Thread 720036919

The issue with AI isn't just that it's bad, AI will get better and better at mimicking intelligence
The issue is that retards think it IS intelligence and nobody who wants to use it will be creative enough to make an interesting game

Why would I trust that someone who dislikes their work so much that they want a machine to take over and do it, would do a good job at it?

>In the future, your games will be made by indians being cycled out every few months that only work on Unreal Engine
oh wait

anyone who claims ai will do actual substantial work has not used ai beyond erping

>>720037040
damn, can she even take that monster i wonder

>>720037086
people see it as something to offload work onto rather than a tool that works alongside a person, that's really the biggest problem here. as a result, it's overhyped, corporations are cashing in on the marketed and inflated product promises, and it works as a great smokescreen for a faltering economy (in what "prosperous" economy do we have mass layoffs at the scale we've been seeing since the start of the year and up to this point?). i hope to god this fucking bubble pops soon. it doesn't mean AI ends, it means we hit a performance plateau where we can actually start building an economy with it as a tool, not an agent.

>>720037237
so it's either a creativity replacement that only appeals to normalfags who hate art, or an overglorified assistant you gotta babysit because it works like ass?

gee, great

Will games be enjoyed by it too?

>>720037479
more like it's a replacement solution for billionaires who hate the working class, you'd be amazed just how spiteful the technocapitalist class is towards the average worker, just read the news every so often and you'll see how badly they want to plunder what's left of jobs that normal, hard-working people occupy

>>720036919 (OP)
You stole that from /g/ you thief.

AI will be very useful to do grunt work. (like filling your game map with nature and city buildings fluff, making texure and geometry with a single click)
But the actual gameplay set pieces will always be manual, cuz "AI" in the end is just a randomizer of assets.

Talented devs will be able to make bigger/better games, but we will also be swarmed by a order of magnitude more asset flips AI edition.

>>720037040
Wow, so brave and progressive, I'm going to double my ads on this site!

>yo ai do this task for me
>does it wrong
>can you fix this part?
>fixes it by creating a new problem
>can you fix this problem you just created
>reverts back to the original solution
ai is just another jeet scam

>>720037108
you know you say that but it seems most of the games made that way are not currently profitable. if anything, that approach is turning out to be costly for investors. nowadays they can only really seem to get away with copious outsourcing and shitty management when they're making remakes of older games that fans will buy regardless how sloppy they are, like the oblivion and silent hill remakes. aside from that, very few big industry players use the "just use unreal and lay everyone off lol" approach successfully. even blizzard and CDPR lost all their talent and prestige by being just too shitty to work for

>>720038249
and I'll do it again

any course that teached game dev with AI with no coding, graphic or musical knowledge?

>>720036919 (OP)
it's ok I will make a non ai game :^)

>>720039107
>>yo ai do this task for me
>>does it wrong
>fix the small issue yourself
instead of writing all the boiler plate code you just have to fix the small issues that the ai creates.
retards just don't know how to use it and think it's some sci fi shit

>>720039585
I used to do web dev before the AI boom and most of my time was spent fixing shitty jeetcode
It's really not as simple as "lol just fix the small issues" because in order to fix anything you first need to understand what is happening
Neither AI nor Indians comprehend the code they write so it becomes doubly frustrating to try and decipher what they've done

>>720037086
>AI will get better and better at mimicking intelligence
not necessarily

>>720039806
what do you do now?

>>720039806
>you first need to understand
that is what I mean, if you don't understand the code how are you going to fix it. The current AI we have is just a glorified encyclopedia that can spew bullshit sometimes. It won't create your app with the click of a button but people don't understand that

>>720040193
I went into consulting for a few years and now I'm a NEET

>>720039335
You think this is a motherfucking game?

>>720036919 (OP)
Why would AI make games when there's surveillance and behavioral profiling to do?

>>720036919 (OP)
Based AI, I love Monday too. Every day should be Monday flavoured. Monwednesday sounds like my kinda day!

>>720036919 (OP)
In the future, China will steal Palantir's jew'd out LLMs, give it launch codes, and get us all fucking killed

>>720040381
this is the same retard who yells at ui devs about game balance

>>720040691
Who is?

>>720037086
>Why would I trust that someone who dislikes their work so much that they want a machine to take over and do it
Yeah why would you trust that someone who uses a code editor with autocomplete and indentation would make a good game when they want a machine to do the work for them?

>>720040909
Autocomplete will not make your code less stinky, all it does is follow patterns already laid out by the one who writes the code; if you write shit intelisense will give you shit suggestions. The other anon is right, if you try to use LLM's to offload your workload you are going to end up with shit.

AI is just a fancy autocomplete, you need technical knowledge to verify its output and fix errors anyway

>>720037086
>AI will get better and better
[narrator's voice] it won't

>>720037086
there will always be things that AI will never be able to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4KQ8wBt1Qg

>>720041271
Language servers and snippets are fancy autocomplete, AI is a bullshit generator that only slows down a real dev.

>>720041429
AI will get better, but it will not be an LLM. We have been too indulged because of chatgpt's success.

>>720039107
In a few years we'll have a programming language for writing advanced prompts that'll fix all of that. You will no longer have to program your app, just the AI that makes the app

>>720036919 (OP)
This particular shit doesn't even use internet AFAIK. Still, pretty decent feature most of the time.

>>720041610
If you mean AI as machine learning field en large, then yes, nothing stops it from improving. LLMs fundamentally can't deliver the promise they were making.

>>720041787
yeah well AI encompasses a lot of shit. I blame investors who are too retarded thinking chatgpt is some god send. It's just a data processor

>>720039107
the problem is less that it does it wrong and more than the more you vibe code the more you are completely disassociated from the code and how it works until its just a mountain of shit.
I get why it happens though. Developer timelines are brutal and AI is just a way to survive to your next paycheck

>>720041429
K E K

>>720037086
the real point of ai is to bring indians up to the level of an average white/asian intelligence so they can be brought in in massive numbers to live in squalor and worship the company they work for while receiving low pay
ai essentially enables slaves to perform the work of the middle class

>>720036919 (OP)
it's not going to take off in the games industry unless they can make optimized game engines from scratch, otherwise games will still be gatekept by the engines, if you use ai assets players will know, it's death if you use it in the nearby future while it's still ass and the perception is terrible

The /g/eets are aggressively defending this in their thread

>>720036919 (OP)
AI is dying

>>720036919 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_hgDg4qUk

>>720039248
>you know you say that but it seems most of the games made that way are not currently profitable
Have you even seen the credits for RDR2 and GTA Online?
60% of pajeets.

>>720041429
troon jumpscare

>>720037086
>AI will get better and better
Not only has AI been stagnating really badly, but we're starting to see them repeat mistakes that were supposedly fixed on older LLMs.
Fucking image generation LLMs are literally messing up hands again.

>>720037086
>>720036919 (OP)
Even AI needs an editor.

>>720037151
Anybody who thinks things will get better understands what the future is. I do not associate with time magic on that level.

>>720036919 (OP)
weedeater

>>720042780
>Not only has AI been stagnating really badly
In the public sector, yes, because we're just getting the "toy" version of what the government gets. Like the internet!

>>720037086
There is an asymptote of it not mattering that the AI intelligence is not real intelligence, if it just continues to produce better and better results.

>>720043680
It doesn't.

>>720042645
that's mostly asset related stuff like 3d models and textures. you can easily verify whether a 3d model is good by looking at the tri count and giving it a basic look around in blender or whatever. sometimes they can't even bother doing that, like with the GTA SA remake. it's much harder and time consuming to review code

not that they companies don't outsource programming to india as well, but that tends to be more costly and difficult, and a lot of companies do it despite it not really being effective

>>720044276
>>720043226
I know I didn't use "public sector" right; I meant the version of it that the public has readily available access to

>>720042697
thats a biological woman

>>720041429
>It won't get better
>here's a video of how it's currently bad
Displaying "but I did have breakfast this morning" levels of intelligence, fella

>>720042697
>>720044534
>some people now can't look at a woman in her late 40s and not deadass think "el trune"

>>720037086
>I-it will keep getting better guise!
Yawn. I don't know about the LLM space but for the image gen stuff..
In the image generation side we're stuck with SDXL / Illustrious / PonyXL / NoobNAI for a year now. Flux is supposed to be the next step up but it's ridiculously demanding that using controlnets with it will just slow your rig down, it's not that much better than using SDXL's controlnet with basic 3d renders of the scene you want, depthmap it and then slowly start inpainting the various details (use relevant loras if you need to).

The only thing that people could 'improve' on is just finetuning (which is retardedly expensive, so only few people would bother). And then when they do release their own mixes of models, the rest of the prooompters would just complain it didn't get *their* waifu right, reupload those models somewhere else and such. If I were them I also don't wanna bother releasing free shit only to get complaints.

LLM side of things I guess it's only GPT5 or Qwen 3 of late but... Honestly... I don't really see as much value in LLM's if it doesn't have image recognition. I only use them as pseudo search engine and to 'OCR this content from this logbook into a table so I can copy paste it' or 'sum up the following values from a non-digital source' or 'translate these ching chong to english' lol. Basic tasks. Honestly just get it to be blazing fast for these simple tasks is enough for now.

>>720045694
Good thing the government gets all the cool "toys," like encryption algorithms that actually work or the thing Palantir develops...

>>720037108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ