Thread 719983210

I've been afraid to give my thoughts on this game after giving the gameplay showcase that popped up in my recommended a try.

But are the Hitman games sort of "puzzley" in the sense of "figure out how to complete your objective, and solve certain problems with a set amount of gadgets and contexts. As this game seems to be? I've always leaned more towards the "stealth" games that are closer to (but not exactly like) a puzzle game. But the only one I've found that does this while being still skill based is the last of us, hence part of why I didnt want to mention liking the games showcase of this game, because it gave me some Uncharted and TLOU vibes. Even though I dont like Uncharted.

Let me clarify some things. I've always had an idea of what Hitman was. What put me off of it, is the whole "DO SO MANY WACKY THINGS IN SO MANY WACKY WAYS". Because having played imsims (not a real genre, and also the most shallow stealth games ever) One persistent, consistent, underlying flaw of all of them. Is the redundancy of multiple options, where you can literally "solve" a problem (generally relatively simply, just use the ability you have) and then literally stumble upon 3 different solutions right after while trying to explore thoroughly, and now those solutions occupy wasted space of the level that can often lead you right back to where youve already been since you literally already solved the problem.

Another problem that arises from this is that if you happened to pick the easier solution, now youve missed out on the satisfaction of the harder solution, and vice versa, if you happened to pick out the harder solution, seeing how much work you put in, when you come across the easier solution, it can just look silly to see how simple the actual set up is, which sets the precedent for the future that your harder solution doesnt really matter, because the problem isnt as meaningfully complicated as it seemed when you thought up a novel feeling solution.

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Does Hitman have that same flaw? Part of the reason I asked if the stealth is more puzzley in Hitman, is because I've found that a game like TLOU1 and 2 can perfectly give you a breadth of options and make every single one feel meaningful, and like youre never wasting anything or coming across redundancy. Because of a number of mechanics that not only make problems more tense, engagement with enemies deeper, traversal and enviromental interactions more spatial awareness demanding (meaning certain tools are highly important for covering space you are aware of but cannot cover yourself)

Or is Hitman just like every Immersive Sim that is the definition of wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. Except, thats a bit deceptive, since Imsims are actually more like wide as a Lake, deep as a Kids version of the deepend.

Does anybody here even talk about videogames?

>>719983912
No. Where do you think you are?

>>719983912
sometimes
idk man you kinda hit the nail on the head anyway

it's very hitman-y

thanks for sharing your opinion though m9

>>719983912
We already talked about the 007 gameplay showcase to death upon release and few days after. Just because you missed it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

>>719983983
>it's very hitman-y
>thanks for sharing your opinion though m9
I've never even played Hitman, so, I dont even know if it's Hitmany, my OP is an inquiry to what its design could be, based on its superficial similarities to Hitman, and if ai should acquaint myself with the Hitman games, based on my impression of the type of games they are, and if it succumbs to the same flaws I identify the group of games it could be put under, do.

nice try loser trying to talk about a DOA game

>>719983912
Bro, there are like 40 Silksong threads up.
People just aren't interested in this game since the showcase mostly just made it look like a generic gen 7 third person shooter and the awful performance mostly made people think of shit like Mindseye.

>>719984213
having played all games mentioned
007 looks like uncharted with dumbed down hitman elements sprinkled in
however I am not autistic enough to tell you if the hitman games fall under your hyper specific preferences

>>719983210 (OP)
>looks like the retard in spider-man games
>wont be like goldeneye in structure
>"modern" bond
>ugly charcters

>>719985961
>>wont be like goldeneye in structure
How retarded do you have to be to want a James Bond game thats more of a shooter, than espionage and investigation with gadgets

Do you even like James Bond?

Can't wait for hitman uncharted gameplay with impossible failure states and 25 minute long cutscenes between 5 minute walking around aimlessly simulator gameplay where I've got to pick up items and rotate them around in my hands to look at the secret note underneath for the door, the code is 123456789, oh goodie now another cutscene.

>>719986056
ah yes Hitman sure is more like Bond than Goldeneye..
lmao

>>719983210 (OP)
Let me guess, Unreal Enigne?

>>719983210 (OP)
It looks like a more streamlined version of hitman with less player agency or creativity but with more setpiece moments instead. So the puzzle aspect of hitman is thrown out the window and boring TPS filler will be tacked on instead.
The showcase really didn't show anything clever or cool.
>do x to then do Y and then you proceed
>shoot the explosive barrels for big booms
>Pick up a gun, unload it and throw it (which they showed 3 times so they really have nothing else going on in the combat)
>Cinematics take over and let James do the actual cool James Bond shit.

>>719983210 (OP)
It looked like Hitman with like 10 sets of training wheels. You could literally only do one thing at a time like a point and click adventure, the "car sequence" was the most on-rails bullshit I've seen since Knife Edge Nose Gunner on the N64. You got like 1min30s of "combat" which was like 50% canned animation takedowns, and all of that wrapped in a sub-15fps packaged dipping to single digits when he rocked the plane with his watch. It looks like a fucking dumpsterfire.

>>719986516
why do you niggas lack the fundamental capacity for deeper and closer analysis beyond preconceived notions.
everything has to be filtered through a narrative "streamlined", "tps filler", "agency"
even if i showed you that this
>(which they showed 3 times so they really have nothing else going on in the combat)
was objectively wrong because they showed much more than that towards the end of the showcase, and even gadget interactions during combat.
it wouldnt matter because youre not engaging with reality, youre engaging with a filter youve draped over it through the use of language.

>>719983210 (OP)
Steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car.

>>719983210 (OP)
>Why has nobody talked about it here
>Massive frame drops during action sequences
I really can't tell why there's no interest in it...
Plus, they haven't showed any relevant gameplay besides yet another hitman game and hollywood reject's action sequence.

>>719983210 (OP)
bri-ish culture is in decline, nobody cares.
its gonna be another queercoded nigger faggot fest like star trek or dr who

>>719983210 (OP)
because it looks like any third person adventure/shooter like uncharted. lame as all fuck, plus all women are fugly, woke queens

OP here, since /v/ is steeped in brainrotted philosophical zombies that are unable to engage with any discussion honestly without spitting out a host of buzzwords. Id just prefer somebody engage with and explain to me how the Hitman games don't succumb to the follies I identified and outlined with a semi adjacent genre its somewhat grouped with and associated with.

>>719987223
Why would they design women like that?

>>719987223
>see imagery like this
>nevery buy thing

>>719983210 (OP)
I didn't read the thread but will there be any woke sjwshit in this game?

>>719983912
The game just doesn't look compelling, its uncharted 007.
If they made a game similar to golden eye + sneaking mechanics then I'd see some interest but it looks pretty generic.

Yes Hitman is a puzzle game.
I never noticed wasted space for puzzle solutions.
>if you happened to pick the easier solution, now youve missed out on the satisfaction of the harder solution
That's what multiple playthroughs are for, or challenge collecting if you care about seeing the different solutions.

You could always just play the game yourself.

>>719983210 (OP)
>open steam page for it
>preorder bonuses
bond games truly peaked on the ps2 huh

>>719983912
I care not for your britbong hitman clone, faggot, and shan't be discussing it further.

>>719987660
>You could always just play the game yourself.
Well, understanding and knowing the game is supposed to be motivation and reason to play the game.
>Yes Hitman is a puzzle game.
>I never noticed wasted space for puzzle solutions.
Which Hitman game would you say does this the absolute best?
>That's what multiple playthroughs are for, or challenge collecting if you care about seeing the different solutions.
I dont like replaying games. Id rather just experience a consistent set of high quality solutions even if i miss some other ones, than anything else. I mean, it'd really require a different kind of extrinsic motivation for me to seek out different solution

I will never give IO Interactive another penny as long as I live.

>>719986882
How would you describe
>activate witcher sense to see interactable components
>activate them
>You may now proceed
if not streamlined hitman?

Where are the gadget interactions exactly because I was probably snoozing with all the Micheal Bay explosions going on.

>>719983210 (OP)
Who would want to be a glownigger working for the rape gang lobby in the Yookay?

>>719987992
I was talking about the 2016 and onward Hitman trilogy, which is now just one title. The game is definitely designed for replayability, if you just want to play it once you can but you'll only see so much. Generally you won't even see the whole map in one playthrough. There are also generally enough story quests to require 3 or so playthroughs if you choose to do the mission stories.

literally everyone except zoomer bond is a immigrant, fuck off

>>719983210 (OP)
there was already a thread a couple days ago where we talked about everything there was to talk about
i.e. it looked like shit and has an ugly jeet girl in it

>>719988239
Hm sure. What of Blood Money? I've heard that one is good. Is it puzzley?

Just skeptical about the nu Hitman, since I feel a game designed with detective vision in mind, and designed to be replayed, probably lacks substance in its actual core moment to moment gameplay. At the very least that was the case with many arcade games, and many mobile games aswell.

Just havent really heard anything compelling about Hitman. Thats why I outlined a criteria for it to be evaluated on, if it atleast passed the imsim flaw test it might be worthwhile in itself.

>>719983210 (OP)
Will the game be about tracking down hate speech causers and assisting brownoid rapists?

>>719983775
uh, he didn't say that? desu alec was one of the most milquetoast bond villains in terms of his plan and his justification for hating the Uk was weak.

>>719983210 (OP)
no one wants groom gang game OP.

>>719989039
if its any consolation, the devs arent british

>>719983912
I talk about them, but I don't play them.

Yeah, I really wonder why no one cares about James Bond now.
Has something to do with women and how they ruin things.

>>719990360
A protagonist who can drive a car and sex with women? Zoomers can't relate

wow surely its the gamers fault for being negative and not that video games are getting shittier and shittier, we should just eat the slop and be happy
fuck your game

>>719990571
... and who was talked down & replaced with a nigger woman in his last movie.

>>719983210 (OP)
nice reddit spacing bro

>>719983210 (OP)
BUY AN #AD

It probably wont run stably on my system

hm

>>719987283
What's going to happen is they'll scream their "trapped in 2016" buzzwords and slogans, spend months gloating about how it will fail and be another TORtanic (so trapped in 2010 too) and then it doesn't so /v/ will just pretend they never did any of that and go back to propping up whatever chinkslop or gookslop with Realdolls they jack off to just came out.

>>719987283
It's always deeply funny watching a literal NPC like you talk as if you have a soul. You have no qualia, you are a hylic freak, and probably dysgenic.

I would laugh at you for being a big TLOU fan and never having played a Hitman game, but this is like laughing at a chimp for eating someone's face. You didn't really have a choice in the matter, you were born broken. There is no argument that I, or anyone else, could possibly make that would stop you from picking up this turd on day one.

>>719988531
Blood money is my personal favorite. Most of the maps are very detailed and give you a lot of options on how to kill your targets even when going for a high rank stealth approach. It's a pretty short game so I would recommend just playing it and seeing for yourself.

>>719991150
Oh so like with silksong?
To be fair this game does not seem to have the sheer force of hype silksong did. And apparently even normie retards (which /v/ constantly pretends theyre contrary to, but actually think as superficially as) seem to not be enthusiastic about it.

>>719983912
Why is this always the newfag go to post
Read the room you dumb fucking nigger tourist

>>719991946
Lol. /v/ for videogames btw.

It just doesn't look like my kind of game, honestly. But it's clearly something IO has wanted to make for a long while with Absolution, so sure, let them have fun.

>>719987283
I agree that these threads are garbage because /vpol/ is seething that it's yet another game that doesn't kowtow to them and go with their "le pendulum is le swinging" narrative.

Having said that, there's really not much to talk about this game. The new Hitman games got ruined for me with all the live service shit. This game looks like new Hitman but more on rails and with epic setpieces, as has already been said. And the old Hitman games are kino and you don't get them and I don't feel like relitigating something that you are already known to be wrong on.

>>719987371
>>719987507
apparently it's a new mandate from Amazon, since they own the IP

>>719987223
>no Mr. Bond, I expect you to DEI

>>719983210 (OP)
Just looked like a more cinematic version of Hitman to me, gunplay is improved but stealth looked the same, ai the same, unsure if it's going to be a more linear game or if it will be like Absolution where it's half & half

>>719990360
People stopped caring about Bond because the movies stopped being cheesy pulpy spy fiction and just became first generic slop during Brosnan and poorly done attempts at serious action drama during Craig. Nobody cares about super serious Bond.

>>719992035
your new is showing (again)

>>719983912
I use this board as /pol/ but without the interracial propaganda. Otherwise, there's very little difference.

>>719985961
I miss this banana nigga like you wouldn't believe

Looks like a PS3 game they forgot to release.

>>719983912
This is as much of a videogame as you are a woman.

>>719983775
lol

>>719988054
Good. This is how consumers ought to behave.

>>719983210 (OP)
because the gameplay showcase looked awful. it looks like a ps360 era game with minorly improved graphics (if at all)
it looks like awful movie tie-in slop and there's not even a movie to tie into

>>719987906
That's modern gaming for you.

>>719983210 (OP)
game seems like those cheap movie tie ins

>>719990747
>LE REDDIT SPACING
Newfag

>>719983210 (OP)
Nobody likes the British government

The women are all troons and it looks mid af.

Its not a definite 100% no but it's definitely free on PS+ or $10 tier.

>>719984213
>I've never even played Hitman
Kill yourself then.

>>719998337
? Are you incapable of understanding the concept of inquiry and discussion?

>>719983210 (OP)
It sucks ass

>>719998545
Reported.

>>719998834
lol, kek

>>719983210 (OP)
god i beg you just shut the fuck up essayfag

>>719983210 (OP)
I WANTED BLOOD MONEY 2 NOT THIS KIDDIE CAPESHIT IN A SUIT DOGSHIT

>>719991946
your posting is just obnoxious at this point, just go play a game already and stop making steam charts threads

Looks mid. Looks unappealing and it feels outdated. Like an early PS3 game but worse since it has ugly women.

>>719983775
لا.بالنسبة لي.

>>719987636
Worse, the protagonist looks like a generic fuck boy, how can you have a bond game with a protagonist that has 0 charisma.

kill yourself okirano

>>719983912
Not a big fan of video games myself don't really see the point of em

>>719988531
>designed to be replayed, probably lacks substance in its actual core moment to moment gameplay. At the very least that was the case with many arcade games
You have never 1CCd a single arcade game

>>719983912
no no I dont do this ones

>>719983210 (OP)
i don't care about boomer shit

>>719983912
i'm here for the thinly veiled /an/ threads personally

Hitman WOA is my all time favorite game.

Bond just plainly looks bad. Its a licensed AA movie game straight out of 2010.

>>719983210 (OP)
Who the fuck cares about a James Bond game since golden eye. Bond IP makes good movies, not good games

>>719983210 (OP)
>$70
no

If you missed Goldeneye and Hitman’s mission structure together, you have a solid base.

The thing with hitman is you’re tracking moving humans, where with Bond it’s probably going to be stationary intel and objectives.

Take Frigate for example with Goldeneye, you can see the sort of modern Hitman mission design there too with planting trackers on the chopper, finding hostages.
So a mixed scenario would be that, but with IO’s design sensibilities.
>Helicopter is within a locked hanger, approachable from multiple angles
>Hostages are blending in with patrons, so you need to listen for certain things

That sort of gameplay structure could work. But if everything is: “Track down Dostevchy”, it won’t.

>>719983775
That completely went over my head as a kid.

The more important aspect of the game is the narrative anyway.

The default story to make is a locale hopping Uncharted/Hitman, which is fine, you need your variance in levels.

But the main challenge is how you meld intrigue and espionage into the gameplay. It should be a natural intrigue in the player that guides them through levels and objectives. Not in a side quest way, but in a manner in which they’re unravelling a plot on their own.

An example would be being able to uncover a double agent’s motives from MI6 who was the initial source of the intel, leading the main objectives astray.
If that’s an end option in the game, having variable outcomes in missions that affect story paths, that’s the ideal game here.

>>720007083
The problem with this is I think I already know the story. Some white guy will be evil and oppress minorities. Bond will beat him up and say he has to be a better man. Que fade to black sex scene with a hideous looking woman. The end.

>>720007519
Like in quantum of solace.

>>720007834
Mr. White was cool though