Thread 719995242

>Hey did you know he's a selfless idiot that wants to be used by others?

Does this VN get any better or should I drop it?

>>719995242 (OP)
fate is good in spite of shiroutisms.

>>719995242 (OP)
>>Hey did you know he's a selfless idiot that wants to be used by others
thats why its kino. I want to help this retard fulfill his hero complex dreams.

shirou looks so tuff in dis ngl

>>719995242 (OP)
If you can get off to the shoddy porn it's half decent. Best I can say for it.

>>719995242 (OP)
the moral conundrum of this game is the trolly problem. the game isn't that deep.

>>719995725
What exactly is Shirou's complex?

>>719995242 (OP)
I think that should have wrote out ALL sex in the story. It makes no sense for Shirou to desire sex at all, completely antithetical to what he stands for and how he was made.

>>719996436
Sex doesn't contradict him. Shirou isn't delusional or incapable of love, he simply can only be happy when others are.

>>719995242 (OP)
You posted this exact same thread on /a/ too.
Do you simply get pleasure from (you)s anon?

>>719995242 (OP)
Rin or Sakura?

>>719996436
I've only played the remastered version so I've never seen them but there were a few strange cut to black moments where I suspect they were supposed to take place.

>>719996436
>>719996705
>It makes no sense for Shirou to desire sex at all, completely antithetical to what he stands for and how he was made.

Why not?

>>719997741
Guilt

>>720000220
survivors guilt doesn't make you asexual.

>>719995242 (OP)
>No way, he wants to....SAVE PEOPLE? This guy is insane, he's crazy. He's like a machine, how could he want to do that? The depth, the nuance of this characterization...
That's this VN in a nutshell.

>>720000487
dumb steinsgate poster

>>720000487
this is the vn in a nutshell.

It should have just been about the trolley problem, it's fine for an anime-based story, where they yell out their attacks.

We didn't need the autistic, selfless hero also have sex with women he just met with his giant dick, along describing every partner's vagina in great detail.

>>720001003
How exactly was Shirou selfless again? Besides being a doormat for Shinji and Rin.

Chuunige peaked at Sparks Liner High.

>>720001003
its a eroge.

We were robbed out of the best possible Sakura.

>>720001634
wish we could've seen a timeline or a future like this

>>719996279
he has a martyr complex

>>720001924
In that timeline Sakura would be a non magic user. due to the one heir policy.

>>720002349
>>720002357
How was Shirou planning on saving everyone when he couldn't even save Ilya and Sakura in UBW?

>>720002926
by becoming him.

>>720000487
You Steins;Gate fags are absolutely insufferable.

>>719995786
>If you can get off to the shoddy porn it's half decent.
Saber's second scene in Fate is actually really hot and I'm tired of pretending otherwise, Takajun's slightly jank translation notwithstanding.

>>720004568
i prefer this

>>719995242 (OP)
Do you have 176+ hours to spare reading all three routes with the voice acting enabled and completing the multiple route endings plus all forty bad ends for 100% completion?

>>720004709
>Would you believe this is the second time I've been raped by a witch? At least it isn't my sister this time.

>>720005254
does that ever pop up in FGO?

>>720005701
I haven't kept up with FGO since Goetia so I wouldn't know. Apparently there's a dozen different Morgans now who may or may not have done nothing wrong so it may have been retconned, I dunno.

>>719995242 (OP)
It's good from the beginning.

>>720001634
Realistically, what would happen if the Tohsaka family decided "Nah, we're keeping our daughter. Fuck your gay two heir policy". Honestly, that whole policy seems kinda fucking retarded and just an excuse to have a stupid plot twist.

>>720010767
Nothing good.

>>719995242 (OP)
vns are probably better in japanese

>>719996279
>>720002349
it's not a martyr complex, it's a survivor guilt complex because he thinks he didn't deserve to be saved after he ignored everyone that was dying in the fire

>>720006760
from what I remember, the morgan in fgo was the real morgan from the real timeline that got summoned by beryl but she did some weird shit that I don't remember, like went back in time or reincarnated in the past in what was the lostbelt britain and she changed history and that changed her history and personality too

>>720012135
my problem with that is he was a seven at the time. a kid that age is useless in a rescue situation like a wildfire.

>>720012432
yeah but he feels guilty about surviving the fire and the only way he thought to "repay" the dead people he ignored was to become selfless to an extreme

>>719995242 (OP)
Thats what makes him an absolute terror to others.
He's unironically autistic. When he says he'll save you he'll save you, when he says you gotta go you gotta go.
When he sees a bar he will jump into it countless times not because he wants to jump over it but because its there.

>>720012681
>When he sees a bar he will jump into it countless times not because he wants to jump over it but because its there.
kek

>>719995242 (OP)
I hate what fate became but fsn is still kino

>>719995242 (OP)
Don't know. Not a video game, just like gachas.

>>720001634
Sakura with an actual personality beyond "eternal rape victim" would be pretty enjoyable
>>720010767
Only one gets the Magic Crest and the other just has to hope they can figure stuff out on their own and avoid getting offed by rival mages. The parents still die as a result of the 4th Holy Grail War. Best case scenario is that Rin and Sakura both manage just fine until the 5th HGW and Shinji's the one who gets wormed instead. Worst case scenario is that the sister without the Crest gets captured or killed and the survivor ends up further traumatized

>>720012348
I know Nasu has been into exploring alter egos of existing characters at least as far back as KnK and manifesting different incarnations as far back as Meltan, but FGO has really taken it way too fucking far. I know the gacha format demands it but that in itself is part of the problem.

>>720014046
well, nasu goes retarded a lot of times but I think fgo has helped nasu to explore way more historic figures than a VN, LN or manga would ever allowed him to do. And there's a lot of hit and miss but there are some great character designs and stories too

>>720013942
>and Shinji's the one who gets wormed instead
shinji would end up worse than kariya if that happened
kariya at least had magic circuit and potential. Shinji had nothing

>>719995242 (OP)
The main point of the second route is to call him out on being a selfless idiot.

>>720014307
Unless Zouken kidnapped Sakura or somehow sired another kid, I think that'd be the end of the Matous entirely.

>>720015093
it literally was, that's why zouken went to tokiomi and asked for sakura
kariya was the last true matou with potential to be a magi

>>720010767
One heir inheriting the Crest had been a thing since Mahoyo / KnK with the Aozaki sisters.

>>719995242 (OP)
He's a braindamaged retard that dedicated his entire life and moral compass to align with the self destructive ideals of some other braindamaged retard damaged child soldier, because he was saved that one time.
Everything after the first route reinforces how much of a goddamn retard he is.

>>720000723
Fate will always be a better series than reddit;gate

>>720015189
Remind me again, why did Tokiomi gave up his daughter to a rival family? It just seems like a really stupid and retarded idea.

>>720017034
Its brought up briefly in Fate Zero and only mentioned in a single scene in HF, but I think the synopsis was that Sakura was bound to enter the world of mages due to her high potential, and, since Tokiomi could only give the Crest and all the training that entailed to one descendant, keeping her around meant she'd be an easy target for other magi to capture or kill. Giving her up to another family the Tohsaka's have connections with, who are in need of an heir and can probably teach her magecraft, seemed like a good idea at the time. Why Tokiomi chose the creepy 1000 year old bug person instead of the Edelfelts, however, is beyond me
The Church was right about mages

>>719995242 (OP)
Him being a selfless idiot got him laid, so it was kinda worth it for him.

>>720017034
>>720017869
basically this but what tokiomi said to kariya was that because only one person could inherit the magic crest, he didn't want the other one to lose the potential sakura because of it so he gave her to zouken
I don't know if tokiomi was aware of how the matou magic worked or knew what zouken would do to sakura

>>719995242 (OP)
Fate is about realizing that the idea is good, but reality doesn't work that way and shirou becomes a real human bean.
UBW is about giving up literally everything including making a deal with CF to try and achieve this ideal however unlikely.
HF is about realizing it's completely bullshit.

>>720018271
>HF is about realizing it's completely bullshit.
that's not what happened
he just wanted to save sakura more than save the world because he fell for her

>>720018350
doesn't saving sakura also save the world by preventing the manifestation of angra mainyu?

>>720014243
Honestly I'd say that the character arcs in FGO are fairly shallow and underwhelming, but that is somewhat inevitable when the gacha systems demands as many characters as feasibly possible. And then you have servants who are the equivalent of extras because they have nothing going on, Boudica springs to mind. Not to say that there weren't underdeveloped characters in previous works but in FGO it feels like more the norm than the exception.

>>720018682
yes but sakura killed a lot of people and shirou was really mad about that, to the point that she actually tried to kill her
but in the end he decided to save her even if that meant making the entire world his enemy

>>720018271
HF is about how even the most strongwilled men can toss aside his own ideals and dreams for Love.

>>720018271
>HF is about realizing it's completely bullshit.
Not really. HF is about confronting Shirou with a scenario where he has to either adopt Kiritsugu's cold version of heroism (save as many people as possible even if it costs the lives of the few) or abandon his ideals (save EVERYONE) to save Sakura. The ideals are never disproven or dissected like they are in UBW; instead, Shirou's forced into a scenario where he can't bring himself to follow through with them (temporarily anyway)
>>720018808
>even if that meant making the entire world his enemy
>he faces zero backlash for his decision, Sakura is never reprimanded for going nuclear, and he ends up saving the world in the end
All the tension over keeping Sakura alive or not really had no weight to it in the grand scheme o things

>>719995242 (OP)
>Does this VN get any better
no lol

>>720019021
>All the tension over keeping Sakura alive or not really had no weight to it in the grand scheme o things
he literally lost his body tho
in one ending, he ended up living eternally as a fucking light because nobody could find his soul and sakura died alone waiting for him and in the other ending, rin and sakura had to get him a doll body from touko to put his soul in it
I would say his actions had very big consequences

>>720018085
He, hopefuly, didn't know his daughter would end up getting raped. However Tokiomi as a prime mage being a huge retard, and Kariya a sperg who didn't properly explain himself outside or REEEEEEEE about Sakura's situation didn't help things at all.

>>720019156
I was referring to the fact that he faces zero opposition to keeping Sakura alive. The decision is framed like he's choosing Sakura or the world, but he never actually has to fight "the world" (i.e. Rin, Archer, anyone else who might be opposed to everything Sakura will do) to save Sakura; Sakura just becomes the main antagonist and the source of all the enemies Shirou fights for the rest of the route instead, and he saves the world anyway.
>HF endings
These were kino

>>720020082
>>HF endings
>These were kino
Only the normal and bad endings were
the "true" end was dogshit

>tranime
>VN
>get better
>>ever be good
You were wasting your time from the get go kek. Just play a game retard

>>720020082
archer didn't oppose him because shirou made a decision different than the one he made
rin wanted to kill sakura but in the end she couldn't kill her own sister
at the end of the day, nobody knew what sakura did but the people involved in the war so I don't think there was gonna be any large consequences for her

>>720020141
I warmed up to the True End with time. I just have to ignore Shirou becoming a living puppet with a penis for Sakura to straddle for the rest of her days and focus on Shirou crying as he realizes that he wants to live
>>720020295
Yeah well it would've been cooler if they or literally anyone opposed him

>>719995242 (OP)
He's a cuck and gets with used goods

>>719995242 (OP)
It peaks with UBW. I dropped it at HF so I don't know if it actually got that much worse.

>>720020685
Same.

>>720020685
>I dropped it at HF so I don't know if it actually got that much worse.
Why? HF is the peak of the series
>Illya telling Shirou she'll support him no matter what path he takes when he has a mental breakdown and doesn't know right from wrong anymore
>Shirou's tragic promise to Sakura under the Rain
>The "Can you keep up?" scene
>Shirou releasing the Shroud and facing off against Hercules
>Kotomine vs True Hassan
>Spark Liners High
>Shirou and Medusa vs Medea
>Shirou putting Saber out of her misery
>Rin vs Sakura (aka The Second True Magic vs the Third True Magic)
>Shirou vs Kotomine scene
>The "Do you want to live Shirou?" scene
>The insanely bittersweet normal end

There's so many fucking incredible scenes in HF, anon

>>719995242 (OP)
>Actually the WEAKEST but not really STRONGEST POWERS
Fate is trash

>>719995242 (OP)
He is actually extremely selfish

>>720021901
>Shirou and Medusa vs Medea
don't you mean saber?

>>720020402
Disgusting

>>720021901
you forgot the lorelei song with illya scene

>>720022050
>don't you mean saber?
Yeah, I had a brainfart

>>720020685
>I dropped it at HF
Imagine missing out on this kino

>>720021901
Anon. Did you forget the 12 hours of MMM DELICEIORS JAPNOESE COOKINGU!
HEY SAKURA CHAN WANTS OME FUCKING EGGS?!
WHY RICE IS LIVE!!
in front of that?

this series would be better if there were cool servants instead of some dumb welsh and autistic monsterss half the time

>>720010767
One heir gets the crest, one doesn't. Read Mahoyo for why this becomes a problem
It's the equivalent to setting one child up for the greatest education and future prospects you could ever do and telling the other to go flip burgers at wcdomalds for a living because she's the inferior sister

>>720022321
>because she's the inferior sister
in this case, both sisters were superior but one was older than the other
and apparently sakura was stronger than rin because of the imaginary number magic
although I don't know if that was a matou thing or sakura's own talent

>>720018794
I think there are a handful of servants in fgo who did manage to come out with an interesting arc over the course of their runtime (Achilles, Lakshmibai, and Circe come to mind), but its few and far between
I haven't played fgo since Olympus dropped for NA because I realized I am exactly the kind of person gacha games prey on and was spending money I couldn't afford to, so it's been a while since I looked at it.

What the hell was wrong with Shirou?

>>720022858
he stabbed him in the heart
and he's making moves on his bitches

>>720022858
lancer is a fine man, tho
I would become gay for him

>>720000487
Steins;Gate? Shit and irrelevant.
Redman? Supreme and forever.

>>719995787
>that line in the HF epilogue that references this
I don't care if it was a cheeky reference by mirror moon, it was absolute kino. It felt strangely nostalgic seeing it given that image is how I found out about the Fate Series.

>>719995242 (OP)
Dealing with that personality trait and where it leads to/how to (possibly) move past it is one of the core themes of the VN. So yeah, it gets better but it peaks in the second route.

>>720023138
Trvke Nvke