Thread 720034062

>On paper, the Nintendo Switch 2's backward compatibility is a welcome feature that lets you revisit Switch 1 games in two ways. One method, simply popping an old game into the new system, lets you play, but the title isn't guaranteed a performance boost. In fact, it may play worse. The second method? Native Switch 2 Editions of previously released games, such as Civilization VII, Fortnite, and Hogwarts Legacy, that bring titles designed for the original, underpowered system up to par with their versions on other platforms. However, there aren't many of those. Although I didn't expect Nintendo to sunset the Nintendo Switch 1 any time soon, I did expect more titles to leverage the Nintendo Switch 2's power. But after IGN Live, Summer Game Fest, two Nintendo Directs, and Gamescom, a surprising trend has emerged: A notable lack of cross-platform titles optimized for the Switch 2. With its current implementation, Nintendo's backward compatibility is more of a curse than a blessing.

https://www.pcmag.com/opinions/nintendos-backward-compatibility-is-ruining-the-switch-2

Reposting an article is not a thread it might as well be an ad

shit opinion.

nintensissies...........................

Did this faggot also say that PS5 backwards compatibility is ruining it?

>backwards compatability is le bad because there's no performance patch

How retarded is this guy?

the backwards compatibility is the only reason i bought the console. my old switch had a dying battery and i just used the switch 2 as an excuse to buy a replacement. I hadnt been using my switch for almost 2 year before getting my switch 2 but with the new console i was able to transfer all my old save data and export my eshop library to play my games again.

I’m glad I was able to sell my shitch 2 last week

>>720034062 (OP)
>game journo has shit opinion
This surely warranted a thread...

>>720034239
Ps5 actually had upgraded versions that is the problem

>Backwards compatibility is....LE BAD
This is peak NDS right here

>>720034351
The problem is there are no games taking advantage of the new hardware. Why did we bother spending money on a new console when it just plays switch 1 games with no improvements

>>720034389
Fair enough man it would just be nice if these games played better on the new hardware that we paid for

>>720034854
If you could look at the situation objectively we could have a discussion on the issue that Nintendo has fostered in their eco system. But you just want to close your eyes and scream about bullshit, get the fuck out of my thread you child.

>>720035004
dont care nigger
you want to shit up /v/ with console war garbage, i'll shit up your thread in turn

>>720034921
but then you would not be getting the authentic nintendo switch experience.

>>720035057
Do you not wish there were more updates to games that justify the console upgrade? If you can’t even have a rational discussion about video games on a video game forum why are you even here

>>720035115
I would like an authentic switch 2 experience, that’s why I spent money on the new console.

>>720035004
You have to be the biggest retard to even think this is a problem in the first place, let alone write a shitty article on it.
>>720034863
>only three months into the switch 2's life
>already one game that uses ray tracing when everyone else expected no game to use it in the first two years of its life

>>720035201
It’s not a problem that there are no switch 2 versions of the vast majority of games releasing? How can you even justify that

>>720035281
If nintendo didn't put in backwards compatibility at all no third party dev would would give a shit about updating their games to work natively on switch 2 in the first place. Do not think this is a problem nintendo created themselves. It all about cost-to-profit ratios third party devs follow like a religion.

>>720035004
>>720035131
>>720035281
Nobody seemed to mind about the PS5 unable to go beyond the limitations of the PS4 ports when running them (such as Bloodborne at a steady but locked 30fps), in the same fashion of what the Switch 2 doing with the Switch 1 games. Again, the amount of double standards between the two companies from the journalists and online grifters/shitposters is pretty obvious

>>720035490
That’s one example, the overwhelming majority of cross gen titles got upgrades on the ps5. This is not relevant at all to the switch 2 situation

>>720035447
Way to miss the point entirely

>>720035586
We got Switch 1 games from the third-parties receiving 'Switch 2 edition upgrades' such as
>Romancing Saga 2 remake
>A-Train All Aboard Tourism
>Hollow Knight Silksong
>Exit 8
>Yakuza Kiwami 1
>No Man's Sky
>Dragon Quest 3 HD
And I'm pretty sure the list will increase in numbers over time, since we're just barely 3 months into the console's life, just like it was likely the case with the PS5.

>>720034863
You bought it to play “new” switch 2 games you fucking retard. It being able to play past games just means you don’t have to carry 2 systems with you. Holy fuck.

>>720035709
I hope so man, these publishers are so fucking lazy and will use any excuse not to put more time or money into ports. So I fear that they will just ship switch 1 ports and be done with it

>>720035640
Your point is nigger tier in the first place because you didn't use your brain enough to think up multiple possibilities. Instead you were sticking with your own personal tunnel vision like a faggot. Suck it up or get off the internet.

>>720034863
Because I bought a fucking Switch 2 for Donkey Kong Bananza and Mario Kart World. Yes, it's nice that a few games have an automatic boost, and it's nice that stuff like Zelda got a patch but I'm not expecting it on every game. Especially since more and more devs insist on using Unreal Dogshit Engine.

>>720035789
If you are just going to feign ignorance and respond with low effort trite like this with no shred of nuance don’t bother responding at all

>Pcmag
Into the trash it goes

>>720035885
Alright well I’m glad that you are enjoying it so far and that it’s enough for you, I hope the direct rumors for next week are true and you get some announcements that will make you happy as well

>Backwards compatibility is bad
>Selling your game for only $20 is bad
Gaming journalism was already terrible but it feels like it's really gone off the deep end lately

>>720034062 (OP)
>In fact, it may play worse.
>no examples
>Nintendo had a studio checking every single game for compatability to ensure nothing detrimental happens
Bollocks, all of it

>>720035973
>trash
Right next to the switch 2 library

>>720036198
The issue is they use the switch 1 resolution (720) stretched to fit the 1080p switch 2 screen with no upscaling so they look bad

>>720034863
Especially because the games run at 720p and then have to be rescaled to 1080p and thus are blurry.

>>720034062 (OP)
Dumb. The Switch has one of the best libraries of any console, ever, and launching with all that on a new console is a huge boon. I bought a Switch 2 at release and did nothing but play Switch 1 games on it for weeks. The TOTK upgrade alone is worth it. Yes, not every indie hentai puzzle deck builder game has a NS2 update, but they all run.

>>720036291
Yes exactly, I ran into similar issues with a couple of games on the steam deck that were not updated properly and I could not even read the text. It’s really shitty

>>720036353
Would be great if we could play the impressive switch 1 library on the new console without it stretching 720p onto a 1080p screen making it blurry wouldn’t it?

>>720034062 (OP)
>fuck Nintendo and their...
>*spins roulette*
>...backwards compatibility
>*AI generates article*

>>720036446
You are a vapid simpleton who contributes nothing to discussion or society, if you cannot form a coherent thought leave my thread

>>720034062 (OP)
>pro-consumer feature is le bad because...
man the journos ain't your friends. They're using you.

>>720036595
I pity your lack of reading comprehension, I’m sorry that the public school system has failed you

>retarded journalist has abysmal opinions
Being a journalist should result in the death penalty

>>720035004
>we could have a discussion on the issue that Nintendo has fostered in their eco system.
If there was an issue you would have mentioned it instead of filling your post up work nothings like a child desperate to be taken seriously.

Can Switch 2 run Fire Emblem Three Houses at a framerate that don't go below 10-20 fps or should I stick with emulating?
>inb4 the usual cope "it's a turnbased game it doesn't need to run at a good framerate!"
Yes it does.

>>720036528
>>720036632
Hey Zack, gaming urinalism is not a real job.

>>720035586
>the overwhelming majority of cross gen titles got upgrades on the ps5.
Much like the majority of cross gen titles on Switch 2.

>>720036794
Raise your standards anon.

>>720036640
That is too swift of an end

>>720036794
Thank you for posting an actually real reply lol, people on here are ridiculous. I have not tried that game in particular but from my experience games that had frame drops on switch 1 are more stable on 2 even without a patch. They just don’t have upgraded resolution of 60 fps but you should at least get locked 30

>>720036761
Maybe read the OP you mongoloid

>>720034062 (OP)
>>720034863
seething tendie replies, lmao
it's pure fact that every single Switch1 game plays like 1 on 2. The rare performance boost are those games that even struggled to maintain 30fps on S1.
Maybe it's related to the lack of S2 devkits that nobody can optimize their shit for S2. Also what new S2 games? Right now, Switch2 is following the steps of PS5.

>>720036806
>urinalism
Is this one of those new age religions?

>>720037104
I appreciate your sentiment and response but I’m trying to leave the console war crap out of the discussion and actually talk about this issue. But it seems like nobody is willing or able to do so here

>>720037062
You mean the op that talks about an issue that doesn't exist?
Maybe if you had read it you would have known that.

>>720037114
Yes new religion out of India sir. Very unpopular sir.

>>720034062 (OP)
How is this a problem? That's how it always worked.
Hell most games on PS4 run just as bad on ps5, this isn't anything new.

>>720037259
How can you say with a straight face that the issue does not exist? The article even uses the new shinobi and ninja gaiden games an examples, side scrollers running at 30 fps on the new console is unacceptable

>>720036902
I wouldn't be playing video games, or be on 4chan if I had standards.

>>720037370
>How can you say with a straight face that the issue does not exist?
Because that's how backwards compatibility has always worked you dumbass.

I hate c*nsoles so much

>>720037341
Praise the mighty urinal cake, please forward all donations to my outhouse

>>720037442
*gets sacrificed to the toilet witch*

>>720037417
Again, missing the point. I just want devs to patch their ports to run better on the switch 2. I didn’t think this was a controversial opinion

>>720037487
Noo00oo00 who will feed rakesh

>>720037495
It was always going to be a controversial opinion because you're asking them to drop everything to work on an old game, that's not going to happen.

>>720037495
Anon, if they didn't do it for most PS5 titles what made you think that they're going to do it for switch 2 titles.

>>720037635
I’m not even talking about old games man, I just mentioned shinobi and ninja gaiden that were cross platform releases. Imagine if silksong released only with a switch 1 version that ran at 720p 30fps on switch 2? People would be rightfully pissed

>>720037693
But they did? This isn’t even hyperbole, every major third party release that was cross gen came with a ps

>>720037693
>>720037803
Ps5 upgrade*

>>720037495
Look, I would like to have a dedicated patch for certain Switch games like Kingdom Come Deliverance or Serious Sam 3, but I have sincere doubts these devs would bother with these old games and not because of some weird coping mechanism of "Nintendo doesn't send enough NSW2 dev kits"

>>720037868
Yeah I agree I understand old games not getting a patch, I think the most egregious ones are the releases that are day and date with other platforms like the two that I mentioned shinobi and ninja gaiden. It’s just really frustrating

>>720037946
>I think the most egregious ones are the releases that are day and date with other platforms like the two that I mentioned shinobi and ninja gaiden
Some devs are just going to stick with the bare minimum, the same reason why the PC platform absolutely sucks for Japanese console games despite being the "strongest platform" in theory

>>720037745
>>720037946
Blame the fucking third party devs themselves then you nigger. Clearly you refuse to see the forest for the trees. Which is why at least half of the anons who posted in this thread are shitting on you while you flail around pretending your smart instead of the room temperature IQ shitskin you truly are.

>>720038057
I know and it pisses me off to no end. They would get so many more sales if they released them properly, all it takes is a patch we aren’t asking for a remaster here. Just tweak the resolution and fps like they do on pc versions. It’s especially shitty for Nintendo because people will just buy the game elsewhere when they could have gotten the sale. I’d like switch 2 to be my main platform for certain games that are good portably but I can’t bring myself to settle for inferior versions

>ackshually having backwards compatibility is le bad
>ackshually selling your indie game $20 is le bad
Are journos ok?

>>720034863
>switch 1 games with no improvements
retard

>>720037216
I didn't even mention PS5 in a positive light, but the braindead fanatics won't care. You can't discuss shit normally here (anymore).
The console warring got far worse since every critic is automatically assumed to be part of the other camp and they shit out auto-reply templates.
Can't even tell anymore if the most pathetic replies aren't just strawman.

I was looking forward to S2 backwards compatibility, to replay MHRise, which is plagued with low res, dithering and framedrops. I expected at lease 60fps, a zero effort upgrade. Then there are all those games that run or look like shit on Switch Witcher, Wolfenstein, Mortal Kombat, Outer Worlds, Hogwarts and only Hogwarts got an upgrade.
We know what they could look, because Switch2 should be slightly stronger than Deck, but those games look much better on Deck.

>>720037635
>drop everything
most of these games have pc versions, they only need to up the graphics, do a quick test and publish this.

>>720038175
Bro I am blaming them too I even mentioned that the publishers are lazy and use any excuse to not invest more money into a port. This is a systemic issue that falls on both the publishers and Nintendo, I’m not blaming just Nintendo here. I’m just saying regardless of whose fault it is they need to fix this shit, we should not be expected to pay for inferior versions of games. Idk why you are getting so pissed at me I’m advocating for you as a fellow consumer

>>720038292
I know man this shit is frustrating, I’m not trying to shit on anyone for their choice of console or whatever I just want things to be better for all of us so I’m trying to speak out about it btw did you see that you can buy the hogwarts switch 1 version for super cheap and get the switch 2 upgrade for like 22 dollars? Instead of paying for the switch 2 version

>>720038257
Appreciate your insightful response

ENTER

>>720038252
What are you on about bro can you even read?

>>720038693
Objection, relevance?

>>720038659
Hope you use it to be less retarded in the future, lil bro.

>>720038790
Playing everything for free in without worrying about backwards compatible because you weren't dumb enough to buy a Switch 2.

>>720038852
I’ll try buddy

>>720038896
Alright but have you considered Herbalife?

Lots of disingenuous retards around here, must be the hour
The Switch 1 games hold their FPS as intended on 2 but there are no improvements to resolution, even games that were made with dynamic resolution in mind do it on S2 so imagine how it feels playing Xenoblade 2 running at it's lowest resolution on a giant ass 1080p screen.
I know for you faggots has become a habit for Nintendo to drip feed you shit everty month but I'm afraid they'll also drip feed performance patches in the future too.

Anyone else think DK is kind of boring?

>>720039380
You're going to cry about Nintendo for another eight years.

>>720039470
Yes because I want them to improve and not become stagnant because the other two can't do shit for their lives and you faggots keep enabling all this half assed shit by deflecting every single criticism

>>720039380
For real man I don’t get it, can’t even have a discussion without these freaks posting nonsense with 10 layers of irony refusing to even engage with the subject matter. I feel like I’m on Twitter. These people have to be trolls because I really can’t fathom that anyone could be so willfully blind and quick to anger just because they don’t like or agree with an opinion

>>720034921
Generally they do. They either load faster or run at a stable resolution/framerate even if that have had no patch at all.
https://sammed05.github.io/switch-2-game-update-tracker/
This is the closest thing the Switch 2 has to Backwards Compatible and you can see just how many games that have been reported are better on the thing.

Even the PS5 is just running the games at the equivalent of PS4 Pro's Boost Mode when doing backwards compatible stuff and enables basically the same thing for PS4 Pro patched games that have unstable framerates or something like that. They had to make separate PS5 versions to take advantage of the hardware and that took years to do.

>>720039470
Just fuck off man people like you have ruined this site

When are we getting the XCX patch?!

>>720038186
>I’d like switch 2 to be my main platform for certain games that are good portably but I can’t bring myself to settle for inferior versions
eh it's nowhere alike to the Playstation Vita back when there were really huge downgrades for a good chunk of the library, such as Gundam Breaker 3, Gal*Gun, the Atelier Mysterious trilogy (and the rest of Koei-Tecmo titles once the publisher ditched the PS3 to instead focus on the PS4), etc. The OG Switch had a couple of rough ports but not anywhere close to that extent, to my own experience.

Even then, the retro-compatibility on Switch 2 being able to improve the framerate &resolution dips as well as the loading times by default is pretty nice in itself. I've been able to complete Resident Evil 6 (it's a constant 60fps on NSW2 vs the PS3-tier slowdowns on the OG Switch) and Little Nightmares 1 (loading times were reduced from 30 seconds for each death to 8 seconds) thanks to these base improvements for instance. Sure it could be even better if certain devs could fix their ports further, like XCOM2 which still suffers of memory leaks (albeit it just drops the framerate a lot on Switch 2 instead of outright crashing like on the OG Switch).

>>720039520
You're improving Nintendo by moaning on an anonymous image board where the OP is blatant misinformation?

>>720039470
People have been laughing at Nintendo and tendies for decades, this will never change.

>>720039609
Yes I agree with this I mentioned earlier that games are more stable on switch 2. I just wish we got more resolution and framerate upgrades. My main point however was that cross platform releases are the biggest issue, check out my example here >>720037745

Appreciate your input though

wow the OP is still going and talking to an audience of nobody
only nintendo can cause this

>>720039745
Go be stupid somewhere else, I am trying to have an actual discussion here. If you can’t act like a human being for 5 minutes kindly fuck off

>>720039745
This place is infested with legit Nintendo marketers so might as well whine here where they actually can see shit people asking for in the sea of console warring and blatant fanboyism, right?

>>720039795
I'm with you on that one that they shouldn't rely on the BC bump and that's it for new releases, but the PS5 was also in this exact same situation (and still kind of is at times, Elden Ring for example). It does suck that 720p is the max a lot of games can go and it can look bad, but docked gets rid of that issue in basically all cases and is more of a handheld issue. All they would really need to do to address this is simply make it so that Switch 1 games default to docked on the Switch 2 and you'd get the 1080p experience with better graphical fidelity on top of the better performance and load times.

It's honestly baffling docked mode isn't enabled by default during the BC, I don't see the point of a handheld mode for S1 games as it's objectively a downgrade. They could easily just add it as a toggle to the Quick Menu in case it actually does perform worse.

>>720039830
>wow *completely retarded nonsense*
Only autism can cause this

>>720039830
He's samefagging with AI posts and bumping his thread after minutes of inactivity. The fact that he thinks no one realizes this is kind of cute.

>>720036276
Ok but that's not playing worse

>>720036794
Not sure about 3 houses, but the musou games do run at 60FPS

>>720039876
I was asking a serious question but it seems to have really struck a nerve. You have an issue with calling out misinformation?

>>720034062 (OP)
>according to a recent report
>the report is someone telling someone told him that someone told him that
>meanwhile all indies are already releasing games

>>720040010
That’s a really good point, that would be a really solid solution barring actual upgrades. I wonder if the switch translation layer/emulation prevents this for some reason. I have to think that they would have considered that if it was an option but idk I’m not a software engineer

>>720040105
Shinobi and ninja gaiden are both multi platform releases that only run at 720p 30 fps because they did not release switch 2 versions

>>720040010
>All they would really need to do to address this is simply make it so that Switch 1 games default to docked on the Switch 2 and you'd get the 1080p experience with better graphical fidelity on top of the better performance and load times.
>It's honestly baffling docked mode isn't enabled by default during the BC, I don't see the point of a handheld mode for S1 games as it's objectively a downgrade. They could easily just add it as a toggle to the Quick Menu in case it actually does perform worse.
I assume that enabling the "NSW1 Docked mode" would raise the wattage of the Switch 2 in portable mode (when the BC already has a slightly higher power consumption compared to the OG Switch), and thus reduce the battery life further. Or probably some kind of issue happening if you swap between docked & portable modes in-game while this hypothetical option is enabled.

Not that I disagree with the idea though.

>>720034863
The problem is some games have coded limits, which is why some games benefit from the hardware and some dont.

>>720040359
Yeah it has to be some where quirk with the api and translation layer because it would be such a seemingly easy win

>>720040473
Yes exactly, that’s why I am bitching about the lack of upgrade patches/switch 2 versions

>>720040098
Go ahead and explain what exactly was misinformation.

>>720040712
From the OP
>In fact, it may play worse.
Without any known example of this

>>720040804
All of the games that run at 720p stretched to the 1080p screen without upscaling causing blurry and stretched IQ are in fact worse experiences. And this applies to all switch 1 games that were not updated to run on switch2.

It shouldn't have had backwards compatbility so that nintendo would be forced to make more new games and not gay switch 2 edition shit

>>720041141
I don’t think that’s an ideal solution. Backwards compatibility is certainly nice to have, but there should be more of a push to update these games

>>720034062 (OP)
>backwards compatibility bad because bingtendo doesn't put in any effort

>>720040928
>All of the games that run at 720p stretched to the 1080p screen without upscaling causing blurry and stretched IQ are in fact worse experiences.

Worse experiences mean that they would've had bugs and glitches that didn't exist before, worse performance, inputs failures and graphical fuckups. Not because nintendo didn't use a fucking upscaler that sidesteps limits due nobody seeing the fucking future.
>>720041141
You can say the same thing about both Microsoft and Sony. Remember the PS3 and Xbox 360's backwards compatibility?

>>720040928
That's not an example of them playing worse.
Playing worse would mean something detrimental to performance or interrupts gameplay and as we've already clarified, if you're in docked mode then being at the wrong resolution is a non-issue.
This is also something that can fall on the developer/publisher of those individual games, not solely Nintendo who has enabled the compatibility for them.

>>720040091
Even age of calamity? I'd be impressed if that game runs at a stable framerate giving how bad the switch 1 version was.

>>720041295
Those are certainly examples of worse experiences yes, I’m not asking for anyone to sidestep limits man I’m literally just asking for patches or switch 2 versions of games to take advantage of the new console. I don’t think that is asking for too much

>>720041450
I actually did try this one recently and it is much more stable. Resolution is still rough though

>>720041450
Its capped, so no fps boost but it should be a more stable 30fps.

>>720041450
Yes. HWDE is 1080p 60 FPS with no drops while AoC is 810p stable resolution at 30 FPS with no drops to my knowledge. The downside is it can never hit 1080p due to the dynamic resolution so 810p is the highest it can go even when docked.

>>720041341
I agree that the blame does not fall solely on Nintendo man I never alluded to that, I called out publishers multiple times in this thread. I don’t care who is responsible for the problem I just want it fixed so that we all get a better experience. We shouldn’t be expected to pay for inferior products because of our platform of choice

>>720040324
Both are 2D games and neither have an excuse to be running at 30FPS even on Switch 1, the devs did a shit job with optimization, simple as.

>>720041587
Oh shit I didn’t know that the first one was 1080 60 fps that’s cool, I hope it gets a good sale for the holiday season

>>720041895
lol that’s a good point but it’s especially bad for them to be running like that on switch 2

>>720041702
>We shouldn’t be expected to pay for inferior products because of our platform of choice
We have been since at least the Wii and Vita. Devs target PS5, Xbone X, and PC because that's where the general market is at. Nintendo has always been the outlier they use for experimental titles or money grabs and tons of ports release years later and usually worse despite typically selling more than other platforms.
>Wii versions of games were basically unrecognizable ports or even brand new editions just because the Wii couldn't handle games.
>Wii U versions of games were a coin toss if they were even better than PS3/360 versions of games let alone on par with Xbone/PS4 and in some cases they had ports that were years out of date like the Assassin's Creed games.
>Vita versions of games were only better if they were compared to a 3DS version (Lego games for example) and usually dragged down simultaneous releases of games like the Digimon games or World of Final Fantasy into dealing with its limitations.

The Switch 1 was and still is used as something you throw games onto for more sales generally while the bigger hitters are left to the current gen. It gets multiplats but you shouldn't really use it for multiplats if that makes any sense. It's fine for indie multiplats since they're usually on par with what you'll get elsewhere (The Plucky Squire is a quick example) but that's about it.

>>720041450
He was asking about Fire Emblem. Age of Calamity is capped at 30FPS, but it's consistent on Switch 2.

>>720042092
All valid points Moose, but if you look at it with proper expectations that the games will have some concessions because of the portability factor then it can be a reasonable trade off. Like the cronos game that just came out, the lighting, LOD, textured, geometry etc take a hit to run on the system but it still runs well and is a competent port. This is a reasonable trade off and is good because it got a switch 2 versions at all. But there needs to be more of that instead of just lazily relying on switch 1 back compat and saying that’s enough

>>720042092
Wiiu was odd because many developers felt the need to shove in some weird minigame to use the tablet when all it needed to do was act as a live map or other HUD function so the main screen could be clearer.

>>720036198
I've never heard of any games running worse on Switch 2, that they can't even name any makes me think they just made it up

>>720042464
lol you are giving me flashbacks to that Reggie interview where he was insisting that Batman was not the same game that released on other platforms

>>720042483
Explained here >>720040928

>>720038431
PS5 made the same bullshit with Horizon, it wasn't super cheap but for some reason the PS4 version with free upgrade was like $15 dollar cheaper than the PS5 version.
Basically scamming customers.

And then the whole Evergreen bullshit.
They still ask you to pay $60 for Splatoon 2, $60 for the Country returns HD remaster. The only selling point, their own games are still full price for shit that is technically older than their target audience.

What's the point of having a big fake library of S1 games when they all use downgraded versions of games. That's not a selling point. I can get that shit for half the price on pc and are only limited by the price I invest in my hardware and if I can't run it at max settings today, maybe in 5 years.

I think that arrogance will backfire. S2 will be nowhere near as successful as S1. There is no real new gimmick

>>720042092
Ok but forget about multiplats. There's really no reason that Nintendo should be drip feeding updates to their own games. I want to play Xenoblade 2 on Switch 2, but in this current state the game looks disgusting on NS2.

>>720042604
We've told you, the game running at the same resolution on the successor isn't "playing worse".

>>720042372
Sure, but realistically that's not how devs are viewing the Switch 1 platform and right now we're still in that interim transition period to the Switch 2. People are willing to compromise on the handheld aspect of it and so it lets devs handwave issues like framerate or poor resolution because most consumers are willing to put up with it. Pokemon SV is a great example of this. The Switch 2 patch makes me question how I played 500 hours on the Switch 1.

>>720042483
You can look at the github I posted >>720039609 which are user-submitted reports but My Friend Pedro, Neo TWEWY, and one of the Atelier games are quick examples of games that either look/run worse or actually take longer to load somehow. But again, that's user-submitted so it's not backed up by any sort of hard evidence if you want that.

>>720042714
Completely agree, there's no excuse for Nintendo not making all their first-party titles immediately have Switch 2 patches. The thing should have launched with all of them having one.

>>720042782
It feels like you don't actually play Nintendo. Start up FE3H on Switch 2 in handheld.

>>720042782
When the successor is screen has a bigger higher res screen and thus all games that are 720p and below look really bad on it, yes it is worse. Thankfully Hyrule Warriors 1 is full hd in handheld.

>>720042852
Why? Is the issue non-existent if I play it docked?

>>720034062 (OP)
That's not really true. I think it's just a bit of faulty implementation and Nintendo could easily fix this if they implement something like holding select for DS games on 3DS during startup.

>>720043045
As far as I have tested, when docked pretty much all games are purely improved. If compatible obviously.

>>720043045
Buddy people want to play games portably on their portable console shocking I know

Another pathetic desperate attempt to trying to make the NSW2 look bad. I'm so fucking tired of this shit.

>>720034062 (OP)
This will last a few years to milk the switch 1 install base, then I imagine we will get mostly switch 2. The game key cards aren’t helping either. Most would prefer a switch 1 version with or without a switch 2 upgrade available over a game key card. Let’s hope this becomes less frequent in the future. Only games that could never fit on a cartridge should be a game key card.

>>720044363
what the fuck are you even talking about bro you people are ridiculous. This is a discussion about how publishers are not updating their games for the switch 2. Yet you complete fucking retards keep coming in here spewing absolute bullshit. Go back to Twitter you gormless miscreant

>>720044471
Yeah game key cards is a whole other can of shit

>>720038252
journos only exist to run defense for the failing triple A gaming industry

>>720044841
Your ignorance is staggering

>>720044925
t. urinalist

>>720044925
prove me wrong

>>720034062 (OP)
Yeah I wish we didn't get backwards compatibility. It's such an anti-consumer thing to add. On top of that it's anti-semitic as well.

>>720036013
Cheers big Ears. I will eat a nice meal in your honor.

As always, the fault lies with shitty devs trying to do the absolute bare minimum. Happens with unoptimized PC ports, and now it's happening on Switch 2.

>>720045020
Prove you wrong that an article criticizing the AAA industry is a grand conspiracy that journalists are running defense for the AAA industry?

>>720034062 (OP)
absolutely retarded post. backward compatibility makes it possible to keep your library. that can only speed up the adoption of new hardware

>>720045114
You are being intentionally obtuse to avoid discussing an issue. I really can’t wrap my head around why you would choose to be blind or willfully ignorant to a problem plaguing a platform that you spent money on.

>>720044545
Then moan at the publishers.
You say to go to the place where they'll actually read shit, not this dump

>>720034863
>NOOOOOO I'M NOT GETTING NEXT GEN MOVIEGAME SLIDESHOWS WITH WORTHLESS EYECANDY AND MEMETRACING MY LIFE IS RUINED RRREEEEEEEEE
back in the 360 days games used to have 2 separate versions. one for ps2 and one for 7th gen. sometimes they were enhanced ports. other times they were completely different games (e.g. sonic unleashed PS2/WII vs 360/PS3
(You) are the cancer killing video games

>>720045698
You are missing the point entirely

>>720045791
I don't spend money on platforms with backwards compatibility. I'm not a cuck like you.

>>720045840
Who are you quoting? All I’m asking for is a patch to run games at native switch 2 resolution and 60 fps idk what the fuck your are going on about

>>720034062 (OP)
>Spends years insisting Switch 2 won't have BC "b-b-b-b-because NINTENDOOOOOOOO"
>It has BC like every sane person said it would
>"ACKSHUHALLY BC IS RUINING SWITCH 2!"
The most mentally sound PCfag

>>720045854
>carrying 2 systems is le good
you are the one missing the point
the 3ds is cherished because it can emulate anything from 1st to 4th gen, gb/gbc, and play GBA, DS, and 3DS games. same deal with the wii u, which can handle anything up to 5th gen and play gb/gbc/gba, ds, gamecube, wii, and wii u

>>720045906
All modern platforms have backwards compatibility so I’m not sure what you are getting at

>>720045957
There's plenty of games that got patched. You said there were none.
What's your problem?

It's Nintendo's fault. A lot of developers want to make native Switch 2 ports, but can't because they haven't been given dev consoles yet. I have no fucking idea Nintendo logic here.

>>720034062 (OP)
This board is so fucked that we are now arguing that backwards compatibility is a bad thing. God help us.

>>720046043
I exclusively game on PS4.

>>720046030
Nothing that you said here is relevant in any way to the discussion at hand

>>720046143
Who doesn't have the devkit? Come on, spit it out.

>>720045616
Why else they rage so much about Silksong being $20 if not for the fact that it makes the rest of the industry look bad?

>>720046142
No, I didn’t.

>>720046189
Happy for you

>>720046163
It's pretty telling that since the actual faults with Swtich 2 weren't bad enough retards started pushing objectively positive aspects as faults.

>>720046236
Idk you will have to take it up with them, not sure what that has to do with anything

>>720046163
>>720046339
Nobody is arguing that, you just lack reading comprehension.

>>720046259
Here >>720045840 anon replied to this post >>720034863
>The problem is there are no games taking advantage of the new hardware.
And you replied to him saying you only want patches.

>"Nintendo seems to be almost discouraging Switch 2 development to some degree," Linneman said. "I've spoken with plenty of developers where they were either told that they should just ship it on Switch 1 and rely on backward compatibility. There's a lot of developers that are unable to get Switch 2 dev kits. We talked to a lot of devs at Gamescom this year, and so many of them said the same things. They want to ship on Switch 2. They would love to do Switch 2 versions. They can't get the hardware."
imagine paying $500 for a switch 2 and almost all of the new games for it are just unoptimized switch 1 ports, lmao.

fuck the switch2
it has games, I'm not buying that piece of shit
backward compatibility? games? get the fuck outta here

>>720046464
Oh fair enough, apologies I did not mean that literally no games have been upgraded. That was hyperbole, I meant just the majority at this time which is where the frustration lies

>>720046574
Yeah that’s the problem. Switch 2 owners are being treated like an afterthought after we spent money on a new console. It’s not really fair

>>720046590
Stop it James

>>720046814
nobody thinks like that
at least try to sound like a person, fucking alien

>>720046958
What? Clearly there are many people who do feel this way since there are numerous articles about it and many discussions all over Twitter and Reddit and even here displaying this sentiment.

>>720044471
There's now another weird issue presenting itself but if a Switch 1 (Updated for S2) or S2 game that isn't a GKC gets an update past the launch version it has to download the entire S2 content to your storage because apparently it can't just pick out the stuff that was updated (Like say one single character was modified for example) and leave the unpatched stuff alone. So your S1/S2 physical copy is still technically on the cartridge, but past the update it has on the cart it has to essentially download most (If not all) of the game to your console/MicroSD card to run it essentially giving the same issue the GKC has if you want an updated game.

>>720047060
Wait seriously? It’s not just installed as an update? Why would they do that

>>720047040
>Yes, many humans on these websites are do be saying that
well then why don't you go back there
or even better, go back to mars or pluto or wherever the hell you came from, because clearly you are not a real person

>>720047248
Bro what are you even talking about with this bullshit. Are you not capable of having a normal conversation?

>>720047343
may as well go talk to chat-gpt, make a little green alien bot, it's gonna end up being more lifelike than you

>>720042092
>It gets multiplats but you shouldn't really use it for multiplats if that makes any sense.
OG Switch was honestly fine for anything Japanese and indie since they're rarely powerhouses anyway, but I could agree for the 8th gen western AAA games

I'm gonna re-use the example of Kingdom Come Deliverance again, I've sunk nearly a hundred hours into the Switch version on the OG Switch despite it's indeed the "worst" version of the game, with some issues such as the pop-in textures and the low draw distance. Both things still remain present on the Switch 2's BC even if everything else has been improved (especially loading times - you can instantly skip the introduction movie or load a save file in 10 seconds instead of the full minute like before). I'm sure the random crashes are also gone now although I haven't replayed the game extensively to confirm this. But it's indeed a game I would like to see a "Switch 2 edition" upgrade just for the better visuals.

>>720046814
>>720047040
I wouldn't take any article from western journalists or whatever claim from a Twitter/Reddit user without a grain of salt, some people have been too desperate to doompost (or use hyperboles) about the Switch 2 even before the thing came out. I've seen recent PAX footages of Elden Ring on Switch 2 for instance, and it's nowhere the "disaster port" the gaming journalists were parroting to each other. It's rather annoying people prefer to make these silly click-bait outrages for so long (and specifically towards a console system) instead of reporting things in an objective way.

>>720046814
>afterthought
They have a very clear page with any S1 games that have any kind of issue running on S2.
https://www.nintendo.com/us/gaming-systems/switch-2/transfer-guide/compatible-games/
They are clearly tracking and updating each title to get them working, this is after testing all 15,000 of those games before the console launched, you don't do that as an afterthought.

If emulators can play Switch games at 4K+ why can't the Switch 2? You should at least be able to play the games at a higher resolution...

>>720047441
Really ironic coming from a complete fucking moron who can’t even have a conversation

>>720047521
Why would you need 4k on a device which isn't 4k?

>>720047248
you're complete dogshit at trolling lol, maybe reddit's more your speed...
/r/videogames

>>720046197
pathetic attempts at gaslighting
backward compatibility is always good

>>720047521
That looks ugly.

>>720047185
It's something to do with how the updating download system works and no one's sure if it can be fixed or not. People have been noticing with a lot of games when they update them on the Switch 2 it's downloading 4-8GB or even larger updates when the games themselves are that big even though they own a normal physical copy, not a GKC.

People have also been noticing that even if you haven't bought the upgrade patches for games like Kirby, BotW, or TotK the patches still contain all the S2 upgrade data, you just can't access it without paying for it but still need it in order to play the game. So like, you can stick your S1 copy of BotW in your system, it'll update to the latest update with the size being taken up on your system, but you can't access the S2 benefits until you pay even though it downloaded all of it and it's on your system via the update. The paid update is just some small key file that says you can use it and people who have the upgrades via NSO it just reverts you to the S1 version without removing the data.

>>720047604
The Switch 2 can output 4K in docked mode...

man I fucking love the Switch 2, it's such a great piece of plastic.
I fucking love playing 5+ year old games on 30fps, I don't mind fake frames, I don't mind paying full price for it.
MKWorld is such a great game and so is DK Bananza, I literally don't need anything else for months.
You are just envious about those two games.
With my Nintendo super deluxe abo I can even play Wind Waker in HD with the non HD original edition.
You are all asleep, meanwhile my Nintendo Alarm wakes me up right in time for the next Nintendo Direct, some time next month.

>>720047579
ok fellow human, I will be starting a 'conversation' with you
what did you have for your morning nutrients? I had cured pig buttocks on a slice of processed grain product coupled with a sufficiently heated unfertilized bird fetus

>>720047784
Jesus I can’t tell if that is just lack of effort or incompetence. Probably a sprinkle of both

>>720047906
>I fucking love playing 5+ year old games on 30fps, I don't mind fake frames, I don't mind paying full price for it.
People have done this with the Steam Deck or whatever UMPC, why is this a problem with the Switch 2?

>>720047917
Go be a faggot somewhere else nobody cares about your bullshit

>>720034062 (OP)
>backwards compatibility is le heckin bad because the wholesome AAA studios can't release a $70 version and then an $80 version with the only difference being one is locked to one console

>>720047487
they're telling devs to release their new games on switch 1 and not optimize them for switch 2, sure seems like an afterthought lol.

Switchpoo 2 is the scam of the decade.

>>720048141
I am apologetic if I startled and enraged you, I am not yet accustomed to all of your habits and cultures
are you perhaps of the central continental sect that is forbidden of the consumption of sus domesticus, was my suggested ingestion of pig an act of aggression towards you?

>>720048398
>they're telling devs to release their new games on switch 1 and not optimize them for switch 2
According to who? Western game journalists who refuse to post actual sources of their claims?

>>720048520
Eric you lost

>>720048102
>what's the problem with spending $500 on a new console when most of the new games won't even be optimized for it?
lol, lmao even.

did the PS2 play PS1 games at 1080p with higher frame rate? or the GBA to Gameboy games? 3DS to DS games?

>>720035201
Raytracing is old tech, how is that a brag?

>>720048398
they're telling third parties to dev and publish on switch because nobody buys game keycards

>>720048398
Now the things in your head are dreams, out here is reality. Try not to mix the two.

>>720048640
People like you tried to pull this argument with Star Wars Outlaws (a game I have no personal interest btw) and look how this turned out. Elden Ring looks to be the same outcome as well.
It's rather mind-blowing to see this desperate attempt to prove how weak the Switch 2 is (or "dystopian" too) on the Internet. Like completely detached from the reality

>>720048027
I double-checked via Google and it looks like it's Switch 2 games more than anything even if they're not GKCs. BotW and TotK seem to be downloading just the Switch 2 files it needs so they're like 800MB-2.5GB or something like that and not the full game, but games like Fantasy Life and Story of Seasons are downloading the entire update even if it's stuff the cart already has and is unchanged leading to essentially redownloading the entire game to your cartridge. It also looks like on some Switch 2 games it only downloads what's provided in the updates itself rather than the whole game, but it's still multiple GB of data for no reason.

>>720039526
Then you should go back to twitter you fucking faggot.

>>720049754
Have sex, incel

>>720035709
Assassin's Creed Syndicate didn't get a 60 FPS patch for 9th gen until this year. Shit will be doled out over years.

>>720036794
Engage still runs like shit, hope it gets a patch.

>>720048843
yawnnn, you suck at trolling my dude

>>720050962
>can't back up their delusions
>just accuse the other guy of trolling

>>720049004
>doesn't see the problem with buying a $500 next-gen console just to play unoptimized last-get games
nintendcucks are truly insane lol.

>>720051106
Probably because playing old games is seen as a bonus instead of the reason to buy a new console.
Unlike other consoles, this thing actually gets new releases

>>720051020
learn to read stupid nigger >>720046574

>>720048102
Steam Deck is a dated piece of relatively cheap hardware that Steam makes no additional money from with software and games aren't optimized for it.
I'm actually somewhat impressed it held out a few years.
Deck was a Valve side project.
Switch 2 is Nintendos whole business

Deck can emulate Kirby Air Ride. Deck lets you play Witcher 3 and Hogwarts at the max settings it can handle without an upgrade pack.
If Nintendo did their job right, this wouldn't be any competition, it's absolutely shameful that Deck can be used for comparison.

>>720051247
>this thing actually gets new releases
How can you look at their release calendar and say this with a straight face

>>720051247
>this thing actually gets new releases
yeah and they're all unoptimized because nintendo is telling devs to target switch 1 lmao.

>>720051291
>Deck lets you play Witcher 3 and Hogwarts at the max settings it can handle without an upgrade pack.

Who would try to run games like that on the decks hardware? Stream it from my pc for max graphics no problem

Show me a switch doing that

>>720051291
>meanwhile in reality
>steam deck total unit sales: 6 million
>switch 2 first month unit sales: 6 million
>switch total unit sales: 155 million
amazing "competition"

>average PS4 game is 1080p with an uncapped framerate
>average Switch 1 game in handheld is often 540p capped at 30fps
Gee, I wonder why no complained about PS5's BC

>>720051291
>and games aren't optimized for it.
Which was my whole point about this weird "double standard" but the anon in
>>720051106
>>720048640
still doesn't get it

>>720048563
>There's some truth to that feeling. In a recent episode of Digital Foundry’s podcast, the Direct Weekly, John Linneman and Oliver Mackenzie reported that they spoke to numerous developers at Gamescom who were unable to get development kits to make Switch 2 games
there's your source, retard.

>>720051573
>meanwhile in reality
>nintendo barely released any games over the last few years
>release the switch 2 with no noteworthy games aside from switch 1 ports and a couple of toddler games
>announce nothing for the rest of the year
>all major third party releases are also skipping it

>>720034062 (OP)
I wouldn't have bought a Switch 2 if it wasn't backwards compatible.

>>720051573
>throwaway side project versus the most important thing in the entire company upon which the entire future is riding

This game got a devkit before anyone else.

>>720051781
>>release the switch 2 with no noteworthy games aside from switch 1 ports and a couple of toddler games
>>announce nothing for the rest of the year
How do you lie to yourself so blatantly

>>720051925
Yeah because Nintendo apparently decided not to make any new games for the thing

>>720051732
Digital Foundry is not what I would ever call a reliable source, and this sounds like "listen and believe us" to me since there are no names listed while plenty of studios (both western and japanese) have their hands on NSW2 dev kits

>>720052017
keklmao. You got him. Nintendo will never make any games for the switch 2 ever again

your article is shit, kill yourself op

It was highly publicized that Pokemon Scarlet and Violet run better on Switch 2, but the game shits itself just like always in the DLC areas.

>>720051996
Yeah keep pretending that a reboot of a shovelware GameCube game that nobody bought and switch 1 ports of prime 4 that doesn’t even have a release date and a shitty Pokémon switch 1 ports are noteworthy. Nothing but shovelware and toddler shit

>>720052017
Basically. I skipped the Switch 1 because I knew it would get a Wii U, and I was fucking right.

>>720051940
nintendo is sitting on a dragons hoard worth of cash
they could have 3 wii u tier flops in a row and they'd still be trucking

>>720051725
the steam deck is a linux box running pc software, of course the games aren't optimized for it you fucking troglodyte. comparing it to a console that only runs dedicated software is beyond retarded.

Even the literal ex Nintendo marketers kit and Krista are baffled by how Nintendo are handling this console launch

>>720052076
at first i was like...
>Western game journalists who refuse to post actual sources of their claims
but then i was like...
>Digital Foundry is not what I would ever call a reliable source

>>720052302
You sound mentally well when all I did was to point out people actually have no problem to play games at 30fps with the occasional dips, either due of optimization issues or the form factor / battery that doesn't allow high performance.

>>720052112
>the nintoddIer moans at reality
get fucked

>>720052143
The PS5 launch was worse and Sony didn't have another exclusive for it until four months later

>>720051573
thinks this is an argument about sales numbers.
you lost and got raped

>>720052143
Wow, I didn't even have to mention a game that to you didn't exist until a minute ago and suddenly there's more switch 2 games coming out. But we both know thats not all

>>720052449
Digital Foundry is exactly like the western game journalists, in that they just claim something without any proper source or even give names. Considering their past record in reporting anything Nintendo-related with a certain amount of bias, yeah the proper course of action is to treat them with a grain of salt.
We know so far there are multiple publishers and studios who could get a NSW2 dev kit
>CDPR
>2K/Gearbox/Rockstar/Firaxis
>Ubisoft
>NISA
>Sega
>Capcom
>EA
>Bloober
>Konami
>Nihon Falcom
>Hello Games
>Warner Bros
>Activision
>Bethesda
>Marvelous
>ArcSys
>IO interactive
>Embracer/THQ
>Spike Chunsoft
>Bamco
>Level-5
>Artdink
>Square-Enix
>FromSoft
>Atlus
>Nacon
>Hamster Corp
>Atari
>Koei Tecmo
>Indies like Toby Fox, Supergiant, Yacht Club, Team Cherry, Shinen
So ultimately, who's the absolute lowest of the low that even Nintendo doesn't want them getting their hands on a kit ?

>>720052648
get fucked over what, you tards were doomsdaying about how the switch 2 wouldn't have backwards compatibility. it does, now it's an issue.
get raped.

>>720052291
Valve is the most profitable company in the us per employee.
Nintendo has less revenue than MS or Sony (even just their gaming business). Nintendo is struggling to beat EA and NetEase.
Your shitty whataboutism comparison is not going to work

btw. If you think sitting on cash is a good idea as a company, you should re-visit school.

>>720052343
Wii U era marketers would be baffled by a successful console, so I can see that.

>>720052541
you're defending a company releasing a next-gen console for $500 and not fully supporting it, and using the steam deck as a justification despite them being two totally different type of products. you're a disingenuous retard who should have his internet access revoked for being so mentally handicapped.

>>720052808
Those guys that released the $99 "AAA Clock" app in the switch e-shop that's permanently 99% off

>>720052343
They also think Mario Maker 2 flopped despite it being one of the best selling games on Switch 2 so they're probably fucking stupid

>>720047906
Switch 2 doesn't have framegen

>>720052854
>you
ah yeah, the 4chan is one person shizo argument. Backwards compatibility was pretty much confirmed ahead of release and now we got it and it's still lackluster.
Backward compatibility is not a new invention, S2 would've been an absolute joke if it didn't even have this.

>>720053409
you lost, get raped.

>>720052978
so now we're arguing market after all? I thought it wasn't about sales

it's clearly working out for them
should they burn all their reserves in a hail mary on the altar of infinite growth?

>>720035586
>the overwhelming majority of cross gen titles got upgrades on the ps5.
That's wrong.
PS4 has 18 CUs.
PS4 Pro has 36 CUs.
PS5 has 36 CUs.
The games you talk about got updates for PS4 Pro. It took years for that to happen. PS5 having the same number of CUs, but higher clocks just runs the PS4 Pro updated versions out of the box.
Games that never got updated for PS4 Pro, like mentioned Bloodborne, run barely any better on PS5 than on PS4.

Switch has 2 CUs.
Switch 2 has 12 CUs.
There was no "Switch Pro" so the games didn't have years to get updated. They are stuck making full use of only 2 CUs (at higher clocks than on Switch 1) until they get patched.

BTW, AMD has 64 shader cores per CU while Nvidia has 128.

>>720052978
>revenue

>>720053606
>after all
seek help

>>720053934
alright
help me figure out what your major malfunction is
what did nintendo do to hurt you?

>>720054134
THEY RAPED ME.

>>720054134
anon please, you need help.
There is something very wrong with you.
You are not fine. Go see a professional, 4chan is not good for you.

>>720054332
>he can't answer
Probably been at it for hours in the thread and can't even explain why he does it.

>>720054332
so you know what your problem is, yet you keep engaging with what hurts you. curious
have you tried talking to other people, as in not faceless online strangers,about this, maybe a therapist?

>>720052343
Well yeah, they wouldn't know shit any how to sell a product. They were just given a script.

>>720054487
>>720054521
anon I'm serious. You may overplay your problem with a quick laugh, but I'm seriously worried about you.
You can print out that whole thread and show it to your psychiatrist if you need to, he will tell you what's wrong.

>>720052978
>Valve is the most profitable company in the us per employee.
We don't know this, being a private company they don't have to release any sales or profit information. All we have to go on are vague estimates.
>Nintendo has less revenue than MS or Sony (even just their gaming business).
But not profit, Nintendo's profit margins are higher than both and that's the important number.
>Nintendo is struggling to beat EA and NetEase.
Not in profit no.
>Your shitty whataboutism comparison is not going to work

Most switch 1 games look like SHIT in handheld mode on switch 2s bigger screen because Nintendo were too lazy to do any sort of resolution ipscaling or even allowing for original resolution and NOBODY is talking about it

This is my biggest problem with the S2 right now. Between S1 games performing WORSE in handheld mode, and the prohibitive cost of express micro SD cards, I CANNOT get ridnof my switch 1

>>720054809
What's wrong is that the foundation of the thread is based on slander and those that choose to argue about it for apparently 8 hours are in dire need of help.

>>720051962
I wonder how messed up they are to not get switch2 devkit while that pic rel got one.

>Nintendo didn't immediately drop support for one of the highest selling consoles of all time
>"The Switch 2 has no games."
This handheld hybrid broke people's brains, didn't it?

>article about why backwards compatibility is bad and how not selling the same game at full price 20 times is bad, sponsored by ubisoft and activision
>puff piece article about how charging $20 for an indie game is toxic and sets expectations too high, dedicated to phil fish and jonothan blow
>article about how gamers need to 'MAN UP' and buy a ps5 and be ready to spend $200 on AAAAA games like GTA6, paid for by rockstar

I am concerned and sad at how few games have received updates.

I for sure thought shit like Doom and Tony Hawk would have gotten updates. Nothing yet. In fact, very very few games have gotten basic updates.

Literally all they have to do is add an option to uncap framerate and that alone would boost most switch 1 games. That's the bare minimum of what you can do and they aren't even doing that.

>>720055751
>>720055794
>yes goyim buy the new $500 console just to play last-gen games with no optimization

So many idiots here, your average switch 1 game run at 720p in handheld if you are lucky otherwise it's upscaled 500p or worse. Now try to play these games on the switch 2 bigger screen. Vomit inducing.

>keeping the switch 1 alive is bad
Why should I be upset about this?

>>720056670
But enough about the PS5 Pro now with less storage

>>720056982
>yes goyim pay an extra $10-$20 for the switch 2 upgrade
>we know the ps5 pro gives you upgrades for free, but just don't think about that okay??

>>720057582
>>we know the ps5 pro gives you upgrades for free*
>*only if you lie to yourself

>>720057904
Ps5 pro gets a 2tb ssd vs the base 1tb. Also it has 45% better performance on average. A slightly higher speed for the CPU as well.

>>720034863
>Why did we bother spending money on a console
STOP RIGHT THERE AND PONDER THE THOUGHT DEEPER

>>720045840
I miss this era.

Force Unleashed was literally 2 different games across platforms. The PS2 version had a mode where you could play through movie scenes in the form of unique mission with a unique playable character.

>>720046163
It's sunday, man. The only people on the board are psychotic autists with oppositional defiance disorder so it's mostly going to be troll non-real opinions all day.

>>720034102
reblogging is not an ad unlike this autist >>720035057

I would like to see more third party updates, but I wasn't expecting them at launch. I assume it would be relatively easy to get a lot of the Switch 1's 8th gen ports running at PS4 quality on the 2.

>>720057582
>we know the ps5 pro gives you upgrades for free
For free huh?
So should we just ignore
DMC 5?
Control?
MLB the show?
Tlou 2?
Blops Cold War?
Hitman 3 only gets it free with digital so if you have it physically you're fucked.
Pro Skater 1+2
All paid upgrades.

Hell, GTA 5 is just a whole new release. You're fucked if you're using the ps4 version.

>>720057904
k. nigger

>>720058536
>Botw
>playstation

>>720058607
good goyim, pay $9.99 just to run your last-gen game at slightly better performance.

>>720058778
You have to pay $10 for the Spider-Mand Horizons PS5 update you dumb fuck

>>720058508
He's talking about ps5 games running better on ps5 pro lol

No one tell him about games like GoW Ragnarok charging for a PS5 upgrade

>>720034062 (OP)
>This feature that every modern console has… is ruining this games console.
Uh it’s actually improving it? Not only do several first-party games get upgrades for Switch 2, but most third party titles run better on it than Switch 1 which is an incentive to finally play those games.

>>720058981
The article is not saying backcompat is bad. It's saying that Nintendo is doing a piss poor job of it, which is fact

>>720058865
Clearly not judging by this post >>720058536

>>720058981
>most third party titles run better on it than Switch 1
Outright lie. The vast majority of s1 games perform worse on the s2, especially when considering handheld mode

>>720058854
>nigger is so buck broken he starts making up shit
classic

>>720059172
what does that have to do with ps5 pro upgrades? stupid nigger lmao

>>720059136
Which would imply that upgrades with new content are bad and they should just either sell new versions outright for 70 like or sell I upgrades for 10 just for performance upgrades like Sony does.

>>720059307
No, it would imply that more than just like 6 titles need upgraded performance at release. You can count the number of upgraded titles on two hands

>>720059286
Oh you're illiterate my bad.

>>720059307
>he's still making up shit
ps5 pro enhancements are free retard

Can't have a basic discussion here without several layers of false flagging, lies and irony.
We should have to spend half a thread pointing out simple facts that everyone knows because someone can't handle another console existing.

>>720059369
>You can count the number of upgraded titles on two hands
So you're a bit of a mutant huh. Most people only have 10 fingers and that's not enough.

>>720059374
sony doesn't charge you to upgrade a ps5 game to a ps5 pro one, meanwhile nintendo charges you to upgrade a switch 1 game to a switch 2 one. cope more, bootlicking nintendcuck.

>>720059396
You're not talking about pro upgrades, you're talking about ps4 to PS5 and even on the pro you have paid ones.

>>720059396
are we sure they do "free"

>>720059505
>meanwhile nintendo charges you to upgrade a switch 1 game to a switch 2 one
Yeah. Just like Sony charges you to upgrade from PS4 to PS5, which is the actual comparison here.

>>720059515
>>720059550
>>720059589
>false flagging nigger tries to backpedal
nice try lmao...
>>720056982
>But enough about the PS5 Pro
>>720057904
>>we know the ps5 pro gives you upgrades for free*
>>*only if you lie to yourself

>>720059505
>sony doesn't charge you to upgrade a ps5 game to a ps5 pro
anti-nintendo niggers are so fucking stupid

>>720060083
k. keep coping nintendcuck

Nintendo didn't charge you to play games on upgraded versions of their systems, like the New 3DS or Game Boy Color, so I don't get the comparison

>>720060265
Sonyfags think that the PS5 pro is a new system.
Possibly a cope because they know Sony won't ever give them real games.

Eight more years

>>720059449
Whatever. It's not nearly enough titles, it's not the titles that fans want, and the fact that there was absolutely nothing done to address the bigger size screen in handheld mode is UNFORGIVEABLE. They managed to have a fix on the 3DfuckingS and they couldn't make one here?

>>720060204
where are the ps5 pro exclusives, eric? Why did sony release this completely new console with no games?

>>720060635
Quick question: who is eric?

>>720060635
It didnt stop it from being the best console of this generation by far and is going to likely outsell the PS4 with GTA 6 coming out. People want ease of use, specifically in AAA, not necessarily a slew of baby shovelware.

>>720034062 (OP)
>Backwards compatibility
>Ruining
Uh-oh! Somebody escaped the retard bin!

can you imagine a /v/ without snoys?

>>720061491
LMFAO

>>720035004
Anyone who says backwards compatibility is bad in any capacity should be laughed at and mocked. A retard is you!

>>720034062 (OP)
Bad for who?

>>720035004
it is you who is the child
enjoy prison, stalker

>>720061738
The problem is, is that Tendies always complain about the PS5 for being a great backwards compatible machine, but then love the S2 despite it being pretty much that as well.

>>720061491
>It didnt stop it from being the best console of this generation by far
Yet no one bought a ps5 pro lol

>>720060620
>it's not the titles that fans want,
What you want isn't necessarily what the fans want anon. Especially since you don't seem to care what's in an upgrade, just that one exists

>>720061978
>is that Tendies always complain about the PS5 for being a great backwards compatible machine,
When has that ever fucking happened? When does anyone other than die hard Sony sluts ever talk about the PS5 in general?

>>720061978
>"The problem is..."
>proceeds to make shit up that never happened

>>720062019
Where did you read that?
>>720062110
They straight up say it has no games even when you mention backwards compat.

>>720061978
And what makes you think this is a problem with backwards compatibility? Do you not remember the PS3 and 360 getting games consistently even when their successors without backwards compatibility were out? The lack of Switch 2 games is also due to Nintendo's retarded desire to have things secret and not giving out dev kits despite the Switch 2 not being that much different.

>>720034863
lol i popped an 18 year old disc of gta 4 to my xbox series x and it gets flawless 60fps

>>720062190
>They straight up say it has no games even when you mention backwards compat.
What the fuck does that have to do with tendies? Literally everyone says that. Not to mention BC is worthless when the ps4 doesn't even have any games.

>>720062249
>The lack of Switch 2 games is also due to Nintendo's retarded desire to have things secret and not giving out dev kits despite the Switch 2 not being that much different.
What games are missing on Switch 2?

>>720062307
You could say that about the Switch as well, but that doesn't stop them from complaining about the ps5/4. PS4 has Bloodborne.

>>720062190
>They straight up say it has no games even when you mention backwards compat.
Everyone says that nigga and that's because it's true.

>>720062498
The switch cant play call of duty or gta 6 so it has no games

>>720034789
Yeah but not for all. There is no bloodborne ps5 upgrade for example.

Nintendo's first party line up is always insane compared to the others so it doesnt really need to leverage old games hard. It does now but wont in like 6 months.

As it stands, the switch 2 will have more exclusives in the first 6 months then tbe others had in 6 years

>>720034863
They are improved, just not in a "higher res and higher max fps". An unstable 30 is now rock solid and if it used halve vsync its locked 60 now. It isnt a big fucking deal, but who bought a ps5 and thought "man cant wait to buy some ps4 games", the same can be said of the switch 2. The better performance is a nice thing to have, but nobody bought a switch 2 hoping they could play a certain 6 year old game at 1440p 60

>>720062487
>You could say that about the Switch as well
Sure, if you wanted even more peooke to laugh at you and your blatant jealousy given you're focusing on Nintendo rather than other platforms despite everyone laughing at Sony.
>PS4 has Bloodborne.
It's one game. I don't know why you think that was a good response when the minimum is 5 to justify a console.
Not to mention you can emulate it now if I remember right.

>>720062393
Did you not notice the recent partner direct that didn't have any big hitters? The reports from devs that they didn't get a Switch 2 dev kit?

>>720062701
Define "big hitter".

>>720062679
Playstation doesnt need that many exclusives. People buy them in droves because theyre easy to use and can play the next GTA and Sports/Call of duty without hackers and shit. When will you ever learn?

>>720062764
Stuff that couldn't be made by an indie dev. Stop being obtuse.

>>720062816
So you can't name anything.

>>720062808
>Playstation doesnt need that many exclusives
Well of course they don't. Sony thrives entirely on brand loyalty but even then they don't buy games which is why software sales are so low for it.

>>720062854
Not spoon-feeding retards who think backwards compatibility is a problem.

>>720062264
>gta 4
You can't even beat the game on current xbox because of the button mashing parts. The game wasn't made for 60fps and no one ever bothered to fix it

>>720062928
They buy COD, 2k, FIFA, GTA, etc. You just dont find figures for that on the wiki.

>>720062934
You're the one calling it a problem.

>>720063071
A retard is you!

>>720063009
Not really, even sales for those are lower than they are on PC.

>>720063108
You just jumped into the reply chain without realising what side you're on, didn't you.

>>720063009
Nobody even buys games on the playstation anymore. People only play live service slop like fortnite and apex legends

>>720063227
Only retards would think me saying the lack of dev kits has anything to do with a backwards compatibility problem. Take your meds.

>>720063140
During october of last year, Playstation platforms accounted for 82% of dollar sales volume for Black Ops 6

>>720063313
Anon, you know the conversation didn't start with your dev kit lie, right?

>>720063381
You know you got three replies to your comment, right?

>>720063380
Dollar sales =/= units
Also that article didn't count PC and Gamepass, the latter having a 15% increase in users as a result of Black Ops.

>>720063470
Regardless, Playstation was where they were making the most money out of anything. Cant even play it on PC because of hackers.

>>720063549
>Playstation was where they were making the most money out of anything.
Sure, excluding PC and Gamepass.

its the only thing it has going for it considering it has no fucking games

>>720063757
See
>>720062808

>>720063846
PlayStation 5 also has no fucking games whats your point

>>720063915
Its not that important though

>>720063915
Why leave Xbox SeX out of this? We're in the era of NO GAMES. Valve also beat the three to the punch years ago. Enjoy the ride.

>>720034062 (OP)
All titles are upgraded on the Switch 2 due to faster load times and more steady frame rates on 60FPS locked games. There isn't a single game that plays worse.

>>720034062 (OP)
You're playing literally the same old game, why would it be better?

>>720034062 (OP)
>backwards compatibility is le problematic!
Are you really saying you want even more NO NEW VIDYA because Nintendo is pooling out resources to port a bunch of games? Need I remind you that MK8D is the sole reason why the Switch didn't get its own proper Mario Kart title? Most retarded take I've ever seen.

>>720042483
Nier is practically unplayable on Switch 2. Far buggier, crashes a lot, and several people can't even get it to boot again after the initial ending.

>>720034389
And yet, you spent all of your time on Mario Kart world and Donkey Kong Bananza, as well as the Gamecube app.

>>720062940
wait really? what button mashing parts
i never noticed a problem on pc at way above 30fps too

>>720065419
The one where Niko is getting on the helicopter in the final mission

>>720059136
>>720059223
>The vast majority of s1 games perform worse on the s2
This is wrong.
In reality, Switch 2 backwards compatibility is surprisingly excellent.
Everyone was baffled that Nintendo didn't make a big deal out of it. Most thought it was going to be shit since Nintendo themselves kept downplaying it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiZCwkKnmlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG3G-gFuwQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onUG0nGwMzI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoE41LJyXh0

>>720065962
They aren't wrong, they are obviously trying to deceive people but yeah, Nintendo should had made a bigger fuzz about how good their BC layer is, everything plays better and even some unsupported games play just fine, I was genuinely getting worried when they first announced the list since it was and still is super big.

>>720065962
>This is wrong.
like the other anon said, those people you replied to know very well it's wrong, but they post disinformation anyway because they have nintendo derangement syndrome

>>720066157
Why tho? Why do they want people to not know that their games will run more smoothly if they upgrade to the Switch 2?

>>720034062 (OP)
So true. You know what the Switch 2 really needed? A slow drip feed of games I already played priced at $70 each and taking a spot for what could've been a brand new release.

>>720034863
We? You mean Nintendo Wii? Speak for yourself I didn't buy shit.

>>720065962
OP BTFO'd

>>720034863
I like how when Nintendo btfo's the competition people like this arrive to not only move the goalposts but lower their standards.
The purpose of a new console is new games, not old games. They're just a bonus.

Will we ever see a console without retards saying it has no new exclusives in its first two years of release? Of course it doesn't, it just released. It's a problem when you get into the third year and the library still feels like it's in its first year. *Cough* PS5 and SeX.

>>720068470
See
>>720062808

>>720068589
Saying it doesn't need it doesn't mean it's true anon. Just look at PlayStation basically imploding right now and Sony going third party.

>>720068589
Bro gamers being retarded doesn't make the problem nonexistent. GTA is also skipping generations now.

>>720068743
Yet its their most successful generation to date and has generated more operating income than all previous gens before it. All before GTA 6 comes out.

>>720034062 (OP)
Backwards compatibility on switch2 is such a confusing, half baked slop job that it actually turned people off. That's Nintendo fault.

>>720039609
I had Dragon Quest Builders 1 crash the other day. I'll wait for another update before playing it on Switch 2 again.

>>720068823
you're thinking of playstation

>>720068743
Again, you left out SeX. Idk why /v/ is so obsessed with Snoy when Microsoft is their sibling when it comes to the vidya industry. Both are imploding and going third party while Nintendo is showing no signs of it.

>>720066792
They would have to guarantee that all games run better. But you still have trash like Gotham city and Deadly premonition 2 which still run like shit. That's my guess.

>>720069038
Nintendo is for babies. Sony and Xbox make the only real consoles. Nintendo isnt even remotely legit or relevant.

>>720068784
>Yet its their most successful generation to date and has generated more operating income than all previous
Which is funny because their profit margins are at their lowest since they entered the industry.

>>720069267
Only insecure faggots say that. I'm an idort who enjoys the best of both worlds.

>>720069345
Source?

>>720034062 (OP)
some game run better, some don't do anything
>some games don't run at all
>some games have a Switch2 patch, but not the games you like
>some used copies get you banned
>some Switch 2 physical version are actually only available as Switch 1 carts
are we pretending that this is not in the ballpark of RRoD? If only it wasn't being fanatically defended by loyal Nintendoids.

>>720069267
is that why playstation is making a good chunk of their money off of roblox and fortnite microtransactions?

>>720069495
Theres nothing wrong with that whatsoever. The playstation has a lot to offer from a lot of different businesses.
>>720069376
I mean regardless its true. I couldnt imagine playing something without trophies or something doesnt scratch my itch as ive gotten older. Just like how baby food wouldnt satisfy an adult. Maybe i could be wrong about it. I doubt it though

>>720069038
>Idk why /v/ is so obsessed with Snoy when Microsoft is their sibling when it comes to the vidya industry
Anon, /v/ isn't obsessed with Sony, their fanboys are and that's why they're always the target. Sony fans are basically a cult in denial going from thread to thread shitting on everything and trying to start wars between other fanbases.
When was the last time an xbot spammed about how successful MS is or how they don't need exclusives?

>>720069626
may as well start with the babyfood again, mom's still obviously wiping your ass

>>720069386
Their reports.

>>720069393
>are we pretending that this is not in the ballpark of RRoD?
So you want us to pretend that these things are destroying consoles?

>>720065962
So all future Switch 1 games need to handicap themselves by having uncapped resolutions and frames so they look good on Switch.
Just ignore the fact that the max handheld resolution for Switch 1 is 720p, so its always going to look like shit on Switch 2.

>>720069626
>something without trophies
i hope you're just trolling since video game "achievements" mean literally nothing for a well adjusted adult

>>720069845
Works on my machine

>>720069626
>I couldnt imagine playing something without trophies or something doesnt scratch my itch as ive gotten older. Just like how baby food wouldnt satisfy an adult
The irony is that trophies are the baby food of vidya. As an adult you should feel ashamed knowing that you can't enjoy something without a carrot dangled in front of you

>>720069626
Achievements help me with 100%ing a game. I don't give a fuck about collecting all of the bananas in Bananza because it's too fucking much, it doesn't feel rewarding like the Banjo Kazooie games felt because at a certain point it's just busy work. If I got an achievement on my profile I'd do it though. I couldn't imagine giving a fuck about beating Verum Rex in KH III if it wasn't for the achievement for that either.

>>720069742
you were probably the kid that cried a lot in school
>>720069743
The ps5 is maybe still more profitable or at least on par than the switch is to date. Also the switch has a 3 year jump on the PS5.

>>720069267
>>720069376
NDSfags needs the whole world to know how "mature" they are by crying about a japanese toy company. It's strange.

>>720070093
>The ps5 is maybe still more profitable or at least on par than the switch is to date.
Then why aren't they making money?

>>720070162
They are. Who says they arent? Theyve made more profit on it than all previous gens combined

>>720070090
That's just sad to read. You're not invested in a game, just what you can show off.
Must be a zoomer thing.

>>720070117
Nintendo DS?

>>720070038
>>720070090
>>720069949
You all would love it if Nintendo implemented them. it breathes new life into games and gives you something to go for and accomplish.

>>720069845
>good backwards compatibility is bad, actually
Future Switch 1 games will be meant to be played primarily on a Switch 1 because the install base is huge.
Being able to play them on a Switch 2 with improved performance is just a bonus.

This is like complaining all those PS4 cross gen games don't look as good on PS5 as their PS5 versions.

>>720065962
Until they address all Switch 1 games looking like shit on the S2 in handheld mode I will not consider this successful BC

>>720070237
It's a checklist for my own personal use, I couldn't care less what other people think. Having to do something highly taxing feels like a complete waste if I don't have something that shows that I completed it. It's also why I hate replaying a game because it's like that sense of accomplishment is gone forever now. Achievement lists help me retain that sense of accomplishment.

>>720070231
you're telling me they were doing even worse before this?
goddamn, playstation sucks

>>720070297
It is literally just a mass marketing data minining tool

>>720070231
>Who says they arent?
>>720069743

>>720070297
Yes. Games like Xenoblade 2 could highly benefit from one with the amount of time and effort it takes to 100% it.

>>720069813
Those Xbox fans were willing to weather that storm though and sometimes replaced their consoles twice. I don't think Nintendo has that leverage over customers if S2 had its own RRoD.

>>720070438
>If I got an achievement on my profile I'd do it though
Why lie when you just admitted it here?

>>720070493
I mean Nintendo was probably doing worse before the Switch as well.
>>720070502
It doesnt change the fact that you would like it.
>>720070525
Link something. Or picture. The only thing ive heard is its their most profitable

>>720034863
That doesn't make it bad. It makes Nintendo lazy, retarded faggots. The alternative is what? Just not having either?

>>720070602
It's a list for my own personal use.

>>720070568
360 lost to PS3 sales, Xbox didn't "weather" anything

>>720070297
>You all would love it if Nintendo implemented them
I'd drop them in an instant if they did. They quite literally add nothing to a game and don't even cover 100% completion half the time.

>>720070568
so switch 2 is only selling well because of cultist tendies buying the game en-masse, but also those cultists are gonna fuck off at the slightest convenience?
make it make sense

>>720070697
no one bought the 360 in japan which happens to be a big market for vidya
360 was a wii u or ps5 tier flop there despite the massive push for japanese games
everywhere else, the 360 completely dominated and overshadowed the ps3

it's weird that sonybros seethe so much at japanese sales but always bring them up whenever it fits their narrative

>>720070635
No I would still not pay any mind to it just like with my Series X and PS4 before that

>>720070702
Sounds like they actually do add something to a game if you're willing to drop something for it.

>>720072860
Sure, actively taking away from a game sure it's adding something.

>>720073224
>This list that doesn't supposedly do anything to a game takes away from the experience
Retard.

>>720034062 (OP)
If I were to take a guess, I'd say the tensor cores were a late addition to the system. To the point where we won't see any first party game use dlss for a good while. They're prioritizing big and important devs first while they get more and more dev kits with these features ready.

I know some nips that were considering a pc just buy a switch 2 now. Pc parts are getting pricier and they pay a larger markup of that.

>>720070602
It's human nature to enjoy something that commemorates an accomplishment. The fact that you think it's only enjoyable to show off to others speaks about your priorities.

>>720074216
Nta, but Lol thats not even close to being the same thing

>>720074635
How so?

>>720034062 (OP)
I'm more mad that Nintendo is encouraging just relying on BC. The Switch version of Once Upon a Katamari is the only version that runs at 30FPS and we don't have a Switch 2 version.

>>720074216
>The fact that you think it's only enjoyable to show off to others speaks about your priorities.
You do realise you're the one defending that, right?

>>720075219
Only if you're a retard. You do realize that some Nintendo games have their own achievement systems, right? Medals in Pokemon BW2? Medals in Animal Crossing New Leaf? Why did people grind for those if they couldn't show them off, hmm? Exactly.

>>720034062 (OP)
>Nintendo's Backward Compatibility Is Ruining the Switch 2

If it wasn't for backwards compatibility, Switch 2 won't have jack shit to play. Mario kart and Donkey Kong can only last you so long before you're bored of them.

>>720034062 (OP)
https://strawpoll.com/PKgleJ0d9Zp

>>720036353
The Switch's library is almost entirely sloppy seconds. Very few notable exclusives that weren't made by Nintendo.

>>720034863
Ignore all the seething tendies, they rightfully shit on the PS5 for this same issue but expect you to defend Nintendo doing the same shit

>>720035789
>new switch 2 games
>its just 2 games, thats it
lmfao

>>720076607
Don't all tendies have a secondary console though. I've always gamed on a handheld + console, and that hasn't changed. Switch 2 is my handheld and PS5 is my console.

>>720076749
>*ahem…*

Damnit, ad block doesn't work on these threads.

>>720076865
Nintendies only have a Switch 2. Normal people are what you're describing.

>>720077182
Oh, like those Disney adults who will spend weekends watching nothing but Disney movies, and added FOX and Star Wars to the watch lists because they became "on brand". Got it. Yeah I hate those retards too.

>>720075595
>Why did people grind for those if they couldn't show them off, hmm?
They didn't. I don't know why you thought that was some kind of gotcha

>>720076865
>Don't all tendies have a secondary console though
Yeah, you'd be hard pressed to find one that only has a Nintendo system and usually that's because they have no interest in vidya beyond playing with friends.

>>720077704
They did. I know several people who aimed for it in my friend groups even. There's a whole group of people who would try to get the black trainer card in each game, and you don't know this because there was no public list for them, and even then you'd dismiss it as clout chasing.

>>720077362
Tendies are literal s.oiboys took over the Nintendo fandom by jumping on the Switch bandwagon. They don't understand nor care what Nintendo is like as a business. All they do is don't ask questions; consume product and get hyped for next product. I admit to having a Nintendo addiction but I'm also familiar with Nintendo's business decisions. And lately Nintendo changed for the worse.

Switch 2 is going to be the last system I buy from Nintendo. If Nintendo continues the path they are on then I'll stop buying games too.

>>720076749
The PS5 had only one game for four months after it launched :)

>>720077893
>They did. I know several people who aimed for it in my friend groups even
Sure they did, meanwhile in reality there isn't an achievement hunter community around them

>>720034863
>we

>>720078502
I don't expect someone who doesn't care about these things to understand.

>>720078502
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ynlGDhKjDN8

>>720079109
One YouTube video does not a community make.

>>720079286
There is a community who enjoys these things. Idk why you're so bent out of shape about people enjoying this stuff.

>>720034863
>new hardware
newer outdated hardware with 300% markup

How bad did smack the hornets' nest?

>>720047487
blue bars should be at least 3 different colors, who made that useless image?

>>720034062 (OP)
how retarded the only thing ruining switch 2 is gamekey cards and having no games

>>720079763
>blue bars should be at least 3 different colors
Given that almost every game is compatible with no issues no it shouldn't.

>>720079763
Follow the link in the post, the yellow and red is something like >1% of games

>>720079894
they literally lump together "no issues" with "there are issues" and you think that's fine?

>>720080117
>above 1% of games

>>720080198
Guh, shouldn't post and play stuff at the same time
yeah I meant less than

>>720080198
>they literally lump together "no issues" with "there are issues" and you think that's fine?
Zoom in you retard.

Wouldn't it be easier to start making the game for switch 1 rather than wasting time complaining?

Why would a third party dev choose a budding player base over one that has a 155 million playerbase? Switch 2 being backwards compatible wouldn't stop the Switch 1 from existing.

>>720081480
This zoomed in enough for you?

>>720034062 (OP)
elephant in the room. to actually get an NS2 version of older games, someone has to actually do the work of rebuilding them. since they aren't actual NS2 titles they can't be sold as such without a new remake. so there's no money in it for publishers to do this. same issue that xbox bc had. except ms paid off many big publishers to do a quick port job so it had a sizable bc library with 3rd party catalogs. nintendo clearly isn't offering any incentive to 3rd parties, so nobody is doing it.

>>720034863
This. Every other console does it, but the Cult of Nintendo is used to eating shit.

>>720082087
Oh you can't understand the purpose of the graph so are choosing to misrepresent it.
Blue is you can play the game fully, from start to finish on Switch 2. Any issues will not prevent you from playing the game in its entirety.
Yellow is you either hit a progression blocker or can't start the game due to issues as a result of running it on the Switch 2.
Red is the software outright won't work. Mostly it's because of the hardware like the joycons not having the IR sensor or working with a peripheral.

The type of issue is important because here it's making clear that it's about being able to play the game and in pretty much every case of it's 15,000 strong library, there's no issue with doing that.
It's possible there are other issues, but all this graph cares about is being able to finish the game.

>>720083165
Nta but it's disingenuous and there should be more colors.

>>720082087
Fucking dumbass

>>720083236
i'm glad someone understands, >>720083165 is hellbent on defending nintendo

>>720083412
ffs why do people not understand what i mean?
am i actually talking with children?

>>720083507
You're looking for sympathy over not being able to read a clearly labelled graph?
It doesn't need more colours for something it's not trying to cover

>>720065962
witcher 3 and arkham never recieved a patch and probably never will and cdpr dont seem very interested in updating witcher 3 for switch 2, it still a 30 fps muddy blurry 720p mess even in docked

>>720083708
i read it perfectly.
my complaint is it's utterly useless to lump together 1 "no issues" and 2 "there are small issues" and 3 "there are big issues but we will solve them later".
the graph is utterly worthless and intentionally misleading, apparently it ticks people like you.

>>720084782
Clearly you didn't if you can't tell what the issue it's tracking is and why it's different from the issue you're trying to force.
If everyone else sees no issue with it except you, you might be the problem.

>>720085178
what??? how can you still not understand, am i dead, is this hell???

>>720085469
I understand the graph perfectly

>>720035281
>It’s not a problem that there are no switch 2 versions of the vast majority of games releasing?
not really, it's backwards compatible if it's a Switch 1 game, and if it's a Switch 2 game all the merrier..

>>720083708
>>720085178
Retard

>>720085654
i do too, it's a useless graph intentionally designed to be misleading

>>720034863
>when it just plays switch 1 games with no improvements
Except, you know, better framerates and faster loading.

>>720039380
>even games that were made with dynamic resolution in mind do it on S2
Witcher 3 stays high res 30fps cap though

>>720086494
He probablyade the graph thus his attempts at trying to defend it. This is like the retarded political system with the amount of gaslighting going on.

>>720042804
Neo TWEWY runs better on Switch 2.

>>720046236
pricing it at twenty was retarded, lol

>>720046236
>Why else they rage so much about Silksong being $20
Wait, people are actually upset over this? Do these broke niggas just expect everything to be given to them for free?

>>720087649
Not for free, but that it should be $40 or even $70 and they have a "responsibility"