Thread 720053057

>Sells well on initial release due to hype and preorders
>Story is dogshit
>Gameplay feels nothing like what made the series popular
>Is a critical disaster
>The core fanbase you want to abandon hates it
>The normalfags you designed this for move on after their streamer handlers drop it after a couple of weeks for the next new thing
>Stops selling almost entirely
>Reviews are all negative
>Shareholders freaking out in quarterly calls about your attempt to make this IP into a hack and slash version of Destiny are flatlining
>Try and blame it on everything but the game and its low quality.

It really is the Resident Evil 6 of Monster Hunter huh?

Well here's hoping Capcom can course correct AGAIN
It's a shame that Monhun is the only series that clicks almost all of my personal checkboxes. Even as meh as Wilds is, other hunting games just can't deliver the same presentation and feel

>>720053057 (OP)
>gifted this for my birthday from a relative
>runs literally the worst of any game I've ever encountered, ever, and is fucking unplayable dogshit on my PC
>can't refund it without hassle because it's gifted
>played more than 2 hours at this point trying to make it work
I'm going to pirate everything forever
and this, which I can't pirate, is considered dogshit by most people, and runs like fucking shit too
capcom should stop making open world RE engine games

>>720053057 (OP)
Good, maybe will teach Crapcom a lesson.

>>720053057 (OP)
Im sad they killed Dragons Dogma to do this and now will spend the next few years just trying to fix MH, which up to this point did not need fixing.

>>720053949
>Play DD2
>Oh god this is just a paid beta for Monster Hunter Wilds isn't it?
>Play Wilds
>Wait it was but somehow this is WORSE?!?

>>720053057 (OP)
>>720053384
>>720053949
>>720054153
Stop being poor third worlders

>>720054307
>devs dont need to optimize so they can put more into a game and still have it run, you just need to pay more so you can run what they brute forced to work
Yes, buy the new GPU goyim, the industry doesnt need to change you just need to spend more so they can make more.

>>720053057 (OP)
It sold 10m units at full price, they made billions in profit. They don't give a shit. They milked you retards plenty. Keep coping about how they're hurt or panicking even though you gave them a massive payday. Gamers deserve everything that they whine about when they enable it like this.

>opening with 10 millions in one week
>Then during the first quarter it only sells 477k
That is a fall of 95% compared to its opening week, Games always sell less compared to their initial week but I think I never seen another case where the sales fall so hard.

>>720054517
It's gotten so bad that we now need to generate fake frames in between real frames just to have games run at an acceptable framerate.
Fucking ridiculous.

>>720054595
But we went through this exact thing with RE6 and it effectively killed the brand despite how well it sold. To the point people were talking about Capcom going bankrupt and being bought by Sony during the PS3 Crapcom era. It took the gamble of RE7 to save Resident Evil. But with this sloppa intended to be a multi year live service thing any possible solution is a long long time away.

>>720053949
>Im sad they killed Dragons Dogma
I love the first game I truly do, but 2 was doomed from the start even if it did run decently on all platforms. Its questionable gameplay decisions and overall mechanics drag down the experience more than its poor optimization.

>>720054595
>They don't give a shit
They do because the title updates are FREE so if the game is not constantly selling they actually start losing money because these free updates they have to make. MH is Capcom's live service game so it must keep selling millions for years, also Wilds extremely low player retention means nobody is buying cosmetic DLC which means even less profit. If they didn't "care" like you said, Capcom wouldn't be pushing updates ahead of schedule, being chewed up by the shareholders and forced to admit that "sales were low of you expectations" and outright throwing Sony under the bus.

At this point i think MH4U was a fluke and the Mainline team simply makes worse games than the Portable team.

I don't understand the backlash.

>>Story is dogshit
No MH story is good. Most barely even have one.

>>Gameplay feels nothing like what made the series popular
Everything World as, the most popular MH.

>>Is a critical disaster
>>>>>>critics

>>The core fanbase you want to abandon hates it
They have Rise to pretend is good still.

>>The normalfags you designed this for move on after their streamer handlers drop it after a couple of weeks for the next new thing
I don't see the problem here. It gave me more gametime than any other AAA game normally does.

>>720054595
>they don't give a shit

You're genuinely retarded if you think Capcom doesn't care about the on-going health of their games. If they didn't care they wouldn't have put out at least 4 player surveys and made adjustments according to them. Granted Wilds is still a heap of shit. Capcom is developing the game like they legitimately do not understand what people liked about Monster Hunter.

>>720054904
Id play more DD if they made it, I didnt hate DD2, Im dissapointed that it dies with DD2 though and well never get something like this again. I wanted to see DD find its footing and do something with that gameplay, but now it doesnt get to move forward at all. Its just another Capcom IP they buried so they can make anothe Street Fighter.

>>720055223
The problem with the story is that they are forcing it into your throat, people hated the unskipable cutscenes in World (which were more about the retarded handler than the monsters) so they allow you to skip them in Wilds but they made annoying walkalongs that can't be skipped seemingly as an act of spite, also the characters they are forcing you to "care" are annoying useless shits that make their problems the center of the universe, Wilds is more about the humans than the monsters and this annoys players who only want to kill things.

>>720053057 (OP)
>most popular monster hunter on steam

>>720055223
Actual answer from autist whos played every entry including shit like Frontier and Online from the first game on ps2 onwards:
>too easy
>The ability to move and redirect attacks has simply made the player toolkit too strong and the monsters cannot keep up without resorting to silly mmo aoe moves
>The story isn't just bad but includes PS3/360 era forced slow walk and talks like im playing the first Gears of War or The Last of us and i dont think a living human ever asked for this from monster hunter
>The open world is redundant. A massive development and resource hog that ultimately offers nothing in terms of gameplay and just means less map variety overall
>Constant collision between devs and players over systems. You can use a binocular to scout monsters, but why when they are on the map all the time? to just see crowns? well then whats the point after getting the only two crowns that matter for completionism sake? or if you dont care about that to begin with?
>Nobody uses microcamps intended as both a upkeep points dump and to keep players out in the field for hours. Which nobody does and everyone goes back to the hub after each hunt
>More casual than ever, Palicos will straight up raise you from the dead to increase you to techncially 4 carts and when the only option is "dont like it dont use it" its a sign the system is badly designed
>Base roster is boring and hitboxes are pretty broken for both monster and hunter
>Seikret auto running you to the monsters makes the whole 'hunting' idea none existent
>Running the game like live service slop in general
I could go on and on but its a very bad videogame only enjoyed by lowbrow slop enjoyers with no standards or simply lacking the critical thinking to understand why these changes are all detriments to a system that wasn't broke and didn't need fixing.

>>720055891
>'hunting' idea none existent
You'll just get countered by
>nuh uh, Monhun isn't Cabella and Paintballing monsters is useless once you know of the monster spawn/eating/sleeping place because learning creature behaviors isn't what hunters do for some reason

>>720055891
You can explain better how pointless the open world is by saying the serekii's auto taxi makes it completely redundant.

>>720055891
>t. fuktered seething poorfag who doesn't know what MH really is about

>>720056995
Rhanjit your time has finished its back to Pavnagah with the family for you.

>still hasnt reached 11m sales after nearly a year
it's over

As a longtime fan of the series if i see anyone defend this title or say its good i assume they are a brand loyalty shill which is poison for any franchise or they are simply a legit dullard with no standards.

>>720055891
>>The open world is redundant. A massive development and resource hog that ultimately offers nothing in terms of gameplay and just means less map variety overall
My favorite part about this is that the open world as they designed it pretty much gatekeeps the game from the Switch 2 audience that I'm sure Capcom would love to have. All things considered, Tendies dodged a bullet.

>>720058306
Its so stupid and transparently trend chasing too. The seperate zones means you are designing unique, bespoke boss arenas that the fights can transition to in real time. But the loading screens means they can be effectively miles apart and as such you can go all the way from sea level to a fuckin' mountain top and it feels fine.

Here they have to make that a single traversible route and guess what THATS JUST A BUNCH OF POINTLESS TUNNELS AND VALLEYS NOBODY FUCKING DOES ANYTHING BUT RUN THROUGH WASTING OUR TIME.

>>720055891
This is absolutely coming from a Worldbabby.

Not that I disagree with much in the post, but this is a skin-deep take on a problem that is as deep as the Mariana Trench.

>Zero prep required
>Elemental resistances practically useless
>Status effects mean nothing
>Armor values mean nothing, it's either get one-shot, or don't get hit
>Armor skills/decos mean nothing seeing as the ability to create armor is practically braindead easy and each hunter is showered in decos
>Investigations used to mean a "marginally increased drop rate" instead of "Guaranteed drop for X item"
>Starting with World, the farm mechanic is practically useless seeing as everything is gathered with minimal input from the player at max quantities with zero effort required to increase the farms potential
>Eating used to be a requirement to fill in any gaps that a lack of proper armor warranted
>Eating is now a game of "wait until someone offers food for nigh invulnerability"
>Talismans used to require at minimum 2-5 hunts to get a base talisman at rank 0, 5-10 to rank 1, 15-20 to rank 2, etc... but now require less than 2-3 to max it out
>While paintballs have been included, are practically useless barring the one quest that is annoying-but-still-easy without them
>Monster GPS with zero effort
>Monster GPS at all without spending time to make psychoserum/throwing a paintball at one once found
>Wounds, nuff said

>>720058483
You have to assume these people dont know what any of that means and point out the minute to minute surface bullshit.

>>720055326
I'm okay with it. Never really saw DD as this powerhouse IP despite me wanting a sequel, and I went into 2 knowing full well this would decide the series' future. So when the long awaited sequel didn't live up to expectations on top of its other problems, I said 'Alright' and moved on.

If Wilds didn't have optimization problems but everything else was the same, It would have been successful in the long term like World and Rise were?

>>720058563
I get it, holy shit do I get it.

And normally, I'd be on the side of hunters whose first game was World, because I genuinely enjoyed it. I liked some of the QoL increases that were brought in, I liked some of the ideas that were showcased (and to be perfectly clear, I liked the IDEA of the clutchclaw and as a Lancer main I loved the fact that the counter-clutchclaw was a Lance exclusive and made being a Lancer a wonderful thing to have in a party, but it's execution was fucking annoying on any other weapon), and even though base World was pretty fucking garbage, Icebourne more than made up for what was lacking in World.

But holy shit, I was concerned about the downturn that Sunbreak was showing us. It is probably a more MH game than Wilds ever will be (and arguably more than Worldbourne is/was seeing as it is largely "You killed X? Good, now here are hunts for Y and Z on top of fighting A again because now it can really whoop your ass").

But if Wilds was the inevitable abortion, I'd have taken every single reversal of QoL shit from the word "GO"

>>720060038
I think it wouldn't crash this hard but most of the normalfag buyers will still be gone anyway. The whole 10.5m sales account for all platforms after all. On consoles it desn't seem to run as bad as on PC but the sales still halt anyway

>>720058306
I'd rather Capcom just do like how Rise worked for the invetable Switch 2 release. Seamless maps, lots of verticality, nooks and crannies, and bring the dogs back. PLEASE bring the dogs back. Sekreit suck and every time I ride one it makes me wish I was with my dogs in Rise. I don't know how a feathered raptor that can glide short distances managed to get mogged by a mutt, but Capcom found a way to do just that.

>>720058563
No I’m just not going to engage with that kind of post it’s way too long and designed to make people exhausted, not to be true

>>720055617
>wilds was so fucking shit that it made rise slowly get more popular
based

>>720053057 (OP)
>Is a critical disaster
This just isn't remotely true though. When the game is as.fucked as this is, you don't need to add lies to it.

>>720060494
>bring the dogs back
I'd rather they let us tame a variety of rides from small monsters with similar skeleton

>>720060038
Playerbase would have still plummeted but reception for it wouldn't be as negative. The hardcore would still call it casual baby garbage but the casuals and normalfags wouldn't be shitting on it too because of performance.

>>720060860
I think we should be able to hatch and raise large monsters to ride on and hunt monsters by fighting on top of them

>>720054307
Enjoy you walking talking cinematic hunter firstie

When are shareholders going to start asking for good games so they can profit instead of asking for cheap money gougers that drive away consumers and thus don't profit?

>>720055617
>murders all of their IPs by making one horrendous sequel after another
what's crapcum's endgame? Is the blackrockbux really that plentiful that they can afford to kill both dragon's dogma and monster hunter a year apart from each other?

>>720054595
This is true if the G rank expansion still sells millions. They genuinely will not learn any lessons from the Wilds feedback if you retards keep buying this slop in droves.

If the G rank expansions for Wilds sells like shit compared to the base game and Iceborne, then Capcom will actually be in full panic mode. As of now, it's just a bunch of pay pig consoomers squeling about not enough content or performance while the core of the franchise rots.

>>720061137
>implying
There’s been nonstop hit pieces on Capcom because (((they))) want to buy it

>>720060857
I know people have been psyoped into thinking the game journo has real power and is ceasar giving the thumbs up or down in the colloseum but "critical reception" means the reaction fro customers not marketing arms.

>>720060860
That'd likely be leeching too much off of Stories when that's its entire MO. Besides Palamute already have their models and gear setup so why not bring them back instead of letting all that hard work rot forever.

>>720061137
Isnt it because the old guard retired and the son who temporarily took over in the ps3 era and nearly killed the company is back in control again?

>>720061009
Kek. But seriously though, Iceborne already lets you ride on top of small monsters like the ones summoned via Tailriders or random Popos and Aptonoths and stuff. Might as well make expand it as an actual feature instead of locking it into the dog

>>720061009
Then go play the Monster Hunter Stories spin-off series.

I'm not joking either. The is (in a nutshell) what you do.

>>720061559
I'd rather the use the time to bring back Gunner (or real Beta sets at /the very least/) instead of bringing back dog armor. I'm fine with my ride being naked or only wears a saddle

>>720061009
See >>720062006
I am tired of running into people saying this when MHS exists.

>>720062006
I just need something simpler like I said >>720061624
I mean adding completely new breed of small monsters like Canyne and Seikret just to sell the feature is weird when dog-sized lizards have always been a thing

>>720054595
Capcom themselves said that they are disappointed with the MH Wilds situation. I guess you know better, though.

>>720053057 (OP)
I can't believe they spent 6 years designing dogshit oversized maps with 0 monsters to fill them with.

>>720061095
GU is the best

>>720061484
No, it doesn't, you fucking retard. Critical reception is quite literal the reception from critics. Public reception is what the playerbase thinks.

>>720054595
>They don't give a shit
Line must always go up, it doesn't matter how much money they make on the initial burst, shareholders will see the sharply waning interest in the game and worry that the next game will not sell as well due to fatigue.

>>720061785
>I'd rather the use the time to bring back Gunner (or real Beta sets at /the very least/)
I ripped that bandage off years ago even though I also want gunner armor back. If I can't have one thing may as well get the other.

>>720062286
>when dog-sized lizards have always been a thing
Yeah since 2018. We never had small fanged wyvern until World. In the past it was raptors, hogs, and small monkeys. So they're barely 10 years old and Capcom doesn't want to completely rip off its own series so palamute and Sekriet exist which are already domesticated monsters. They already have a series of games about taming wild animals you can ride, and the biggest problem people had with the tailrider system was how offhands it was. At least with the dogs you could own more than one and customize their sklls and looks to how you wanted so it felt more personal even compared to Sekreit.

>>720062827
Critical Reception does NOT start and end with "critics with endorsements" you fucking mongoloid.

long live the king

>>720063438
>People got so booty blasted this came out on a nintendo console first they refuse to this day to accept Sunbreak is peak.

>>720063675
>Sunbreak is peak
Not if you want to to play LS it fucking isnt

I didn't like Generations but playing Generations Ultimate after playing World really made me love it. Sure Rise is more like GU but it's nowhere near as good.

3U is still the peak of the series and Capcom is never gonna port that to anything current so I'm left hoping for some mad lad to decomp the fucking thing.

>>720061095
>laptoo
"Not beating the allegations" as the kids would say.

>>720064068
>LS
you are a subhuman beast of the field and the world would be better without LS in it.

>>720064330
Fuck off you pathetic, miserable waste of time and flesh

>>720064481
No. *doots HH then dabs*

>>720064068
LS is fine after the buff in SB.

>>720053310
I have complete faith in Ichinose.

Portable team will save Monster Hunter. Again.

>>720065537
I actually like Wilds but I gotta say I am way more hyped for a potential “Risebreak 2” then anything else.

>>720065004
Wasn’t HH butchered the worst out of any weapon in Rise/SB

>>720065814
It was changed dramattically but was still satisfying in terms of buffing allies and bonking enemies with that classic over the shoulder swing to smack a monster on its ass with slugger,exhaust and ko decos.

>sells well
More like sells well enough to shatter all previous Capcom records.

>>720053057 (OP)
Games good. Seethe.

>>720067473
Biggest drop off in sales record.
At the current rate it won't outsell Rise, let alone World. Unless there's a bunch of double dippers or they fix everything wrong with the game with the expansion I don't see it.

>>720053057 (OP)
the game is excellent, just poorly optimized. gameplay is fantastic, most weapons are great, and 9 star quests are master-rank tier. everything else is anti-marketer FUD.

It was really fun during the beta, because it was hard, but the release version then was way too easy. It's a game that is frustratingly close to being good.

>>720068775
>fun during the beta, because it was hard
Wut?
Even the beta was piss easy, what are you talking about?

>>720061095
you wish your shitty as fuck laptop could run Wilds though dont you faggot lmaoz

>>720068775
There was nothing hard in the beta
9* hunts is where things are getting fun

>>720068964
Low level gear made it a bit harder, especially arkveld.

>>720068158
nta but Capcom sold over 1 million copies at full price. dont worry nigger, you may sleep soundly at night knowing Capcom will be okay.

I like the game. I wish the seikret was far more limited though.

>>720069280
Line always has to go up.
If Capcom were okay they wouldn't be scrambling and blaming the lack of sales on the PS5's price.

>>720069473
it's not like Rise, the game isn't designed taking into account your Seikret recovery. 9/10 hunts i don't even use it for anything other than mobile sharpening, and that's just if i feel like it, it's easy to forget it's there, so simply "don't use it" is legitimate advice in this case.

>>720068158
people forget that's rise and world post-master rank expac. Wilds will be no different, the MR expac is going to sell like crazy and the "MONSTER HUNTER IS SAVED" cycle with begin anew. nobody criticizing the game seems to have any kind of memory regarding how base MH games are received

>>720065814
It's "butchered" in the eyes of decrepit boomers who just want to stand in the corner and doot songs for the party, and scoff at the notion of actually having to get up close to bash the enemy. The tools that Sunbreak gave the HH make it insanely fun. Blowing out a monster's eardrums with Sonic Bloom will never get old.

>>720069948
I meant more that the autorun ruins exploration, it should be far more limited or removed entirely.

>>720070230
World and Rise didn't have a catastrophic fall off like Wilds, anybody saying that they needed the expansion to be "save" was shitposting. Capcom NEVER said that World and Rise "sold less of what they expected".

>>720067473
So did Resident Evil 6 at the time.

>>720069948
>it's easy to forget it's there, so simply "don't use it" is legitimate advice in this case
It absolutely isn't the case when the Seikret is literally mandatory in order to traverse many parts of the map, though. It would be like if Rise forced you to use your dog to climb up vines and those were the ONLY way to get up to vertical areas. You can run double cats in Rise and hunt fine (and it's even recommended), but you can't run hunts in Milds without your bird.

>>720070230
World sold 17.5 mil before Iceborne came out. Also both World and Rise took advantage of double (triple?) dippers due to console/PC releases being staggered; a benefit Wilds doesn't have (unless the PS6 and Xbox Next come out next year).

>>720070543
oh, if it's a travel thing, i guess that's a preference thing

>>720070401
I find it a good way to chase the monster while sharpening. I never call it during fights, did it once and the dumb chocobo ran me into a monster blast

>>720070616
wow iceborne really tanked

>>720071015
That chart is for specifically the Master edition, which includes base World.
Actual Iceborne is Capcom's 4th best selling game at 15+ million copies.

>>720070378
>boomers who just want to stand in the corner and doot songs for the party, and scoff at the notion of actually having to get up close to bash the enemy
btw implying this represents 3rd -> 5th gen HH in any capacity immediately outs you as a filtered shitter retard
it may be a fair description for 2nd gen HH tho

>why didn't capcom just make another expansion pack for world? like fireborne
remember these are the people who asked the question like this

>>720053949
nah watch them introduce a new weapon type they've been saving in their back pocket for a rainy day and see the slop enjoyers say MH is back!!!

lel 'member when people thought DD2's budget went into this game?

>>720073423
>DD2
LUV that game its such a blast

>>720072962
Another expansion for World would've been better than Wilds.

>>720068158
>At the current rate it won't outsell Rise
Sure it will. There isn't much competition in AAA any more thanks to Sony and UBI becoming more interested in producing political movement flops.

>>720070401
>exploration
Don’t understand this meme about old games “mushroom spawns here ore spawns here area explored”
Pressing one button once instead of holding forward does not really bother me

>>720075148
>There isn't much competition in AAA any more
That doesn't mean people will migrate to the remaining AAA games, they'll more likely go to AA and indies

>>720065537
Same. I think he'll actually learn from the mistakes of Ricebreak unlike Tokuda who just loves to double down into World garbage.
I'm hoping for less gimmick but with more focus on moveset variations from Rice, and a big focus on the "endgame" from the initial release.

>>720073548
Only because it would've forced them to focus on combat and additional monsters. Worldsperms will just never admit Wilds sucks for all the same reasons World was disappointing too. You are a tourist until you have HR 999 in at least one pre-World game.