Thread 719956556

What do you think of Capcom betraying Sony just to avoid taking responsibility for Monster Hunter Wilds' failure?

literally everybody in the civilized world has a computer at home
capcom released the game on the computer but didn't make it properly playable on 99.8% of those machines
I don't think the ps5's price is to blame for that

>>719956556 (OP)
Consoles haven't offered anything worth buying their upgrades for multiple generations in a row at this point.

>>719956556 (OP)
Is not this what Capcom did to Nintendo back in the N64 days?

>>719956556 (OP)
>We will make games exclusively for rich people
>Noooo why nobody buying our shit unoptimisated slop????!!!!!AAAAAAA its the console fault

>>719956816
PS5's price does factor in, but it is not by far the most prevalent factor, is just an easy scapegoat.

>>719956556 (OP)
Capcom thinks that people are retarded and will fall for this obvious "shifting the blame" move. Hell, I am sure the Japan called them out in 5chan.

>>719956556 (OP)
>avoid
They didn't
He literally said that games like world, 4 and wilds target different audience compared to classic mh games like rise. And said they are searching for the ways to bring them back to the wilds.
>>719956759
Capcom was one of studios who never fully jumped on sony train back in the day. Enix wanted to work with both too, but square were fucktards even back in the day

>>719956907
you have to understand that they are not talking to people, they are talking to the investors, and those motherfuckers are definitely THAT retarded, if not more.

>>719956958
>4
Ok, what is going on? since yesterday I have seen people trying to dump 4 with world and wilds and this only caused MASSIVE shitposting.

>>719956958
>Rise
>Classic

>>719956657
Kill yourself thirdie

>>719956993
Normally I would agree but it were the investors themselves whom forced Capcom to admit that "Wilds fell off of oue expectations" (the most corporate way to say "is a fucking failure", Square Enixhas use these words a lot) after Capcom tried to trick them by saying that wilds had "soft" sales.

>>719957048
Have you played 4? Its the same team and director as wilds and world, and has an obvious story bend with a giant tutorial cutscene battle and shifting locale. It's a fine game just a sign of things to come.

>>719957048
>since yesterday I have seen people trying to dump 4 with world
People did that since world release...
And after wilds release, people kept saying that
It's just so happens that back in the then retards who started with 4 were vocal majority who were so sure that world is nothing like their first mh game. But true oldfags never let that go

>>719957048
4 is the first mh where they force fed you shitty story and cutscenes

>>719957202
But 4 had nothing like World/Wilds, it doesn't have a forced cinematic plot, extremely annoying characters, a massive focus in people instead of the monsters or an ugly brown and dull color palette.

STOP

THE

COUNT

>>719957048
worldtrannies have been doing this for a long time now to deflect from them being cancerous normalfags and to pretend they’re ebin classicchads who only play mhdos

>>719957319
>4
> it doesn't have a forced cinematic plot, extremely annoying characters, a massive focus in people instead of the monsters
Is that a bait?
Or you genuinely can't see faults in your first mh game?
Fuck, 4 even started trend(that wilds and world continued) where monster introductions focused on hunter, instead of fucking monster. Because protagonist was "super special"

>>719957373
The count stopped and that is the problem for Capcom, Wilds' sales fucking died after the "10 millions in one week" and Capcom is fucking angry.

>>719957523
ok worldtranny

BLAST BROS WHERE IS OUR COPE?

>>719957586
Did you play 4 moron? I love 4G to death but the "cinematic" focus started there.

The game failed because of bad aesthetics. If there were more hot sluts instead of diversity browns. Plsyers would tolerate the performance until it gets fixed.

>>719957581
STOP

THE

SWITCH 2

COUNT

>>719957665
ok worldtranny

>>719957665
It time to come up with new bait wirldtranny, your game literally raped and killed the entire franchise and shit all over its corpse

>>719956556 (OP)
Old Sony would have immediately released a remaster of pic related right now just to spite Capcom but modern Sony only cares for cinematic....no, they don't even care about cinematic movie games anymore, they only want their own Fortnite and are desperately looking for one despite already losing millions of millions in several failures.

>>719956556 (OP)
truth is, if the game were good enough people would be buying a PiS5 for it
but it's not, and the playstation 5 is a piece of shit so here we are

>>719957319
4 literally have unskippable cutscene where you see your hunter do 10 backflip all over the monster then you read some useless npc dialogue

>>719957813
fuck they need to give this the freedom wars treatment, trust the plan bro

>>719957812
>Cinematic hunter fans fighting each other

>>719957907
worldtranny, how long are you going to try and force this bait?
you lost wilds is certified FLOP and crapcom are shitting their pants

>>719957978
you will never be a classic chad

>>719957918
Freedom Wars Remaster only happened because its original producer wanted it and convinced Sony to "lend him the IP" and he will do all the world. For a Soul Sacrifice Remaster to happen we need someone "important" to annoy Sony for the IP and the only one that can do rhta is....FUCKING SCAM MAN!

>>719958084
IM TRUSTING THE PLAN AND YOU CANT STOP ME

>Capcom officially admits that Wilds is a failure.
>Wilds fanboys deny this.
>They are denying the company itself saying Wilds is a failure.
I don't even, when people deny the creator itself then there is not hope left for this fucking world.

>Release a shit game with a shit console in mind
>Shit game does poorly because the shit console is shit
Many such cases.

>>719958274
Except most of the sales of the game came from PC, Capcom blaming Sony is them trying to shift the blame because blaming PC will have the whole world scream even harder that is Capcom's fault for their shit optimization.

>>719956901
isn't the switch 2 like 500 in the states? AND it's a piece of shit that struggles to run even elden ring. wilds could never run on switch 2 and if it did it'd be even uglier with all the weather shit.

japan...i guess ps5 is more expensive, but regardless, Milds is an ugly jeet game with ugly westernized monsters. it doesn't even appeal to the japanese fantasy, unlike Rise.

Monster Hunter Stories are more like the mainline games than World and Wilds are.

>>719958473
Yeah, is just the old MH artstyle with a cell shade coat.

I've gone back to Freedom Unite. I never want to play 4U again, Generations is a Hyper monster shit fest until you reach G rank, World and Iceborne are just the Hyper monster grind all over again with super mega hypers tossed in, I've played TriU and Rise/Sunbreak to absolute death, and Wilds is more hyper grinding so I dipped before completing the story (yeah they're called tempered monsters, but same shit at the end of the day). I'm also trying to do a Freedom 1 play through, but goddamn that game is almost as rough as MH1 even with the farm and other minor improvements.

>>719958362
aaaaaand there’s the cope

So we all agree that all the problems started with World, right?

>daily milds seething thread
>daily rise is a classic game bait thead
what's gonna be next?

>>719958523
I’ll take this over the pile of shit that’s is world/wilds in a heartbeat

>>719958591
>Cope
What? I am no saying that PS5 is good, is a expensive piece of shit with no games but the fact remains that Capcom is just throwing Sony under the bus to avoid admitting that is their own fault.

>>719956556 (OP)
All companies must kneel to Nintendo

>>719958649
can’t handle facts?

>>719956556 (OP)
>we were counting on console sales because of how shit we are at making games work well on pc
Yeah okay.

>>719958690
they are throwing it under the bus but they’re also correct

>>719958649
This is /v/, 90% of the threads are just shitposting.

>>719958781
worldslop lost

>>719958780
That makes this...worse? They are blaming something bad to distract people from their own bad.

>>719958893
>Why wouldn't they piss their investors off?

>>719958893
not my problem

>>719958945
They are already pissed off.

I hope whoever wrote Nata gets fired.

>>719959142
>I hope whoever wrote Nata gets executed*

>>719956556 (OP)
It's a smart strategy and will pay off bigly. Everyone knows Based Nintendo is the only company and game studio needs!

>>719959142
Why?
Fans of 4 and world enjoyed retarded characters like him, it's like you forgot guildmarm and handler already...

>>719958459
are you having a stroke or something? where in that post did I even mention Nintendo?

>>719959561
tendie derangement syndrome

>>719959546
Next to nobody enjoyed the handler, until Nata she was the most hated MH character, hell, there are mods specifically made to fix her ugly face.

Threadly reminder that Milds is the best selling game in the series and the rest of the games sucked. Everything Milds did wrong gens 1 - 5 already did first so the game is blameless.

>>719959546
>handler
Unironically enough only people in the west like her, in Japan they were comparing her to jar jar binks

>>719956556 (OP)
I bought the game on PC, can run it better than on PS5(which I have, collecting dust) and it still fucking sucks. Capcom suits should blame themselves.

>>719959789
also I’m trans btw and havin a blast!

>>719959789
World is the best selling game with 21 millions, Wilds WAS the fastest seller but it crashed down to a pathetic 477k in Its first quarter.

>>719959789
Except World and Rise have sold more and unlike Wilds they didn't release on so many platforms at launch nor they hit their face against a wall after 1 week

>>719959808
No shit, only westerns liked 4 and world too
Go check 5ch, they really don't hold back when it comes down to shitting on cinematic games

>>719959946
>havin a blast
Are you trying to summon the avatarfag that only takes pics in camps?

>>719956556 (OP)
I refuse to believe that Capcom didn't see the Switch 2 success coming, what fucking retard thought the switch 2 was gonna fail?

>>719960497
Failing and not expecting it being fastest selling console ever are different things, anon

>>719959546
>people who like Guildmarm like Nata and Handler
In which fucking universe are they even remotely on the same level? People liked Sophie because she's a tunnel visioned nerd who ultimately wants you come home safe. Nata makes himself the most important character in the room by always complaining about his problems and expects you to clean them up at the end of the day. Meanwhile Handler is just an idiot that barely does survey work unless it's food related as we learn from various NPCs in the game itself. Shit to put things even more in Sophie's favor, we're never putting our lives on the line just to save her pasty ass. She stays with the caravan because she knows her business isn't actually getting close to monsters, meanwhile Nata and Handler will gladly throw themselves into harms way.

>>719956657
Toaster owners aren't people

>>719960784
They are quirky annoying shits and you can't punch either of them

>>719956556 (OP)
>Strong Switch 2 Launch
uh no? that interview was done before the launch of the switch 2. it just took a long time to be translated and now people think he is talking about the switch 2...

Rise is SHIT, SHIT

>>719958259
Learn what failure means you retarded tendie

>>719961213
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Capcom-admits-Monster-Hunter-Wilds-fell-short-of-the-company-s-expectations.1093405.0.html
It's a failure for Capcom.

>>719961213
Yeah, it's Wilds. What are you going to do about it?

>>719960148
BLASTVATARFAG GET IN HERE

>>719961165
>Compiling SHIT

>>719956556 (OP)
>Sony funds the next MH
>Uses PS5 Pro as their target platform
>Supposed to be a system seller
>People can't afford it
>Existing system owners can't run it well
>Only the MH diehards pick it up
>No one else does
Yeah, it sounds like this is Sony's fault

>>719960970
>date: 2025年9月1日
>2025年6月に「Nintendo Switch 2」が税込み4万9980円という価格で発売され、我々が想像していた以上に反応が良かった。国ごとの物価の違いはあるにせよ、一般消費者のコスト意識の高さを再確認しました。
https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/18/01186/00001/

>>719961659
If Sony funded Wilds, it wouldn't have come to PC on release day.

>Capcom betraying Sony
It's like watching two retards fling shit at eachother

World was the beginning of the end
Rise was just a continuation
Wilds was the nail in the coffin

>>719957192
>Its the same team and director as wilds and world
It's not by the way. World and Wilds was made by an entirely new team with almost none of them working on MH prior.
The director was also Yuya Tokuda who only did planning on 4U not working on the base game at all.
>and has an obvious story bend
Most MH games do with the flagship being the one the peooke think is causing trouble but then it turns out the big bad is an elder dragon, actually come to think of it 4 is kind of unique in that regard since the flagship and the elder dragon are actually the same monster just at different stages of life rather than say Lagi and Cedeus
The fated four and Nakarkos
Magnamalo and Narwa and so on.
>with a giant tutorial cutscene battle
That's just World. Dahren is the first monster you fight on your way in but it's not a tutorial in the same vein.
>and shifting locale.
Have you even played 4?

>>719962740
Visually, Rise has nothing to do with World and Wilds.

>>719962740
Interesting how everyone who loved monster hunter before 4, considers rise a return to classic. Including capcom itself
While this shithole for some reason gets buttdevastated by it.
Really reminds me of wow classic, and how all retards who never even played vanilla claimed to know why it was so great

>>719962953
>>719962979
Tbf if it wasn't for the wirebugs I think it would have been a solid entry to the series.

>>719962979
>While this shithole for some reason gets buttdevastated by it.
Console wars reasons.

>>719962953
It doesn't share much Na4ratively either.
And only a few gameplay elements came from world too.

>>719962979
No one considers Rise a return to classic MH other than shitposters who want to set up their own shitposting.
In reality people see it as the step forwards in the series that World should have been but wasn't.

>>719963143
I think the grind was good. It wasn't too easy like Wilds but not to grindy either. It felt just right.

Explaining why Wilds is underperforming would require all of management to admit that the game was fundementally misguided, which would never happen

>>719963327
The nepo baby would never admit all his decisions were wrong.

>>719963029
Yeah, the wiregbugs are just too much.

I dislike how palamutes were treated and how the level design relies so much on them, Wilds took lesson of that and took it to the extreme.

>>719963143
>No one considers Rise a return to classic MH other than shitposters who want to set up their own shitposting.
Irony
Especially if you remember existense of shitpsoter, who got very upset about everyone calling rise a classic, and spammed webms like it proves anything...
Since game release....
For almost 4 years now...
Really makes you think...

>>719963591
>I dislike how palamutes were treated and how the level design relies so much on them
You never played rise
Unlike cinematic games, like 4, world and wilds, rise was designed from the ground with people not using dogs or wirebugs in mind, instead of forcing feature on player

>>719963265
>It wasn't too easy like Wilds but not to grindy either. It felt just right.
after Investigation rank 150 it becomes a shitty grindfest with overinflated HP monsters.

>>719963705
>You never played rise
this is just on PC alone, I have on Switch like twice the time.

I played with my cats, traversing the maps on Rise without Palamute is OBJECTIVELY a worse experience

>>719963910
>is OBJECTIVELY a worse experience
It's not

Pic related is the basic plot summary of MHS3, would have worked in a main6game?

>>719964060
Not anime enough for mainline game

>>719963910
Third worlder not lie challenge: impossible

>>719963631
I don't think you understand what irony means. After all you just referred to the anon I was referring to who set up his own shitposting by calling the game classic and spamming webms.

>>719956556 (OP)
Doesn't really make sense. The logical conclusion to his argument is that people would buy a 3-400 dollar ps5 exclusively for wilds, but because the ps5 is too expensive, they didn't. This also ignores that PC exists
>PC users don't buy games
Neither do ps5 users apparantly

>>719963705
>like 4
You're not going to group up 4 with World and Wilds. Everyone knows that they aren't remotely similar games.

>>719961830
>取材は2025年5月下旬
???

>>719960837
>Toaster owners aren't people
this shit game doesn't even run at stable 60 fps on rtx5000+ gpus
fuck off cumzoomer

>>719963143
>In reality people see it as the step forwards in the series that World should have been but wasn't
That's exactly how I felt in regard to Rise, but if anything it made me realize that I care more for the B team games than A team's in general. I strated with Tri back when it released, but it wasn't until I played Freedom Unite that following year that I'd get engrossed into the series. Freedom Unite and Portable 3rd are we kept me playing throughout college and Rise follows a similar philosophy of don't waste the player's time and give them lots to do.
>but Rise was unfinished
Yes. I know. And I still never ran out of shit to do between raising pets, doing subquests, making gear, going out of my way to make specific gear, and making good on the content that did eventually show up in the months following the game's release. Please I had friends to hunt with which extended my playtime even further. Rise is an all around good time and Sunbreak made it better. There's a reason I have three files on it while World and Wilds are one and dones, never going back to them.

>>719964316
>cinematic
>focus on human characters instead of monsters
>walking segments
>can't do real multiplayer without sitting through boring chosen one story with walking segments
>slowed down monsters for more cinematic experience
>designed around player spamming new feature called mounting
>SA is shit, just like in world and wilds(well, it wilds it can be fun, sometimes, just disappointing after rise)
Sounds pretty similar

>>719964150
What? Mainline right now is extremely anti-anime.

>>719964724
>>cinematic
It's not even remotely close to cinematic, the story itself was just the same as every other MH game in the sense it was just a fledgling hunter dealing with bigger threats and every cutscene could be skipped
>>focus on human characters instead of monsters
That's not a thing in 4. Human characters didn't have any much importance in 4. It as arguably less than previous games since you were in a caravan going from place to place.
Also it's a game about chasing Gore.
>>walking segments
Didn't exist in 4.
>>can't do real multiplayer without sitting through boring chosen one story with walking segments
Also didn't exist in 4.
>>slowed down monsters for more cinematic experience
Also didn't exist in 4
>>designed around player spamming new feature called mounting
Again, didn't exist in 4 but admittedly it was broken.
>>SA is shit, just like in world and wilds(well, it wilds it can be fun, sometimes, just disappointing after rise)
What does that have to do with anything?

You really haven't played 4 have you.

Wilds is so fucking boring to look at on top of the forced cinematic shit and making multiplayer a pain in the ass

It's actually easier to emulate multiplayer on Tri now than to get a room with your friends working on Wilds

>>719965323
That's 3U, dumbass.

>>719956657
I do not understand Capcoms refusal to properly optimize their games, I get Japs can’t into computers but why is this such a lost art?
>inb4 Indians
Yes outsourcing to 40IQ subhumans was a terrible idea but if you’re gonna let them shit on your bed you should at the very least change the sheets

>>719965236
>lying on the internet, including even saying that mounting never existed in 4 and all maps weren't designed with you spamming it
Holy shit, kiddies who started with 4 hit the new low

>>719956556 (OP)
They learned the amerian way of doing things

>>719963029
>>719963591
Please tell me there's a reason for disliking wirebugs that's not 'wirefalling' or 'they're too anime'. From a gameplay standpoint they get you from point A to point B in less time after everybody complained about how bad of a corridor fest World was and how long it took to reach places. We're stuck with seamless maps from now on so unless you want to rely solely on camp fast travel forever, or for some reason you actually enjoyed climbing Coral Highlands every fucking time Kirin went to the very top, having an alternate means of map traversal should be seen as a good thing. Same goes for the dogs.

>I dislike how palamutes were treated and how the level design relies so much on them
How? Dogs can climbs walls but so can you. Wirebugs allow you take shortcuts over level geometry so don't have to fully rely on the dogs. There's even giant wirebugs that cross whole sections of map so you wouldn't always need to have dogs. The game is very traversable without dogs. How bad are you?

>>719956556 (OP)
Go woke go broke
Should have put the interest of your country's playerbase first rather then america's

>>719956556 (OP)
So Capcom decided to throw Sony under the bus for their own failure? Based if true. Who would've thought Capcom would be the one to stab Sony in the back.

>>719965635
>Et tu, Capcom?

>>719965525
>From a gameplay standpoint they get you from point A to point B in less time after everybody complained about how bad of a corridor fest World was
This was a problem World created, the "solution" should have been to simply undo it.
>We're stuck with seamless maps from now on
False premise, they can go back to segmented maps at any time, nobody is forcing them to do this "seamless" meme except themselves. They keep fucking it up and their "solutions" only make the overall game even worse.

PS5 is only $50 more than the Switch 2, and actually the exact same price as the switch 2 if you bought the digital one before the price increase when wilds was out, capcom is fucking retarded

Don't forget when Shitcom was about to go Bankrupt S o y n y funded SF5 for them.

>>719965942
So that's why it's the worst one.

>>719966052
Yeah. They hired GG players to design the combat and systems, outsourced DIMPS to build the game like 4 and Sony funded the entire operation while Capcom used FM system to try and make money off of the few fans along with a rootkit.

>>719965436
>including even saying that mounting never existed in 4
Nigga that's a completely different sentence to what he said.
Imagine making a post calling someone out for lying while blatantly lying.

>>719965436
>including even saying that mounting never existed in 4
Oh, you're an ESL huh?
>didn't exist in 4 but admittedly it was broken.
Take a read of this and tell me, if I said it didn't exist in 4 how could it also be broken in 4?

>>719965919
yeah i'm wondering if he's talking about the japan-only switch 2 which is cheaper, cause only a retard wouldn't be able to see that they are around the same price outside of japan

>>719966534
He is but he also points out that the PS5 being a barrier "is global".

>Try to chase the brown audience
>lose money
every time

>>719965919
>>719966534
>>719966708
Here's the thing you aren't getting it's nit just $50, you have things like the sub price bumping it up to a difference of 90 including NSO's price. And now it's going to get a price increase due to the tariffs while the US while the Switch 2 isn't so that difference is already hitting 100+

>>719956556 (OP)
I don't think it's even a deliberite portrayal, I think they're so out of touch with reality they can't understand what went wrong and all the copes they are spreading are copes they are coping to themselves with as well

if they are just deliberately throwing Sony under the bus it's a bit scummy but Sony deserve it

>>719966968
the $50 was taking into account the current increase, $449 for switch 2 and $499 for the digital PS5, where it was $449 for both consoles before, so it was only the PS Plus price difference, and to that I say don't be a retard and pay monthly if it was just for this game

>>719967215
>for the digital PS5,
Anon, no one is buying the digital version of the PS5 so don't even bother taking that into account.

>>719966286
>>719966409
>Nigga that's a completely different sentence to what he said.
>>designed around player spamming new feature called mounting
>>Again, didn't exist in 4
Hmm
I smell a weird cope after 4kid was caught lying about his favorite game again
>bbbbut he meant it existed but in abstract way
That's not how the English language works. You can't plainly claim that something never existed and then just cope by saying you meant otherwise.

>>719965828
You still haven't explained how or why their solutions make for a worse experience. So here's a better question, why do they hamper YOUR experience specficially?

>>719965942
>everybody played SF4 on XBox because it loaded faster and was optimized better compared to PS3
>with SF5 being largely PS4 exclusive it meant every tournament had to switch over to some overheating black boxes and games took even longer to load
>this carried onto SF6 and PS5's needing to cool down at tournament venues
I want this curse to end already.

>>719967603
Anon, don't double down because there was nothing abstract about that post.
You made the claim that the game was focused on mounting and the other anon said it wasn't but was broken.
You read it wrong and you need to accept that you're wrong here.

>>719956556 (OP)
Anything to admit that they simply made a bad game and won't learn anything from it for the DLC.

>>719967815
I hope they rush out the 2077/WildHunt/whatever generic mainstream title they come up with tripling down on microtransactions and adding more story.

>>719967774
If it wasn't focused on mounting, then why all maps were full of jump points and ledges?
There were some arenas where you couldn't even keep attacking monster without auto mounting him, like 2 in ancestral steppe
Stop with your weird cope, already.
Everyone who played 4 would never lie about it not having unskippable cutscenes, fuck you couldn't even skip fatalis one in multiplayer and was forced to watch it every single time

>>719967659
Don't forget the PS5s melting the USB ports and potentially ruining sticks.

>>719967659
>You still haven't explained how or why their solutions make for a worse experience. So here's a better question, why do they hamper YOUR experience specficially?

Mounts / Palamutes are solving an artificial problem they created themselves, so they are already extraneous and unnecessary to start with.
They provide a get out of jail free mechanic, in ADDITION to all the other ones added recently like mounting, wirebugs, crutch claw, focus mode, etc, making the game itself less punishing
>uhhh but just gimp yourself and don't use it!
Then why would I buy the new game to NOT use half of its features? Capcom should care that I and other previous customers now have no reason to pay them for a new game instead of sticking with the old ones

>spend 6 years developing a new Monster Hunter game
>explicitly make the game in such a way that it has no appeal to the core fanbase in numerous ways, biggest being a total upheaval of the core combat
>put all your development time into a stupid story no one cares about with a central being an ugly pajeet boy
>spend your development time making a "weather" system that accomplishes nothing but making the maps look like utter dogshit 2/3rds of the time
>make the game so pathetically easy even game journos have to comment on how easy the game is as they played up to pre TU1 endgame
>make it run like utter shit abd promise to fix it by December

Wow who could have seen this game was going to lose its legs in less than 3 months after release. The only good thing about Wilds is that it's RE Engine so there's good goon mods with innate 10/10 breast physics.

>>719967603
>That's not how the English language works.
You're saying this as someone who read a perfectly fine sentence wrong. >>719968030
>If it wasn't focused on mounting, then why all maps were full of jump points and ledges
Because they introduced verticality that doesn't mean that the game was all about mounting specifically like it was in World which not only buffed mounting significantly but also had a new form of mounting with the clutch claw mechanic which was necessary to use to get average times because they buffed monsters HP to justify the tenderize mechanic which is tied to it.

>There were some arenas where you couldn't even keep attacking monster without auto mounting him, like 2 in ancestral steppe
Which is funny because that's not a thing in 4U but it is in World because attacking while sliding would make any attack an Aerial attack which of course is how you trigger mounts. That has also been a pain in the side for hammer users since we like to move and charge and releasing that charge during a slide turns it into an aerial attack too.

That's designing the game around mounting. 4 adding ledges just made it accessible to all weapon types rather than just insect glaive.

>Everyone who played 4 would never lie about it
So you admit you haven't played 4 since you've been caught out lying about a multitude of things now.

>>719968030
>then why all maps were full of jump points and ledges?
Because how else are other weapons going to use it? Aerial didn't exist until Gens.

>>719968334
>>explicitly make the game in such a way that it has no appeal to the core fanbase
There was fanbase for such game since 4...
Also, their current developing cycle with 4 years per game doesn't allow core fanbase to form in the first place because kids grow up and casuals move on, and these are the people who always were main audience of real mh games.
They literally have no choice but continue with 4 style games, with focus on pandering incels who want to feel super special and hate playing with others

>he got so buttdevastated after being caught lying, that he samefags his every single post now
Wow, that's just sad.
Not as sad as him stating that mounting never existed in 4 and then backpedaling, but still pretty sad

>>719968969
Anon, grow up.
You couldn't even argue any of the other points which is why you had to focus on something you could strawman.

>>719962478
Maybe they didn't pay enough or expected PC to be less relevant as world sold on PS4 plenty cause all the advertisement was done via Sony.

>>719969190
>You couldn't even argue any of the other points
You just straight up lying, doesn't count as making up a point
>cutscenes
Even if you never played multiplayer(because everyone who played would know about unskippable shit, especially after 3u made dire miralis shitting up fireballs skippable) there still village where most cutscenes both in engine ones and cg ones are unskippable
You literally can start new game and have 3 unskippable cutscenes in row before you even reach the city
>saying that monsters being slowed down doesn't exist in 4
Fucking zinogre being disgrace on par with ib one, as one of such examples. Again, everyone who played 4 and was here for discussions would know about it. So question is why would you even lie
You literally fucking lie about everything, for no reason at all

>6+ years of dev time for 28 monsters at launch
>post-launch we get 1 monster and 1 AT every 3 months
>even without EDs in the game they keep buffing the same few monsters over and over and ignore the remaining 80% of the roster

They could have fixed everything else and the game would still drop dead. They need to fucking realize that these games require a certain amount of monsters to function well. It's pointless to go uber autism on small details if that makes every monster take 8 months to produce.

Just as Capcom is trying to swift the blame to Sony, Wilds fanboys are trying to use 4 as a spacegoat so people gets distracted from making fun of Wilds

>>719957253
There's, like, five of them across the entirety of LR and HR, and the story is the pretense for your becoming a hunter and traveling with the Caravan

>>719969668
>You just straight up lying
If I were you would have actually proven it was. Instead you just screamed into the ether.
>because everyone who played would know about unskippable shit, especially after 3u made dire miralis shitting up fireballs skippable
We're talking about 4, stay on topic. That also had a skip button for monster intros and CG cutscenes on the touchscreen which you could use for multiplayer. This is a screenshot from a YouTube video with a very small touchscreen you can see the skip button right down there.
>there still village where most cutscenes both in engine ones and cg ones are unskippable
Every game has mandatory dialogue but much like 1 to Gens and Rise they were incredibly short.
>You literally can start new game and have 3 unskippable cutscenes in row before you even reach the city
Which only describes world since you have several cutscenes and a walk and talk before you reach astera.
>Fucking zinogre being disgrace on par with ib one, as one of such examples.
Anon, iceborne Zinogre is the slowest iteration of Zinogre to date.
>Again, everyone who played 4 and was here for discussions would know about it.
Which is just you admitting you didn't play it, it's obvious too given you haven't gone into specifics about 4 at all. You'll probably just do a Google crash course now that I've mentioned it but that'll just make it even more obvious since I've already pointed it out.

>>719956556 (OP)
https://youtu.be/wUwitjMhpac?si=l1n2qttV0zQp-Oxt
I think someone is seething.

>>719970421
>he's resorted to just posting the link because no one was watching his video

>>719970421
I may be wrong but I believe promoting your own channel is against the rules

>>719970421
>A guy so retarded even twitterfags think he's retarded

>>719970421
NintenDeen don't miss!

>>719970249
>There's, like, five of them across the entirety of LR and HR
4 + 4u had more hours of cutscenes than base rise, people compared it at release. Also let's not forget "unskippable" cutscenes
Dunno why you again feel need to lie about obvious things
>>719970352
>how dare you mention other game to explain why everyone was aware about 4 having unskipapble shit
>also, world
Ironic
> That also had a skip button for monster intros and CG cutscenes on the touchscreen which you could use for multiplayer.
If you played alone, in the dark room, without friends
Holy shit, it's like you never even played 4...
>4 zinogre wasn't slowed down compared to real ones, because ib one exist. ALSO DO NOT DARE MENTION OTHER GAMES AND COMPARE WITH ZINOGRE FROM 3RD GENERATIONS EVEN ALREADY SLOWED DOWN ONE FROM 3U WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 4
Hmm...
>t's obvious too given you haven't gone into specifics about 4 at all
Ironic

>>719970421
The only Nintendo youtuber I watch.

>>719970752
Hours of cutscenes?

>>719956556 (OP)
>How do you feel about corpos being corpos?
Couldn't be more indifferent
Gaming has been in a steep decline since gen 7, no AAA failures surprise me, regardless of developer or system

>>719970752
>Ironic
How is that ironic? You've just made something up and pretended you were correct.
>If you played alone, in the dark room, without friends
That image is of the Dalamadur cutscene.
It's a hub only boss.
The hub the multiplayer section.
You are getting everything single detail about this game wrong.
>4 zinogre wasn't slowed down compared to real ones, because ib one exist
You're the one who compared it to Iceborne acting like it was better.

Are you just trying to gaslight yourself or something?

>>719971056
>acting like it was better.
>on par with
Everyone, this is the anon who got buttdevastasted after his obvious lies about mounting not existing in 4 was pointed out
>It's a hub only boss.
>You are getting everything single detail about this game wrong.
Are you pretending?
You are aware that you can do hub quests with other people, right?
You played monster hunter 4, right?

But, considering you posted emulator picture, I doubt
Also, you can watch worm cutscene from village quests too, just saying

>>719970528
4chan allows embedded YouTube links for a reason.
Now you might want to beg the owner to ban anything that isn't pro Nintendo.

>>719961213
Are the tendies in the room with us right now?

Ok, seriously, what is going on? Where this sudden war against 4 came from? I remember world vs rise consoles wars, pre Wilds release calling it "World 2" and how was gonna be the second coming of Christ and then wilds fanboys doing massive damage control when all the world makes fun of them, but shitposting against 4? This started yesterday.

>>719968247
>in an earlier post I specifically say what's wrong with wirebugs that ISN'T connected to wirefall
>can't help but bring up wirefall anyway
It's like you people can't help yourselves. We already have delayed wake up in the games now for years. That alone already gets rid of any danger you're potentially in since you can wait it out for one or two attacks before moving and repositioning yourself. And it's not like Wirefalling is consequence free either when you can very well get hit trying to do it so you've lost even more health and would've been better off just laying on the ground. Don't act like it's a turn your brain off mechanic when it's not.

>in ADDITION to all the other ones added recently like mounting, wirebugs, crutch claw, focus mode, etc, making the game itself less punishing
As compared to what? Freedom Unite's braindead AI that's easy to bait into basic bitch patterns? The only mechanic you brought up that has no downsides to it is Focus Mode because it was literally designed to give hunters an extra edge. Everything else has clear risk and reward to doing it and at most you can argue that certain things definitely give players too much. I can agree with that sentiment because it makes the gameplay too formulaic and predictable. Wirebugs in general are probably the more balanced gimmick they've done because you can outright miss attacks, get hit while doing attacks, take a hit while trying to wirefall out of danger which would put you in more danger, and they can't be spammed constantly thanks to cooldown.

>>719965386
It's the MHWilds team that refuse to optimize stuff for shit especially when you make a fucking openworld game when the engine is not fucking suited for that in mind.
Wilds is done decently even if it was on Switch but I don't think I have read people complaining about that game's performance, or RE4make

>>719956556 (OP)
>ps5 is too expensive for people to buy our shit game
>hmm the switch 2 has 6 million users & may as well cost just as much. Better make a note of that
These people are retarded.

>>719971997
On your second paragraph, don't you mean "Rise"?

>>719957449
>Risembryo trying to fit in
Adorable

>>719961278
Failure implies something different from what your article does.

>>719971601
>pretending that no one ever took a dump on 4 before wilds release to force your narrative
>after being caught lying about 4
How sad
>>719965386
>I do not understand Capcoms refusal to properly optimize their games, I get Japs can’t into computers but why is this such a lost art?
Want a honest answer?
You don't understand because you are fucking retarded
Since neptunia and atelier games proved more than decade ago, pcfags don't fucking care if game is optimized or not, they will bitch but buy it anyway.
There literally no reason to optimize games for pc.
FROM literally releases games that are unplayable on keyboard+mouse, and after years we already have generation that claim that it's perfectly fine and you just need to buy gamepad.
Wilds being shitty optimized isn't reason why people stopped buying it. World literally melted cpu's because of japanese shitty codding on release, and still sold fine

>>719972308
>Since neptunia and atelier games proved more than decade ago, pcfags don't fucking care if game is optimized or not, they will bitch but buy it anyway.
Well consider the PC sales completely cratered after release I doubt that's the case anymore

>>719972227
Yeah, I had a brainfart typing the post.
The problem itself remain the idea of doing it openworld in the first place, even Dragons's Dogma 2 suffer from it but the team, unlike the Wilds's one, fully admitted but that they botched it and activtely tried to fix it, I dunno how's the current state of the game is but it's probably more playlable now than a year ago

I'm buying another million PS2s as we speak.

>>719972284
Corpos almost always use "sweet words" to confuse the share holders when they have bad news, they will never use the actual word "failure" but it's obvious it is that.

>>719972520
What has that to do with anything in this thread?

>>719956556 (OP)
>Over 6 million sales were from PC alone
>It's somehow Sony's fault because it's expensive and not because majority of PC players can't play the game
Maybe if they'd hurry up and fix the performance, the numbers would go up again. But they've ignored PC entirely, despite making the bulk of the sales and now the bad worth of mouth has killed any momentum.
This of course is not counting obvious flaws with the game in general:
>Your hunter has more skills now in HR than you would in Master Rank for Iceborne
>Focus Mode allowing you to never miss, making sure your DPS uptime is 100%, wounds causing monsters to fall down for 10 seconds, allowing tons of free damage
>Dogshit story with unlikable characters (especially Nata) and even more forced walkie-talkie sections than World.
I hope Portable Team is watching very carefully of what to do and not do and I hope they fucking humble the main team. There needs to be a massive overhaul and I'm sorry, but Tokuda needs to go or at least get a tard wrangler to keep him in check.

>>719965942
Never happened

>>719971406
>You are aware that you can do hub quests with other people, right?
Anon, he literally just said it was skippable in multiplayer. Why are you being retarded on purpose?

>>719973042
I hope the next portable game is soon
Playing rise for the first time and its so much better than world

>>719973509
Just ignore the worldbabby. He's just trying to drag 4 into the gutter because people prefer it.

>>719973409
Quite literally and objectively did

>>719971406
>Also, you can watch worm cutscene from village quests too, just saying
Dalamadur isn't available in the Caravan hunt list you fucking moron.

>>719957063
>muh mario
Snoys lost.

>>719972241
Riseperborean**

>>719972114
It's significantly cheaper in Japan, MH has always been massive in Japan but Wilds is floundering over there.

>consolidate pic related into a standalone title and release on switch and switch 2
There, I saved Monster Hunter.

>but-
Shush

So that's why "they" are so mad recently?

>>719976075
Yes.

Is it a betrayal if he's right on at least that point?
All ps5 exclusives have been consistently flopping, specially square's games.

>>719956556 (OP)
I think of the phase, "Honor among thieves"

>portbegging frontier
looooool do tendies really?

>>719975832
They don't want to touch the MH2's engine anymore.

>>719972308
Capcoms newest releases have been selling less and less on Steam ever since everyone caught on they run like hot ass even on $8000 PCs

Wilds failing and Capcom suffering is divine punishment for ruining RE4.

>>719965919
>>PS5 is only $50 more than the Switch 2, and actually the exact same price as the switch 2 if you bought the digital one before the price increase when wilds was out, capcom is fucking retarded
lad the PS5 is actually that expensive in Japan
>Standard PlayStation 5 console - ¥79,980
>Digital edition PS5 - ¥72,980
>PS5 Pro - ¥119,980
>DualSense controller - between ¥11,480 to ¥11,980
and then you have the highest tier of the Playstation Plus subscription costing 16k yen / year
meanwhile the Switch 2 costs ¥49,980
so yeah no wonder why barely anyone bother with the Playstation brand

>>719956556 (OP)
I like it, it means the Sony's influence, like Microsoft's, is dead.

>>719979648
Microsoft had any influence to begin with?

>>719980520
7th gen

I think its more of Wild is dogshit than anything console relate
even if its run buttery smooth on a toaster its still a pretty mid game

So is the shitty performance what took Wilds down? It double down in everything what World did and that game was a massive success, the fact Wilds became the WiiU to World's Wii s fucking bizarre.

>>719982206
Worldfags are the new veterans, and are complaining about Wilds what veterans were complaining about in World.

>>719962953
insane tendie cope
Rise has most of the flaws of World plus some of its own, which have in part been carried over to Wilds
That said, it feels more like classic MH in terms of structure and area design

>>719982616
Rise doesn't have massive focus in story, an annoying and useless spotlight stealer bitch or an ugly brown and dull color palette.

>>719970752
>4 + 4u had more hours of cutscenes than base rise, people compared it at release.

What? Thats absolutely not true

>>719982817
Rise isn't as colorful as people seem to imagine/remember.

>>719973042
>Your hunter has more skills now in HR than you would in Master Rank for Iceborne
Comparisons like this are pointless, monsters in Wilds also have way more raw health values to account for how much more damage the hunters do.

>>719962935
>World and Wilds was made by an entirely new team with almost none of them working on MH prior.
So when World was a success this new team became as arrogant as Pirate Software and now they are suffering they very own "that livestream of WoW" moment with Wilds?

>>719983703
Which effectively turn them into lame damage sponges as focus mode allows you to stunt lock them forever.

>>719956556 (OP)
dont the switch 2 and ps5 cost the same?

>>719983770
The low level shitty monsters with end game weapons yeah. The 8* and 9* monsters have wound resistance

>>719983815
MH is a multiplayer game so if you want to play the true experience you need an online subscription, the switch one is 20 dollars while the PS one is 100 dollars this means not matter where im the world you are, the PS5 will forever 80 dollars more expensive than the switch 2.

>>719978481
I hope Onimusha 3 flops hard for censoring part 2's pc port.

>>719983815
>dont the switch 2 and ps5 cost the same?
no, read >>719978887
Capcom is especially complaining how the PS5 is far too expensive for their home country

>>719983703
yes but it's clearly going to become an issue with the inevitable G Rank
Weapons already mostly have a 3-2-1 slot allotment (3-3-3 for Artian) so where do you go from here? In Sunbreak I had like three pages of skills thanks to Qurio and charm rolling. So are they just going to add level 4 slots for weapons and armor now? 5?
the issue with this ersatz G rank we have now is that it's a poor indicator of what bullshit they're going to pull in G rank because they panic course corrected and can't go back

>>719956556 (OP)
How is Sony at fault for their shit PC port?

>>719985404
Exactly, Capcom is throwing them under the bus.

>>719984865
>so where do you go from here?
More HP, faster monsters that do more damage? wtf are you expecting? I swear half the crying about modern monhun is just people upset because they can’t slap on handicraft+1 and play Hammer off a flowchart

>>719985404
They were counting on PS5 sales to make up for cutting corners on the PC version. Sony probably promised them that.

where does it go from here? Ichinose's game is already being worked on, but for the iteration after do you think capcom will go back to roots and beg for the core fans to come back or will they double down? They seem to be in panic mode blaming everyone except themselves so i can see them panic rereleasing the older games on pc and modern consoles

>>719986392
They will triple down before losing a record amount of money and Capcom has to go through a "restructuring" with some Indian replacing the CEO and turning their entire catalog into gachaslop

>>719967603
>>719968030
I’m not even joking, please consider therapy and take a break from posting on 4chan for a while

>>719971601
Its literally just a mentally ill samefag who cannot stand that people like a game he dislikes. He’s been at it for years.

>>719985404
Sony wants their ports to be the best so they make sure every other port in comparison is shit. The PC port should be better than the PlayStation and Xbox ports out of the gate.

>>719986392
Capcom has become extremely arrogant after years of successes, they will go pirate software asshole.

>>719986392
Drop the AAA, go back to AA, start optimizing games for Switch 2 and Steam Deck.

>>719986392
Capcom has been humiliated but not extremely damage money wise, It would take going close to bankruptcy for them to change their ways.

at the end of the day the problems with wilds can be summed up as
>4 started the symptoms
>world bad but passable
>rise is a more polished less shit version of world
>wilds straight up feels like crapcom asked a westoid studio to make a MH game from scratch
feels like the DmC moment for MH

>>719965919
The price is very deceptive, you have to buy the disk drive and vertical stand separately even on the base version (now that they discontinued the "fat" and only the diskless slim exists in japan).

>>719988559
They have fully become a westoid company since the start of the PiS5 era.
Not even literal bankruptcy is going to change their ways now.

>>719986585
>and turning their entire catalog into gachaslop
whos gonna tell him?

>>719988830
By your logic that means MHS3 is the last "anime" thing capcom currently has coming soon.

>>719990481
that one also doesn't inspire much confidence when it looks and feels like a westoid sitcom

>>719990986
Ok anon, now you are just being extremely jaded.