Thread 720029496

>bro I know you just found a save point and most likely used a tent to fill up your HP/MP and since there are no random encounters here so you would never get hurt again but just rest inside this random seashell house so that a hologram fish will turn into a hologram staircase without any explanation at all, now you can use that staircase to find Aerith in the Forgotten City
Not in a million years could you figure this shit out on your own, did people just read it from a gaming/strategy magazine or was it word of mouth?

it was 1997, we had the internet, i used gamefaqs whenever i got stuck

>>720029496 (OP)
i never played this shit and gay game, should i start with remake instead?

>>720029610
no, just play the pc version of the original, it's got mods that fix some of the clunkiness.

>what people who played the games when they were new mean when they say that old games were strategy guide bait
breeding the golden chocobo, excalibur 2 in ff9, that meme chest weapon in ff12
>what the retarded underage in 2025 believe
finishing a clear cut easy linear jrpg main story millions of children beat with no issues

>>720029496 (OP)
>Seems pretty weird that we were directed to this place and nothing seems to be advancing the story, might as well take a rest and see if anything happens
Be glad it wasn't like Tales of Destiny where they straight up give you the wrong answer for a password

>>720029496 (OP)
>Not in a million years
Literally less than 2 minutes of looking around and you'll see it.
God damn zoomer brains are toast. I don't even hate them, I just feel sorry for them.

>>720029496 (OP)
>noooooo not a tent how could i ever survive without my precious tent!!!!

Always amazes me to see adults not being embarrassed to admit they find something too confusing or difficult in a game that millions - literally millions - of children were able to complete without issue.

>>720029496 (OP)
>a hologram fish will turn into a hologram staircase without any explanation at all
The remake should fix this by explaining it through logs you gather during a dozen fetchquests given to you by a black NPC.
Finally the hologram fish plothole will be fixed and the story will be greatly improved.

>>720030178
Not sure if you didn't read the OP or if you're just mentally retarded.

>>720029496 (OP)
addendum to >>720030025, it's been a long time since I played through that section so I watched a let's play of it
when you stumble upon the rest area the other team members suggest resting, that's a blatant appeal to the player to do something specific
after you rest Cloud gets up and says Sephiroth is somewhere there so that's a clear prompt for you to investigate the area again
if you try to leave Cloud remarks that they have to find Aeris
when you get to the main area Cloud says he hears Aeris' voice and the camera is pointed at the middle path pointed towards the back which leads to the shell with the weird fish but when you enter the shell you can see the fish disappeared and now there are stairs

>>720029496 (OP)
You should play FF5 OP

>>720030125
>Literally less than 2 minutes of looking around and you'll see it.
You'll see what?

>>720029496 (OP)
I was 12 and there were no guides back then. What are you a game journalist?

>>720030841
It's impossible to go anywhere else and yet it's still not clear enough for OP

No wonder we need yellow paint

>>720030279
You joke but it's amazing how many people unironically think this way.

The remakes can redo something from the original in a way that makes everything worse, but as long as it explains something that never needed explaining, they'll consider it an objective improvement over the original. All they care about is information. An explanation for the fish hologram, no matter how retarded or boring, and no matter how tediously presented, is BETTER than the original, which is BAD because it DOESN'T EXPLAIN.

>>720031294
That it is the only thing you can even try out anymore. There is no location to travel to with the Bronco but Bone Village and the Capital. These games were very railroaded even back then. You explore the capital, check the "houses", then conclude all there's left to try is go to sleep. You do, game continues.

>>720031637
I know what you mean, but this is largely a cultural difference. Japanese are content with the fact that something is, americans obsess about why something is. You know, story vs. plot.

>>720029610
Emulate the og on Playstation emulator. Then watch Advent Children and play/watch Crisis Core. Remake and Rebirth expects you are familiar with the OG and introduces things from AC and CC and even Dirge of Cerberus

>>720030841
>when you stumble upon the rest area the other team members suggest resting
That's because normally in the game you can only rest at save points or by talking to an NPC inside an inn, how else would you know the room lets you rest if the party members didn't make some kind of a remark on it? Again it's just not logical why the player would rest there if you have full health and mana. Is there any reason why the holographic fish exists in the first place, why wouldn't the stairs always be there?

>>720030279
>>720031637
>>720032281
There is no hologram fish in Rebirth, it's almost as if it makes no sense for the fish to be there.

>>720029610
No.
The remake is some bad marvel multiverse fan fiction.

>>720030025
>>720030178
>>720029496 (OP)

God I love old school JRPGs so much bros. How does modern slop even compare?

>>720032281
no thats nonsense. its extra retarded because they basedmakes are made by japs.
this is just game creators jumping the shark and caving in to fandom wiki brains, which exist everywhere, but should be ignored.

>>720032969
Thank goodness they identified that huge mistake in the original and took action.

>>720032890
>Is there any reason why the holographic fish exists in the first place, why wouldn't the stairs always be there?
I hope you know that you're the reason everything is so fucking boring nowadays.

>>720032890
the fact there is a prompt already is the clue. at least that is how I understood it as a kid. Also back then in the PS1 era it wasn't uncommon going from SNES to 3D games to check for false walls. Imagine thinking that it was a cool souls concept when Tower of Druaga existed.

Sorry there's no compass marker to follow like a retarded donkey chasing a carrot, we had to just explore and work it out for ourselves. It's better you stick to your modern games designed to appeal to as many npcs as possible for maximum profit.

>>720033346
They do it because they want to make it appealing to western audiences.

>>720029561
no, we had strategy guides, the internet was for chatting with 40 year old predators in aol chatrooms

>>720033346
What >>720033953 said, they literally design the games now with a "global audience in mind" so that affects the writing as well

>>720029496 (OP)
I got past it without internet to tell me how. So can you!

>>720034283
Which is ironic, because the appeal of far eastern media is precisely that it approaches storytelling differently.

>>720029610
yes

>>720029496 (OP)
I just beat FF IV. What game should I go for next? I already played VI, VII, IX, and X.

>>720033062
Played Grandia one and two a bit ago for the first time.
Pure gold.

>>720035142
VIII

>>720034972
Yup, it's a stupid mindset, losing one of the unique aspects of the franchise.

>>720029610
no. play the original on duckstation. masturbate violently to ONE-WINGED ANGEL.

>>720029561
There was no internet in 1997.

>>720029610
Both are solid good. Play starting with whatever interests you more. Dont believe in /v/ lies.

back then you had one game that you played for like 6 months and you'd look in every nook and cranny. it wasn't just something to tick off your backlog

>>720034069
>>720036754
Nta but there absolutely was internet in 1997. I was there and I had it. You just had to be American, white, and not poor to have it. A big part of why the internet was better in those days.

>>720036754
i built a final fantasy fansite 7 on geocities for my class assignment in 1997

>>720036754
>There was no internet in 1997.
There was internet when Tifa's still in a 1993 eroge and not even exists in ff7

>>720036754
>the internet didn't exist until china started flooding india with poorly made smartphones circa 2008
Thanks for your input Ranjeesh.

>>720029610
Fuck no you retard. The original is available and plays just fine, the remake is basically Polar Express version of FF7

>>720029496 (OP)
AAAHHHHGGG what the fuck happened to CheatCC.com? I feel like I was there only last year to check an old code - now it's all gone and it's articles?

The old internet used to be so much easier to navigate and enjoy.

>>720037960
Any boomers here? I'm distraught.

>>720038447
Boomer here. I'd bitch about the absolute state of thr modern internet but I need to finish my ffxiv dailies before football starts.

>>720038447
>>720038625
Absolute tragedy. What the fuck were they thinking? Who even reads gaming articles anymore? What a bazar choice to nuke it.

Pic related is the Nigger that ruined the nearly 30 year old website in place of GAMING ARTICLES that are likely plagerized.
>Cedric "Jazz" Stewart is a gaming journalist and multimedia creator passionate about storytelling, game design, and deep-dive analysis. When not writing for CheatCC, they develop indie games, produce music. and create video essays on gaming history and design.

I encourage everyone to flood their in-box with your thoughts.

>>720039337
TOTAL. ZOOMER. DEATH.

CheatCC.

>>720029496 (OP)
Allow me to explain:
The vast majority of early RPGs requires the player to go to the local tavern or inn and ask the owner questions in order to get necessary information. Most JRPGs, being inspired by these games, maintained this vital progression mechanic in various ways.

Whenever you see a place to sleep or stop to chat with people, take it.

>>720036754
imagine living in a bum fuck country. Australia had accessible internet back then 56k goodness.

>>720037960
shouldn't there be a wayback machine that has all of it archived?

>>720039652
>shouldn't there be a wayback machine that has all of it archived?

>>720039652
Kill yourself, "Jazz".

>>720039652
They burnt down a beautiful library and put a homeless encampment on top.

>>720029496 (OP)
All you needed to do was to explore a little bit. I literally never had an issue at this exact point in game lmao

>>720029496 (OP)
This was the only thing to do, so while it took seven or so minutes to discover, it was pretty easy. What was the only difficult puzzle in the game and which took many hours was finding Don Corneo in Wutai, because there were very many locations there, the locations also had hidden rooms, so you're more likely to scour them over and over in case you missed something after all and the gong isn't at all obvious about being interactable or that its area can expand in such a way.

>>720039652
Here's the other "editor"
>Matt Karoglou is a Writer and Editor at CheatCC.com, covering topics ranging the full breadth of the gaming industry but with a special focus on RPGs, retro games, indie games, and survival horror. Matt has been writing about and researching video games and the gaming industry for 9 years and holds a Master's Degree in Instructional Design & Technology from Georgia State University. A resident of Georgia, Matt is a musician and enjoys writing, rehearsing, and performing live music as well as collecting vinyl records.

>is a onions boy Star Wars fan
>destroys a piece of history
>is a liberal
TOTAL GAMING JOURNALIST DEATH

>>720040050
Feel free to write them and let them know how you feel about the changes to CheatCC.com.
I know zoomers won't understand, which is really the point of this thread, but it was sites like CC that had a community that compiled and organized all of this information across every single console generation.

>>720036754
I recently read an old manga where the author asked for fans to email her, in 1995 lol

>>720040000
To play Nihong games, you must understand the robot-insect-like minds of the Nihong. East Asians solve problems by brute forcing every possible solution. To them, it is fun to repetitively and mindlessly play a game, restarting when they reach a dead end or die. It matters not if the cause is illogical or unfair. Once you understand this, you can play Nihong gaymes.

>>720040139
>zoomers don't care about things they haven't experienced
>therefore we will never have good times again, only worse times
THANKS ZOOMERS.