Thread 720039556

Am I wasting my time?
Has it worked for you?

>>720039556 (OP)
You're not wasting your time, but you are an enormous faggot for practicing gaming.

it's all a waste of time
but someone will still wipe the floor with you while playing less than 7 hours a week, aim trainer is placebo for hrt boosted faggots

>>720039556 (OP)
I never understood these unless they're fun for autists or something. Why not get better at games by playing actual games?

>>720039556 (OP)
>Am I wasting my time?
Yes, just play the fps u like and instead of getting mad, analyze your mistakes immidiately and adjust.

>>720039665
>you are an enormous faggot for practicing gaming
Why when chess players practice openings they're chads but when we practice aim we're losers?

>>720039556 (OP)
you are wasting your time

>>720039807
Modern games are time wasters
>matchmake for 10 years
>join match
>get deteleted
>matchmake for 10 years
etc
etc

>>720039807
Someone in one of those threads about aimbots are correct. The whole aim training shit doesn't work when you have tons of shooters that work differently to each other. Squad doesn't play like call of duty, ARMA doesn't play like tribes, battlefield doesn't play like unreal, so on and so on. It's pointless to use them.

>>720039556 (OP)
It depends on the games you play. If you play CS or Valorant definetly a waste of time. COD or BF a waste as well. Just play those games and actively think about improving. Apex, real sims, BRs that you fuck around forever and then get into 1 critical fight. Yeah practice your aim cause it gets rusty.

>>720039556 (OP)
Yes, complete waste of time. If you want to get better at the game, just play the game instead of learning yourself how to click on things. The game, whatever it is, has more going on than just clicking on things. Map knowledge, gun quirks, recoil, movement mechanics, ... Aim trainers are just cope.

how do you even train aiming in a "game" that isn't even the game your tryinh to get better at?
all shooters have different aiming and shooting mechanics and styles

The only thing Aim trainers are good for is flick shots and even then what you practice will never be the same feel as the in game engine so everyone is right just play the game you enjoy more.

>>720039873
indian grammar aside, who the fuck calls chess players "chads"?

Play osu instead. It's an aim trainer that's actually a game. And it will make you come face to face with the realization that you are genetic trash and will never have the aim and speed of the elite no matter how hard you train so have fun and stop trying.

>>720039556 (OP)
Just fool around in Death match?

>>720039556 (OP)
you are probably better off just playing whatever game you actually want to get good at
unless you want to get good at aim trainers, and in then case, go for it bro

>>720039556 (OP)
Have you considered getting a job instead?

>>720039556 (OP)
i have a training regimen that worked for me:
1. aim trainer 5h each day
2. do this for months
3. download cheats and cheat on stream while denying it constantly

you now have good aim

>>720039556 (OP)
All you need is a high refresh rate monitor. Your kdr is proportional to the square of your refresh rate.

>>720039556 (OP)
When I hit my skill wall, I decided to sucker up and get Kovaaks and I will say, the improvements can definetly be felt

but holy fucking shit, it's the most mindnumbingly boring thing one can do, not even having music or something in the background can help make it more bearable.

Seriously, don't bother unless you plan to stick with it DAILY, otherwise just play the casual mode/TDM for warm up and only go to ranked until you hit your desired performance. A lot of games just function differently from aim trainers (recoil knowledge, movement, just the servers being online so delay/lag/desync).

the funniest thing was when a 10k+ hours etf2l bro of mine joined some obscure community for a heavily modded pvm game i was part of and immediately wiped the floor with all the aimtrainer nolifers, even beat their records in koovaks first try as extra humiliation

>>720040039
Yeah that too, but I was more just thinking, if you want to get better at a game, why not just play it so you can have fun while getting better over using this meme shit? Never made any sense to me.

>>720040680
>TF2 pro
I feel like TF2 is the least aim intensive game out there. Except maybe for sniper and demoman.

>>720040787
>modern gaming took away the ability to bully people
Trash talking is a right, if you play like shit, you deserve to get called out on it.

>>720040685
You're doing 100 times aiming you would be doing normally in the game.
People train for sports the same way. they don't just "play the game"

>>720040159
Have you ever seen Knight Moves? Chicks dig chess players.

>>720039556 (OP)
I just play OSU with mouse.

>>720041002
Get with the times old man, most "chess pros" are stuck up loosers that just memorize every possible board combination and respond accordingly, the 2019/2020 bubble of chess streaming exposed what a bunch of narcissistic faggots chess buffs are.

That or they cheat with vibrating buttplugs. Very manly and "chad" indeed.

>scared to play PvP VR shooters
>stick to single player stuff
>get real good at shit i don't even notice, like reloads and weapon switching and quick grenades
>get bored of single player and hop on contractors vr expecting to die every 2 seconds
>get a bunch of varying skill people, all on voice, even a handful of squeakers
>game has MW2 and OG battlefront mods
>it's the future with me inside the game world but i'm also back 20 years to when i was a teen

become completely incapable of aiming with a controller or mouse

No ammount of aimtrain can ever prepare you for shitty hitboxes, noregs and shitty server performance. Doesn't matter if you can snipe a fly's ass from 100 meters if the server are from chindonesia or provided by the shittiest server provider.

>>720040854
still that was an actual comp player that got payed to go to tourneys vs some people who were maybe at best semi pro in other games and spent hundreds of hours playing kovaaks, it was just funny to see the difference

>>720039556 (OP)
>train your aim all day
>lose because the enemy team has
>comms
>map awareness
>crosshair placement
>economy management
>grenade spots
>smoke spots
>pop flashes
>positioning
>retake ability
>bunny hopping

>>720041549
>guy that does gaming as a job is better than people who aren't even full pros
Gee, I wonder
also "hundreds of hours" is literally nothing in terms of aim training. Unless they had 500hrs, anything below really doesn't mean much.

>Aim trainers
Just play the game if you want to get good at the game. The same people who practice in aim trainers are the ones who constantly feel the need to tweak every single setting in order to squeeze more imaginary performance out of themselves when they could instead be playing the game and gradually getting better. Obsessing over how fast you can flick between targets in a target shooting trainer and fretting over your DPI and how big your mousepad is and the size and shape of your crosshair and then you get back to playing the actual game and you still perform exactly the same as before.

>>720039556 (OP)
Waste of time, I only play games with lock-on.

>>720039556 (OP)
kys

>>720039873
because chess is a normal hobby and gaming isn't

>>720041136
>that just memorize every possible board combination and respond accordingly
this is impossible to pull off
grandmasters never play the perfect moves

>>720039873
>Why when chess players practice openings they're chads but when we practice aim we're losers?
Because videogames are toys and chess is a gentleman's pastime.

>>720041938
MAJA LEAGUE

>>720039665
>I hate video games
Ah, a gacha player i see

>>720041938
Boomers been real quiet since this dropped

>>720039807
>>720040297
Aiming is shooters is kinda similar to singing. If someone doesn’t know the fundamentals of singing and they’re just way off key like they’re basically tone deaf, having them sing for 1000 hours is not going to make them sing better. They’re basically practicing incorrectly because they don’t understand the fundamentals of diaphragmatic breathing and pitch matching and shit like that. Case in point, someone could play a shooter all their life with their mouse sensitivity set to ultra high, they don’t understand that this makes aiming way harder for most people and no one ever told them to lower their sensitivity. So if they keep practicing like they’re basically tone normally do, they’ll continue to practice incorrectly and never improve.

>>720041803
I agree on the aim trainer bit, but stuff like having a good cm/360 kinda makes the difference. DPI switching is a meme, just put wichever DPI you use into a cm/360 calculator and check which ingame sens you have to play, there's no benefit to having say 800 DPI and 40 ingame sens when 1600 DPI and 20 sens are exactly the same. That's just placebo.

As for crosshairs, I use a 3rd party program because the game I play has dogshit scopes that don't actually represent where I'm shooting. That's more of a game to game thing desu, some games figured this shit out early on.

>>720042040
That's because boomers were doing it first.

>>720041938
Man that XIM must be getting it's money's worth

>>720039556 (OP)

positioning and timing play a greater role than pure aim. even the best quake pros win because of gamesens and timing. just play the game.

>>720042050
>that friend who insists he doesn't need to have the same sensitivity across different fps games

>>720039556 (OP)
Things aim trainers don't do
>It does not reflect recoil patterns
>It does not reflect RNG recoil respective to the game you practise
>It does not reflect movement inaccuracy penalties
>It does not reflect bullet velocity or bullet drop
Cheaters idle kovaaks in the background whenever they're not ruining games and chuck 6 month old VODs up on their dead twitch channel as cover in the hopes no one reports them. You have to be retarded to fall for it.

>>720042195
>Cheaters idle kovaaks in the background whenever they're not ruining games and chuck 6 month old VODs up on their dead twitch channel as cover in the hopes no one reports them. You have to be retarded to fall for it.
i'm not entirely sure what all of this means, or how i'd interact with it at all, let alone "fall for" something here

>>720040969
>People train for sports the same way. they don't just "play the game"
Well pros sure. But I can't see how the tedium of aim trainers would be worth it over just having fun. I play fightan and I practice of course, but that's fun because I'm figuring out my characters. Aim trainers to me just look like a chore.
>>720042050
That kinda makes sense, but it seems like the people using aim trainers aren't beginners.

>>720041648
Yeah movement in general is a skill you never apply in these aim trainers. Only retards fall for it and otherwise it's literally just cheaters idling the shit as a cover.

Yeah but not really at the same time. Your raw aim will improve, but not as much as you think, and even then, raw aim isnt the only thing that matters. Something happens when you're locked in and immersed in game, if you're properly warmed up, you will hit a sick flick 90% of the time, your brain sort of handles it naturally and you just kill the guy.
If you really want to improve your aim just go on deathmatch for a while and let loose
t. 2400 elo

>>720042415
>I play fightan
On a scale from Drake to Wesley Snipes, how brown are you?

>>720042535
Wesley Snipes is based tho

Anyone who uses anything like this is a faggot

>>720042297
Kovaaks is an aim trainer.
They leave it on while they are not at the computer.
They do this to accrue hours on a training app so when people check out their profile they see hundreds of hours in an aim trainer.
This is done so they can pretend they've put in hundreds of hours practising and that's why they're literally aim locking you in game.
They chuck up old clips of them playing as normal on twitch streams.
This does not accurately represent their current cheating, but they nevertheless hope the average retard will buy it.

>>720039556 (OP)
nigga you know you can just play the game
and you'll get better at the game
imagine "training" for a hobby

>>720042657
That might be the goyest thing I've ever seen

>>720042657
>all those consoles
>3 fucking games

>>720042681
Tbh, checking the guy's score can be done on the Kovaak's leaderboards, so idling the time doesn't really do much unless someone is really stupid

>>720041938
>people playing like in Vicious Cycle of TF2 for real

>>720042775
he has the same system five times, like why

>>720041648
CS is 90% aim

>>720042685
People who play sports as a hobby often train for it. Really, in most hobbies, people practice in ways other than just performing the specific activity they're into. It's only video games where I've found people are actively against the concept. Goes to show, most people who play video games have no real idea what it means to work towards something.

>>720039873
Because in order to make it in esports you need to know people or be related to someone who is part of a team.

Whereas in chess you can easily make a name for yourself without needing to know anyone.

>>720039556 (OP)
I aim trained years ago when it was novel concept. It was probably the best place to train tracking but deathmatching in whatever game was for the most part better for me.

I say go for it but don't be some faggot who develops a tedious routine before and AFTER playing a game. Also don't be one of those guys who thinks buying shit like glass mousepads is good.

>>720042195
I think there are recoil routines for some games. But all in all, yes, good summary of the limitations of aim trainers. If people use them with that in mind and don't expect to become pr0 in their game of choice just because they perform well in aim trainer routines, then all is fine. My aim has definitely improved more in the month I've done exercises in Kovaaks than it has in all the years of playing shooters. Focused practice is not a meme, but it's not a panacea either.

>>720040039
theres credit to that but it's ultimately redundant. You can practice tracking or flicking or even prediction with aim trainers. That's not the be all end all but it's disingenuous to say it does nothing.

>>720042934
CS2 is 90% crosshair placement*

>>720040854
>TF2 is the least aim intensive game out there.
>Except maybe for [...] demoman.

>>720043032
>you need to know people or be related to someone who is part of a team
that's for anything "pro" and yes, even chess. Probably even more given it's a "legacy" sport

>>720039556 (OP)
just use it as a 15-20min warmup befoore ranked

>>720043559
If you wanna hit pipes sure
then again, sticky spamming is the most skilless thing in the game, so yeah, my bad

>>720043032
Except for fighting games.

>>720040917
I once joined a TF2 server that whenever you died would play a microphone quality recording of a girl laughing.

>>720039873
>>720043032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gler9fDuhRY
kneel, if a literal denthead can beat people who played chess before they could speak, so do you

>>720039556 (OP)
It's a game. Unless you're going to go pro, there's literally no point in turning a game into work like a skill to train.

>>720039867
low IQ grammar

>>720039556 (OP)
when I was 16 i wasted all my days on aim trainers to get to global elite in csgo. it worked but it was such a waste.

>>720044472
>wants to be a grammar nazi
>doesn't even capitalize the first letter
Faggot.

>>720044570
>it was such a waste.
you are a 4chan user
there is no such thing as time wasted for somebody like you

Aim trainers are a meme and cheating is endemic to online gaming.
People didn't magically get aim bot tier aim in the over 30 year history of the genre by downloading some gay retard software and clicking on some balls in a totally arbitrary pattern, even ignoring the fact in most genres players have the same size and shape and are roughly eye level.

Aimtrainers are for people who have never played an fps before, or the physically disabled. Everyone else will get better 10x faster just playing the actual game that they want to get good at.

>>720044730
rude
also it's different now. there is nothing i can really do.

>>720044570
Youth is always wasted. No young person effectively uses their time.

>>720045128
>forced to go to school 24/7 for the first 22 years of life
>you fucking idiots all wasted your youth! NOW BE PRODUCTIVE ADULTS!

>>720045128
isaac newton is an exception

>>720039556 (OP)
Just play singleplayer FPS games. Much better than aim trooners.

>>720039556 (OP)
You're a dumbass. Play the game and you get better at it. Players aren't going to move around predictably like your moving training targets

>>720039873
>triggers your buttplug

>>720045248
It wouldn't have mattered what your mean ole mommy and daddy and big brother government dictated you to do. You'd have wasted every other minute. It's not a criticism of young people, it's just what you guys do. When you get older you'll understand.

>>720044703
but I wasnt being a grammar nazi, I was just pointing out that your IQ showed

unless you only play CS or valorant then you also need to be able to shoot while moving

>>720040297
this, always used to first play a round of deathmatch as warmup when I played CSGO.

>>720045707
Show us your superior IQ then, anon

>>720039556 (OP)
I'm sure it works.

>>720045027
Not if you keep getting one tapped the moment you meet an enemy with a large skill gap between you.

>>720039873
Chess players practice chess, they do not move to a different board game that kinda resembles chess to practice chess.

>>720046330
If you get one tapped there is a really high chance that aim is not even a factor. Maybe you where a retard who walked into a sightline for example, and no amount of aiming is going to save you from that. Or maybe you did not communicate with your team enough and got gang banged by the enemy team. Or maybe you did not equip the correct gear.

i just use aimbot
every pros use it

>>720046593
Almost all FPS games have the same aiming, even if you switch from CoD to Valorant it's the same game.

>>720046772
I swear that there was a csgo version of this before. Is this the niggela effect?

>>720046869
And why dont you practice by playing those games then?

>>720047035
It doesn't matter which game you practice in, aiming is aiming.

>>720039556 (OP)
These exist as an excuse for people who use aimbots

>>720047069
This is essentially why FPS games have such a huge normalfag userbase, they don't really have to learn anything new when switching games. Just bring your aiming skills into any shooter and pick up where you left off.
And people wonder why fighting games are dying

>>720042775
It's hombrewed, just have a few I used for testing bb.

>>720047245
Most genres have a transferable skillset.

>>720047245
Fighting games suffer from two problems, they are hard to access with a lot of prerequisite practice required.
But also they become extremely rigid and repetitive at higher ranks, where I wash out. Mid level is kino, high level is metagaming overrehearsed frame counting autism. There's no soul at a certain point.

>>720043647
as a demo main I cant say in good faith landing pipes counts as aim, not in any similar way to traditional hitscan aim. Stickies...it's not 'brainless'...

>>720039556 (OP)
>Spends countless hours improving aim
>Normalfags plug in controller, get legal aimbot and shit on you

>>720039556 (OP)
>Aim trainers
do incels really? lmao have sex, you fucking nerds.

>>720048595
>Stickies...it's not 'brainless'
lmao, good one, hey your kritz medic is calling you, his uber is ready and the enemy team just respawned, go get em champ

>>720039556 (OP)
Yes it's a waste because the pros are cheating

>>720042036
I know you're brown.
I play games to have fun, I don't treat them as a second job, you little brown queer.

>>720039873
chess is a real game not a product designed to make money

>>720043913
I think I joined the same server, there was also a more demonic laugh

>>720042871
https://youtu.be/oyAP6PpAzK8

>>720039556 (OP)
Train your aim in the actual games so you learn the nuances of enemy player movement and positioning, not a sterile environment where some pills move at steady arbitrary speeds. Your flick aim and acquisition will improve dramatically faster and reach a higher peak by playing the game normally.

Problem with most modern shooters is how most of your time is downtime, waiting in matchmaking, and small rigid game modes with so few targets that you rarely get to aim at anything. It's so detrimental to your ability to ever get into the zone and stress test your skill, it is why "aim trainers" giving you aiming gauntlets have even become a thing. A hollow solution to a man-made problem.

>>720051367
>do this!
>actually, you can't do this, so aim trainers have a point.
Well argued, Anon. In all seriousness, no shooter will give you the room to actually practice specific facets of your aim like an aim trainer. Why are people so opposed to using them for the benefits they confer? Athletes don't just practice their particular sport. They isolate different problems and work on them specifically. They do general exercise. One of the great things in this otherwise rotten world is the concept of transferrable skills. They exist in vidya too because they exist in all physical activities.