Thread 719939080

Capcom destroyed hammer. It was perfect in world. Perfect. Now you have two charge stances and it's weird. You have to dodge out of blue stance to yellow stance to do more damage with silkbind attack. That's wack. Water strike is wack. Flow charging is wack. Hammer used to be simple, now it's not.

They destroyed my boy.

You don't have to do anything fagget. You can still play crit draw level 3 charge gs as if it's 2008.
You can still fish for stuns then go into golfswing.
Quit yer bitchin.

>>719939726
they fucking destroyed it, what are these skills and the switch stance system, its horrible

>>719939080 (OP)
Based Grug

man frontier z is so nice looking

>>719941613
>>719941807
how am i even supposed to play hammer in rise? its bad

>>719939080 (OP)
wait until you see what they did in Wilds..

>>719939080 (OP)
it's too bad
there's a few weapons that have really bad iterations in rise, but a lot that have their best versions

>>719942210
i will never forgive them for hunting horn

>>719939726
>you can still play how the weapons used to, just get used to hunts taking nearly 20+ minutes for not engaging with the new gimmicks!

>>719942407
It's almost as if you don't like hunting monsters.

>>719942210
which weapon has the best iteration, because its certainly not hammer

>>719939080 (OP)
Hammer peaked in GU with aerial.

>>719942449
Hunt times nearly tripling because you refuse to fucking clutch claw wallbang every single available opening and the monsters having grossly inflated HP and defense values that borders on fucking Apex numbers in 4U that can only be resolved by {Gimmick} isn't fucking fun, nor is it hunting the monster because instead you're fighting the fucking game itself instead.

Making every weapon as irritatingly complex as Charge Blade used to be and doping the monsters so that the only feasible way you can enjoy fighting them is by playing the way the GAME wants you to and it actively fucking punishing you for not doing so is the hallmark of game devs huffing their own colons and no longer caring about making a game that their playerbase will actively enjoy. But you don't need any more evidence that this is fact considering the team keeps shoving unskippable story faggotry down everyone's throats despite it being the number one criticism from both World and Wilds, and they have actively commented that it's the new direction moving forward no matter what.

>>719939080 (OP)
Golf swing into level 3 is kino
Water strike into golf swing is kino
Spinning level 3 finally being useful is cinema
Stop being a fag

>>719939726
also this

>>719942407
fake news. Playing boomer style even even more KO

>>719939080 (OP)
>It was perfect in world
lmao amerimutts

>>719942748
We are talking about Rise. Why did you cite games not called Rise?

>>719942728
>>719942748
>>719942882
>>719942951
>Hammer in every game: Easy and fun
>Hammer in rise: lol you have two stances because we want hammer to be different than any other MH game ever made
?????????????

Basic hammer is lame in Rise.

BUT

Courage hammer is incredibly fun. You're just bashing the monsters into submission, constantly weaving around their attacks.

t. Hammer main since Dos.

>>719942584
gunlance, swaxe, insect glaive, longsword
maybe others I'm less familiar with

>>719942748
>charge blade
>complex
ok buddy

>>719939080 (OP)
>world hammer
>literally just run up hill to do sliding attack over and over
world hammer enjoyers.jpg

>>719942996
Hammer in every other game: ignore most of the moveset and just spam 2 attacks

Hammer in Rise: here's a shit ton of stuff you can do. Play however you like, its all good.

>>719942994
Because Rise is just as much at fucking fault at shoving infuriating gimmick shit down your fucking throat and actively punishing you for not playing the way it wants
>spiritbirds
>sword and shield, hammer, hunting horn, and insect glaive go full fucking retard with silkbinds to the point that not using them is effectively griefing your hunting party and intentionally kneecapping your hunting times--to the point you quite literally cannot perform even remotely decent in endgame content because the monsters digested 50 kilos of cocaine and you MUST use the silkbinds or either get carted repeatedly OR lose to the quest timer
>rampages, literally EVERYTHING about rampages
>qurio anomaly rng grinding

It did some amazing things for the rest of the weapons, to be sure, and contrary to my point above the drill stab is easily the best thing to come to the SnS in spite of the silkbind faggotry, but let's not be the kind of retards who claim 4U is the best game in the series that lacks any and all real flaws when it had relic weapon faggotry and Apex monsters were beyond obnoxious because of the wystones.

>>719943426
Courage Hammer uses 0 silkbinds. You can use the impact balls ever 2 minutes but it's no different from any other buff.

Frontier Hammer will always be the absolute lowest point for Hammer in the entire series. Not only is it weak but it's also extremely unfun to play. The best part? Their response to it being the most guttershit weapon in the game? You think they would buff it right? Nope. They instead introduced Mag. Spikes which completely outclass it

>>719939080 (OP)
it's the opposite for me, Rise Hammer has an amazing toolkit but the MVs are all undertuned

It was world that introduced power charge making regular charge useless. Rise gave regular charge some purpose with the stance switch. Raw power hammer being impact crater focused is boring but courage ele hammer is much more fun than whatever world and ib did. The real offender is wilds hammer as you cannot launch people anymore with your attacks.

>>719943426
SnS & Glaive in Rise are so fucking kino.
Imagine actually bitching about being "forced" to use the silkbinds. Seriously stop being a faggot.

>>719939080 (OP)
>It was perfect in world. Perfect
Yes, Perfect.
Having to do the clunky Power Charge every 5s instead of just switching to Strength is "Perfect"
>>719945343
Sunbreak added the buff thing + Keeping Sway which basically revived Str Hammer gameplay.
Courage is more "optimal" but you need a good Elemental setup for it, otherwise it's about equal

>>719947979
explain the two stances in one sentence, you cant

>>719945343
I'm using the "PvP" mod and I wonder if people I'm playing with are confused I keep getting thrown around for some reason.
GL's WF range is crazy now though, it's almost unplayable if people are spamming it during a hunt

Is Generations Ultimate a good starter point for monhun if I want the "classic"ish experience? I know people say World is decent but I like the idea of playing a more traditional one with a fuckload of content to chew on.
Also fairly sure it's not too hard to setup co-op even when emulating, I think the steam deck can probably handle that game fine no?

>>719949253
No play Tri.

>>719949253
>"classic"ish experience
Sort of. But if you're looking for content to choke through, you can't go wrong with GU (or Frontier)
>steam deck can probably handle that game fine
Absolutely. The Ryujinx fork works fine and these days I'm only using my Deck to play GU. Although there are bugs that lock up the Switch keyboard and make it hard to look for active rooms.
Don't forget to install the 1.40 TU file so people can join your room

>>719949253
I liked it, but didn't get into the endgame and just played "Guild" style (I.E. classic movesets). I've heard people say that doing endgame stuff without using the more OP styles is basically impossible, but I have no idea if that's true or just shitter cope. That said, it'll probably take a couple hundred hours to reach endgame if it's your first MH, during which you can definitely just play it like classic MH.

>>719949462
Nice. I guess I'm not stingy on the classic thing, I thought the styles looked interesting, I'm no purist on these things as an outsider.
>Don't forget to install the 1.40 TU file so people can join your room
Good to note thanks.
>>719949474
I think my hardest thing will be choosing a weapon, since they all seem to play wildly different
I tried World with a friend and bounced off of it hard, this would be my second real attempt with MH

>>719949474
>. I've heard people say that doing endgame stuff without using the more OP styles is basically impossible, but I have no idea if that's true or just shitter cope
it's definitely not true. Back then I solo'd basically every single level 15 deviant using guild style. There are some attacks that are pretty bullshit to use without absolute readyness/dodge though (mostly applies to the top tier deviants like diablos tho)

they ruined GS in worlds and I never came back to the franchise

>>719949664
>spoiler
My friend had a similar experience (even refunded the game), but he ended up getting hooked on IG. I think you just need to find which weapon fits with your mindset, just take it slow and try them all out

>>719949253
Nah it's a compilation game so fanfave monsters don't get a specific spotlight like they do in their own game
For "Classic but not immensely hard" 3U is a fine starting point IMO

>>719942584
Lance, as someone that dislikes wirebug gimmick/dependency of most weapons, you can play lance w/o using the wirebug moves and feel like a classic game, because i did, just instablock and guard advance/hop for offensive guard boost.

I just don't care for nuMH slop

>>719939080 (OP)
World hammer's annoying buff that you lost when you flinched was retarded and made it one of the worst-feeling iterations of hammer in the entire series. Rise just tried to make that awful idea more interesting, giving the weapon a bit of optional depth if you wanted to engage with it. If you didn't then you could still play it the same way as before. In fact, with Strength after its buffs it's probably close to optimal to just ignore all the new shit and play it like world hammer but without needing to reapply power charge after a flinch. Nothing was lost, they just added more ways to play the weapon.

>>719949253
>Is Generations Ultimate a good starter point for monhun if I want the "classic"ish experience?
Yes, but be aware that Valor, Adept and Hunter arts are a huge crutch and deviation from classic monhun and only become balanced much later in the game vs the ultra endgame Deviant monsters.
World is a decent starting place too.
I would recommend either of those games first, or even Rise, before you go out of your way to emulate any other game. And do not fall for the FU memes. FU is only if you've played 4U / 3U / P3rd and you really really really liked it and want more.
Never play Tri. Tribabs are retarded contrarians that defend a game with the smallest monster and weapon roster because no one else would defend such a horrible shitstain. And don't play Wilds.

>>719943426
>get carted repeatedly OR lose to the quest timer
Sounds like a you problem, I just grugged through the game without thinking with hammer. Most of hammer's silkbinds don't even do anything stop you from carting and the quest timer is extremely generous considering how fast the vast majority of monsters die in Rise.

>>719955232
To be fair, it looks better than 3U and the pitch dark cave is sovl

>>719943060
>LS
post sunbreak? no lmao

>>719953682
Capcums biggest mistake was watching players like this and then thinking offsets were a good idea because of it. Recognizing openings and how long it takes to get head flinches from different hits was fucking earned before. Fuck nu-monhun

>>719939080 (OP)
>It was perfect in world.
Almost everything you've mentioned was introduced in World.

>>719949253
Its the best so save it for the last

>>719955306
I prefer the colors but not really my gripe though. FU to Tri was a transition almost as ungraceful as Sunbreak to Milds.

>>719949474
Its not impossible
People overhyped its difficulty way to much, i even able to solo every EX deviant monster which according to community is very "impossible"

>>719949253
Ignore everyone saying to start with other games, GU is basically the ultimate classic style game and the best starting point. With the style and arts mechanics you can also tailor the difficulty to what you personally want.
The monster roster also has a solid chunk of monsters from each generation as well as almost all of the flagships and Elders from each game barring Cedeus for obvious reasons.

>>719955603
If anyone said soloing EX deviants was impossible they are a brainless retard that would have never beat the game without an internet connection.
That being said, they're tough and definitely very hard depending on your weapon. Valor GS / LS / HBG will make most of them pretty easy, but something normal like Guild or Strike SA will be pretty damn tough, and something retarded like Aerial HH will be close to impossible for some of them.

>>719942748
yeah, it's crazy that people don't get this - everything you said is correct

take me back to second or third gen please

Risebreak is my 3rd fav mh but i wish it was more challenging like gu and frontier
I think they should make another rise like game with frontier level hyper agressive monster that fucked your asshole hard
https://youtu.be/WrDk526zDpo?feature=shared

>>719955698
>there will never be a MH game that packs in all 4 gens features and monsters/variants/subspecies and runs natively on PC for smooth online play

>>719942748
>...despite it being the number one criticism from both World and Wilds, and they have actively commented that it's the new direction moving forward no matter what.
That's because World was a financial success, so they just assumed every decision they made in World was what consumers wanted. World killed the franchise. Tokuda is a fucking retard.

>>719955726
Yea they're definitely harder than any elder dragon, i remember soloing ex dreadqueen for the first time
It was brutal but very rewarding
I think gu deviant are the best form of end game challenge mh had so far

>>719956087
Agreed
Except for Crystalbeard he can go fuck himself