal" still ends your heal and wastes your magic

I don't know what I expected.

>>719935027
I beat Pantheon of Hallownest and Silksong is way harder than HK but in a bad way because it's harder chiefly because it's way clunkier. Playing Silksong immediately reveals to you why Hornet is an NPC boss and the Knight is the main character because her moveset is trash in comparison.

>>719935104
Their aggro range is annoying. Because of double damage most enemies in this game aren't worth engaging

>>719934925
keep looking

>>719935104
They're easy to kill if you jump over them and slap their ass. They're mostly a nuisance because they chase you through the entire fucking room so you have to waste time killing them if you want to explore.

>>719925373 (OP)
Glorious

>>719935114
how in the hell can you even have this opinion, once you get the dash hornet plays so fast and smooth, the knight is flat out boring in comparison

>>719925373 (OP)
You're confusing padding and inconvenience for challenge retard. Ninja Gaiden is hard.
Silk song is just a slog.
challenge is "this boss fight is super hard"
padding is "dying to this boss sends you back a 5 hours"

challenge is "these enemeis really kick your ass"
padding is "every enemy takes a full minute to kill because they're all damage sponges with badly balanced damage values"

challenge is "this platforming is a real test of skill"
padding is "there are no save points and they charge you money just to save"

When a game is wasting your time, it's not challenging you.
do you also think forced walking is "hard"?

Where to farm rosaries?

>>719934816
There's a bench all the way to the right of the map.

>>719934891
wait till you encounter the fucking nosecone fly niggers, that keep spamming their bouncing projectile at you while flying over spike traps and what not.

Here are some Act 1 tips.
>you can heal midair (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT)
>you dont need to go to Hunter's March
>you can find crests that alter your moveset (dont use Beast)
>buy the fucking trap from forge daughter
>USE YOUR TOOLS
>you can skip Moorwing with the flea quest
>USE YOUR TOOLS AND SILK SKILLS
>the nail upgrade is in bellhart and you can get there pretty quickly

>>719935206
none of these things are true, you really really are just a mad shitter

>>719935227
Depends, how far are you in the game

>>719935198
The angled pogo singlehandedly ruins it. Oh wow cool I can sprint in combat, it's so much easier to cheese fights by running away and getting in stray hits. But uhh I didn't ask because your offense in the HK gameplay formula comes from the air and Hornet's air combat is cringe.

Just heard this came out. QRD on how /v/ is liking it, or not? Did it fix some of the problems with HK? Specifically, ones that were relevant to me:
>all the boring and needlessly long filler segments of maps, especially the memorization tier platforming sections
>lack of variety related to the items, weapons, and abilities sandbox, where the game isn't really rewarding you with many stylistically or even mechanically interesting upgrades, not like how you get suit and beam upgrades in Metroid that have both aesthetic and gameplay impacts, and then there's the Metroidvanias that have shit tons of weapons and abilities that do a lot of different things which are both stylistically and mechanically interesting and unique
>lack of a memorable leitmotif in the music, the existing leitmotif just feels generic, can't hum it at all from memory unlike tracks from Metroid or Castlevania
Not hating on HK btw, I still enjoyed it.

>>719925460
widow -> last judge is harder than anything base game HK has to offer and its not even close with the last judge in particular having a 45 second platforming gauntlet runback which was not playtested because the team is 3 people who didnt let anyone else play the game
the rest of the game is normal difficulty outside platforming in mount fay which is path of pain equivalent except its not optional?(maybe other endings dont require it)

its clear to anyone who is has actually played the game that lots of things will be fixed in a patch

>>719935350
You can get a crest that gives you back the downward hit pogo from the first game.

>>719935227
greymoor is good if you're willing to deal with the fucking birds

>>719935327
wait what nail upgrade in bellheart? i have the charge attack from that bitch in blasted path or whatever it's called

>>719935404
>>719935227
Scissor niggas

>>719935430
clocktower ass

>>719935327
Don't forget to PARRY PARRY FUCKING PARRY

>>719935350
this opinion immediately filters people that havnt played the game more than a couple of hours. in silksong you can unlock crests which unlock different movesets, the most common of which most people will unlock in greymoor which changes the downslash to very similar to hollowknights

>>719935346
>none of these things are true
is this like a standard pajeet markerter response to any criticism?
I always see retards try to post this without backing it up.
it can only be third worlders because they're so low IQ, they think others are as stupid as they are, and will just take their word for it.

she's black, right?

>>719935110
It is a complete trash tool meant to steal your rosaries and troll you.

>>719935104
Its scissor fucks for me. I end up just naruto them from a distance.

>>719935558
she's a bug

>>719935558
>tribal nigger chants
one must wonder

>>719935427
The nailsmith is in one of the buildings

My big takeaway from Hunter's March is that ants deserve the magnifying glass and that the devs want every fight to be as long as dragged out as possible
>Ant charges you
>Get the pogo
>Unless every star in the universe aligns, the angle won't be right to get a follow up pogo because Hornet is a dumb bitch who only understands the 45 degree angle specifically
>You get in your ONE hit and continue chip damaging the ant to death until it's finally over
This is so much more tedious than the first game it's wild to think it was made by the same devs

If Hollow Knighy is Dark Souls.

Then Silksong is like the depraved lovechild between Dark Souls 2 AND Bloodborne.

>>719935553
yeah because this game with 500 thousand players on Steam totally needs marketers on this board, fucking schizophrenic subhuman retard

>>719935206
no boss runup is more than 1 min
you can kill things fast if youre good
platforming is easy if youre good
basically youre shit

>>719935227
There is a room in greymoor to the right of the halfway house where a bunch of pilgrims spawn and if you kill them all without any of them falling into water you can easily net like 60-70 rosaries each time you kill them. There is conveniently placed rosary string making station in the room past this room. I've been just running trough it, killing every pilgrim, packing up the rosaries, and running back to the halfway house to rest, and starting again, takes like few minutes at most to farm 600 rosaries.

>>719935104
They're easy enough to dodge, but they take so many fucking hits. It's not fun.

Please tell me there's a way to save the bench pilgrim guy from 1st city. If this is another Mila situation like in Hollow Knight I will personally head to team cherry's headquarters and bug spray the entire area. In hallownest btw

I'll admit it made for a nice opportunity to play a Silksong with the other pilgrims during their requiem.This game has soul. Even compared to Hollow Knight, what I felt for this literally useless npc was much stronger than the forced shit they tried to pull with the masked guy from the 1st game

>>719935531
>It gets good 12 hours in bro, trust me, after then you unlock the right to have the game respond to your inputs properly

>>719933579
They never can.

>>719935558
to me shes indian, her weapons are chakrams

>>719934309
it's not your fault you grew up with google maps, but us older guys don't have the same problem

>>719935757
You can get new crests in 4 hours tops.
3 even.

>>719925373 (OP)
The game is totally going to get some weird nerf updates in the future so enjoy the real SILKSONG while you can

>mfw the naked prison break sequence
There is going to be SO much good porn made of that part

BRUH, wanderer with Flea Brew is disgusting DPS, just killed the second phase of the Widow in seconds lmao, you can hit almost nonstop.

>>719935327
>the nail upgrade is in bellhart and you can get there pretty quickly
kind of dishonest when it requires you to kill a HK1 pantheon tier boss to access which is far worse than whatever real early game players are struggling with

>>719934309
you van litteraly just look at your surroundings and track where you are. psy attention, jobber.

>>719935843
>kind of dishonest when it requires you to kill a HK1 pantheon tier boss to access
Which one?

>>719935780
I don't give a dog cunt, old man.
It's a shit system we left in the past for good reason.

>>719935680
in the first game you could equip shaman stone within a few hours and nuke everything to death
then later you'd get a "fuck everything above me" button and an nuclear detonation button that gives you i-frames

>>719935586
They're easy as fuck. Just stay at range and jump+dash over them as soon as they wind up for either of their cut attacks. The only time this isn't foolproof is when you fight two of them in an arena.

>>719935823
It was extremely kino. Especially the fight where you recover your gear. Hornet fucking snaps the neck of the bug with her stuff right as the fight starts.

>>719935558
South American junglewoman.

>>719935843
Widow was not that difficult come on now

>>719935843
Poison traps, anon.
It's not an easy boss, but it is doable. Be patient, and focus more on dodging the bells than dealing attacks.
Her second phase definitely doesn't have as much health as the first one.
I had more trouble killing Moorwing to be desu

>>719935706
the scarcity of benches is bad design because it result in padding and retreading, not to meantion the needless back tracking. this serves no purpose other than deliberately wasting time / stalling the player to artificially increase playtime.

>you can kill things fast if youre good
why would you? there's no point. 90% of enemies don't even drop anything.

>platforming is easy if youre good
and this excuses the padding and outdated, badly designed save system how?

why does every encounter room feel like a colosseum of fools battle with no nail upgrades

>>719935757
there are 1 maybe 2 maps where the diagonal pogo is a problem before you get reaper crest
if you are in hunters march just leave brother. its the optional rape area in act 1 and the only real benefit is a charm slot which you dont even want to use on early crests

>>719935880
widow

>>719935728
It made me sad when after you defeat the giant horned spider it comes back to bone bottom and hurts all the bugs there

That's probably the only emotion i felt the whole game though.

Is the giant fly boss in Hunter's March Beast Chapel a certified "come back when you're stronger" moment? I do not have enough damage to kill the adds faster than he can spawn them, and the gay fucking pogoing mechanic means I can't juggle them efficiently as if I were playing Trial of the Fool. This boss would be fucking easy if I had the Knight's moveset.

>>719935962
because fuck you that's why

>>719935929
God I know, such a cathartic scene. Can't wait to see the drawings of her using her legs to do it.

I found something in Greymoor but fucked it up and I'm pretty sure I lost access to it until later, someone tell me what I missed.

I bounced off a Craw on the roof of Halfway Home and went to the right a few screens, found a bouncing puzzle next to a switch. Hitting the switch opens the floor beneath the puzzle, and the puzzle is now on the opposite side of a huge gap from the room's entrance. It isn't the silk skill above the building on the far right side of the area, I got that.

>>719935990
I beat it when I discovered it early on so it is possible but it is an RNG fuckfest and annoying as fuck. It took me multiple attempts. Can't remember what reward I got, I think it was a crest but I haven't used it at all since I got it so you can come back later if you want

>>719935948
>not to meantion the needless back tracking
its a metroidvania retardo
>why would you? there's no point. 90% of enemies don't even drop anything.
then run past them its even faster
>and this excuses the padding and outdated, badly designed save system how?
getgood

>>719935948
>>you can kill things fast if youre good
>why would you?
This interaction will never happen in game with fun gameplay. It's usually the opposite with people asking where to find more stuff for killing.

>the fucking moss grotto chapel ambush
FUCKING NIGGERRRRRRR
these guys aren't that difficult but in the tight ass space and me not used to the new movement they've raped my ass like 4 times now.

>>719935987
Widow is not that bad.

>>719936078
I found this too and died after I opened the floor and couldnt get back to my fucking cocoon cause the fucking floor was gone and lost like 300 rosaries

If I'm in the birdshit domain and I haven't found the fifth flea have I missed it? I went through the ant area as well and got the Beast Crest so I think I did most of the stuff up to this point aside from opening the keylocked doors.

>>719935990
I also thought that, but like another boss, use your skill to dispose of the big ads fast, kill the others for mana. You can do it, it's not that hard.

>>719935948
Why does the game not have Basic QOL features like warping to previously explored checkpoints that have been in metroidvanias for years?
it feels as sluggish, padded and badly designed as blasphemous. Your player character is just slighly less slow, oafish and unsatisfying.

>>719935987
what's good about reaper crest? i haven't changed crests at all even though i have beast/reaper

>>719935989
That was what I was talking about, that specific moment in my post. The pilgrim that was sitting next to the bench died during said attack of they giant thing
Maybe there's a way to save him. I'll have to check in a later playthrough, if people don't figure out a method/datamine the info by then

>>719935987
see >>719935838
Just killed her, not that hard, but this combo is kinda disgusting desu. When she stops to summon the threads you can hit her like 10x nonstop.

>>719935990
I lucked out by the boss only calling adds twice on the attempt where I killed him. I regret the time spent, the reward sucks.

General question because I'm doing my cleanup of the world after getting double jump and read about how "The Mist" was meant to be done by reading these threads. Was there a clue somewhere or was it just meant to be figured out through experimentation? I went there twice and just ran around like a headless chicken.

>>719936170
have you checked the secret wall in the fast travel station in the lava area?

>>719936232
>the mist
qrd?

>>719936185
Hornet is extremely fast when you get the sprint, if you know what you're doing you can zoom across entire areas in less than a minute

>>719935728
>>719935989
>>719936212
>they forgot his name
made me chuckle
;_;

>>719935938
>>719935946
>>719936149
widow is a difficulty spike higher than anything else that came before. even now looking at my achievements only 0.2% of people have gotten it. your perception of the average player is honestly warped when you think that only 1/500 people beating the boss is not a significant wall (there are only about double the amount of widow kills as there are game completions and id argue last judge which is right after is a similar wall)

>>719925373 (OP)
>normie retards
I'm not retarded, i just don't like 2D platformers or anything that is a cartoon. Pixelshit etc.

If there's a hard game it better be in 3D and with a different camera perspective or i don't care.

>>719936173
the crawling adds become invincible for like 3 seconds after hitting them once and take 4 god damn hits

>>719936310
One thing I like about the dork souls style of writing is that I can play the game without having story shoved in my face.

I can always watch a 2 hour youtube video in a while about the Lore/Story of silksong and get /comfy/

>>719936092
>then run past them its even faster
>now your players are running past enemies
HMMM looks like there' s fundamental design problem here defeating the point of enemies and combat?
if only there was some incentive to kill enmeis maybe some obvious design implementations that devs figured out even before the fucking nes.


>and this excuses the padding and outdated, badly designed save system how?
>getgood
padding has nothing to do with being good. it about the devs not gitting gud at design.
no surprise since they can't even code. they wasted 7 year working around a pajeets visual scripting asset.

*ding* *ding* *ding*
AHEM.
Friendly reminder that if you're a Silksong boss and you-
>deal two masks of damage with one attack
>summon enemies to help you out
>flood the screen with projectiles
>have more than two phases
>jump erratically around despite your massive size
>attack while dying
Then you didn't beat the player.

>>719936197
Down air is a wide slash instead of the diagonal dash, but the rest of the moveset is ass. It's slow and has shitty hit boxes. Why the FUCK does up air hit behind you i swear to god

Okay legitimately this is my best advice for players

Mid air heal is literally the most broken shit in the entire game
Abuse it

>>719936385
>have more than 2 phases
literally who. please spoil me

>>719936385
It is actually bananas how regular enemies can deal two masks of damage and they aren't even the big slow ones.

How do I leave the Citadel/Act 2? Is it really a point of no return?

>>719936284
It's just an area. I went there twice and made assumptions about how to navigate it and floundered twice, read in one of the threads about how it was meant to be navigated and I'm like "I should have been more experimental, but maybe there was a clue for how to solve it."

>>719936304
I've already been there tho.
Ori is 100 fold faster and more agile than hornet yet he still can warp across the map to previous checkpoints.
there really is no excuse for how lacking and outdated this games design is.

>>719936454
There's a station if you keep exploring

>>719936331
Yeah, just gotta focus on surviving while hitting it.

And then to damage the boss, always keep yourself near the walls so that it rushes and hits the wall, giving you time to hit like 2~3 times. Always hit the boss when it hits the ground too.

The only hard thing about this fight is the big flying guy, but if you can keep mana to use the nail 2x on it, you can kill the boss.

I don't think any boss has taken me more than 4 attempts

>>719936381
its ok bro not every game has to be suited for your skill level, you can play an easier game

>>719936468
God I loved Ori's movement especially in Will of the Wisps. Hornet is better than the Knight but no Metroidvania protag can match Ori's fluidity of movement.

>>719936501
Been exploring for hours. Nada. Which section is the station in?

i miss the charm synergies

>>719936551
I beat him but the thing that killed me, after like the first 2 tries was universally the same thing
he summons a big enemy
he immediately summons 2 small enemies afterwards
and then he does his sideways dash while the enemies block your every escape, no time to kill them because not even your special oneshots the crawlers or the big one

>>719936561
>Will of the Wisps
They just didn't want to inflate the play time.

best way to spend simple keys? i only have one,
i can use it on wormways, deep rocks or ignore both and just go to sinner or blasted steps

>>719936561
Blind Forest did have the single most hype moment when it came to movement though
the tree escape

"here's a new skill you picked up 5 minutes ago, master it, mission: survive"

and somehow rather than being frustrating it was glorious because it was so intuitive to use

>>719936615
They could have added 10 combos but they were too busy finishing the game.

>>719936575
Choral something

>people are seething at the red flowers you need to pogo in the early game
>in Act 2 already
>the pogo platforming just gets more and more demanding

LMAAAAOOOOOOOOOO
SILKSONG IS A LEGIT FILTER

>>719936710
That was definitely the most memorable section of the first game for me. The sequel was even better, the movement was absolutely perfect. Very sad at the end.

>>719936618
good job anon!

Okay I think I'm about to go fucking insane because I have no fucking idea how you get alternate endings and I'm just getting stonewalled everywhere
>need an additional vertical movement tool on top of Double Jump to do the final part of Sands of Karak
>have no idea how to get to the area between Underworks and Greymoor
>have no idea how to get to area to the right of Greymoor
>have no idea how to use Diving Bell in Deep Docks
>have no idea how to unlock the 2nd half of Far Fields (past the locked gate at Pilgrim's Rest
>have no idea where to find the Ornate Key for the lock inside Whiteward
>have no idea what Seeker's Soul does and nobody has dialogue about it
I guess its the "bash my head against every wall until something budges" part of the game because holy shit I have no clue what to do now

Maxed out my silk gauge though so that's pretty cool I guess (you get to stock 2 heals btw)

>>719936771
The sequel was worse for me because the combat and bosses was so underwhelming. I would have rather they went for FULL platforming instead if falling for the HK bait and making combat with not enough shit to accomodate that combat.

>>719936561
I think that's why silks design flaws piss me off so much.
They're selling this game for $30 AUD
Ori Wow is only $10 more but the quality in every aspect (art, animation, programing, design) is galaxies higher.

>>719936078
You can get back up after you have walljump. I don't remember what's up there. Something forgettable.

>>719936618
>and then he does his sideways dash while the enemies block your every escape, no time to kill them because not even your special oneshots the crawlers or the big one
This is why in HK they waited to drop these kinds of enemy encounters on you until after you had several nail upgrades and the iframes spell

How fucking many phases does the last judge have????

How does the movement compare to Dread or the GBA Metroids

Silksong is a Reminder that vidya james were never for (((you)) despite any modern media telling you otherwise

>>719936752
Thanks

So would you say you enjoy playing as Hornet or Lil' Knight more?

>>719936558
sure takes a lof of skill to walk over shit you already done...
and lots of skill to.. save the game....
MLG challenges right there.

>>719936828
final boss was good, just the other bosses that were underwhelming

>>719936826
Is your silk not maxing out like mine after the upgrade? There’s a little bit at the end that doesn’t fill up.

>>719936939
Be honest do you even have the game

>The fucking battle arena in Greymoor
I HATE CRAWS
I HATE CRAWS
I HATE CRAWS
I HATE CRAWS
I HATE CRAWS
I HATE CRAWS WITH THROWING KNIVES WHO ARE EITHER TOO HIGH ABOVE TO HIT OR FALLING ASS FIRST ON YOU LIKE ZOTE
I HATE LITTLE CRAWS WHO WIGGLE IN PLACE TO TRIGGER CONTACT DAMAGE AND HOVER JUST OUTSIDE NAIL RANGE
I HATE RAPIER CRAWS WHO ARE SCIENTIFICALLY BRED TO DASH OUT OF RANGE OF MY CHAIN POGO ATTEMPTS
FUCK CRAWS
THE ENEMIES IN THIS GAME ARE SO FUCKING GAY

i don't find it difficult but im dead inside so

where the fuck i go after shellwood?

>>719936468
>Ori is 100 fold faster and more agile than hornet
He's not

>die
>5 minute runback
>die again

>filtering normie retards
You say that, but I'm watching these Xbox achievement percentages slowly climb and I'm actually impressed by them, especially including all the game pass players who are much more willing to drop the game at the slightest inconvenience

how long to beat? I just beat the widow, how far am I in the game in %?

>>719936984
use spike trap, 2 of them in the same spot insta-kill them once they hover over it

>>719936924
Hornet is more enjoyable to run about with.
The Knight is boring but gets shit done, he has powerful Charms, Abyss Shriek, Descending Dark, Shade Soul, Shade Cloak and the ability to more freely pick between healing and offensive spells

>>719937085
delusional fanboy retard.

>Get a silk heart
>can't really tell what it does at first
>realize it basically sets my minimum silk to 1
>if I purposely spam silk spears I only need to land 3 hits instead of 4
>2 more silk hearts to find later
This shit is going to get so fun further in. Just murdered the shit out of Silk with my new spiky traps and spear spam. The game definitely rewards leaning into the offensive.

>>719937131
I WOULD HAVE THE SPIKE TRAP IF I HAD ANY FUCKING MONEY LEFT AFTER THE MAP MERCHANT AND BENCHES TAKE TURNS RAPING MY WALLET

>>719937137
so what you're saying is the content systems and unlockables in SS are worse.

>>719937073
if you go left from shellwood theres a zone above the starting area on the left side, idk if thats where youre meant to go though
could also do hunters march if you havent

>>719937183
grind money for spike trap, trust me on this, it's extremely strong

>>719936967
Nope, i have no idea what's going on there
Maybe just restart you game? Could be a bug

>>719934223
garana
GARANA
garana!
g a r a n a
GARANA!
gₐᵣₐₙₐ

>>719937193
That and the fact you can only heal with a full bar of silk makes it much more punishing to choose between healing and spells. This was already a punishing choice in HK but it's way more exaggerated in SS.

>>719937143
projection

>>719936924
Hornet. I love how fast she is.

>>719937092
I dropped it simply because I expected more, if this was the first hollowknight game I touch then I would have liked it.
The abilities are meh, expected progression like ori -> ori 2 combat.

>gain a shield while healing

yeah i aint taking this shit off ever

>>719937234
>grind money
GREAT GAME DESIGN.

I miss the dream nail guys
loved getting me some sippy while entering people's minds

>>719925373 (OP)
At first, I thought that difficulty complaints were exaggerated, but then I reached Greymoor and encountered a boss that absolutely fucking shredded my ass. I thought, "okay, there must be some health upgrade at this point, I've been playing for long enough, maybe I missed something". So I went back to the only area I could explore more of, Hunter's Trail, and encountered another boss that fucked me even fucking harder. Now I understand the complaints. In metroidvanias, you're supposed to feel more powerful as you progress, but this game exists to rape your ass from start to finish, and getting gud requires becoming a speedrunner.

>>719933276
buy the mask charm from the hidden vendor near the top of hunter's march

>>719937320
you can't heal when the shield get hit, useless garbage

What I like about Silksong is that every move you make is deliberate, goes well with theming across both games and feels more satisfying gameplay wise. In HK you were a spammy i frame abusing little shit that didn't give a shit about anything except killing the enemy but with silksong you feel a lot more vulnerable but still using every tight moment to get a hit on your enemies while preserving yourself.

>>719937309
>expected progression like ori -> ori 2 combat.
No game can do that kind of progression
Because Ori 1 has nonexistent combat

Even Blasphemous 2 combat upgrade didnt represent that big of a jump

>>719937360
or use cheat engine, it's a PC game

Has a currency system in a metroidvania ever been good? Feels like they only exist to pad shit out or to have something to drop when you died because Dark Souls did it

>>719937393
so its literally cheat death

yeah, never taking that shit off

>>719937375
My issue with hollow knight was that it already felt like you never “became powerful” in a satisfying way and this is even worse on that front

>>719936830
Ori is a soulless game and series funded by Microsoft and made by employees in a toxic environment, it will never have an ounce of the soul and following of Hollow Knight, that is made by 3 passionate guys

>>719937193
The offensive tools are good but everything else feels inferior to the charms and spells.

>>719933118
This boss is very fun to fight btw, unironically.

>>719937440
especially with how early you get it
"do I want grubsong from temu, half damage from fire but only once every minute or cheat death with every enemy dealing 2 hears minimum"
GEE I FUCKING WONDER

>>719937489
You get absurdly OP by the end of HK but it's kind of on you to discover it because you're OP by gaining tools that let you literally dance circles around the bosses.

>>719937489
>spell charms
>abyss shriek spam
>never becoming powerful
bro

ITS TIME TO PAY THE TOLL, YOU BUG PIECE OF SHIT

>>719937401
They had least few years to copy from all other games that released after HN.
How hard it was to add few interactions between tools? All this just suggests that the game was in dev hell.

>>719937375
It’s like they made godmaster and thought “wow everyone loved this! let’s make the whole next game like this!” not realizing that no one except autistic speedrunners with an infinite tolerance for double triple hitless sub 10 second challenge runs has the ability or desire to deal with this level of constant unbroken stress, it genuinely feels like they accidentally shipped with the special hard mode enabled by default

I'm mostly enjoying my time with the game but I'm a bit disappointed. I assumed they would've learned from hollow knight feedback and that the higher production values would protect the game from questionable game design decisions. With 7 years and bigger budget I'm baffled to see shit like:

>get it? it's a trap! x1000 times in the same area
>picking up a new crest disabling equipped charms (seriously what the fuck)
>the beast crest in general
>useless quest system/quests having to be validated at the board
>exploration rewards being useless currency (that falls down into spikes)
>the already not-so-great charm system made even worse
>areas looking even more similar to one another compared to hollow knight

I was much more forgiving when playing Hollow Knight because it was their first game and I still looked at it through a "it's a small indie game" lens. It made me really impressed with the good stuff (music in certain areas, sound design in deepnest, boss fights like pure vessel or nightmare king grimm) but Silksong still having those amateurish issues is concerning. I refuse to believe that placing money chests near pits where the coins fall easily if you hit them, especially after a difficult platforming section, is intentional.

This pretend weapon variety system is also concerning. Reading the description of the crests you'd assume the nails would control differently or change shape, but it's just reach/atk speed and aesthetics with the major changes being the pogo and healing benefits.

Thing is I still like the game, Hornet is really satisfying to move around compared to the knight but I wish they got rid of the tedium. None of the bosses have been difficult so far and while the locked rooms are challenging, the enemies feel like reskins. Or like it doesn't matter what moveset team cherry gives them since playing like a coward is the most efficient way to deal with all of them. For all the movement improvements the combat took a huge hit.
Hornet is weak

>>719937521
i know myself enough as a gamer to never pick situational buffs/items over things that you can apply anywhere

doesn't matter how good you are, you're gonna fuck up or slip up now and then, so why not have a backup for what it happens

>>719937490
>made by employees in a toxic environment
we need more people working in toxic environments if that's how their games will be

>>719937638
>For all the movement improvements the combat took a huge hit.
The combat is my favorite part of Silksong desu. Like across the board outside of a few anomalies like Beastfly.

>>719937490
>passionate
maybe but certainly not skilled or talented .

>>719925373 (OP)
Is it really hard?
I remember even /v/ saying the Elden Ring DLC Lion boss was super hard and was filtering people. Then when I got to the boss I thought it wasn't that bad at all (and was actually pretty fun).

What immediately stands out to me about Silksong so far is how much harder you have to respect every single individual trash mob, it just takes fucking forever to kill things and you have to approach them so much more conservatively to not take BIG DICKED DOUBLE DAMAGE. It definitely does get super fucking tedious. Why do I have to respect this rando fucking crawling ant? Oh right he's got infinite fucking poise and doesn't give a fuck about being hit, the devs are fags and put him on a 1m wide platform and he needs 4 hits to die (you also can't just chain pogo him to death because lmao diagonal pogos). Hornet feels like a fucking cripple in comparison to the Hollow Knight.

>>719937490
Of all the complaints I've heard about Ori, "soulless" is definitely a new one.

>>719933276
Git gud
>>719933386
Git gud
>>719934729
Git gud

>>719937713
We didn't appreciate how much of a combat beast the knight is. TC has corrected that.

>>719937638
>the beast crest in general
the fact you still have to spend time charging it's lifesteal is the most absurd thing ever
if they wanted to make beast crest work, disable charging all together and make it's lifesteal work like Bloodborne

now you have your hyperaggressive crest

>>719937638
Yeah team Cherry is starting to Huff their own farts it looks like. A lot of questionable game design and you know it was only done to push the le hard game meme.

I still like it and I'm still going to beat it. But yeah I can already tell the first one was better and will still be my favorite

>>719936561
You should try TEVI

>>719937638
>playing like a coward is the most efficient way to deal with all of them
Nah dude, silkhearts heavily reward you spamming silk skills like fuck.

>>719937713
>pogo
kek *shade dashes through you*

>>719925373 (OP)
but shill, did they actually make the game fun this time?

It's clearly pretty difficult for normies and people with shitty reflexes. Is this a well-designed game though? If you have skill and are capable of meeting the challenge, will you praise its design?

Widow is really cool. Kind of mad about that fake-out death.

>>719937825
Any issue I have with the game is counteracted by seeing that other people are more annoyed by it, so I defend it

>>719937692
lmao loser

>>719925373 (OP)
Everyone is complaining about the diagonal pogo, nobody has actually played the game and explored enough to find one of the two crests that make pogoing easier

>>719937763
I mean, Knight beat up Hornet at like 30% of his power, didn't even have shade cloak
Hornet would get bullied by Radiant-ready Knight

>>719937521
No way the heat charm only works once every minute is it? I used it for the deep docks secret boss and I swear it saved me a lot of damage.

>>719937868
Silksong has equal parts design brilliance and equal parts shit that just makes me scratch my head.
That is to say it is kino but also retarded.

And I can completely see how this was made by three autistic aussies in their own world. I reserct it but also understand the seething.

HELLO NEWNIGGERS

>>719937868
No, I will not praise its [PLEASE PAY 3000 ROSARIES TO CONTINUE THE POST]

>tfw I spent over 800 hours in Godhome alone and the game is everything I ever wanted it to be

I am so happy that Team Cherry catered to me specifically, even if it fucks over 90% of players

Is there a way to restore the bench in Bilewater? Or am I forced to do the shittiest runback in gaming?

>>719937915
It recharges in like maybe 5 seconds.

>>719937787
The Knight would fucking flex on the entire kingdom of Phardoon and it would be really embarrassing for Hornet. Legit feels like every other enemy is a miniboss. These areas are exhausting to fight through and not entirely in a good way.

>>719937713
>>719937763
Yeah I think this is it. To be fair the fanbase really pushed Hornet being the vergil of Hollow Knight but she was always meant to be an irrelevant jobber, I guess silksong proved that. The knight just mogs in every way and he doesn't scream every second
No wonder she's weak. A lot of players first-timed her encounters in the first game because how of easy she was. In a way it's fitting, although all the NPCs simping for her when they meet her is annoying.

void knight gods remain at the peak

>>719933435
Only drops shards

>>719937941
haha this is [Pay 60 rosaries to view this post]

>>719937947
I spent 300 hours in godhome and I'm not happy with silksong. I always hated exploration and platforming I just want to skip to the endgame boss rush kino

Is it possible to kill the mole bug that vomits acid in the leadup to the wormways?

>>719938034
>Plays Metroidvania
>Doesn't like exploring
???

>>719937963
Shade cloak will easily fix most of the problems in this game and will probably be the only "fuck yea" tool you can get as reward.

>>719937085
>He's not
boy you're a god damn fool
https://youtu.be/y9MSCGL_aA0?feature=shared&t=3

>>719938036
Yes but once you get the dash you can just outrun it so why bother.

>>719937963
>>719938095
There is an iframe silk spell that acts exactly like shade cloak btw

>>719938119
To fill up the journal I guess

>>719938036
no

>>719938036
yes, you get 140 shards for doing so
do not fucking bother it's a complete chore and if you mess up once you're taking 4 damage guaranteed

>>719938145
and shade cloak didn't cost you any soul

>>719936838
it's a silk upgrade shard and npc that gives item that recovers your corpse

>>719937976
>>719937763
>>719937713
I mean, she is only half-god, while the knight and every vessel was a full-god (1.5 god even if you count the void as some kind of hivemindless god).

>>719938145
>silk spell
WHY DOES EVERYTHING COST
WHY IS THIS GAME OBSESSED WITH GIVING YOU FEATURES YOU WONT USE BECAUSE THEY COST RESOURCES YOU CANT AFFORD TO EXPEND

>>719937929
Honestly im starting to hate difficult games simply because normies are now eating it up. The Silksong reddit is cringe. Everything is just "skill issue" that "silk issue" this and its like they just caught up to 2017 4chan ragebaiting.

>>719938093
did I stutter troon
HK became peak when I reached godhome
I don't think I ever finished the game normally lol. I just beat absolute radiance

>>719936385
>>have more than two phases
spoiling nigger

>>719938145
the shade cloak is free nigga, 1.5s cd, 1x nail damage with sharp shadow, 1.5x damage and 40% more range if you add dashmaster
and using that spell removes her aoe attack
meanwhile the knight can have shade cloak and abyss shriek and shade soul on at the same time

>>719937638
The only actual legitimate criticism of this remains the compass, fix the compass taking a slot and everything else is moot, same as hollow knight.
Don't know why they did that again.

>>719938145
I know but it needs silk and replaces your current ability.

I cheat engine shards
I'm bad at the game, I'm aware of that, but being stuck on a boss is my punishment, I do not subscribe to being stuck on a boss and farming enemies for 5 minutes in between on top

>>719938275
Bro, you literally generate silk for free.

>>719933513
zoomer brainrot post

>>719938275
>WHY IS THIS GAME OBSESSED WITH GIVING YOU FEATURES YOU WONT USE BECAUSE THEY COST RESOURCES YOU CANT AFFORD TO EXPEND
Bro what? Silk spells are stupid fucking good.

Why would you not use them?

>>719938334
Devs discourage autopilot.

>>719934806
>>719925604
>>719925793
What is with you retards and having no reading comprehension? The point he was clearly making was that Silksong assumes you're already good at Hollow Knight the moment you start playing it, not that Hollow Knight was harder

>>719938309
This message smells of retarded zoomer like no other

>>719938309
You're a retard anon

This thread seems more active, so I'll ask here.
There was a bird boss in the western part of greymoor. I ran away from it and was going to come back and fight it later. But then I traveled with the fleas and they set up camp where it was. Did the boss move somewhere else or do I not get to fight it now?

>>719935363
>all the boring and needlessly long filler segments of maps, especially the memorization tier platforming sections
Kinda but not really, the movement is more complex and hornet has a run button so its not as slow getting around
>lack of variety related to the items, weapons, and abilities sandbox, where the game isn't really rewarding you with many stylistically or even mechanically interesting upgrades, not like how you get suit and beam upgrades in Metroid that have both aesthetic and gameplay impacts, and then there's the Metroidvanias that have shit tons of weapons and abilities that do a lot of different things which are both stylistically and mechanically interesting and unique
Yeah definitely. Don't want to spoil to much but you can change up your playstyle a lot more than the orignal
>lack of a memorable leitmotif in the music, the existing leitmotif just feels generic, can't hum it at all from memory unlike tracks from Metroid or Castlevania
I liked original hollow night ost, I would say expect more of the same

>>719938370
3 at most and hearts are hard to find and regen slow only when you have less silk than hearts.
If you use the ability you end up not being able to heal.
Just terrible design.

>>719938449
It unlocks as a quest you can do later. Dont worry.

>>719938415
>Devs discourage autopilot.
it remains a stupid choice that improves nothing in the game.

>>719938302
>game is difficult
>any criticism will be deflected with hoards of git gud and skill issue
It’s all so tiresome

>>719938421
>>719938432
why
I like boss rushes
I didn't care about the story or exploration if hollow knight was just the trial of fools, path of pain and godhome I would be very satisfied
I'm hoping to get through silksong quickly and play the good parts

>>719938476
>If you use the ability you end up not being able to heal.
IF YOU USE THE ABILITY THEN IT LETS YOU AVOID DAMAGE

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED
IS /v/ JUST FILLED WITH RETARDS???

>Jump off ledge
>hit flying enemy
>fall back to ledge

>Jump off ledge
>hit flying enemy
>fall back to ledge

>Jump off ledge
>hit flying enemy
>fall back to ledge

>repeat...

this is boring. haven't games evolved past this shit. just give me a 3 hit air combo so I don't have to waste time on this outdated formality.

>>719938359
tools recharging at benches for free and rosaries being the only drop would have been better IMO

>>719934729
I one shot the bird trial but have been doing the ant one for about 2 hours.

>>719938527
So you willingly played a game filled with the stuff you hate until the final dlc came out and then decided you liked it?

>>719938536
It's literally downgrade to the first game in every way

I actually wonder why they made the game so hard. I would not have guessed this would be the decision they go with after that long wait

>>719938594
especially because trying out tools is fun, but you're heavily discouraged from doing so by the game

>>719938476
No need to heal if you murder everything outright. If you are already at full health you may as well go all out on damage. But really, the sooner you drop your enemy the less likely you are to fuck up and eat a hit.

>>719938651
They made it for the fans

>>719938651
To mask the bad design decisions and lack of improvements.

>>719925460
is this actually happening

>>719938651
Are you really surprised by this?
Hollow Knight was originally meant to be way harder but playtesters begged them to tone it down.

These guys grew up loving Faxanadu and Zelda.
I think that explains everything you need to know about them.

>>719938651
Because smug cocky gamers kept going
>heh, i just beat this boss by spamming shrieks and ground pounds,this game is for babies.
and devs didn't like that.

>>719938486
>wish granted
Thank you, anon.

>>719938730
>and Zelda
Correction. I don't even mean Zelda 1. I meant ZELDA FUCKING 2.

Reminds me of when Metroid X-Fusion finally came out last month, and half the community was bitching it was too hard despite the 'Veteran' tag applied to it.

The dev eventually added an easier difficulty option he self-proclaimed as "Journalist mode".

>>719938782
Zelda 2 is literally nobody's favorite Zelda, are they like space aliens?

>>719938782
>TC are the pseuds on here defending Zelda 2
It all makes sense now

>>719931564
this only applies to public cucks

>>719925373 (OP)
>unironically using the term normie
holy cringe

waiter waiter, more flying enemies spamming projectiles please!

>>719925373 (OP)
>hard
>contact damage
yeah nah.
lazy design

>>719938827
>>719938810
>https://www.nintendo.com/au/news-and-articles/the-metamorphosis-of-hollow-knight-with-team-cherry-aussie-developer-interview/
>The team was formed around a mutual love of classic adventure games like Zelda II: The Adventure of Link and Faxanadu, and a desire to build new adventures in the same style.

There are way more interviews out there about why they love it. But legit the two lead devs are just autistic and are hardwired differently.

>>719938651
It's literally dark souls 2 all over again. Both dark souls and hollow Knight were praised for their difficulty and lack of hand holding and then the sequels triple downed on it to the point of absurdity.
>Double damage AT THE START! And yes! Even for the environment and by touching enemies!
>a new shitty down attack that will cost you 500 analbeads for the original one!
>Some enemies are basically bosses!
>Bosses constantly spam enemies!
>HP pools increased across the board!
>Traps every 5 feet!
>Most of the enemies dont actually give analbeads!
woah. tin outta tin

>>719938808
Weren’t the complaints about that the absurd amount of damage you take

>>719938651
I know they can't program so I think it's a legitimate glitch that most enemies don't drop anything.
either that or the devs are retarded.
giving basic functions a money cost is so insanely fucking stupid. I haven't seen anything this bad since early Arcade game padding and other ancient games that made you fulfill some bullshit pre-requisite just to save.

>>719935054
This. All my muscle memory is being attacked
I fucking hate this too because I always hated using extra tools in games of that kind, always focusing everything on the basic weapon if i could. Better to master that than play with shit I might not like

>>719938927
DS2 had a functional save system and adequate checkpoints.

>>719938882
>hit projectile to send it back
Oh wow literally impossible

>>719938782
I'd never heard of Faxanadu and didn't bother with Zelda 2 because it's seemingly still one of those games assuming you to have a guide and even if it's not I kinda just wanted to go for ALttP.
Is Faxanadu the same?

>>719938882
you can knock those back at them if you don't suck ass peasant.

>courier's rasher delivery
yeah not gonna do that, happy you coded it though.

>>719935054
>>719938950
you cant really blame TC for you not engaging with the games mechanics

I think quests are designed to make you visit areas you may have missed

>>719939043
If they want me to use subweapons maybe they shouldn't have tied them to fucking Sekiro talismans

>>719938927
>Traps every 5 feet!
But this is one of the best changes.

>>719939019
Zelda 2 just has a bunch of really annoying enemies and the most retarded exp system I’ve seen in a game. There’s a romhack that removes the bullshit that I’ve heard is decent but I never tried it

>>719939095
The game shits out shards at you

This boss is poorly designed. I don't know what Team Cherry's deal is with making flying enemy have thee most obnoxious input reading imaginable, coupled with deceptive swaying motions. But they continue to do it with every flying creature ever. And this guy is the biggest example of it. It's like they took a page out of Elden Ring's book, and gave the enemy random variable delays, just to make extra sure you can't read him.

I took a screenshot of it dead, just so you know I can beat him. He's just shittily designed.

>>719939095
sekiro still was idiotic about that
why does using an axe require talismans? it's an axe, it's not even magical
not to mention everyone is just going to use their talismans on mortal draw so outside of specific boss gimmicks, they might as well not exist

>>719939140
yeah and then I need to go donate 600 of them for filler quests

>Faxanadu
>Zelda 2
THIS FUCKING EXPLAINS EVERYTHING
IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW
THE DEVS WANTED TO MAKE THE GAME THEY WANTED TO MAKE

LEFT TO THEIR OWN DEVICES THEY MADE THE MODERN DAY EQUIVALENT TO CBT NES GAMES

>>719939140
>need to restock at benches
useless shit

>>719939165
My gear btw. I'm not far into the game at all. I haven't even found a blacksmith to upgrade my weapons. And this ant zone feels like I should be stronger than I am. But I'm just too intrigued to stop exploring the area.

>>719939095
Why not? It works for Sekiro. I personally think it's kind of pointless and they should just refill as benches. But both games are pretty generous with their emblems so it isn't much of an issue.

>>719939190
Rumor has it they are also great fans of the Lion King game

This game would be so much better if it had the bloodborne blood bullet mechanic

I wouldn't be so salty about the difficulty if not for the small fuck you moments Team Cherry sprinkled everywhere. Hunter's March doesn't have benches, I get it, that's the challenge, and passing it was frustrating but fun. But then they put a bench at the very end, and fucking booby trap it with an invisible trap that takes two fucking masks. And turning it off requires you to go through a hidden passage in the wall. What's the point of this? It felt like I was playing Syobon Action or I Wanna Be the Guy, a game that purposefully tries to fuck with you as a joke. And there's a spike tunnel you must glide down, except they also remove the floor below you as you land. And don't even get me started on some common enemies being literally impossible to avoid without waiting for specific attacks, like those large bugs with tridents.
It's shit like that that pushes Sliksong from just difficult to fucking annoying.

>>719939239
>Why not? It works for Sekiro
it's literally the worst part of Sekiro and it's not even close

>>719939186
>need

>>719939190
>one of the most hyped indie games of all time
>and they design based on old archaic titles

This is actually pretty based desu lmao

>>719939165
Whose idea was it to have it summon that big fucker that takes like 6 hits to kill and does two masks of damage?

>>719939297
No. The headless are the worst part of sekiro.

>>719939190
the game is so devoid of modern innovations and QOL improvements it really feels like an outdated arcade port or nes game.
I'm surprised zoomers put up with this shit. buyers stockholm syndrome really has rotted their brains.

>>719939326
even worse, when he summons that big fucker and then immediately summons 2 minions at the same time on top

>>719939265
Imagine if this game had rally

>>719939415
If only there was some way for you to hit multiple enemies at once....

can anyone explain me why there's early game bosses that are harder than friggin Radiance?
And I know they're harder because I completed HK right before playing Silksong

>>719939024
mouthbreathers mistake tedium for difficulty and their superiority complex flares up

>>719939415
And then refuses to do the ground smash to kill them off for you. Or he does it but the big one floats juuuust high enough to not get caught in the hitbox.

>>719939239
>>719939297
I never had a problem with it because I downloaded a mod that fixed the emblem economy.
it was badly done in the initial release of sekiro. there were some weak or near usless skills that cost too much.

>>719937868
I'm progressing just fine, but I wouldn't call it well designed. What was the point of presenting Hornet as a diagonal attacking agility character if you get a Knight moveset replacement fairly early in? The game doesn't reward you or make you feel good about successfully pogoing, either. Enemies that shimmy backwards just out of reach or which spaz around in the air appear far too quickly. You get into a rhythm and then are immediately baited and punished for it. It just makes enemies tedious. Bosses, too. I like the game but it doesn't feel rewarding to play.

>>719939456
>flying enemy hovers high
>crawling enemy on the ground
>and big guy doesn't even die to 2 spells and can fucking parry them

this guy was fun as fuck and very simple and mechanical once you learn his moves, have people really been struggling with him?

>>719935054
The problem is that it also punishes using tools too much because they expend a resource that can only be regenerated through grinding enemies. If you didn't have to care about the fucking shells and your stuff simply got restocked at the save point, I would gladly use it. But if you use it on the bosses specifically, you will simply run out of shells, and then you're fucked. This is like playing Metroid fucking 1. Was putting recharge stations of some kind near the boss benches really that difficult?

how the fuck do I solve the mist? I swear ive tried reaching the end for each direction and nothing happens

>>719939546
>very simple and mechanical once you learn his moves

There's nothing simple and mechanical about all those fucking buzzsaw mixups.

>>719939562
>This is like playing Metroid fucking 1.

Or Sekiro, for an even better comparison.

>>719939641
the first one goes straight the second one is a circle shrimple as

>>719925373 (OP)
It’s not even hard. No, dying to a boss or some enemy placement 2-3 times isn’t “hard.” It should be normal for a game to not steamroll itself for a player who hasn’t even grasped the depth of the mechanics.

>>719937702
It’s the exact same scenario. The baseline for difficulty is legitimately just so low that the very idea of dying to an opponent in a single player game is treated as an unfair and insurmountable wall to these people.

>>719934361
>Fiero is an Italian word that describes the sense of pride and triumph that comes from overcoming significant adversity.
I don't know where you read that, but it just means "proud"

>>719939690
>t. Early in part 1

>get two other crests
>theyre both objectively worse than the divekick

>>719938929
Only on certain enemy types, especially early on. Just don't suck.

At least hard difficulty was left mostly intact after v1.1 & v1.2, which I still cannot make much progress on without resorting to save states.

>>719939748
I thought it meant stab your ally in the back and struggle to take Somalia?

>>719934309
>t. lacks a warrior's mind

>>719939683
Sekiro has much better design.
you run out of emblems you're still fine because your base defensive and offensive mechanics are super reliable and most enemies aren't damage sponges.

>>719939686
But sometimes he doesn't do the second one. And he moves around constantly so even if you know the exact path of the blade you might end up getting hit by it anyway.

>>719934426
I'm at the boss right before you get the needle upgrade, and it's baffling how tanky some of the bosses are. Granted, I noticed on some wins for bosses that as long as you're not getting hit and landing your stronger attacks and using tools like the game really wants you too, the fights speed up significantly, but you really need to get their patterns down for it.

>>719938719
my coworker said he bought it because it was getting a bunch of hype, though he said he's letting his kids play through it first

>>719939767
Reaper is just OP with the silk generation ability.

This game would be significantly be better without contact damage. The amount of times it spells my end to accidentally bump into the boss and take two masks of health is some shit.

>>719939928
When DO you get needle upgrade? After beating Widow?

>>719940015
yes

>>719940015
yes but they made that one extra bad so it does fucking nothing

>>719939758
Nope, early act 2. When does it get “hard” exactly?

t. unironically beat pre-nerf Consort Radahn in 3 tries

>>719939928
Widow kind of ruined the game for me, she was both difficult and boring. I could no hit those 2 first stages just to get murdered in bullet time. It was awful to do over and over and over again.

>>719940126
>I could no hit those 2 first stages

Ah fuck, there's a third stage? Suddenly I'm very discouraged.

>>719940114
Didn't everyone?

>>719934141
I'm about 15 hours in (just got the first nail upgrade) and this is the hardest encounter thus far. Most of the bosses except Moorwing have taken me 1-3 tries and Moorwing was due to greeding pogos. To be fair, I did most of Hunter's March before even beating Fourth Chorus. There should be a better reward here, though, I put all that effort into enemy luring and pogoing up there, on top of the fight, and all I got was some rosaries.

more flying enemies, more objects in the foreground that blocks enemies that are laying on the floor!

>no act 3
lmao

>>719940225
There should be a better reward here, the game.

>>719938598
3 hours
I am not getting closer to anything but uninstalling

>>719940252
There's a bullshit spike wall obstacle course followed by a locked in enemy room here. Thats when I called it quits.

>>719935327
Here is a tip to trivialize the entire game
>Learn the pogo
>Give yourself infinite anal beads with cheat engine
The new pogo is completely broken because of it's long duration allowing you enough airtime to chase the boss around literally goomba stomping them and the few moves they have to deal with that all get parried due to that same duration
The second tip is because needing to grind in a game like this is legit retarded, if you never lose a single bead by dying, kill every enemy you encounter and still can't afford basic stuff to advance the game it's just retarded padding in a game that doesn't need it, I want to play a metroidvania not fucking Farmville
The tools having a resource cost is good though, even if you spam them you only run out of metal if you mess up, you're not forced to grind if you play the game normally

>>719940552
I knew my anger would work.

>>719939641
Just jump over them and don't get hit on the rebound

How do you get on the platfrom for the weaverden in the wormfields?

>>719940493
Nah, most of the bosses are perfectly fair, it's just that this normal enemy encounter is harder than all the bosses thus far because the flying ant warrior thing is tough. You just have to watch the enemy patterns and wait for openings, you can't greed like in HK because there's no descending dark, shaman stone, shadow dash (yet?) etc.

>>719940859
Oh I meant spell twister, it's been a few years

>>719935728
You can actually save Mila, it's clearly not intended but it's possible by not getting crystal heart and then sequence beaking the upgrades that are supposed to be locked behind it
The hardest part is a close to frame perfect pogo trough a spike tunnel

>>719940859
They should drop cash or stones at the very least.

>>719934141
I just used tools to kill the small guy then fought the big guy regularly

>>719936321
wtf? Steam achievements say 13.9% for me at the moment. Are you playing on Playstation? Anyways, the game literally JUST came out. I'm actually finding it funny that /v/ is playing it together right now at relatively the same pace.

>>719940114
Radahn was such a kino boss. Genuinely one of the highlights of ER

>Best feeling fight in the game
>Suddenly enters phase 2 and just spams shit non-stop
What is going on with this game

>>719941762
Widow = Grimm
Stage 2 = Nightmare mode
Just dodge and you'll be fine

>>719925739
The difficulty is wildly exaggerated

>>719925739
The combat is not good enough to justify the difficulty. So yes, it's too hard.