Thread 719971491

so how does this thing work? the super speed seems borderline flash tier

>>719971491 (OP)
Nah, the Flash is one of the most OP things ever conceived. He can vibrate through solid steel walls and other insane things.

>>719971491 (OP)
It just werks

>>719971491 (OP)
Its bullshit. To move that fast your body has to be build for it. A single spine won't achieve that.

why they make the game and anime sandy look so different, actually im not sure how the in game thumbnails of the sandevistan are supposed to work/slot into you. i guess the anime makes it obvious its like a metal spine on top of yours but how does pic rel "work" supposedly like what goes where

>>719971491 (OP)
it's just anime nonsense, it's not even consistent within the anime and actual sandevistan doesn't give super speed

>>719971567
>He can vibrate through solid steel walls
You bring up vibrating his molecules and not shit like time travelling or outrunning Death?
Speed Force is bullshit.

>>719971491 (OP)
They have hovercraft and gravity manipulation technology, so I assume the sandevistan manipulates gravitons to generate a near field to lower the user's mass, causing temporal acceleration relative to the rest of the universe.

>>719971883
He actually wrecks himself because his body could barely handle it.

>>719972727
No, I meant by what mean could he move that fast? Human body can't move that fast, you cant. A single spine might give you super fast reaction, boost your mind really quick, but the problem is the body can't follow.

>>719972915
see
>>719972714

>>719971491 (OP)
>so how does this thing work?
Its an overlay on your nerve fibers and spinal cord that transmit sensory information to and from your brain multiple times faster than normal nerves do

in essence its like having ultra instinct and for the user it makes it seem as though time slows down because they are able to tell their body to react faster than an unaugmented human ever could

it can also overload the brain and nervous system causing horrific side effects or psychosis, or can cause the user to overexert themselves and tear their muscles / break their own limbs instantly if they don't use it carefully

>>719972714
That sounds super high tech. With techs like that they could rule the galaxy, instead they stuck there on a shit hole of a planet.

isnt the entire cast of the anime equal to about random sidequest mooks you see in the game?

>>719973010
Yeah, quantum gravity manipulation enters into Theory of Everything ultratech. More than that, the technology has clearly been miniaturised to the point of being man portable and energy efficient, it's a little ridiculous to include shit that can alter cosmological constants.

>>719973010
its not that high tech, its just nerve replacement and brain interface

sandivistan is meant to be paired with augmented limbs and muscles because otherwise a normal human would just tear themselves apart

I forget what his name is but the MC of the show 'chromes out' because thats the only way to keep using a sandivistan, because you destroy your normal body/muscles

>>719973158
you're reading way too much into it, the 'time stop' portrayed in the tv show is just artistic elements, like the 'breathing techniques' in demon slayer are also not actually happening and its just humans swinging swords around

sandi makes it feel like for the user that time is slowed down because their enhanced nerves and brain tissue processes sensory information more quickly

its a stupid setting where the storytelling is reliant of some people having magic brains that are uniquely capable to use the components because if everyone could then some corporation would have hundreds of soldiers using invincible augmentations moving at speed of light to destroy their opponents

>>719971883
I assume the cybernetics being on the spine lets it feed directly into your own systems subdermally

>>719971491 (OP)
It’s cyberpunk woo woo magical bullshit.

>>719972714
1) Gravity tech is anime exclusive, I believe.
2) That was cutting edge secret Arasaka tech. A Sandevistan just overloads your body.

>>719973158
Maybe big tech wants to continue being the big dog in it's corner, instead of letting the goys go free or attracting a biggest threat.

>>719972376
This looks like the part that connects to the brain. I'm guessing that part is the actual Sandevistan tech, and the rest is just some requisite "cyber spine" implant.

>>719971491 (OP)
Why the fuck did he keep kitting out his body with chrome?
He looked so fucking gay at the end of the show
>muh Maine father figure
No.

>>719972376
It looks like a buttplug, so it goes up your ass.

>>719973925
To keep up with the burden Sandy put on his body.

>>719973925
>Why the fuck did he keep kitting out his body with chrome?
Its an addiction, Edgerunners are Edgerunning for the thrill and high they get while doing it, the more chrome the higher you can get

>>719973925
Because he's, "built different"

Also because he kept trying to live up to everyone's high expectations of him instead of living for himself, but mostly the first thing.

>>719973925
he had eyes but could not see mt. tai

>>719973925
He literally thought he was built different, nobody understands that cyberpsychosis is just caused by a detachment from the human condition, not even because of some intrinsic property of the cybernetics, but because cyborgs end up isolated from other people. It's why maintaining relationships keeps them grounded. The very second Lucy began pulling away, he started losing it.

>>719971883
I think its mostly a reaction speed neural thing, not just reinforcement.

>>719971491 (OP)
>Cyberpunk
The real ultra rich and upper classes will never let plebeians own artificial limbs that can break skulls or have faster reaction times.

>>719974948
>>719975143
He was indeed "buillt different" as in he had a high tolerance for implants
But "high" isn't "infinite" and he hit his limit

>>719971491 (OP)
The spine acts as additional processing power to overclock your brain and create a time dilation effect. Cybernetic joints throughout your body allow your body to keep up with your accelerated mind by pushing the tech to the limits of what it can handle.

But yeah, the speed is over exaggerated. Especially in the anime.

>>719973925
Two of his crews' heaviest hitters died on the same night. As the new leader, his options were to either chrome himself up or start accepting less risky gigs with shittier payouts.

>>719973010
That's kind of the point of the setting: corpos are using the technology that could elevate society to a post-scarcity level for petty feudal wars.

>>719971491 (OP)
In the original setting Sandevistans don't work the way they do in the Game or Anime. They're supposed to just be Reflex Augmentations to help you React quickly when a fight starts. It'd have the bullet time effect but you wouldn't be able to ignore the slowdown yourself. It's essentially a tool for ambushing other augmented individuals with gear like Kereznikov. Giving you that little bit of extra oomph during a short time frame compared to slightly slower but permanently activated reflex boosters.

Now if you augmented other limbs to give you more speed and motor control, and combined that with a Sandie it makes sense, but outside of Cyberpunk 2077 it's not supposed to be the Sandie itself that gives you the Super Speed.

>>719975474
It's not a "tolerance" to the implants, that's just the soulless corpos assumption because they're nihilists concerning the human condition. People with high empathy hold out against cyberpsychosis because they don't feel isolated despite the implants. On the other side of that coin, you have Adam Smasher, who isn't a cyberpsycho because he's already a conventional psycho. Human connection never meant anything to him, so it doesn't matter how much of his flesh gets replaced.

For example, David wasn't losing it because of the suit installation, he was losing it because he was at risk of losing Lucy, he snapped out of it instantly when he got her back.

>>719971491 (OP)
Yeah, it's pretty stupid, a lot of the stuff in the Cuberpunk board game tabletop universe is cringe stuff that only a nerdy teen would think is cool.

>>719973925
Because PTSD and Survivors guilt.

They specifically point out that Maine's chrome is a bad fit for him, but he uses it anyway because he can't bear not to.

>>719972714
You wish that were the case, in reality it just makes you think faster, it's a neural and nerve augment.

>>719971491 (OP)
Well first off the portrayal in the Anime is an exaggeration the real ones aren't quite that op. Second the way it works is it replaces the slow(relative to the speed of light) bioelectric signals your neural system usually uses with near lightspeed signals. In addition to the sandy you would need eyes that can keep up and for greater effect cyberlimbs. Timeskip David has all of this and more, and even pre time skip has at least basic cybereyes.

>>719973008
>overexert themselves and tear their muscles / break their own limbs instantly if they don't use it carefully
This is why you invest in empathy and install cyberlimbs.

>>719971491 (OP)
it's this but for your brain

>>719971883
they overdo it in every media depiction

it's really just changing a 200ms travel time for a nerve impulse to a 2ms travel time

So you have catlike reflexes

but media depictions are like "OMG YOU ARE SUPERMAN NOW"

When really you'd just be like a cat and really good at swatting fast things away from your face or jumping off the ground when spooked

>>719975937
You're completely discrediting the couple of times Rebecca brought him back from the brink of cyber-psychosis but I'll let it slide.

>>719972714
Is that really the explanation lol? I always assumed it just let a chromed out human react and move as fast as a robot built for speed would be able to move. By overriding the human nerves/senses to match the robotics/implants they have.

>>719973925
He was built different, he could handle it so why not go full chrome.

Who needs the Sandevistan when you can just be a cyborg trucker with a big gun?

>>719976961
NPC's only do those dodges when they have a sandevistan

>>719976961
That T pose in the middle is crazy.

>>719976652
You nailed it, the Anon you're replying to literally made his graviton explanation up because he's a retarded redditor who thought his fan theory was interesting.

>>719977110
apparently it happened as memory ran out

>>719973925
Body dysmorphia, ie Cyber-trooning out

>>719977254
typically means the animation system couldn't find an animation so it reverts to the default, which is a T pose

>>719976817
>He was built different, he could handle it

Are Ripperdocs actual doctors?

>>719973925
>No.
Yes, the dude was 15 and he was raised by a mother that worked like 16 hours a day.

>>719977470
>Are Ripperdocs actual doctors?
LOL
Maybe a couple know what they're doing but it seems most learned what they were doing on the job and regularly fuck people up.

>>719977254
>>719977332
This raises an amusing possibility. What if the cybernetics themselves failed and that T-pose was in-universe?
The sandevistan tried to load a dodging pose, failed, and defaulted to a T-pose.

>>719977470
Well they would have to be, even if they're not trained as a doctor, you can't rip someone's spine out and put in a hardware version if you don't know how surgery and medicine and the human body work

>>719977509
Thinking about it, it's an extremely realistic representation of a boy raised by a mother so he's desperate for a father figure, reminds me of Tate or Hyde kids except Maine was actually an alright guy.

why didnt adam smasher go cyberpsycho? look at how chromed out he is compared to everyone else

>trying to argue about logic in fucking comic books
capeshit was always for people younger than 15

>>719977675
he was cyberpsycho before they put any chrome in him

>>719977675
His secret is that he enjoys being a cybernetic death dealing machine. He was crazy before he ever had implants.

>>719977571
>you can't rip someone's spine out and put in a hardware version if you don't know how surgery and medicine and the human body work
They have machines that do that for them.
In the game you just stick your arm in a machine and it automatically builds some shit into your hand.

>>719971567
>Nah, the Flash is one of the most OP things ever conceived.
lol, his arch enemy is an aussie with a boomerang

How much chrome does the average joe in Night City have?

>>719971491 (OP)
because they change it in the game/show anon, in the table top game it was just a brain implant who give you faster reflexes, that's it, not turning you into the fucking flash
Even if you could have that kind of speed (moving at the speed of the sound in an instant) you will need your whole body to be a upgraded to take that king of G force, from bones, muscles, nerves, tendons, the brain, the legs etc, otherwise the moment you turn it on your muscle and bones will break apart and you will die
>>719977675
he was a cyberpsycho like V, but like V it was in control so he didn't go in a killing spree

>>719977913
>fast enough to outrun an explosive, but can't avoid being stabbed
retarded

>>719971491 (OP)
I guess it just super charges your nervous system through your spinal column so you can move at insane speeds. The real question is how V can use a sandy without any muscle or bone implants. Even in Edgerunners, David had to get some significant chrome just so his body could keep up without seriously injuring himself.

>>719977675
He's backed by Arasaka. They have the best of the best keeping him functional.
Cyberpsychosis is largely due to people ignoring manufacturer guidelines. Mixing tech from different companies, running outdated software, shit like that.

>>719973529
The hovertank is playable in the vidya and it's clearly not an air cushion type of hovercraft.

>>719977913
Flash is so unbelievably broken as a hero that the only time he loses or dies is because the writers want him to.
>but that's every hero
No, most heroes need to invent ways to win using their skillset. Flash is the opposite in that he could clap once at his fastest speed and take out 99.99999% of all threats in his line of sight.
There's no reasonable way to write a Speedster to "lose" without the villain creating an ultimatum that's so airtight that it causes the hero to allow themselves to die to save someone/something.

Otherwise you just get retarded nonsense where you pretend the superhuman who can react to things a million times faster than the normal person gets "tricked" by some nigga holding a blade behind his back as if he can't stop or adjust course once he starts running

>>719978109
V is full cyborg from the start of the game.

>>719976652
It's not "the" explanation, but nothing else makes sense because acceleration at those speeds in that timeframe subjects the body to G forces it can't handle. The entire brain would need to be replaced to avert GLOC alone.

>>719978350
lol

I wish the game had the same feel as the anime, the game just looks generic as fuck.

>>719971491 (OP)
It could be a muscle enhancer making every nerve work to its limit, which it clearly does. The speed at which he moves is anime tier.

>>719977675
>why didnt adam smasher go cyberpsycho?

he is cyberpsycho. per the lore his psychosis is "high functioning" meaning he can hold a job and arrange contracts and so on, but his contacts will say shit like "collateral damage is mandatory"

>>719978219
Wrong, cyberpsychosis as a result of bad chrome is propaganda spread by the corps to hide the real reason. Which is just plain garden variety psychosis at having to live in the sithole that is the cyberpunk universe, but made more dangerous by the fact that you have titanium katanas for arms.

>>719971491 (OP)
Time dilation most likely
Kinda like why flys are so hard to catch

>>719976412
>beccafags STILL seething

>>719978505
Cyberpyschosis is the same phenomenon as trannies killing themselves after realising how badly they mutilated their body.

Imagine trans suicide but with knife hands

>>719978109
The answer is just plot relevancy. Sandy in the game is just another piece of gear that V can use as they choose fit. Not much thought was given to Cyberware in general aside from it functioning like equipment, while for David the Sandy was what sent him down the road to his eventual demise.
I'm curious to see how much the popularity of Edgerunners bleeds into the next game. I can see at the very least the protagonist having a proper crew.

>>719978379
I guess I don't totally understand the extent of cyberware in this universe. Is the cyberware we get at a ripperdoc just super advance high tech shit while the average NC civilian has basic skeletal and muscle reinforcements?

>>719978414
I mean yes you're agreeing with me, this is retarded

>>719978716
Huh, never thought of it like that but it makes perfect sense. Is Mike le based black man?

>>719975192
That game where you break ships and the other citizen sleeper seem more like a reality of cybernetic. We are all living closer to disco elysium than cyberpunk k.

>>719976358
Its basically ultra instinct
And then imagine you also had chrome legs that enhanced your speed aswell so your advanced processing speed can be taken even more advantage of

>>719978757
>while for David the Sandy was what sent him down the road to his eventual demise

It wasn't the Sandy in particular. Any piece of chrome would've done the trick, since David is both stupid, driven, and arrogant, which is a deadly cocktail. So he got addicted to chrome and died within less than 2 years.

>>719978716
That happens in some cases for sure but it by no means accounts for all of them, there are people that go nuts after a single arm or even internal ones like a liver. Night City is just a nutjob factory, and no one wants to admit it so they all just get lumped together as cyberpsychos.

>>719978781
Every NC civilian is chromed up to the point that it's incredibly unusual for people not to have a USB port equivalent in their neck that lets them interface directly with data which would require an extensive amount of surgery including wiring up your brain.
The only good part of Reed's ending is the context of V getting beat up by a hobo because even the shitty chrome a crackhead has lets him dominate a chromeless V.

>>719977470
The guy that is in prison called Dr death had no idea about spinal surgery and was able to operate for years. He killed and maimed over a dozen patients.

>>719978781
Pretty much. It's why the endgame implants cost an arm and a leg (literally and figuratively). The price also acts as a filter so only people who have just a chance of handling top of the line chrome (mercs, runners and corpos) are the only ones who can actually afford them

>>719978021
If they are really poor none.

>>719978781
Your average civilian probably just has some brain and eye implants so they can watch braindances or whatever.
V is much more cyberized for combat.
And the eyes you get at the very start of the game are supposed to be "top shelf" stuff. Even though in-game they're the cheapest optics you can get.

>>719979141
Really puts things into perspective when you consider the apartment costs and the fact that those are technically monthly prices lmao. That shitty broom closet in Pacifica for 10k a month is absolute insanity.

>>719979142
Really poors can't afford to go chromeless, unless they're buddhist monk or have similiar ethical reason. Many have to get cheapest, nastiest implants they can find after they're either forced to by the competition, or they get in an accident/shootout.

>>719978219
Cyberpsychosis is duo to multiple things, from bad implants, being a psycho and treating humans like ants, the society of the future itself, replacing your limbs/organs even if they work etc
Is kinda like autism/depression in our society
>>719979049
people have implants from the one in the neck or the one in the arm, but the majority only have those 2 because they are expensive as fuck to get them from real Rippers (not from the ones in back-alley ), a big portion of Night City population is poor as fuck

>>719973010
>With techs like that they could rule the galaxy, instead they stuck there on a shit hole of a planet.
welcome to the cyberpunk genre, where the advancement of mankind as a species is squandered to hell and back

>>719977675
Unlike Maelstrom shitters, his FBC was developed, maintained and monitored with Arasaka money and resources.

I just finished watching the show today. Fuckin' Smasher, poor Rebecca ;-;

>>719976358
Anon increasing your reaction time by 100X human baseline is fucking insane. That is distinctly superhuman. It's portrayed this way because tranime is cheaply produced slop for retards. Subtlety is a foreign concept. It -needs- to be flashy, stupid, and over the top.

>>719972376
One design is something made for an in game power up that otherwise is not seen on your character because every item needs an image to go with it. The other design is a key plot point of a story and the source of the protag's abilities

>>719977657
there was a reason why he was so attached to Maine too, and absolutely broke when maine died
it also didnt help too much that maine thought he could keep runnin farther then him (well he did in relative terms of accomplishments)

>>719977675
you can't go psycho if you're already psycho

>>719977068
>>719976961
honestly, they could nerf sandy a bit in both gameplay and narrative terms
by making it an auto dodge limit (so it works in MP as they just used to be reflex boosters) and narratively by getting nerfed by the AI wars that was unleashed in most endings of CP2077 cause alt got out, and maybe even some of the black wall ones in the reed side of things

>>719977470
>>719977571
>>719977760
>>719979056
considering how the technology of cp2023 was pretty damn good to regrow a lot of the human body
and in 2077 its advanced enough to just swap back in your own organs when you need to save on capacity

and for the record, its been written in cyberpunk red that smasher has spare bodies so he never ever really dies now.

>>719976358

It's not 2ms, its .002ms. As soon as the light reaches his eyes he's capable of reacting. They can see the hammer swing and move before it even exits the barrel.

>>719973308
Except we see the Sandy being used outside the "time stop" and explicitly see David superspeeding around, like when he's loading Lucy into the car.

>>719980814
Wasn't that always the case though? Like he'd have a body reserved specifically for getting laid and such?

>>719980814
>one spare body is a military grade battle-mech
>the other spare body is a base model humanoid sculpted after Elvis Presley

cyberpsychosis does weird things to a man

>>719980814
Can't you destroy his brain?

>>719981962
Uploaded to the cloud

>>719981962
Yes, spare bodies don't mean shit if there's no brain to go in them. Though I wouldn't be surprised if arasaka made an engram of smasher since he was their most loyal pitbull for 54 years.

Is the game worth playing if I liked the anime and the cyberpunk genre in general?

>>719977913
Identity Crisis is retarded and we don't talk about that. Like we don't talk about Catwoman soloing three Flashes at once.

>>719971491 (OP)
>>719972376
>how does this thing work
it increases the rate on how fast your body operates both Mentally and Physically so you can move and perceive things at a faster rate. That's why the spine is altered, as it's sending signals to the rest of the body at a faster rate then you can with a regular spine.

the brain is given a operating system (aka a spinal attachment) that allows you to "slow down time" but what it's really doing is increasing how fast you register the world around you. basically meaning you essentially live with eyes and a brain that act like a slow motion camera in real time. to put in simple terms. one second in real time for you is now 30 seconds because of how fast you operate now. in other words it pretty much would be like this for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnZqB5Z75zI

in real life to get this level of operating speed you basically need to be a robocop level of cyborg but in the show and game it's just a quick operation.

why do you even have to borg? they have robots, you can just use it as an avatar through wi-fi or something, like controlling a character in a videogame
there was a movie about that

>>719977470
i wouldn't be able to help myself going "Weee paCHOMP Weee paCHOMP" whenever i was walking if i had this thing as a foot

>>719983028
the lore is better than shadowrun, the game is better than any shadowrun games
the plot is a decent cyberpunk story, ost is awesome
when rain starts everything becomes matrix green
dunno what to say, been playing it for a month

>>719973308
> time slop

>>719983028
Play Shadowrun Dragonfall or Cyber Knights if you want a party based game, other wise 2077 is okay if you just want a cyberpunk action adventure game

>>719983028
The worst things about the game are the quest flow (having to do basically text only gigs every so often while waiting for the real ones to pop), the Tranny death race, and vehicles handling like shit. It's got some fantastic atmosphere and quests themselves tend to be good to great, while the rpg elements can be a bit underplayed at times there are enough. Pick corpo lifepath.

>>719983928
>corpo lifepath
ick

>>719983928
Do vehicles still handle like shit? I hoped they would have fixed that when they added car combat in Phantom Liberty, but I haven't played since before that released.

>Cyberpsycho
hmm yes very impressive
but
BEHOLD, the power of Cyberschizoids!

is cyberware a metaphor for fentanyl and cyberpsychosis is death?

>>719986032
george droyd

>>719985558
Ciberschizos got neutered hard. IRL they would have owned the cyberjews by being based self-evolving juggernauts.

That's not even remotely Flash tier. Flash is break the physics and plot level of fast, he redefines what speed even is.
David would get mogged by Spider-Man in a brawl.

>>719983028
It's not a perfect game, but in its current state it's good
The world can feel underbaked and that's probably its biggest flaw (and driving cars)
The music is fantastic, the setting is fun but the game sort of fails to immerse you into it outside of quest setpiece moments because of that underbaked feeling. Character building is fun
Some of the jobs get pretty close to feeling like you're in a proper immersive sim. I like the game, I'd probably never replay it though

>>719984772
All but a select few, they added a self driving feature that mostly works the get around it.

>>719972701
>somehow this character still loses fights

>>719986731
The floor was slippery.

>>719986731
Comics are the reason the term Plot Induced Stupidity was coined. Characters will routinely forget their abilities, sandbag and act dumb to let the plot happen.

>>719986731
Can't outrun Destiny.
That's right, bad writing is literally canon in DC.

>>719987187
TIME JANNIES, ACTIVATE
WOO WOO WOO

>>719984772
Yes, it's why a vehicle handling is most always near the top of my installs.

>>719971491 (OP)
It doesn't.
You can't just replace your spinal chord, it'd be like replacing your brain.

>>719975495
I can barely hold all of my this

>>719987579
nah it's fine. You can replace pieces of your brain and still be yourself for example. But the more you replace the higher the chance your mind just breaks. And you COULD replace your brain just fine, there's nothing stopping you..

>>719987579
Brain is where the thinking happens. The spinal chord is just a thick cable.

>>719987795
That cable controls all of your body and messages to the brain. You can't function without it.

>>719988047
make a better one that doesn't confuse signals and shiet nigger

>>719988274
I'll make the logo

>>719971491 (OP)
>Using sandevistan instead of berk
Kek no wonder he didn't make it.
>I'm le fast
vs
>Literally invulnerable for an extended period of time
If he used berk Smasher would have jobbed to him..

>>719988453
lmao

>>719972376
I think that replaces or slot in-between the vertebrae in your neck. I'm more interested in what berserk is supposed to look like since there's no depiction of it outside of the thumbnails.

>>719987579
Replacing parts of your body with some hackjob metal contraptions for the sake of improvement is generally an absurd idea that will never amount to anything in real life. So, you can come up with whatever you want because all of it is equally absurd.

>>719972376
I wish the game had implants that would change your appearance. I was so disappointed when i first got the Gorila Arms.

I just watched the show and it makes zero sense to me how immunosuppressants keep you from killing all your friends with your robot arms.

>>719989129
What's worse is that his mom sacrificed everything for her son to get a better life and he throws it all away for his one night stand

>>719977675
Fundamentally he cheats by having no actual mental score or humanity check because he's a mass-murdering psychopath that simply got full borged to go a-murderin' some more. When people think about "the top" for what it means to get fully chromed out, Adam Smasher is the shining example of what it takes to handle all that chrome - and what sort of fucked up human being you have to be that it doesn't affect him one bit because his humanity is bottomed out entirely to begin with.
You can't have another Adam Smasher without a very lenient or experimental GM in the tabletop, and some very, very bad consequences.

>>719973925
Because he was a worthless disposable goon who wanted to make it big and the only way to make it big for him was continuously repurposing himself into an even more efficient combat machine? Consider selling one's organs to make money. That's effectively what Afterlife tards do for the living, because they don't really have anything else to sell.

Ironically, show highlights the absolute state of mercs in the setting much better than the game. They are some of the lowest forms of life along with prostitutes, and they even more disposable and live considerably less. The most important difference is that in the show the merc crew had a clearly defined goal that involved leaving that life behind eventually, while the game peddles some retarded shit about how replacing your body with weapons so you could be used in a crypto-corporate wars for a spare charge makes you some kind of "legend" lmao.

>>719979879
Bro in the basic cyberpunk universe the tech is so good they can genemod you into a fucking furry if they want. You don't understand the tech level of the setting and you're a fucking retard. If anything, the anime undersold how fucking ridiculous Cyberpunk's setting is. So did the video game, but you secondary shitters don't know shit anyway.

>>719989129
Apparently there's anti-psychotics and anti-depressants mixed in, of course they're just a contrivance made for the show.

>>719989129
the gist far as i can figure is that it's basically avoiding augmentation rejection. think of adam jensen from the deus ex prequels; he's basically immune to aug rejection because he's the rare DNA and potentially a testtube baby specifically for being able to handle such things, but most everyone else in that world regularly require medicine to help keep their body in check so that it doesn't suddenly feel tons of pain and reject augmentations since the human body loves to freak the everliving fuck out at things not being "right".
now imagine that in an even more dystopian setting where every other aug around the street potentially has a gun in their leg, an engine in their torso, a blade in their arm, compared to the relatively tame commercial augging of deus ex, and the setting is so bad that depression or some level of anxiety and stress is just a daily thing all the time that could ramp up the rejection rates.

>>719989129
Immune system of the body rejects foreign objects which were plentifully inserted into body. Which is exactly how it works, and it's funny how anime writers bothered with that part but the game didn't.

>>719971883
Davido is literally built different.

>>719971491 (OP)
What would he have needed to do in order to triumph against Adam?

>>719990081
Have bigger plot armor, which he is not entitled to have by setting's rules.
If all instances of plot armor would be disabled, considering what he was capable of at that point, fucking up multiple heavy military vehicles thrown at him etc, he'd have flattened Smasher without even noticing him.

>>719990081
Sanity, better gear since he was effectively just trying to brute force Adam on his own playing field while woefully unprepared and underequipped, more combat experience since he was going up against a trained professional super madman murder machine, and a metric ton of dumb fucking luck. V can waltz in with just a revolver and a bunch of efficient augs to their name for 2077 and curbstomp because it's a video game so a player character of that sort is just gonna be retardedly bullshit by comparison, though they at least buffed his fight from the complete joke he was at launch.

not video games
back to /tv/

>>719990315
Nobody ever gives V enough credit, he is a fucking monstrously powerful character by the end of the game. Just because he's still voiced like a dweeb and isn't as hulked out as Adam it doesn't mean he isn't 99.99% absolutely top of the line not even available on the market chrome and potentially armed with a fucking blackwall breaking gun.

>>719990315
He is still a complete joke at the highest difficulty if you play a strong build. Hacker with 2 smart smgs rapes him so hard the fight almost entirely consists of scripted invulnerability phases.

>>719990572
It's not that people don't give V credit, V is indeed absurdly powerful. It's that whether due to the Relic and their willingness to bet it all on a seemingly-inevitable death, or that one in a million impossible person for chrome that bypasses what basically any other character in the setting has to deal with, among many other things, they're kind of the "impossible" character. You can't make a V in the tabletop, depicting someone that capable in any other media at their apex would be like cybernetic Jesus Christ as a Solo, and so many other little factors with how it plays out. So people don't "respect" V because they don't really make much sense in the franchise except as a video game player character that gets advantages no one else does.

>>719990081
Set some kind of ambush and hit him with something huge. Like a huge bomb or one of those junkyard magnets for lifting cars.
Nobody can take Adam in a straight fight. He's a tank with the toppest of the top line tech serviced by actual experts with unlimited funds.
You have to fight dirty.

>>719990480
stfu nigger you will never be a janny

>>719987731
theres a guy in the dlc who completely replaced his brain and uploads his memories to a remote server regularly

>>719971567
>can vibrate through walls, he's business all the time

>>719990572
A max level Gorilla Arms and associated stats/perks/etc V can punch with about as much force as being shot by a 40mm autocannon.
If V has the correct Sandevistan he can punch something like 5 times every second, or 300 times per minute.

Being punched by Sandevistan V is roughly equivalent to being magdumped by two Bradley IFVs at once. (This webm is only one.)

>>719972376
>the game

Having to choose between one single slowmo ability and all your hacking is bullshit. Sandevistan should just be a regular part not the whole operating system.

>>719971491 (OP)
pumps massive adrenaline into your body. most people cant handle more than 3 a day its like overdosing.

>>719991414
I really thought that going all in on the Sandy was fun, but ultimately I decided that the sheer amount of utility Hacking gives you is just unbeatable, especially since combat isn't much of a challenge if you go all-in on Body and know what weapons to grab. Plus you can just get an improvised Sandevistan just by activating Scan mode, although if Scan slows shit down or not seems to be a bit of a crapshoot.
I basically made my V into your typical unkillable sonic-speed brick, so I specc'd Hacking to be how I handle stealth jobs and it really did feel like there wasn't any situation I couldn't handle just by hacking everyone sneaky or just juggernaut through them if I didn't feel like taking my time. Maybe it's different on high difficulties, iirc I was only on Normal, but it was a bit nice to "have my cake and eat it too", since most games I play now only let you really spec into being a brute OR being a leet haxxor, not both.

>>719971491 (OP)
The gaem is on sale on GoG rn. Should I?

>>719991414
Yeah I never tried using the Sandy because hacking is so much more versatile.

>>719972376
>i guess the anime makes it obvious its like a metal spine on top of yours
The way the anime shows it makes it look like David's spine is completely replaced.

>>719991850
If you got the rig, it's a decent action RPG shooter game. Not really a "great", but far, far from its launch state or a shitty game. Just don't expect Grand Theft Auto or something super in-depth with that open world at all. If you gotta have a Deus Ex fix after HR and MD, this is the closest you're getting.

>>719977675
He was already a complete monster with zero empathy or care for other people from the start, so when he went cyberpsycho absolutely nothing changed.

>>719991154
Where did it say he replaced his brain?

>>719978474
ah, so he has high functioning autism
just like me fr fr

As far as i know, it works like this:
>First, you get something that works like what NeuraLink its supposed to do.
>Then, you rip part of your spine out, have the thing connected and implanted
>Device now pumps a stupidly high amount of adrenaline that shits feels like it has slowed down
>Use it to many times and your heart will be unable to keep up with the strain
Thats it.
There is also another one that pretty much puts you permanently on that state, but you get cyber psychosis faster, and your heart and body overall will be unable to live to long due to the strain, because being hooked up to unhealthy amounts of adrenaline its pretty much lethal.
But we don't give a shit about that here, most people in Cyberpunk don't make it past 50 unless you are hot shit or something.
>That is dumb
Anon, everything about a cyberpunk setting is dumb. We have literally a clown who replaced his nose with an active grenade, and thats tame.
You will die like a bitch anyways, so you might as well make as much money as possible and have fun being a retard, otherwise life is pretty grim.

>>719976652
anon made it up. it increases your reaction times massively (hence the "slow motion"), the super speed comes from all of the other insane prostethics to give you superhuman strength.

>>719992526
And this is the future we chose.

Bioware seems like a much better deal than cyberware.

>>719989907
In the game the doc gives you some kind of inhaler and tells you to use it twice a day or something.
But it's a videogame so they only show you using it that one time.

>>719973010
>With techs like that they could rule the galaxy
By 2077 mankind has begun to colonize the solar system which is an insane amount of progression for not even a century of having access to that tech

>>719983028
Yeah it's a solid 8.5/10 game, the beginning questline is a bit of a slog but after stealing the biochip the game opens up a lot.

>>719990850
Nah, cyberpunk tabletop settings do this shit all the time. They're always littered with one in a bazillion super special god tier turbo retards who simply can't fail. Cyberpunk did this, Shadowrun did this, etc.

And usually these characters have the common thread of being one of the original writer's/playtesters/original writer's friends OC character they played together with. Shit, D&D is *filled* with fuckers like these, basically any named spell (Bigby, Mordenkainen's, Tenser's, etc) who are all high level godmode character's was literally a fucking player character from Gygax's table, etc.