Thread 720069703

For all the astronomical sales of FF7, why does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
It seems like most people never played it whereas it's far easier to find people sharing images or talking about ocarina and mario 64 online, especially among normies.

With FF7 it always feels it's excluded to just final fantasy fans versus gamers and normies as a whole. But that always sticks out to me when I see the highest selling ps1 games list.

So many hardcore games sold millions on there. Vagrant Story, Suikoden, Xenogears. Games you wouldn't remotely associate as being normie console system sellers. It's like the ps1 was a hardcore gamer machine back at the time and had niche things become mainstream for a time but all of it was memoryholed.

It's bizarre to find that the n64 sold so little but is much more remembered fondly in a meme sense.

It's still baffling to see ff7 was the second highest selling ps1 game. you'd think it would be a sports title or something

>>720069703 (OP)
ps1 owners became normal people jobs while n64 owners became manchildren with youtube channels

>>720069703 (OP)
>why does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
Compilation and Remakes ruined the image of FF7 in later years. Most FF7 fans won't admit it.

>>720069703 (OP)
you beat a jrpg and thats it, most of the fun comes from the story and discovering the world.
gameplay focused games like Mario 64 are engaging forever and you can always come back and try new tricks or routes.

>>720069703 (OP)
N64 only sold well in America. Zelda and Mario 64 are an american only phenomenon. Meanwhile the rest of the world bought the PS1 and talks about FF7 nonstop and is instantly recognized around the world.

>>720069917
SPBP
Most people play video games as children and then move on by the time they reach the age of 16. Only eternal losers continue playing video games after high school.

>>720070024
Back in those days, replaying an RPG was actually a thing. I think because RPGs back then had less bloat.

>>720070024
still doesn't explain why every girl online is 10x more likely to post an image from ocarina over og ff7

because nintendorks never shut the fuck up about nintendo

>>720069917
/thread
Normal persons would not buy some expensive addon to play romhacks on ps1

There's a very simple explanation, the majority of those N64 console and game sales were in the US, and the internet was US-dominated for decades, so their popularity was inflated beyond reason

This is because Americans worship brands and bought consoles based on brand recognition ("it's a Nintendo!") rather than quality, SM64 and OOT are literally-who tier games in Europe

>>720069703 (OP)
These are the 3 best games ever made so I don't think it matters

>>720070024
>>gameplay focused games like Mario 64 are engaging forever and you can always come back and try new tricks or routes.
You would only ever do this if you had literally no other games to play, which was the reality for many SM64 players given the console's incredibly poor game library

>>720070351
there's some plausibility to this argument, OP

>>720070472
if ff7 is so great why did rebirth flop and only sold like 2 million units? and has only a 'mostly positive' rating on steam?

>>720070058
>>720070351
100% this, OP is obviously American. I've never heard anyone IRL talk about Ocarina. FF7 is way more popular in my country.

>>720070115
i dont think so, started with the snes era and only really bothered finishing a JRPG by the PS2 gen with Nocturne(before that would put ~10 hours in square games and drop), then started playing the old ones.
>bloat
attack, magic dmg and healing isnt that engaging specially on a second playthrough, customizing a SMT party was way more fun and made each playthrough a lot more varied and unique.

>>720069917
THREAD OVER

>>720070607
Because normalfags can't handle JRPGs.

>>720070583
>if game is so good why is different game bad???

>>720069917
This
>>720069703 (OP)
What's more bizarre is that Nintendo has released like 7 other 3D Mario and Zelda games since those two and yet people only ever bring up Mario 64 and OoT (Breath of the Wild being the single exception).

>>720070607
Most popular entertainment franchise on the planet is primarily a JRPG.

>but it does other things
So does literally every franchise at the scale of that or Mario and Zelda.

you can make a whole youtube career out of playing super mario 64 romhacks/speedruns. I don't think even romhacks of ff7 exist. while i think ff7 is more impactful of a game (iconic rpgs have the best stories gaming can offer) people will stop talking about them eventually, while we have simpleflips creating yet another roomhack competition and like 5 speedrunners doing daily runs trying insane tech to shave off .5 secs out of the current wr.

>>720070024
FF VII has replayability from the deck building elements. You can have different playstyles and different party builds. However you need to mash through text boxes for 50 hours to do so. SM64 and OoT replayability comes from collection or challenge autism.

>>720069703 (OP)
Holy shit this thread made the sonyfags SEETHE

>>720070731
They're not doing that because the game is good, they're doing it because they're autistic and have an unhealthy attachment to their childhood game

>>720070731
FF7 has new threat and probably other mods

>>720070787
>sonyfags
FF6 > Mario and Zelda.

FFVII was relegated to spin offs after its initial release. If you liked the game for Cloud, Tifa, the world, and the characters, you MIGHT like FFVIII... or you might not. You might not like IX. Or X. Or whatever.

In Mario games, you play as Mario. In Zelda games, you play as Link. They might be different Links, but it's still the green hat guy with the blue sword. How many mainline games had you playing Cloud? This is the problem with Final Fantasy in general. Each game was essentially a franchise of its own, that Square, in a weird way, let languish to a certain degree. At least until the money started drying up.

>>720070478
OP said "overall" popularity and to this day i dont really feel like replaying FF7 but would replay shit like mario and megaman any other day.

>>720070583
Rebirth is a sequel...

>>720070878
That's because FFs weren't soulless cash cows.

>>720069703 (OP)
ff7 was the most astroturfed game of the 90s

>>720070351
Wild to imagine that Nintendo would've gone under in the 90s if not for the US

>>720069703 (OP)
Because N64 had 10 great games while PS1 had 100, so the few games that N64 did get have more notoriety. FFVII was great but it was ultimately just another game for us. We didn’t spend years playing the same cartridge of Mario Party or Goldeneye; we had a bunch of other options at any given time.

>>720070731
>you can make a whole youtube career out of playing super mario 64 romhacks/speedruns
The people that do this aren't high functioning enough to get a real job, so they cope with this.

>>720070971
I mean you can argue that, sure. But in terms of keeping a franchise relevant? Might not have done the best job over the years. Honestly probably says a lot to the strength of FFVII that the only mainline game you could play as Cloud in after the first was the FFVII remake... Which came out 23 years later.

Imagine if you didn't get to play as Link for 23 years. Maybe at most in Smash Bros, or whatever.

>>720070796
To be fair being born with autism means you're stuck with one game or TV show your entire life.

>>720071104
Well, there are still lots of FF spin offs where you can play as Cloud and other protagonists, without ruining the original story

real ones know ogre battle is better than all that trash

>>720070796
>>720071101
>akschually the players that play sm64 are manchildren
ok? thats not even the point of the discussion.
the thread's question is why has sm64 more alive online discussion if ff7 sold more copies historically and im providing an answer

>>720069917
>FF7 fans
>becoming normal people
lol, lmao even.

>>720071413
Because of autistic manchildren obsessed with a game they played during their childhood, that's the answer.

>>720071263
Yeah, but they're spin offs. Imagine if OoT released, and that was it for Link for basically decades. Sure, there's maybe a game on the Gameboy, or whatever, and Link shows up in cameos in different games. But Zelda is essentially "done." Nintendo goes and makes plenty of Zelda-esque games, but they all have mostly different characters, and different settings. If you liked Zelda's fantasy aesthetic, would you also like a cowboy adventure game they follow up with? If you liked that, would you also equally like a sci-fi follow up to that?

Your answer might be yes, and they might all be fantastic games in their own right. But this is kind of what happened with Final Fantasy. They're all essentially separate games that just fall under a similar brand title, with some loose, loose connections. Especially as the years go on.

>>720069703 (OP)
I think it's easier to talk about sm64 or Zelda to someone who hasn't played the game si it's easier to hear about. What the fuck would you even say about ff7
Alternative answer
see these videos
https://youtu.be/y4bgiMlEYbU?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/0m9QUoW5KnY?feature=shared

>>720070351
When I think of intelligent consumers, I think of mexicans and other mystery meat brown countries.

>>720069703 (OP)
>For all the astronomical sales of FF7, why does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
Because you're a child.
FF7 used to be fucking everywhere. PS3 was sold with a FF7 tech demo. Old MLP (as in before G4, bronies and everything) had Sephiroth toys. Wreck it Ralph still makes Aerith death references. Et cetera.

The real "problem" is that FF has since died. Mario is still alive and has new games made. Zelda is still alive and has new games made.
But FF dug its grave and jumped right into it during the 2010s.
That's why you no longer hear about it.

>>720070351
Country?
German here and I knew multiple people with N64 and nobody with ps1

>>720069703 (OP)
GOTY Winner / Best-Selling Game (NPD Group) + Competition

1996 – Super Mario 64 — Nintendo EAD / Nintendo 64
/ Super Mario 64 (#1 NPD, Nintendo 64)
Competition: Tomb Raider, Quake, Resident Evil, NiGHTS into Dreams, Wave Race 64, Super Mario RPG, Panzer Dragoon II Zwei

1997 – GoldenEye 007 — Rare & Nintendo / Nintendo 64
/ GoldenEye 007 (#1 NPD, Nintendo 64)
Competition: Final Fantasy VII, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Fallout, Gran Turismo, Star Fox 64, Tekken 3 (arcadePS1 JP), Diablo, Age of Empires, Crash Bandicoot 2

1998 – The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time — Nintendo EAD / Nintendo 64
/ The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (#1 NPD, Nintendo 64)
(Unanimous GOTY — only one in history / Highest Rated Game of All Time)
Competition: Radiant Silvergun, Pokémon Red/Blue, Panzer Dragoon Saga, StarCraft, Baldur’s Gate, Suikoden II, Xenogears, Resident Evil 2, Tekken 3, Banjo-Kazooie, Star Ocean: The Second Story, Parasite Eve, Gran Turismo (NA/EU release)

1999 – SoulCalibur — Namco / Dreamcast
/ Donkey Kong 64 (#1 NPD, Nintendo 64, Rare & Nintendo)
Competition: Final Fantasy VIII, System Shock 2, EverQuest, Silent Hill, Counter-Strike (mod release), Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater, Planescape: Torment, Crash Team Racing, Mario Party, Pokémon Snap

2000 – The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask — Nintendo EAD / Nintendo 64
/ Pokémon Gold & Silver (#1 NPD, Game Boy Color, Game Freak)
Competition: Deus Ex, Final Fantasy IX, Chrono Cross, The Sims, Diablo II, Jet Set Radio, Perfect Dark, Skies of Arcadia, Vagrant Story, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, Banjo-Tooie, Paper Mario (JP)

2001 – Grand Theft Auto III — DMA Design / Rockstar Games / PlayStation 2
/ Madden NFL 2002 (#1 NPD, PlayStation 2, EA Tiburon)
Competition: Halo Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Final Fantasy X, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Devil May Cry, Max Payne, Ico, Advance Wars, DOA3

>>720069703 (OP)
>why does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
Because it is.

FFVII Remake and Rebirth both play more like OOT than og FFVII.

>>720069917
truth nuke

>>720069703 (OP)
you live in your tendie bubble echo chamber

>>720069703 (OP)
>why does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
it doesn't

>>720070731
>ff7 more impactful than sm64
>fucking jrpgs have the best stories gaming can offer
KEK

>>720069703 (OP)
>it's far easier to find people sharing images or talking about ocarina and mario 64 online, especially among normies
Where the fuck are these normies that are discussing any of these games? I actually associate with normalfags at my job and literally the only games any of them play, if they play games at all, are CoD, Fortnite and some mobile games. It's rare to see someone play a normal single player game at all, let alone shit from the PS1/N64 era.

>>720072698
He said RPGs, and it's true.

>>720069917
spbp

>>720069703 (OP)
It's because a lot of the people who bought FF7 at the time were expecting something more than what they got. I remember rumors of the game having a shit ton of returns so it didn't leave a lasting impression on a lot of the people who bought it.

>>720069917
trvke

>>720069703 (OP)
>With FF7 it always feels it's excluded to just final fantasy fans versus gamers and normies as a whole
This is your limited perception. Cloud and Sephiroth appear in more media than just FF spin-off games. Even their weapons are homages in other media.

>>720070351
Germans, Brits, Spaniards, etc seem to love the n64 on the internet sometimes just as much as americans.

>>720071981
>Nintendo won every year
>Sony fags claimed their games were better
???

>>720073268
Quality > Quantity

>>720069703 (OP)
I loved all 3 of these games. Kino time for games.

The PS1 has no soul. That's all there is to it, the PS1 has no staying power. The n64 and its ganes are packed full of soul.

>>720069703 (OP)
the 64 really only had about 6 games worth playing so its easier to get attached to those over the dozens of ps1 games shit all over the shitxy4

>>720073142
>Even their weapons are homages in other media.
>Masamune
its the go to legendary katana
>Buster sword
People will think of Guts before Cloud even if the swords are quite different.

>>720069917
half truth, the off brand sony console people were poor and
1. work in factory now, too tired for videogames
2. drug overdose
3. shot due to social happenstance

JRPGs have a lot of secondary fans, or fans who never actually managed to beat the games, because they tend to be kind of long and boring.
People like the characters and the music, and mistake that for liking the game.

>>720069917
Yeah, they bought into fad games, because most of them didn't really like games in a serious sense. Could have told you that at the time.
Tomb Raider sold so well. Did anyone really enjoy playing them? Did anyone complain when they just stopped making them?

>>720073354
Cry
>>720073498
Argument fails when the N64 always had 60-70% of the top 10 best selling titles every year

>>720069917
this is my older brother. he played games in the nes and snes and ps1 and the start of the ps2 gen but by mid ps2 gen he stopped playing games completely.

>>720069917
SPBP

>>720069703 (OP)
Your filename is wrong btw. Mario World, Sonic 1, and Pokemon Gen 1 all sold better.

>>720073748
As opposed to N64 players who bought their games because they had Mario on the cover

>>720069772
that Sony marketing budget worked wonders

I'm surprised Metal Gear Solid didn’t outsell FF7. I never met anyone who had played FF7 back in the day but I knew fuck loads of people who had played MGS1. I'm talking about fifa normies. They had played MGS1 and would talk to me about it. Even when I was in college in the 2010s those same fifa normies would still talk about MGS.

>>720069703 (OP)
squeenix kinda whore it out
you see, as the franchise went on, ff7 popularity was high as ever
so the side projects shenanigans began
dirge of cerberus, crisis core and so on. not terrible or anything, i think crisis core was very good actually, but they always add some stupid shit each entry
there's always something being retconned
but when you look at the story, ff7 used to be one whole story, one unit. mario doesn't give a shit, it's a platformer, an entirely different approach. zelda is actually more akin to the ff franchise, as in every entry is its own contained thing, but nintendo actually understands this and doesn't retcon shit, what's done is done. even the few direct sequels respect the source and don't fuck up
squeenix saw a fat cow and decided to milk the soul out of it

>>720074180
And kept playing them, because they were good.

>>720073780
argument works when the shitt4 was a massive flop with 3 games worth playing

>>720074295
Because they believed any game with Mario on the cover was good

>>720070758
If it’s 50 hours long, it’s not even worth a playthrough, let alone a replay. Dumb snoy

>>720073485
not with that ugly ass un-ergonomic horrendous ass controller reminiscent of something from the atari/colecovision/intellivision era

>>720073748
> Did anyone complain when they just stopped making them?
Not really, because they twisted what Tomb Raider was long before it died.

>>720074132
>pack-ins

>>720069917
Pack it up, thread's over. OP is a fag a never had a chance.

N64
>SM64
>Paper Mario
>Banjo
>OoT
>Pokemon Snap
>Excitebike
>Jet Force Gemini
>Kirby 64
>Mario Kart (outclassed by CTR, only fun with friends)
>Mario Party (only fun with friends)
>Goldeneye (only good if you hadn't played shooters on PC before)
>Perfect Dark (see above)

and any multiplats were better on PS1

PS1
>FFVII
>FFIX
>FFT
>Vagrant Story
>Xenogears
>Valkyrie Profile
>Legend of Dragoon
>Chrono Cross
>THPS 1 and 2
>Spyro
>Crash
>RE
>MGS
>SotN
>Ridge Racer
>GT
>Driver
>SF Alpha 3
>Tekken 3
>CTR
>Spider-Man
>Tenchu
>Twisted Metal 2
>Tomb Raider
>Wipeout
>Silent Hill
>Ape Escape
>Soul Reaver
>Syphon Filter

>>720074472
and then they played them, and kept playing them, because they were engaged.
That's why the PS1 adopters were more likely to "become normies". They were always normies. They bought fads over games that were fun, and that they had a genuine desire to play. They'll be the people binge watching Netflix shows they don't even like, these days.

>>720074581
We know Emerald Weapon was too hard for you, tendie.

FF7 used to be mentioned just as much online but the series fell off a cliff harder than Zelda
There used to be Cloud vs Link debates everywhere lol

Also it’s one of the first big movie games

>>720074680
The later PS2 ones are no worse than the early ones. What changed is the fad ended.

>>720074842
I dropped FFVII in the snow village because it wouldn’t fucking end. Why so FF fanboys think a bloated game is a high-quality game?

>>720074972
Because you pay less for more content.

>>720070351
>Europe buys 80 million Playstations for the 5th fucking time
>le heken epic wholesome sony bros
>USA buys some Nintendo consoles 30 years ago
>USA BAD

>>720071539
He said PS1 owners

>>720074816
Because they believed any game with Mario on the cover must be good
>he thinks the people buying Mario games because they're Mario games aren't the normalfaggiest of the normalfags
lmao

>>720075080
Yes, but they keep going back to the same games, because they remain fun.

>>720075043
Doing the same thing over and over again until your brain is sludge is not content.

>>720070693
Sunshine flopped
Galaxy flopped
Galaxy 2 flopped
Odyssey was a moderate success but not on the level of 64
Majora's Mask flopped
Wind Waker flopped
Twilight Princess flopped
Skyward Sword flopped
Tears of the Kingdom flopped
SM64 and OoT are still the best in the series. BotW is a good and successful game but not a good Zelda game.

>>720069917
TRVTH NVKE

>>720075047
European Sonyfags are the biggest thoughtless consumer retards, I swear. They will literally just buy the Playstation because it's the Playstation, and then play nothing but Fifa.
That's not even to say Sony consoles didn't have good games. It's just not what these people were playing. They weren't playing Symphony of the Night or Megaman X4.

>>720075158
Which they believe simply because there's Mario on the cover, and throw tantrums when he isn't, like in the case of Astrobot

>>720075379
They aren't sonyfags, they're normalfags

>>720074816
i cant think of anything more normalfag than buying 3d mario and zelda, what a faggy post. ps1 had so many more new ips than the 64

>>720075454
Because if you play Mario games, you know they're good, and come to associate Mario with quality.
If the games were bad, people wouldn't keep coming back. I dunno what you're confused about.

>>720075494
Same thing.
Normie console.

>>720069917
I wish I could be a successful 'tendo 'tuber....

>>720075529
Other way around, they only play Mario games because they have Mario on the cover, and reject better and more fun games because they don't have Mario, like Astrobot

>>720075523
People weren't playing them.

>>720069772
Sports titles are separated yearsly.

>>720075454
Astrobot is also a boring game that people liked because of the references to other IPs, and because it was an extremely rare example of a Sony game with some semblance of gameplay. The platforming was basic and lacked any of the depth or momentum of a 3D Mario. Astro's Playroom had better levels and collectibles.

>>720075713
See, you proved me right

>>720075609
That's no one I've ever met. Mario fans tend to also be Sonic fans, Crash fans, etc.
If you're a platformer enthusiast, you're going to play a lot of platformers. Stands to reason.
And yeah, Astro is pretty good, but it's also literally Mario Galaxy. Like almost exactly.

>>720071062
Yea. Their sales were on a constant downward trend since the SNES which is crazy to think. It wasn't until the Wii that Nintendo managed to make themselves financially competitive again.

>>720075801
>criticism of Astro Bot isn't valid because... um... you're a Mario fanboy!
There are plenty of good platformers besides Mario. Astro Bot doesn't even measure up to Gex on PS1 because they sanded down all the edges and made the most basic thing imaginable that isn't Super Lucky's Tale.

>>720069772
Yeah it's really weird. As someone who grew up in a PAL region where no one had a N64 and everyone had a PS1 no one played Final Fantasy games.
Tekken 3 and Gran Turismo 2 were the games everybody had

>>720075668
Yeah they were

>>720075882
>It wasn't until the Wii that Nintendo managed to make themselves financially competitive again
Nintendo dominated the handheld market, they were only struggling with home console sales. At no point in their history were they not financially competitive.

>>720075267
stopped reading at Galaxy because it sold more than 64 you retard. Console waring kikes are always extremely disingenuous. You have to fact check everything these niggers say.

>>720075973
credit where credit is due. It's a cool game for something that comes free with your console.
I do kind of hate Astro as a character though. He's the definition of soulless.

>>720070173
The other zelda and mario games are more accessible, being playable as short action games, and their sequels and extended shit cover the same characters and themes, or shit close enough that they know it, even having never played it, like brawl, or emulation.

FF7 is much less accessible in that way. The sequels the mainline FF really don't have the FF7 crew showing up.

>>720070878
It should have meant they had a bigger crew to make gacha out of, but they can't do that either.

>>720069703 (OP)
Mario was a household name long before a single unit of Mario 64 was ever sold.

I don't think FF7 brought anything particularly interesting to gaming in general. Not to say it's a bad game or anything, but it could have not existed and I don't think much would have changed in gaming based off of the game itself. The results of its financial success are a different matter, sure.

>>720071981
Look at that shit. It was clearly a blessed time. Even the third place game every single year will completely destroy whatever we have for GOTY today.

>>720076093
Like two people know what Vandal Hearts is.
I had to find out after the fact that the PS1 had cool games on it, because people weren't playing them. They were playing Fifa.

>>720076192
So was Final Fantasy and Zelda, what a stupid point to make

>>720071539
My sister's husband is normalfag as fuck and he told me he played FF7 as a kid when he saw me playing XIV.

FF7 didn't move the JRPG genre forward any.
Mario64 & OoT both revolutionized their respective genres.

>>720074890
it feels like ff7 is a remnant of 2005-2007 era square and old online culture where something like carmeldansen was mega popular and dancing tech goths. also that kingdom hearts paring lot larp video. none of that ultra sincerity cringe exists today. also that old era of squeenix had an ambitious quality looking to future of tech. the secret trailers at end of kingdom hearts fueled so much speculation and their e3 trailers for 13, that ff7 ps3 demo were huge. it felt like star wars levels of hype. it just doesn't exist anymore to the same degree and square is borderline double A now in terms of "ambition".

>>720069917
more like
>ps1 owners were early millennials in middle/high school at the time who largely stopped gaming as young adults, while n64 owners were younger millennials in elementary school who didn't grow out of vidya
who the actual fuck thinks high schoolers don't play video games? is not a single fucking anon here familiar with the whole fucking halo fratboy dudebro stereotype? 4chan nowadays is more retarded than facebook was a decade ago

>>720076321
Even at it's peak, Final Fantasy was never matched the name recognition of Mario. Not even close.
Furthermore, even if it had, each Final Fantasy game is a new setting and cast each time, so that popularity would not correlate to individual games being well known.
Whereas for Mario (and yes, Zelda), you'd basically have to add up the units sold for all the games in the franchise for OP's image to make more sense.

It's not like you see people hear people talking about Mario all the time and think
>Mario?
>Mario from the popular 90's game Mario 64?
>Why does that one game have so much more cultural relevance than other single games that outsold it?
I mean, unless you're the retard that made this thread anyway.

>>720073614
>People will think of Guts before Cloud
Based on what? FFVII has more recency bias than Berserk to newer generations. Probably why you neglected to address my other point in my previous post.

>>720076318
So what's the n64 equivalent of Vandal Hearts? Oh it doesn't have one, or any RPGs for that matter, because it's a normalfag machine to buy the same 5-6 Nintendo games

>>720069772
Im pretty sure sports titles mega popularity really was a ps2/gc/xbox thing. Their still did well.before that but the jump.in graphics was huge and thats when i noticed people really talking about madden every year.

>>720069703 (OP)
I love FF7 but it does literally nothing mechanically you couldn't do five years (or maybe more) prior to its release. It's also visually outdone by MANY of its contemporaries from 1996-1998. Its story is one of my favorites in vidya, but in terms of where the medium had been going it's not like the mediums through which it tells its story are blazing trails like what MGS and Half-Life would be doing just a year later. There's also stuff like Fallout and Planescape within the same gen for detailed text-based storytelling to compare it to if you want.

>>720075267
Damn their doing pretty good for a company that only puts out flops. Any other not takes smarty pant

>>720076859
Depends on the how you define it. Sin and Punishment, Hybrid Heaven or Ogre Battle 64 could fit that comparison

>>720076859
Ps1 was the normalfagenist console of its era and im not saying it as a insult but everyone had one icluding my at the time 30 year old drug dealing uncle. N64 was poplular amongst kids and people who specically were fans of nintendo games compaee to ps1s more general audience

>>720077578
yeah but look at the highest selling ps1 games. it was far more hardcore than recent sony consoles. it was a brief blip where niche things became partially mainstream like gory 90s anime. silent hill and ace combat sold over 2 million units, parasite eve, silent hill, xenogears

>>720076718
Final Fantasy 7 sold two million copies on its launch day in Japan
Mario is more recognizable to people who don't play games sure but to act like FF wasn't one of the most popular videogame franchises in the early nineties is crazy

>>720069772
Games were still mainly nerd territory around that time. It wasnt until PS2 era when the urban demographic picked up a PS2 to be a DVD player and realized it also doubled as a NBA and FIFA machine.

>>720069703 (OP)
ps1 emulation wasnt as good and mario and zelda speedrunning became popular

>>720069703 (OP)
You live in an echo chamber.

>>720069917
kek
literally this

My aunt for example, super successful and was a massive FF fan but definitely never played those tendie games back then.

>>720069917
TRVKE

>>720074890
>FF7 used to be mentioned just as much online
I would say more but yeah SE has dropped a nuke on the goodwill people used to have for them. The only FF fanboys are deranged lunatics like XV-kun or contrarians who didn't even like the old games. And troons playing the MMO I guess.

>>720069703 (OP)
>10 million units sold
>Can't even break 7k players
No one actually believes this, right?..

>>720076227
use your brain buddy

>>720069772
fifa wasnt good untill like 08-12 one of those games fifa got really good before that it was shit worse then pes but kids wont but manchest blue (i did)

>>720074794
n64
>a small yet concentrated library of literally the best games of all time
ps1
>a large library of games that all range from mediocre to shit. also there's metal gear solid 1

>>720080987
Steamies don’t play games, they just buy great deals so they have content.

>>720071981
gta 3 is in no way close to ffx

>>720082262
>n64
>a small library of concentrated dogshit. also there's paper mario
ps1
>a large library of of literally the best games of all time

>>720082262
This. Who needs Xenogears when Quest 64 is right there?

>>720070095
Why are people like you here? Surely normal people don’t post on /v/.

>>720082308
I guess that makes sense. What a bunch of retards

>>720082412
>Who needs Xenogears
Now you're getting the big picture.

>best horror games
>best extreme sports games
>best RPGs
>best platformers
>best kart racer
>can soft mod a memory card and play burnt games instead of buying some shitty chink flash card
>can play CDs
>higher frame rates and better graphics
PSX rapes the 64 all day.

>>720082592
all that yet worse hardware and graphics

>>720069703 (OP)
Maybe cause the areas were more engaging in m64 and oot, while ff7 relied more on dialogue? I remember areas and characters in ff7, but fuck me if i can remember the dialogue

>>720082917
Oh, yeah, this>>720070024
Nvm

>>720071073
>>720073498
These, everybody owns the same three fucking games on the 64 because there's nothing else to play

>>720083035
Not everyone has:
Rocket robot on wheels
Robotron 64
Beetle adventure racing
Quake 2
Fighting force 1 + 2
Body harvest
Mischief makers
Forsaken 64
Excitebike 64
Harvest moon 64
Aidyn chronicles

>>720069703 (OP)
PS1 owners are dead and the tiny remains that aren't are in retirement homes.

I love when people bring up the N64 (the console that lost that gen) because it's always followed up with angry third worlder (Europeans mostly from bong island) SEGA and Sony fans bad-mouthing the N64. All this because people talk more about it. It has gotten so bad that these guys think there is an Illuminati of Nintendo YouTubers trying to erase the PS1 and Saturn and that the N64, a Japanese console, is some form of American cultural weapon.
Maybe the reason these consoles ain't talked about as much is because they are not as impactful as their fans think they are.

>>720085535
see >>720070351

>>720073748
There are more Tomb Raider games than there are console Mario platformers.

>>720069917
GOTTEM

>>720069703 (OP)
> why does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
It honestly doesn’t

>>720071073
I've got 22 games in my collection. It used to be 30 games but I had to sell some for money a few years back. Meanwhile, I own about 10 PS1 games. The idea that the PS1 had 100 great games is laughable. It had so many games and 99% of them were shovelware garbage.

>>720069917
SPBP
/thread
there really is no other explanation

>>720069703 (OP)
Because only 30 million peole bought an N64. But Ocarina was by far the better game.
And the PS1 aged like fucking shit.

>>720071981
Man, 98 really was the peak year of videogaming. 2000 gave a strong ending to the generation, then 2001 showed us just how great the next generation of games could and would be.
1998 was definitely the best year in gaming of all time, but was 2001 the last truly great year in gaming?
>>720082319
You wouldn't understand. You just had to be there.

>>720086728
All PS1 classics are still playable and look great, all N64 classics are clunky as shit and ugly as sin

>>720070351
What's up with Brazilians and internet? You always see them around.

>>720086337
>wrestling, smashtranny, shit version of thps, and mario party
a fourth of your games are shovelware sis. the shitty4 fucking blows lmao tenchu, crash, spyro, resident evil, thps2 silent,, ff7, ctr, gt, mkd, it's unfair to even compare them honestly, the ps1 takes such a fat fucking shit on the shitty4 anyone who says otherwise is clearly a mentally retarded subhuman who shouldn't be listened to

SM64 and OOT are still amazing games. FF7 was always overrated and set the stage for the madulin, overblown movie games we see today. PS1 had much better games like SOTN and even CTR are far better.

>>720069772
Blacks didnt play video games until like 7th gen

>>720087065
FF7 is as still playable and accessible as Mario 64 and OoT.

>>720080987
It's a 30 year old single player game that's been re-released numerous times on multiple platforms. Never has a steam chart been less relevant to the discussion.

>>720069703 (OP)
Jrpgs were not something you wanted to have in display for other people to see. they were something you kept hidden in your room that wouldn't dare touch the family tv so it was only you and sometimes your nerdy friends that would see them played. The other games were perfectly fine to be played anywhere so friends and family would see it played even if they didn't play it themselves

FF7 pushed the industry forward, for better or worse, with it's budget, advertising, and emphasis on FMVs. You see it's influence all over the direction gaming went

>>720076135
Wrong, stop talking out your ass

>>720085946
dude just on /v/ alone there's way more threads for mario 64 and ocarina than final fantasy. final fantasy is in its own lane with a minority of dedicated fans. it honestly feels less popular on v than other jrpg's like trails of the sky

>>720086952
No, a fourth of my N64 games are single player games. I guess you didn't notice that the rest of the games are all multi-player. I'm sorry that you didn't have friends to game with back then. It was a great time. I'm also sorry you feel the need to console war, you're only hurting yourself.
> tenchu, crash, spyro, resident evil, thps2 silent,, ff7, ctr, gt, mkd,
If I wanted any of those games you listed, I'd own them. Case in point, I do own THPS2 for the PS1. The others are not worth anything. What even is MKD?

>>720069703 (OP)
>does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
It's not. People thinking M64 and OoT are good games is just an online tendie thing. It doesn't happen in reality.

>>720087791
It used to be the other way around, FF7 and JRPGs were board favorites but that changed with the normalfag and wiikids invasions, and /vrpg/ splitting off from /v/

People who want to talk about RPGs go to /vrpg/ to talk about RPGs, whereas SM64 and OOTfags are more interested in improving public opinion on the console war Nintendo was absolutely destroyed in so they stick around in /v/ for popularity

>>720075267
>Galaxy flopped
>Galaxy 2 flopped
>Odyssey was a moderate success but not on the level of 64
What kind of drugs are you on. All those games are more popular and sold more than 64 ever did.

>console war fagging over consoles from 30 fucking years ago
Lel, being a console warrior to begin with is just pathetic but this is next level.

>>720070664
Normies literally played FF7, they never bought or played any other JRPG

>>720082262
>>720082378
The problem with PS1 is a lot of its games had better equivalents in the arcade at the time.

>>720088109
N64fags will never ever give up their obsession with the N64. It's just mental illness at this point.

>>720087831
i didn't ask what you like you obese gaudy shovelware-loving faggot, the ps1 rapes the shitty4 in every conceivable way

>>720088326
Nobody ever asked for you to exist either, yet here you are.
>obese
Don't project your problems on to me.

>>720087831
>No, a fourth of my N64 games are single player games
And how many of them are good games still worth playing today without N64baby nostalgia goggles on?

>>720069703 (OP)
64 and OOT are not super popular, but later games in their series' very much are.
Compare that to FF which used to be big, but hasn't had any cultural relevance in over two decades.

>>720088806
>>Compare that to FF which used to be big, but hasn't had any cultural relevance in over two decades.
FF14 is surprisingly big

>>720088883
XIV acquired a critical mass of autists an expansion and a half ago, and it's backfiring heavily this expansion.

>>720088883
MMOfags don't play or care about any of the other games. And it still is nowhere near as popular as modern Mario and Zelda titles.

>>720087791
You are blind. There have been constant ff7 threads and nobody talks about trails. People might talk Mario in general but not m64 to a large degree
Strangest thing to have delusions about. Get a job

>>720069917
Other way around. Those ps1 fans grew up to be trannies who still have a hate boner for the N64 and Saturn.

>>720089078
>MMOfags don't play or care about any of the other games.
When I used to play XIV, it was fucking staggering how many people I met in it that haven't touched another FF. It's just the perpetually-online "Social gamer" type that only wants to play online shit with a text box.

>>720089302
Why are you putting the Saturn next to the N64? The Saturn actually had games to play.

75% of this thread is the macaco samefagging his own anti Nintendo post btw.
Won't make him any less raped n gaped tho

>>720088289
You say that as it isn't PS1fags the ones that are always crying that people may like Mario 64 more than 20 PS1 rpgs.

>>720089523
Only if you're a 日本人. 外国人 got fuck-all on Saturn.

>>720089523
yeah all those boring ass jrpgs, outdated arcade ports and sick photo galleries.

>>720089586
More like people are rightfully calling out the N64tendie delusion about M64 and OoT.

>>720088773
All of them. If they weren't, I wouldn't own them.
>N64baby nostalgia goggle
Look, if you can't start talking like an adult, then I'm not going to speak to you anymore.

>>720069703 (OP)
>Consoles for patricians
Sega saturn
ps1
>Consoles for man children
n64
snes

>>720089963
I own BK, Mario 64, OoT, DK64, and MM and they all suck. What's your point?

>>720090031
snes is kino and the ps1 is its true successo. 64 is a dogshit abomination

>>720069917
>ps1 owners became normal people jobs
Not true, they grew up to become shitposters on 4chan.

>>720089302
you cant grow up to become transgender, it starts at birth you bigot.

>>720090118
i can get behind that take

>>720090096
Why do you own games you don't like? Are you actually retarded?

>>720090804
You can play video games without actually playing them? That's impressive.

>>720090804
Pretty sure this is the same faggot that bought a Switch 2 just so he can bitch about it on /v/ all day.

>>720090887
Don't try acting smart. It doesn't become you. You obviously know that a person can sell games they own.
>>720090934
He seems to just want to be hostile and mean. We're talking about 30 year old videogames. There is no need to be upset.

>>720091319
>that a person can sell games they own.
For a grand total of like 10$. Wow.

Man, I literally never saw an N64 outside of a kiosk until I bought one for like $79 on clearance just to play OoT because I read it was good in magazines. I think people that were in their mid-late teens were just completely shut off from N64 culture after they lost all their third party developers post-SNES. If you wanted a home version of an arcade game, sports, RPGs, even famous licenses for the most part, you just never had a path to wanting an N64 when it was relevant with the sole exception of really liking the Mario brand.

>>720091721
So you think you can buy Banjo-Kazooie, Super Mario 64, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Donkey Kong 64, and The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, all for just $10?
To put it simply, you can't, and you're wrong.
>For a grand total of like 10$. Wow.
>10$
You don't even know that the dollar symbol goes to the left of the number. No wonder you think those 5 games would only fetch $10. Do you see how your attempts at being condescending and mean have only outed yourself as a fool?
I will not be humoring you any further. Best of luck in getting over your genuine mental problems. Goodnight.

>>720092636
Crazy how N64fags refuse to actually talk about video games.

>>720092730
Even crazier is how the pstrannies continue to talk about the N64 more than N64 fans, instead of just talking about all the rpgs they/them "supposedly" "played"(i.e. watched). Talk about being obsessed lol.

>>720069917
This.
As a videogame company you should never appeal to normalfags and casuals because "they grow up" and forget about the fun they had when they were younger

>>720093142
>continue to talk about the N64 more
You mean retarded tendies is pretending a linear moviegame like OoT is the best game ever made?

>>720094062
Thanks for proving my point, you obsessed and obese tranny.

>>720094342
Actual retard.

>>720069917
The average nintendo fan is more successful than the average sony literal nigger.

>>720069703 (OP)
>>720069772
ff7 was marketed hard to normalfags

FF is dead. Yamauchi won.

>>720069703 (OP)
Most of my friends have played FF7 and either Mario 64 or OOT. FF7 got played, the sales numbers are right there.

N64 had way,way,way more cultural penetration than playstation though. That's why. Millennials still make n64 stuff. There's big projects going on now like pathtracing for emulators and recomps for PC versions, or kaze's mario 64 game. There was render96 to overhaul the graphics of mario 64 before the project collapsed. There was portal 64 before valve told the guy to stop. PS1 culture was transient, players grew up and moved on. N64 is immortal. It will always be the height the gaming for some people in their lives.

>>720086431
>hmmm...could it be that nobody has given a fuck about Final Fantasy in 15 years, while Mario and Zelda are still hugely talked-about franchise?
>Nope! Impossible!
kys retard

>>720069917
Oney plays

>>720069703 (OP)
because tendies are fucking zealots. they cant simply say "this is my favorite game" or "i had the most fun playing this when i was a kid". instead they try to genuinely claim "this is the greatest game EVER MADE" and deny any and all criticism of the game.

>>720069703 (OP)
It's because Square butchered any reputation for the installment and any goodwill left for the company.

>>720069917
so many comments because it is true. I don't see men who wanted to be like Cloud and fuck Aerith or Tifa end up being a man child.

>>720069917
weird samefag

>>720070351
>SM64 and OOT are literally-who tier games in Europe
lol wut
Let me guess, you are american. Only an american can be this retarded.

>>720070351
It was popular for good reason. This era was better. Second world euros and third worlders had bad taste and it was a mistake letting them online.

>>720076516
The Halo dudebro hasn't existed in like 15 years, excluding the 40 year old manchildten that never outgrew it.

>>720102390
>>720070351
americans really live rent free in your faggot brains

>>720076859
Quest 64 shits on all of those.

>>720069703 (OP)
SM64 and OoT are still goated with satisfying gameplay, perfect pacing, peak level design.

I have no idea why you would include FF7 in this picture though.

>>720069703 (OP)
>Mario 64 commercials: Showed gameplay
>OoT commercials: Showed gameplay
>FF7 commercials: Fully pre-rendered segments

>>720069703 (OP)
Clearer, more simple iconography at every level. Makes it easier to spread out and be recognized among people who didn't even play the games

>>720074794
Nice try to leave out Majora

>>720069703 (OP)
I'm not reading all that

>>720069703 (OP)
>For all the astronomical sales of FF7, why does it feel massively less popular overall than Mario 64 and OoT?
Because it was, especially in the west.
>32mil N64's vs 100mil PS1's means the per capita sales of the Mario and Zelda are much higher.
>Final Fantasy VII's primary market is Japanese, the N64's primary market is American.
What this means is that if you time traveled back to 90's America and broke into random homes you'd find the average American N64 owner would be far more likely to have Mario than the average American PS1 owner would FFVII.
Not shitting on FFVII, it was very popular at the time, especially for a JRPG in the United States, it just wasn't Mario 64 popular.
>It's bizarre to find that the n64 sold so little but is much more remembered fondly in a meme sense.
That's because the N64 was hugely popular in the United States. It sold 20mil units in North America which is roughly the same amount as the SNES, it is not surprising Americans remember it so well. If you didn't have one you knew someone who did and since it was famous for it's 4P multiplayer, even people who didn't own it have fond memories.

>>720069917
>normal people
So you've never heard of Final Fantasy house?

>>720071981
I'm glad I lived during this golden age, we'll never get something like that ever again

>>720070351
I'm German and everyone I knew had an N64 or a Gameboy growing up. I don't know anyone who had a PS1 (except my dad). It was only in 6th gen when Nintend𐐬 starting being perceived as uncool and everyone had a PS2 instead. You are actually insane if you think SM64 or OOT are "literally who" tier. Everyone knows these games