Thread 720014347

This is the only game that could've convinced Roger Ebert that video games are in fact art. Why this game specifically? Because it's the only game that convincingly transports you into a long gone time period. It's an old west simulator that shouldn't exist in this industry, an impossible 500 million dollar passion project. It's without compromise to its historical setting, a complete anomaly in the medium. Some of my favorite moments include:

>the survival prologue in the harsh, snow covered mountains with the glistening ambient score
>the one mission in Saint Denis where you go through and have a shoot out in an insanely detailed, foggy cemetery at night and it felt like like a Victorian setting horror game
>the southern missions at the Braithwaite manor that you eventually burn down
>getting abducted and tortured by the O'driscolls and the acid western inspired first person scenes/score
>the first mission after the tuberculosis diagnosis where you climb the highest peak in the game with the indian chief and having a transcendent view from up top

All these moments are things you experience first-hand through gameplay. The first game also comes close in some aspects but is too limited on a technical level to really be convincing and transformative.

>>720014347 (OP)
>It's without compromise to its historical setting
lmfao

>>720014347 (OP)
Woke cowboy is so historically accurate

>>720014347 (OP)
>acid western inspired first person scenes
putting you in a different camera mode just to reference movies sounds like the opposite of immersive. It would take me out of the experience.

>>720014347 (OP)
Roger Ebert famously did not like westerns at all.

>>720015121
>It would take me out of the experience
Quite the opposite actually. It's creates a more intimate perspective and also makes you feel powerless. It also doesn't reference any movie in particular but the change in tone and perspective is akin to old acid westerns that used to experiment with conventions.

I swear this game starts feeling like a dream around the time you get kidnapped. The story gets so cartoony and all the side stories get wacky at around the same time. They should've paced the game better because the beginning feels like a completely different game.

>>720014347 (OP)
Gameplay is tedious and boring. I hate horses. But the story and cinematics, interactions and world is really fucking cool.
I've tried and tried to play it, just can't. Rip

Because it's the only game that's so heavily and shamelessly Oscar bait.

>>720015293
rdr 2 and the first one are anti-westerns. The games are primarily about the death of the west and how civilization can't be outrun. Ebert gave unforgiven a perfect score which proves my point. Critics love anti and revisionist westerns.

The only reason why this discussion exists is because of insecure tendies who don't want ~~the entirety of the medium~~ their favorite games to be deemed as pointless time killing busywork for children and want it to be a more socially acceptable activity.

Fuck them and fuck you. I don't call sports art. I don't call casino games like blackjack and baccarat and roulette art. I don't call digital recreations of those activities as art either. So fucking what.

You all can't even agree on the definition of "art" unless it's so nebulous that the word itself becomes meaningless.

>>720015653
The video game equivalents of oscar bait would be the god of war remake or the last of us. For god of war it worked because it got the most prestigious goty award over rdr2 that year. Oscar bait tends to age bad and rdr2 clearly won over gow when it comes to enduring legacy.

If this is art, then art fucking sucks

>>720014347 (OP)
Roger Ebert was the Linkara of his era

>>720015560
Same for me. I was really liking the characters and the scenery was top notch, but the gameplay was some of the very worst AAA games I've played in the last 10 years. Sometimes I wonder if it would be worth it to be a dumbass that way I can enjoy crap like this and be happier.

>>720015560
>>720017221
midwits

>>720014347 (OP)
>convincingly transports
Did every move at half-speed with a 2 second delay 150 years ago? If so, it was very convincing

>>720014347 (OP)
>wild west simulator
why does it take place in the east then?

Who's Roger Ebert

>>720014347 (OP)
>Because it's the only game that convincingly transports you into a long gone time period.
So does Kingdome Come Deliverance

>>720014347 (OP)
i NEED to see sadie tied to the underside of a horse

>>720014347 (OP)
>Wild Woke West murder simulator
>art
You forgot to mention the shrinking horse balls technology.

Marston was a better protagonist and the Mexican missions were goated

>>720025150
Fuck, that's hot.

Rogert Ebert and the discussion around "art" as an abstract indicator of quality is the ultimate product of postmodern bullshit where the sistine chapel would not nowadays be considered a good work as outdated by its conceptual evolution, while a literal piece of shit in a can is considered high art. The death of humankind progress in a framework where progress itself and defiance of rule without any meaning or purpose behind is the goal. An endless cycle of "meta" circlejerking and backstabbing. The day videogames are considered "true art" is the day all you are going to play is unfun "mindblowing" pieces of shit like The Stanley Parable and Getting Over it. I hope games will never be considered true art as that's a good way to gatekeep the postmodern academists who bring in such fartsniffing.

>>720014347 (OP)
Movie games can never be art because they don't take advantage of the one unique aspect of their medium, interaction. Movies games are at best art galleries, in the sense that they store beautiful art pieces (the visuals and the music), but the game as a whole is just a shitty square room devoid of any artistic quality.

>>720015560
The story is terrible. What are you talking about? Arthur was a genocidal maniac, never redeems himself, but the game treats him like a saint.

>>720027181
Anything which happens outside camp or missions is most certainly non-canon, missions are set all next to each other, they spend a couple of weeks in each camp, but those weeks are explicitly stated to pass before the game gives you control

>>720027278
Arthur kills hundreds if not thousands of soldiers and cops just doing their job during the story missions. And the fact that you have to ignore parts of the game for the story to be coherent just shows how badly made it is.

>>720014347 (OP)
>Transports you into the the old west of a democrat voting outlaw
You are a fucking retarded mongoloid

>>720027665
>Arthur kills hundreds if not thousands of soldiers and cops
Criminals consider them to be "in the game", and necessary for survival. Yes it might seem hypocrite to you and me, but to them, they are a revolutionary force, and they are soldiers of the oppressor state.

>>720027768
The ones pushing for emancipation were the republicans, Lincoln was republican

>>720014347 (OP)
He would slap the shit out of you OP and he would drink your blood for resurrecting him for that presentism-filled garbage

>>720027780
That doesn't mean Dutch's gang are correct in their view. They are just criminal scum rationalizing their degeneracy, yet the game is constantly "oh Arthur, you're such a good man."

>>720027934
>what is a revisionist western
Midwit. All the greatest western fiction is either anti or revisionist.

>>720027956
The point was that despite Dutch and Hosea's grooming, Arthur's nature came out in wishing to help others. Arthur himself thought that was bullshit until he saw Dutch and his sisyphean efforts for what they were in the last chapter. The point is not that he was a saint, but that he chose to fight to make his friends safe rather than for greed. The indian chief is meant to hammer that to your head, as he was similar to his son in his youth, but decided violence to be a fool errand when he became elderly, and sees Arthur as a parallel of his who couldn't quite leave violence behind but was coming to the same spiritual growth

>>720014347 (OP)
>It's without compromise to its historical setting, a complete anomaly in the medium.
but this exactly isn´t the case. It´s compromised for the sake of not scaring normies. brownies or women in general.

Would it be true to the historical setting, we´d hear a lot more of "nigger", women wouldn´t be treated with the respect the main character is forced to. Indian reservoirs woudln´t be a gun-free zone. The indians would be painted as retarded savages and not nobles.
Arthur wouldn´t be such a hypocrate like he´s now unfortunetaly.

>>720028173
Leave it anon, this board is unironically to dumb to understand the writing of a normie moviegame. They just want to bash it for anti-/pol/ thoughtcrimes.

>>720028076
Fuckwit. This is one has modern day troonlib moral preaching included. It's a stain on the genre.

>>720028173
He was always helping others and used that as a justification to go on a murdering spree, in that sense he never changed. And he actually sticks with Dutch until the very end, doing his bidding and killing hundreds of people in the process. As for the Indian chief, the difference is that he sticks to his word and always chooses a peaceful option. Arthur does not mirror this trait.

>>720028668
>He was always helping others and used that as a justification to go on a murdering spree, in that sense he never changed
I guess that's up to you to decide which side was an excuse for which by funneling him into one ending or the other

>>720014347 (OP)
>movie-game slop
>the mocap is aggressively mediocre
>writing quality of a D-tier Western
>cutscene direction is barely decent by Hollywood standards
>it takes ages for the plot to get moving

>>720028703
I thought the money lending missions were well done in chapter 6, only for them to be completely contradicted by one of the story missions later on where you kill dozens of young soldiers trying to apprehend the colonel helping the Indians. I'm sorry but that is hard to buy as moral growth

>>720028797
>by Hollywood standards
this means jack shit, Hollywood hasn't delivered quality inn two decades

>Because it's the only game that convincingly transports you into a long gone time period. It's an old west simulator
No. The second a woman would ever think about acting uppity and ranting about feminism in the old west she would get shot, beaten, raped and murdered in that order. And criminals never gave a shit about being BETTER MEN.

>>720029118
Who gives a fuck, Westerns have a high standard and this is bottom of the barrel tier

nah reddit slop cuckdemption is moviegame garbage

Real cowboy fans play call of juarez gunslinger, not this faggy slop for bitches.

>>720016124
The only type of art zoomers can stand is the gay furry porn and AI slop

>>720014347 (OP)
Decide to play rdr2 on my PC
>Usually die with one bullet in and out of missions
>Ask for job in the salloon, the sallon guy tells me to clean the wood stove. I caught myself on fire while cleaning it and died
>Find a guy whos into gunslingers and want to make a book about them. He gives me some photos. As I was checking one of the photos outside the saloon, a dirty guy got pissed off and started punching me. I responded, but I messed up the controls and killed him with my pistol. Then the other people killed me with their guns
>Some thieves chased me to strawberry. I had to kill one of them inside a goods store. I got bounty from that and the store closed its doors.
>Decide to deliver a horse as a job. On my way to the delivery point, I came across a sick guy. As I stepped down from the horse to give this guy medicine, the fucking horse ran away from me. I was chasing and chasing it, but eventually I had to put it down because it wouldn't stop running away from me.
Is rdr2 supposed to be this hard, or are the mods doing some fucky stuff with the gameplay? I like the game so far btw

I pirated this game, played it for like 5 mins, then uninstalled.

>>720028470
>unironically to dumb to
>to dumb
Redarded nigger

>>720030438
It's one of the hardest games ever. There's a skip mission mechanic for a reason.