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Anonymous No.719952927 >>719953081 >>719953101 >>719953157 >>719953390 >>719953846 >>719954475 >>719957590 >>719957643 >>719958356 >>719958607 >>719958789 >>719959036 >>719959135 >>719959320 >>719959370 >>719959450 >>719960481 >>719960953 >>719963354 >>719963383 >>719963515 >>719963715 >>719963770 >>719964140 >>719964267 >>719964642 >>719964819 >>719965916
How come hobbits/halflings never took off like other tolkien races? In Baldur's Gate 3 only githyanki get picked less than Halflings.
Anonymous No.719952973
Dwarves exist and are cooler, Gnomes exist and are the exact same thing but they're also smaller so they corner the comfy midget market.
Nobody gives a shit about halflings, they're the middle child.
Anonymous No.719952993 >>719963936 >>719964157
Nobody wants to be the literal pudgy midget.
Dwarves at least are painted as badass warriors and craftsmen.
Hobbitses are too much of a "noble savage" or "funny meme" (le smol race tanking a big behemot lullz) in RPGs too much battle-oriented to be good picks.
Anonymous No.719953043
I'm already a manlet IRL, why would I want to play as one in my escapist video games?
Anonymous No.719953081
>>719952927 (OP)
Because western fantasy keep depicting them as abominations with deformed features and not a proper short race.
Anonymous No.719953101 >>719964035
>>719952927 (OP)
Halflings are:
Honest
Hardworking
Dilligent
Friendly
Does this sound like a modern zoomer to you?
Anonymous No.719953157
>>719952927 (OP)
They're designed to be the underdog race, one of the major themes of the Hobbit and LotR is that even the most feeble weak race in the universe is capable of great things because they are pure-hearted.

Most people don't want to play as something small and pathetic when they can play something cool.
Anonymous No.719953272
When it comes to RPGs and stats and abilities based on race, being very small gives penalties in the most common actions: movement and combat.
Anonymous No.719953340
Anonymous No.719953390 >>719964191 >>719964951
>>719952927 (OP)
There's nothing really that good about them unless you just want a cozy, chill life.
Ironically that's kinda the reason they make good ring-bearers. They're not that strong and they don't want to be, they just want to chill, so the ring has less power over them. When Sam got the ring for a while, he was given visions of a possible future where, using the ring's power he becomes a hero and rides a majestic horse and strikes Sauron with his sword, but he quickly realized it's just baloney that wouldn't actually work out and he just wants to go back to his garden.

Maybe you could interpret this as the humble farmer content with his life being the only one capable of slowing the ruin of the world through industrialization, dunno.
Anonymous No.719953418
They are just an offshoot of humes. Other races were or became standards, but if you just made small people then it would be seen as a ripoff of Hobbits. FF often has some of little people, but they changed it up a bit.
Anonymous No.719953846
>>719952927 (OP)
Who the fuck wants to be a manlet in their power fantasy simulator?
Anonymous No.719953943 >>719954604
everquest hobbits are chads
Anonymous No.719954475
>>719952927 (OP)
I like them
It's weird that 3e D&D turned them into basically kenders from dragonlance. I liked them being broad and jolly
Anonymous No.719954604
>>719953943
God, I can still hear the Rivervale music
Anonymous No.719955712
Because combat is a major feature of most rpgs and making halflings good at combat is absurd unless you give them superhuman stealth and stealth-crit bonuses.
Anonymous No.719956947 >>719957339
>Be a hobbit
>Enter RPG combat
>Legolas headshots you from 100 yards
>Have to make up bullshit rules as to why the race that's weak and short doesn't just get 1-shotted by all of the larger threats around them
It doesn't work for most games, it would work for city builders and strategy games.
Anonymous No.719957339
>>719956947
This is why it makes sense to make life sim style games for hobbits like the one that recently came out. Too bad that one is pretty bad.
Anonymous No.719957590
>>719952927 (OP)
bg3 halflings are extraordinarily extremely fuckable
There, I said it!
Anonymous No.719957643
>>719952927 (OP)
It's very hard to see the appeal. Elves/dwarfs are their own thing and then you've halflings who...have lotr, but you can't even use the copyrighted name for lotr vibes. They don't fight, even worse than humans, so you'd need a story-based VN to even have that work idk.
Anonymous No.719958189
One of the major red flags of the myriad Tolkien RPGs (One Ring etc) being soulless exploitative bullshit is that they portray Hobbits as going on adventures with men elves and dwarves as a natural and common occurrence.
Anonymous No.719958356
>>719952927 (OP)
halflings are a thing in seiken densetsu games
Anonymous No.719958607
>>719952927 (OP)
hobbits cant fight. the best you could do are stealth games
see: gollum
Anonymous No.719958789 >>719959491
>>719952927 (OP)
Being specifically based on hobbits and not also having a large amount of mythology around them to draw from limits just how much writers can do without JUST being a Tolkien rip off
Obviously fantasy dwarves, elves, and orcs do take a lot of inspiration from tolkein’s version but they can also draw from mythology to get inspiration for their own spin

Most video games are specifically based around combat so hobbits have an awkward fit in them, with them being mostly good as rogues.

They feel redundant when you have dwarves and gnomes
Anonymous No.719959036
>>719952927 (OP)
Low movement in all systems and in most D&D and D&D-likes they don't have an int bonus like gnomes so they're not good picks for wizards either. Although, currently they are probably at their best in 5e now, since halfling luck is a very good feature and racial ability score bonuses no longer exist.
Anonymous No.719959069 >>719960434 >>719960434 >>719963781
i have a 10 year old daughter. she is so sensitive all the time. she cries every day at least once and works herself up over everything. it's so tiresome
Anonymous No.719959135
>>719952927 (OP)
because D&D got sued for copying them so they invented hobbits at home (halflings)
Anonymous No.719959320 >>719960046
>>719952927 (OP)
Mogged by Dwarves, Gnomes and Goblins.
Anonymous No.719959370
>>719952927 (OP)
Think about it logically.
Anonymous No.719959450 >>719962574
>>719952927 (OP)
Nobody wants to play a tiny manlet who is good at nothing but sitting in their homes doing nothing.
Dwarves at least are usually depicted as battle-hardened warriors.
It's the same reason why nobody cares about playing a paraplegic in a wheelchair, despite DnD devs pushing it on people.
Anonymous No.719959491
>>719958789
If you look at settings where they try to push what exactly you can do with halflings it just feels kinda… stupid?
Look at dark sun, and ratlings
Anonymous No.719960046
>>719959320
I'd say halflings are actually better than dwarves in most systems.
Anonymous No.719960434
>>719959069
>>719959069
Cause she has a shitty, over-critical father
Anonymous No.719960481
>>719952927 (OP)
>he doesn't make a monk/barbarian tavern brawling halfling called Cockpuncher Joe
Anonymous No.719960657 >>719961405 >>719964841
I think it's funny that games and TTRPGs give Hobbits thieving skills
The point was that Bilbo WASN'T a burglar like Gandalf promised the Dwarves.
It was a classic Gandalf gag. He was having a laugh and giving them a fat useless Hobbit who he was pretending was a master thief for shits and giggles because he wanted to troll the Dwarves by sending them with a guy who was only really good at eating food and smoking his pipe and troll the Hobbits by making Bilbo leave his home and go on an adventure.
Anonymous No.719960953
>>719952927 (OP)
Because most fantasy games are based heavily around combat to some capacity, and people just don't think of Hobbits and fighting.
Anonymous No.719961405 >>719961816
>>719960657
>The point was that Bilbo WASN'T a burglar like Gandalf promised the Dwarves.
He absolutely fucking was though. Its also not using the precise modern definition of the word burglar, it doesn't necessarily mean you're a master thief, its more about being able to get into places you're not supposed to be without being seen to do *something* and he spends the entire book doing just that
Anonymous No.719961476 >>719963787
How do you correctly play as Gnome without resorting to memes?
Anonymous No.719961816 >>719962362
>>719961405
He used the damn Ring for all of his stunts and Smaug still knew he was there.
Bilbo wasn't a burglar in any sense of the word. He was just lucky, or unlucky depending on your point of view, enough to stumble upon a powerful magical artifact.
Anonymous No.719962362
>>719961816
>He used the damn Ring for all of his stunts
He doesn't get the ring until almost half way through the book where he's already helped them with the trolls, elrond, and getting the ring in the first place.
And smaug knows he's there because its a magical creature with a powerful sense of smell and high-beams for eyes that could see the shadow, and bilbo still manages to outfox him.
There wasn't a fucking dwarf in the party who could have done any of that. Gandalf knew they needed someone in the party who had dex and wis, and could make a stealth check.
Anonymous No.719962574 >>719962723
>>719959450
>Nobody wants to play a tiny manlet who is good at nothing but sitting in their homes doing nothing.
Unless you have a fetish for strong tall women that can take care of you
Anonymous No.719962723 >>719962981
>>719962574
>strong tall women that can take care of you
hobbits don't get that
hobbits get short fat women who also sit in their homes doing nothing
Anonymous No.719962874
>tfw no cute hobbit wife to enjoys the pleasures of a humble, simple life with.
Anonymous No.719962981 >>719963142 >>719963346
>>719962723
How many hobbits did Bilbo run into on his adventure? Zero.
How many tall sexy elf women did he run into? A lot. If I were Bilbo I would get that ass
Anonymous No.719963142 >>719963278 >>719963298
>>719962981
>How many hobbits did Bilbo run into on his adventure? Zero.
1 if you count Gollum.
Anonymous No.719963278
>>719963142
Gollum is my wife!
Anonymous No.719963298
>>719963142
Don't forget about Biilbo and Bigger Bilbo.
Anonymous No.719963346 >>719963623
>>719962981
you might want an elf but would an elf want you?
why would an elf bed a short hairy hobbit with a short hairy penis when they can have a Legolas?
Anonymous No.719963354
>>719952927 (OP)
Because they all look fugly. Make them look halfway good and people will like them.
Anonymous No.719963383
>>719952927 (OP)
They're too busy raising daughters to go on adventures. Bilbo and Frodo could do it because they were incels.
Anonymous No.719963515 >>719963820
>>719952927 (OP)
Halflings were only implemented late in BG3's development. You don't even see any halfling NPCs early.
Anonymous No.719963623
>>719963346
She won't have to, I have the ring of power. She won't even know I'm there.
Anonymous No.719963715
>>719952927 (OP)
Being 4 feet tall makes you pathetic.
Like "ooh, look at me I'm a race that's the size of a toddler" what am I supposed to do with that
Anonymous No.719963770
>>719952927 (OP)
I mean. If I want to be a manlet, I rather pick goblin or some shit.
Anonymous No.719963781
>>719959069
>i have a 10 year old daughter
>i have
No you don't , you are merely taking care for her now so she can be the wife of my 14 yo son
Anonymous No.719963787
>>719961476
>play a gnome
>without memes
sounds like a missed opportunity
Anonymous No.719963820
>>719963515
>You don't even see any halfling NPCs early.
The first merchant in the grove is a halfling, isn't he? The guy near the weird ox.
Anonymous No.719963864
What does sex with halflings feel like, bros?
Anonymous No.719963936
>>719952993
Faggotsies
Anonymous No.719964035 >>719964632
>>719953101
>hardworking
Aren’t they literally the laziest race ever, who eat like fat fucks and burn their brains out on weed? Sounds pretty zoomer to me
Anonymous No.719964140
>>719952927 (OP)
Same issue as with dwarfs. Why the fuck would i want to play as short humans?
Anonymous No.719964157
>>719952993
Dwarves are burly, stoic, skilled craftsmen
Gnomes are nimble, ingenious inventors
Hobbits are.... little peasants who aspire to grow potatoes
Anonymous No.719964191
>>719953390
It's not within halflings though, plenty of them are assholes of various sorts.
Anonymous No.719964267 >>719964437
>>719952927 (OP)
In Tolkien books, most hobbit communities go out of their way to stay the fuck away from the affairs of the other races. I recall Bilbo has to travel for several miles before coming across his first group of elves, who were rangers. The little guys just enjoy a nice cozy life, no major conflicts or aspirations, just sit, eat every day, go to bed, that sort of pre-industrial countryside way of life. So compared to the insane digging and building dwarves do, and the magic shit and endless lives elves have, they are boring.
I am surprised at the lack of a hobbit farming game ala Animal Crossing where you focus on leading a small hobbit community, grow stuff, deal with various hobbit rivalries, and maybe occasionally dip your toes into some grand adventure only to go back home asap to sleep with your hobbit wife and rise your little kids, who will most likely follow your steps one day. I don't think any AAA company has any interest in doing this, and farming games are a pain in the ass to code for indies so... A man can dream...
Anonymous No.719964437 >>719964539
>>719964267
>I am surprised at the lack of a hobbit farming game
There is one. You not going to like it.
Anonymous No.719964539
>>719964437
Post it. I deserve to suffer for invoking Satan's name.
Anonymous No.719964632 >>719964904
>>719964035
Pipe weed isn't supposed to be DUDE WEED LMAO! It was basically just a way to have tobacco (a new world plant that shouldn't exist in the shire until untold generations later when its brought from the americas).
And they weren't lazy, just an idyllic pastoral pre-industrial agrarian society that had basically everything they needed at their finger tips in abundance.
Yes they like food, and socializing, and all that, but the seven meals a day thing isn't from fantasy, thats how most people ate when their job was working a farm or doing manual labor. Instead of three big meals a day, you have multiple smaller meals every couple of hours so you can keep your energy up without feeling gross and overfull while you're working.
And in tolkien's universe, the hobbits live on such good fertile abundant land because they are a good and humble people who embody the christian virtues of faith, hope, and charity. If you look at the places with the "evil" people they have stripped the land bare and made it a corrupt reflection of themselves.
Anonymous No.719964642
>>719952927 (OP)
Hobbits were created to be unlikely heroes. If you're going for a straightforward fantasy work, you can't have them without also having to do the legwork to turn them into a Bilbo or Sam.
Anonymous No.719964819
>>719952927 (OP)
Anonymous No.719964841
>>719960657
Hobbits did have a natural ability to go unseen and hide at the drop of a hat if they wanted to. It's in the introduction to the book.
Also, Gandalf knew that Bilbo had it in him and just needed a push.
Anonymous No.719964904 >>719965184
>>719964632
Then why did Saruman say to Gandalf that "your love for the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind" ?
Slowing the mind sounds like weed to me.
Anonymous No.719964951
>>719953390
>When Sam got the ring for a while, he was given visions of a possible future where, using the ring's power he becomes a hero and rides a majestic horse and strikes Sauron with his sword, but he quickly realized it's just baloney that wouldn't actually work out and he just wants to go back to his garden.
Its actually much better than that.
It shows sam getting the ring. But after he defeats sauron the ring shows him a vision where he rules over the shire, and turns it into his own private garden.
Sam rejects the temptation, because he's a humble guy, and ultimately is rewarded for his faith by becoming the leader of the hobbits and the shire, expands their territory with a whole new farthing, and in repairing the damage saruman did, basically replants the entire shire, turning it into his own personal garden. On top of that he is seen as the hero and protector of the shire (along with Pippin and Merry).
It never clicks with sam, and it won't click with most readers, but Sam is rewarded with the very thing he rejects because he didn't think he was worthy, and wouldn't accept under those terms on principle.
Anonymous No.719965184 >>719965565
>>719964904
Because he thinks Gandalf is trying to protect the hobbits because they make the best pipe weed.
Its showing how corrupted the character has become when sarumon the wise can't see anyone doing something without it being a direct material gain to them.
Anonymous No.719965565 >>719965739
>>719965184
Then why pick the words "slowed your mind"? It doesn't make any sense in that context. He's clearly talking about the effects of the leaf itself and how spending so much time idling with hobbits is slowing him down and making his mind dull.
Anonymous No.719965739 >>719965951
>>719965565
Because he's projecting his own envy.
Saruman was supposed to be the wise one, but all of the wise among middle earth knew full well that Gandalf was the first among the Istari.
In Saruman's mind, undermining Gandalf's wisdom was the greatest insult he could throw while still keeping a pretense of civility.
Anonymous No.719965824
Halflings are really boring relative to most other fantasy races, "human with features" or not

This was even part of the logic behind Tolkien choosing hobbits as the heroes of his stories-- they're unassuming peasants and don't really stand out
Anonymous No.719965916
>>719952927 (OP)
Why do you want to be a midget
If fantasy is about feeling powerful, why would you want to suck.
Anonymous No.719965951
>>719965739
Calling someone a pothead is generally considered an insult, yes.