Thread 720054885

>Still the smoothest gameplay in any Metroidvania
>Still the best graphics in any Metroidvania
>Still the best main character design in any Metroidvania
>Still the best music in any Metroidvania
>Still universally beloved by most gamers around the world
How come it still hasn't been surpassed?

>>720054885 (OP)
Miriam says hello!

>>720054885 (OP)
overrated trash mogged by handheldvanias

>>720054885 (OP)
Mogged heavily by any metroid game and rendered utterly irrelevant since rabi ribi exists

>>720055267
>Mogged heavily by any metroid game
Immense amount of cope
SOTN btfos every Metroid game ever made

Just like the sun (just like the sun)
When my day's done
Sometimes I don't like the person I've become

Is the enemy within
Or a thousand men?
Should I walk the path
If my world's so dead ahead?

>>720054885 (OP)
A lot of it's by accident. Usually the best games come together through a mish mash of ideas and passionately trying to string things together. Keep in mind SOTN was in development for like 3 years, rather long for its day, and Iga didn't become director until late in the project. It's why every other game after that tried to intently replicate SOTN and build off of it comes up short, even good followups like the Sorrow games.
>>720055098
>>720055216
>>720055267
Zoom opinions. Bloodstained is strictly mid.

>>720054885 (OP)
>Instead of a Soulslike ARPG Castlòevania we got cringe hack and slash ps2 garbage instead
tragic

>>720054885 (OP)
>Still the best music composed by Michiru Yamane
FTFY

>>720054885 (OP)
It's piss easy and boring. Try actually challenging yourself.
>>720055098
Revolting art style

>>720054885 (OP)
Modern metroidvanias are soulless rip-offs. SotN was just a sequel to an established series.

>>720055547
Blame DMC's influence and that playing 2D games on a TV in the 6th gen was considered "outdated".

>>720054885 (OP)
I prefer Aria of Sorrow
Curse of Darkness had the potential to be the greatest Castlevania ever but they fumbled it hard, still makes me sad after all these years thinking about it

>>720055482
>calls other people zoomers
>uses the word mid
Cope SotNtranny. Thanks for beta testing shit that the sequels and Bloodstained did better.

>>720055765
>SotNtranny
Why are you bringing up trannies?
>that the sequels
LMAO. You're one of those fags that think COTM is a good game aren't you?
>and Bloodstained did better.
You like those useless side quests and pitifully easy bosses that make Symphony's look like Classicvania bosses?

How do you go from all of this (plus Leon Belmont) to -

>>720056078
this? This is a faggot.

i like harmony of despair a lot more

>>720055961
CotM is the Castlevania game that's the most similar to actual Metroid. Of course it's great and you being filtered by it is very telling.

>>720056182
>card grinding
>great
lol lmao

>>720054885 (OP)
SOTN was not conceived as a metroidvania, but as an action JRPG game, where the character could move freely through the castle. In fact, the inspiration for this game was not Super Metroid but Zelda II: The Adventure of Link. Still, I consider that the game is very unbalanced; if Konami makes a remake raising the difficulty of the game, improving the bosses, and adding new areas to the castle, it could create a better game than HK and Silksong.

>>720056474
>he actually grinded the cards
>after looking up a guide for where they drop
Based fucking retard.

>>720055717
CoD is still one of my favorite castlevania games ever, flawed as it is

>>720056719
>thinking COTM's random card drop system is good in anyway
Retard lmao

>it's bad because you don't have to redo parts enough
don't understand this mindset desu. yeah you can facetank shit but you can still play for no-hit like anybody should play any platformer. if you're like "this game is bad because it's easy" but your Alucard is going HUAH BLEUGH AHH during your gameplay then you look like a fool.

>>720057042
Likewise, devil forging is a fun as fuck concept and I really enjoyed evolving them and crafting different weapons

>>720057069
>he's an illiterate retard
>he doesn't know how to respond
>he lacks the knowledge
Hahahahahah

>>720055482
IGA is the Inafune of Castlevania

God I love how CotM filters zoomers. Great game. Stick to your L/R button zoomies, HoDchuds.

>>720057502
Concession accepted. COTM is shit.

This game is buggy, unbalanced to the point of being trivial, and the map is only good for the first half of the game.

The worst Castlevania games I've played are Aria of Sorrow, Harmony of Dissonance and Order of Ecclesia.

>>720054885 (OP)

Its still a masterpiece. Can you believe when it released originally they thought it was mediocre in damn most game magazines in 1997?

>>720054885 (OP)
OoE was better. Deadcells basically perfected it. Personally I found Sanctuary better, but your milage may vary.

>>720057561
>*sob* c-concession *sob* a-a-accepted........
Cope.

>>720057642
Game journos had a big "2D bad" attitude when consoles hit 3D. I remember when CV64 was revealed, NP even dissed SotN in one of their captions, for using sprites.

>>720057642
>it was mediocre in damn most game magazines in 1997?
They didn't. Pic related, circled scores are the ones given at the time of release.
>>720058052
No shit, of course a magazine dedicated to a competing platform would shit on a game from their competitor in any way possible. And it wasn't even NP proper, it was a British Nintendo mag that did that. And if you've read Brit gaming mags, most of them were written by low class wankers who scoffed at anything regardless of quality.

>>720058319
Listen kid, I'll let you in on a little secret: people didn't give a fuck about review scores and publications themselves would often backpedal on them. Games like FFVIII and Chrono Cross would get 9s across the board then mailbag responses in the following months would be taking a huge fat shit on them. Cute of you to larp as an authority for looking up wiki though.
>it was a British Nintendo mag
I'm not British, so the physical magazine I literally held in my hand and saw what I described couldn't have been that. Thanks for trying though!

>>720058469
I was simply pointing out anon here >>720057642 said magazines shat on the game at release when most of them didn't, calm down captain autismo.
>so the physical magazine I literally held in my hand and saw what I described couldn't have been that.
Well what was then? When people point to SOTN getting shit on for its visuals, they're usually referring to pic related.

>>720054885 (OP)
It's outdated due to how easy it is.

which are the essential metroidvanias i need to play before trying hollow knight to be able to judge it properly

>>720054885 (OP)
>>Still the smoothest gameplay in any Metroidvania
A castlevania for babies
>>Still the best graphics in any Metroidvania
Pffff hard carried by reused sprites
>>Still the best main character design in any Metroidvania
Take your nostalgia glasses off grandpa
>>720054885 (OP)
>>Still the best music in any Metroidvania
People only remember that track from Rondo

>>720059148
i will NOT play a game with a homo protag like that

SotN is comically overrated, it lacks the atmosphere of Super Metroid and also traded Metroid's user driven combat for prescriptive combat design, making for a far more shallow experience.

tendie has entered

>>720054885 (OP)
>Still the smoothest gameplay in any metroidvania
SOtN gameplay sucks

>>720061275
>prescriptive combat design
Hello schizo retard

ISSAC

>>720055547
>cringe hack and slash ps2
That's what almost 2 weeks finally came out or atleast what the reviews are saying... ffs the 9+ years old project, you should try it (in japanese though), it gets better the more you play it (not joking).

>>720061275
>user driven combat for prescriptive combat design
I'm not even disagreeing with you or anything, but what do you mean by this, really?

>>720054885 (OP)
I would argue Metroid Dread plays more smoothly than any Castlevania.

>>720057713
>Deadcells
ruined by being a rougelite with random gen stages

>>720059148
>Prologue
>Illusionary Dance
>Nocturne in the Moonlight
>Dracula’s Castle
>Dance of Gold
>Marble Gallery
>Tower of Evil Mist
>Wood Carving Partita
>Requiem of the Gods
>Crystal Teardrops
>Lost Paintings
>Dance of Pales
>Wandering Ghosts
>The Tragic Prince
>Doorway to Heaven
>Finale Toccata
I fucking love this game’s soundtrack

bump

>>720055098
>Shitty 2.5D aria of sorrow knockoff
lol
lmao even

>>720056614
>he still believes the lying devs
They literally took the map (screen) from super metroid. the gate to the underworld is a beast mouth which is directly taken from the entrance to lower norfair.

>contrarianism: the thread
booooooring

>>720057517
Zillennial here, it's great but hard as shit

Do I play it on PSP or PS1

>>720071264
PSP

>>720055614
for me i already completed castlevania 1 and 3 before playing SoTN, and i still liked SoTN the most, enjoyment doesn't increase linearly with difficulty

>>720071264
can't imagine sotn without the psx voice acting but it shouldn't really matter which version you're playing
just don't play it on the saturn

>>720071264
PSP with Japanese voices.

>>720057517
Harmony of Dissonance is the worst one, Circle of The Moon is the 2nd worst

>>720073436
>>720074395
>>720074825
Thank you

>>720056182
>CotM is the Castlevania game that's the most similar to actual Metroid.
let me see:

1- CoTM has certian floating enemys you have to freeze and use them as platforms to reach higher areas, it was cool when metroid 1 on nes did it, but it became redundant and a waste of time in every game that has done it afterwards.

2- while exploring the map of CoTM you only find upgrades to your max health and your max ammo, and key items like the double jump, and nothing else.

copying metroid's flaws was bad idea.

I think it's let down a bit by being piss easy.

>>720069040
The entrance to the valley of Bowser from Super Mario World was shaped like Bowser's head, i'm pretty sure Metroid did not invent beast mouth gates.

>>720055098
This!!! Even Alucard and Snake are in the game

>>720055717
The only 2 problems CoD had was it's level design and that it's combat should have been more like Ninja Gaiden/DMC, better graphics like Ninja Gaiden would have helped too

>>720055662
Castlevania 3D was released on N64

>>720055547
>Soulslike
Die

>>720055267
This is a cope as old as SOTN lol, Nintendorks have been malding that Super Metroid just wasn't as good for like 30 fucking years hahahaha

>>720054885 (OP)
My favorite ps1 game

>>720055098
I liked it a lot, but the presentation prevents me from wanting to revisit it. I was wondering how it would've been if they went with an HD2D style, like the same environments, but 2D character sprites. Wouldn't really work without access to Konami's back catalog of reusable assets tho

>>720054885 (OP)
>Still the smoothest gameplay in any Metroidvania
No, not even in its series. Food is fucking stupid
>Still the best graphics in any Metroidvania
No.
>Still the best main character design in any Metroidvania
Maybe?
>Still the best music in any Metroidvania
Debatable
>Still universally beloved by most gamers around the world
True, but it has been surpassed.

>>720075464
>Dawn of Sorrow is the 2nd worst
ftfy. CotM is a series top 5 spanning both the classics and the metroids, but if you only play the metroid ones, yeah, you probably got filtered.

>>720058319
>They didn't. Pic related, circled scores are the ones given at the time of release.
NTA, but this is really enlightening. I'm old enough to remember the game coming out as a teenager, and I distinctly remember reading a publication give a low score with reasoning being that it had dated visuals. I must have remembered the blurb from >>720058804 and applied that to the industry at large over time. Crazy.

>>720062998
I really like the sound design in Curse of Darkness's cutscenes. Very theatrical.

>>720083132
Thanks bot anon, but please post a scenario more believable.

>>720055267
Metroid games aren't metroidvanias.

>>720084845
But it's the truth? Nothing about my post was remotely robotic or difficult to believe.

>>720084681
https://youtu.be/vR7RlKc0x0o?t=1876
This is your reason...
DEFEND YOURSELF

>>720055267
The only good Metroid game was Super Metroid. As much as I loved that game, it can't touch SotN. SotN is a game you can just pick up and play and no matter where the flow takes you, you're always making progress and getting stronger. I think that's what made SotN such a perfect game.

>>720055098
this was ok. Didn't have the staying power or desire to replay that its daddy does.

>>720054885 (OP)
I really hope that their next Castlevania Collection includes SotN with all the content from the Saturn version, the PSP version of RoB, and the both N64 games.

>>720055547
>Soulslike ARPG
kys

>>720057637
absolute retarded dogshit taste

>>720056078
>>720056154
>Implying Leon doesn't look like Meg Ryan
>Implying Alucard doesn't look extremely femme
That's just how Ayami Kojima works. She's a fujo to her core.

>>720087232
>Nothing about my post was remotely robotic or difficult to believe
>truly enlightening reading these scores curated on a well known website I could've looked up in one minute on a phone
If that's "enlightening knowledge" to learn for the first time, you're either a bot trying to flatter me, or you live a third world shithole.

>buy the Dominion Collection because i was a huge fan of those 3 games and wanted to revisit them
>they included save states and rewind
Fucking unplayable. I don't care if I could force myself to not use the function, it's there so I'm always going to use it.

>>720091259
All three games are pretty easy. I can't imagine wanting to use save states for any of them outside of convenience.

>>720058804
I don't get it, arent you proving yourself wrong with your pic?

>>720055098
Maybe is good, maybe not. I will never know because the visuals look like vomit and I won't play it.

>>720068840
>directly improves every part of aria
Lol, lmao

>>720054885 (OP)
Because Portrait of Ruin does all of this but has better controls, balance and so much endgame content

>>720082520
Circle of The Moon and Dawn of Sorrow are both riddled with issues that i can't even figure out which one is the 2nd worst

>but if you only play the metroid ones
Played the classics as well, i would pick Super Castlevania 4, Castlevania Circle of Blood, or Castlevania Bloodlines over Circle of the Moon any day, these 3 games have better graphics than CoTM, better atmosphere, and the whip is much more satisfying to use in these games

>>720054885 (OP)
Love this game but it's too fucking easy and everytime I download a rom hack that supposedly makes it harder it feels like the same fucking game

>>720082520
I beat CoTM 15 + times as well as whip only. The games utter shit

>>720054885 (OP)
Mogged by every castlevania game after it.

>>720055547
>soulshart
Brain yourself

>>720054885 (OP)
Because Alucard is hot
The silk song bug is not

>>720055961
>Symphony bosses are harder than Bloodstained
This is the most delusional shit ive seen in a LONG TIME. And youre competing with Nintendo drones

>>720055547
I don't mind what Lament of Innocence tried to do. The game is just somewhat shit and pales in comparison to a score of its contemporaries. If it weren't for being Castlevania I doubt anyone would care about it or remember it.

>>720055098
This was fun and the art was nice but holy fuck the graphics were so bad
Like pure eyesore of horrendous color mixing, lighting, bad perspective (the lava tower)

>>720054885 (OP)
SOTN's atmosphere and presentation elevates it immensely. Same with Super Metroid too desu.

I think Metroidvanias are mechanically uninteresting for the most part, so I think why Super Metroid and SOTN succeeded is that they immersed you in a world so well. I have only recently played these games for the first time too, so there is no nostalgia.

I have played Hollow Knight and Bloodstained, and I just can't be bothered to make it more than a couple hours in. They are just too boring.

>>720090932
I was reacting with bemusement to the fact that I had mistakenly remembered something incorrectly. Why would I check the review scores of something that I remember incorrectly apropos of nothing? I think you just misinterpreted what I meant.

>>720091938
Only Aria of Sorrow.

>>720054885 (OP)
>still no difficulty after first hour

>>720054885 (OP)
I don't care for Judgment but good gawd I would lick Judgment Maria's thighs til the cows came home

>>720059050
Super Metroid
Symphony of the Night

and you’re good to go!