Thread 720074818

Post about metroidvania, metroid-like, Igavania, whatever you like to call them.

Top 5 games?
Most disliked games?
Looking forward to?
Currently playing? Besides Silksong

>>720074818 (OP)
>Looking forward to?
Leonard! Alexander!

>>720074818 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
In no particular order.
Ender Lilies
SotN
Rabi-Ribi
Nine Sols
Vigil
Most disliked games?
Timespinner and Sundered
Looking forward to?
Bloodstained 2, Crowsworn and the hypothetical sequel to Rabi-Ribi since Tevi was more of a retarded spinoff
Currently playing?
The Last SotN-like game I played was Tevi, it was alright, but nothing compared to Rabi-Ribi.

>>720074818 (OP)
I bought the Dominus collection but I played all of it already back then so haven't opened it

I found two games that had a Castlevania-like visual (and gameplay) called Remilia something (Touhou-related) at Yodobashi for relatively cheap. Bought them and they are also sitting on my shelf. Any opinion on it?

what do we think of /ourgirl/'s list?

I'm seeing the term Metroid-likes more recently
I'm glad since I've been pushing about Secrets design being an inherent component of Metroid that's often put aside in MetroidVanias.
Though I need to check if it really means what I'm thinking (search-action and secrets?)

>>720077607
No rabi ribi so her list in invalid.

I'm kind of a secondary to the genre. Really enjoyed Animal Well and Environmental Station Alpha. Tried Axiom Verge recently and bounced off of it. Been thinking of going through old classics probably starting with SotN or Super Metroid.

I will not play Silksong

How's Blasphemous? I'm thinking of trying it after Silksong

>>720078038
Pretentious garbage, just like HK so you will love it.

>>720074818 (OP)
>top 5 games
Rabi-Ribi
Hollow Knight
Rusted Moss
AM2R
TEVI

Silksong might replace hollow shart
(these are the only 5 metroidvanias I have seriously played)

>>720074818 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Bloodstained
Rabi-Ribi
Super Metroid
Aria of Sorrow
Afterimage
>Most disliked games?
Other M, Metroid Dread, Ender Magnolia, TEVI, and Gal Guardians 2 for all being disappointing shit sequels.
>Looking forward to?
Grime 2 and Bloodstained 2.
>Currently playing?
I started X-Fusion but I got distracted.

>>720077780
Both good picks though SotN overstays its welcome after the twist IMO and dying leads to taking too long to get back into gameplay so I recommend using savestates at appropriate save locations to save time from restarting from start screen.

>>720077607
I'm not watching her video to find out what her bad taste is and also her channel's acronym is CBT

>>720077665
>I'm glad since I've been pushing about Secrets design being an inherent component of Metroid that's often put aside in MetroidVanias.
That's got absolutely nothing to do with it, it's about how metroidvanias have more focus on RPG mechanics such as levels and gear and NPCs and sidequests compared to Metroid-likes just being like Metroid which has none of those things. By these definitions Valdis Story is a metroidvania and Ex Vitro is a Metroid-like.

>>720078038
Very mediocre. It's pretty but that's about it, the combat isn't interesting and the game design is brought down by various baffling choices like only being able to equip a limited number of relics at a time for no reason and what the effects of some relics / powerups actually are.
I haven't tried 2 and I've heard conflicting opinions on it.

>>720078038
It's fun, but there's a lot of instant death pits and spikes that feel more in line with a traditional platformer rather than a Metroidvania. I've heard the sequel changed that, but I haven't played it yet.

>>720074818 (OP)
Which ones can I play on my 3ds? Besides the castlevanias from CotM to OoE, since I've played those a few times already.

>>720079004
Mega Man ZX

>>720078038
kino, gameplay is ok

>>720079004
The 3DS don't have any metroidvanias, this is due to the fact that by the time the 3DS was around Castlevania already died and metroidvania was still not a solidified genre so there are no 3DS metroidvania games.

You can however play all the 6 metroidvania style castlevania games from the DS and GBA libraries on your 3DS + metroid fusion, monster tale, Megaman ZX/advent, aliens Infestation, shantae games and shaman king master of spirits.

Why are the backgrounds in zero mission so fucking bland? Fucking circle of the moon is a better game than this

>>720074818 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Rabi Ribi
Order of Ecclesia
Bloodstained
Super Metroid
Symphony of the Night

>Most disliked games?
Anything where combat revolves around a dodge/parry button. I can tolerate it to an extent in 3D games, but not in 2D ones.

While I didn't put enough time in to it to really hate it, I also dropped Hollow Knight almost immediately. Something about the movement or camera bugged me, and I really dislike the art style.

>>720077489
>Any opinion on it?
They're not as good as the games they're imitating for the most part, but they're reasonably fun and have some decent boss battles.

>>720078384
Afterimage was fun. I also ended up being fairly disappointed with Gal Guardians 2. It's bizarre that its more linear predecessor has more interesting movement options, as opposed to just steadily unlocking an increasing number of mid-air jumps and air-dashes.

>>720074818 (OP)
Is that new Prince of Persia game any good? I saw it was on sale for like $15 but it gives me the vibe its going to get very samey and repetitive fast.

>currently playing
Idk if Laika Something Blood Subtitle counts as a metroidvania but close enough. I got bored and dropped it, probably wont pick it back up.

>>720078038
The art is more memorable than anything about the gameplay but I had a good time with it. I would say it's worth playing but probably not replaying.

Dread is the best Metroid no contest, best game and level design

Playing Silksong reminded me how much of a B-list game Hollow Knight was (and is) compared to actually good 2D metroidvanias of that era, such as Ori.
It's not even about liking or disliking it, it's just that a cheap hostel doesn't really compare to a 5-star hotel.
It's both funny and sad how a 6.5/10 game from 2017 is a massive cultural phenomenon just because it was delayed until 2025, where the overall level of the medium is so much fucking lower.

>>720081284
I wish it was less linear. While it doesn't directly point where you need to go like Fusion and Prime 3 (and surely Prime 4), you really can't go off the beaten path, and the way backwards is also always locked out.

Super Metroid is the best and aged incredibly well too.

Super Metroid will never be topped.


Still troonsong is only 20 bucks. Is it any good?

>>720083861
If you liked HK, you'll like it.
If you didn't like HK, you're not going to like it.

>>720083926
I never played hollow dyke

>>720074818 (OP)
What map is that? I feel like I can almost recognize it but not quite

>>720074818 (OP)
How the fuck haven't they still topped Symphony of the Night?

>>720084394
That's castle 1 in SotN nigga, come on now

>>720074818 (OP)
>Top 5
Rabi-Ribi
Aria of Sorrow
Ender Lilies
Super Metroid
Steamworld Dig 2
Special shoutout to Monster Sanctuary, which is barely a 'vania but I liked the RPG side of it quite a bit.
>Most disliked?
I honestly don't remember most of them. I know I dropped Sundered at that point but does that even count when it was all randomly generated? Shit sucked.
>Looking forward to?
Bloodstained 2, easy. Can't wait to see that job system that they've teased in action. It's either going to ruin the progression or make it the most unique progression in the genre. I don't see a middle ground and I hope it hits the latter.
>Currently playing?
Almost done with Shadow Labyrinth. It has been, outside the Pac-Man levels, a complete and total Hollow Knight clone and I don't mean that complimentary. Still, it's been FINE overall. I've really liked the Pac-Man levels so it was worth a pirate there alone for me.

>>720074818 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Rabi-Ribi
SOTN
Aria of Sorrow
Super Metroid
Zero Mission
>Most disliked games?
any of the Metroid 2 games (including AM2R)
La-Mulana
Blasphemous
>Looking forward to?
Rabi-Ribi sequel
Xanthiom 2
>Currently playing?
Zexion

>>720078038
It's even worse than silksong or hollow knight, not a single movement upgrade for the entire game.

sotn is shit compared to super metroid

Ender Lilies is one of the most boring games I've ever played.

>>720085613
It's more fun when you make use of all 6 ability slots.

>>720085350
>Can't wait to see that job system that they've teased in action.
First I've heard about it but sounds great. Sounds a lot like FF5 on the surface.
>You can choose from over 10 different classes and level up each one as you play. By leveling up, you can learn new skills and abilities. Additionally, some magic and skills can only be learned in specific classes. Skills learned in one class can be carried over to other classes if certain conditions are met, so players become stronger as they progress.
>For example, you might start by mastering the Fighter class and then learn the Ninja class later. Skills you acquired as a Fighter can also be used when playing as a Ninja.

>>720078038
It's great but 1 is only sort of a Metroidvania. One of my favorite action platformers, though. Top notch art and music

> Top tier
Metroid (a real non linear labyrinth with repeated assets, humongous for its time)
Super Metroid (organic level design, long optional areas)
Axiom Verge 1 (atmosphere, art)
Castlevania : Order of Ecclesia (overall gameplay, interesting exploration/rpg mix)
>Most disliked
Metroid Dread, (it's a streamlined action game, its a good game in its own tho).
> Not played but had good feedback
Environnemental station alpha, Bloodstained 1 & 2 most of IGAvanias are good exploration games.

>>720078038
I don't like it. It feels like a shitty 2D Dark Souls clone rather than a Metroidvania. Terrible platforming, terrible exploration and slow clunky combat. It's not fun.

>>720085836
I have to wager it's a very specific subset of people who hear "Yeah, we're doing FFV in our Metroidvania" and get excited but I'm proud to be part of it.
God, I hope they pull it off.

>>720086274
It's kinda funny, I didn't care much for FF5 on its own, but slap its jobs onto Portrait of Ruin's buddy system and I'm sold. Didn't know it added proper two-player too, until I looked up an interview after what you said about the classes.

>>720074818 (OP)
Steamworld Dig is a 9/10
Steamworld Dig 2 is a 10/10

>>720074818 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
1. Cave Story
2. Silksong
3. Super Metroid
4. La Mulana
5. SotN

>>720087738
trifecta of overrated

>>720087905
>Cave Story
>overrated

>>720087929
severely yes actually
tough to name one more so.
>decent indie game launched before any and all indie games
>held up in the hall of fame for fucking ever

>>720074818 (OP)
A lot of Ribi-Ribi mentions ITT. It looks more like a bullethell from some of the screenshots, what gives?

Reminder that when any game on /v/ is discussed someone will remember "the shit version of that game" and desperately try to detract from discussion of it.

is Rabi-Ribi really that good? It looks like weeb trash

I guess it could be considered more like a Zelda game, but Phoenotopia is one of my all time favorite Metroidvanias
It's a shame it didn't sell that well

>>720088335
It's both. The exploration element is incredibly in-depth and if you manage to figure out the hidden techs (I do not recommend looking them up, just find them naturally), then the game opens up to the point of a 0% Run being possible. It's about as non-linear as a game in this genre can possibly be.
The fights themselves are bullet hells but they're still in a 2D Platformer perspective (MOSTLY) so you're still using whatever you find in combat as well. It's not that bad a bullet hell, either. A Normal Mode run is a decent challenge if you're pretty new to bullet hells and a Hard Mode run will put some hair on your balls. That said, there's still another two difficulties above it as well. Great game, can't stress it enough.

>>720074818 (OP)
I played very few metroidvanias and the only one I completed was Bunny Must Die. I wish it was longer.

>>720074818 (OP)
>Favorite
The Ender games.
The Ori games.
Metroid Prime (1 and 2).
Grime.
Astalon.
Special mention to SOTN for introducing me to the genre back in the day.
>Disliked:
The Shantae games. I finished Pirate's Curse, but didn't really like it that much. Tried Seven Sirens next, and dropped it after an hour.
Nine Sols. Too much story.
>Playing:
Silksong, in the middle of act 2, might drop it. I don't really enjoy bloated metroidvanias. My favorites are pretty short. Was playing Supraland before starting Silksong.
Finished Minishoot adventures last week. Really cool little game.
>Looking forward
Grime 2 and Bloodstained 2

>>720079004
Steamworld Dig and Shantae and the Pirate's Curse. Blaster Master Zero also I guess.

>>720085350
>Steamworld Dig 2
I was really liking it but it abruptly ended when it felt like I still had 2/3 of the game left to go.

The new prince of persia game is on sale, should I fork over 15 bucks for it?

>>720089652
>inventory filled with dozens of items that need to be equipped and used situationally instead of ever giving the player improved abilities or innately expanded skill sets
I don't understand the appeal of this.

Ori 1 and 2

>>720088274
>launched before any and all indie games
Indie games go back to dos (and before) lel

>>720091314
it's like 14 hours long if you 100% it, you didn't feel satisfied?

I liked paradiso guardian

>>720074818 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Super Metroid
Aria of Sorrow
Environmental Station Alpha
Metroid Prime 2
Zero Mission

>Most disliked games?
Megaman ZX was probably my biggest disappointment

>Looking forward to?
Getting back to La Mulana, eventually...

>Currently playing?
Silksong

>>720074818 (OP)
I've been playing Hollow Knight, such a fantastic game.
What other Metroidvania games would you recommend aside from Castlevania and Metroid?
I already got Blasphemous

>>720092721
Environmental Station Alpha

>>720089165
I've never seen it mentioned before so I'm assuming all of the posts mentioning it ITT are the dev subtly advertising it

>>720090410
This was extremely popular on /v/ back when it first launched in 2006
I miss old /v/

>>720091881
It took me literally half that time.

>>720092721
Salt and Sanctuary.

>>720093490
maybe you will stop to smell the roses and being a tranny

>>720091574
It's fun because the abilities are useful in both combat and exploration

>>720094389
That applies to Metroid-likes, not Zelda-likes.

>>720083751
Super Metroid's controls sure as fuck haven't aged well. Needing to hit Select of all fucking buttons to toggle items gets real old real fast.
Honestly if it wasn't for that I'd call it a perfect 10/10 game.

>>720088274
It played it for the first time recently and it was genuinely one of the most fun games I've played in years.

Everything about the game just feels so fucking good, the pacing, level design, and bosses are just absolutely ace. It's just a really, really solid videogame-ass videogame.

>>720092994
I remember finding it on simulationstyle around that time. People used to think it was free back then. I still have a burned CD with the original version on it somewhere.

>>720092834
Dumb newfag.

Hows Axion Verge 2? I enjoyed the first one.

Zexion is incredibly underrated

>>720091996
I wanted to try this game, but I think it has gay sex.

>>720078038
Very trial and error, which meshes poorly with mechanics that punish dying. But combat is satisfying when you get the hang of it. I just beat the electric guy's clone, think I'm stuck after missing the grappling item

>>720077238
Rabi-Ribi was something else, Tevi is serviceable but a letdown to be sure.

>>720096112
I was browsing /v/ before you could even read, zoomzoom

>>720074818 (OP)
I'm just waiting for rabi ribi 2. And tevi on sale though I don't exactly have high expectations of that one because of all the complaints I read on /v/

>>720078038
game is okay, although there's a pet peeve of mine where I hate its constant mention in metroidvania discussions, it barely qualifies in my eyes as all the upgrades are very boring and don't change your character's moveset in any way, they are all just "key" type of upgrades in the strictest sense of the word

>>720092834
newfag

>>720078384
>>720080437
really nice to see some love for Afterimage every now and then, that game really surprised me in a good way when I played it last year, I wonder if they'll ever make another one

>>720074818 (OP)
I just beat Prey 2017. The gameplay was fantastic, a new standard for all new Shocklikes, but the story was iffy.

>>720097708
Hopefully if they make another one they won't machine translate it again. That's Afterimage's biggest flaw.

>>720096554
It’s Axiom Verge but it takes place outdoors and the sound track is mostly exotic.

If Axiom Verge is rated 9/10, Axiom Verge 2 is an 8/10 – an enjoyable sequel but it doesn’t top the original game.

>>720075214
No one else is talking about how we're finally getting a gameplay sequel to Portrait of Kino, how come no other game has ever experimented with this idea and tried to perfect it before?

>backtracking in hollow knight is shit
>THATS THE WHOLE GENRE BROO
Then why didn't I feel this way while playing Castlevania games

>>720099510
There is Astalon, but instead of 2 characters you can switch between 5, you start with 3 and can't switch them on the go until you get a key item, each character plays slightly different and get movement abilities that you need to use to progress.

But technically you will always want to be using the red one since she has the best mobility and range attack.

>>720100296
Because Castlevania knew backtracking was annoying and had several great options to mitigate it
>Movement options that deal light damage that instantly kill weak foes, you no longer spend time on
>Great placement for warp rooms
>Level design naturally guided you in a round trip around the Castle, unlocking convenient shortcuts that looped back to other past areas
>OoE straight up had disconnected levels, meaning you didn't really have to go through a bunch of shit to return to the area you wanted to in the first place

>>720100296
Tighter maps and faster movement

>>720100296
They have well designed maps + backtracking is usually rewarded with a new weapon or armor.

Like returning to the castle entrance in AoS to get that sick ass lighting weapon that shreds motherfuckers.

Top 5 for me would be
1. La-Mulana
2. Super Metroid
3. Hollow Knight
4. La-Mulana 2
5. Hard to pick between SOTN/AoS so both

Honorable mentions to Rabi-Ribi, every other Castlevania, Bloodstained, Environmental Station Alpha, Nine Sols, AM2R and pretty much every Metroid game, recently started Silksong and I'm enjoying it a lot so far.

I don't particularly hated any but I wouldn't want to play Axiom Verge and the Shantae games again.

>>720082061
>Ori
pft

>>720101525
>I don't particularly hated any but I wouldn't want to play Axiom Verge and the Shantae games again.
Understandable given Axiom Verge is terrible and Shantae is held up by porn

>>720077665
>X-Fusion came and went without Fanfare.
>Even Super Junkoid was far more engaging despite being a Super Metroid Re-skin

>>720074818 (OP)
Phantom 2040 is pretty overlooked. Very weird game.

What are some shameless Metroid ripoffs aka sci-fi metroidvanias that are shooters specifically?
I finished Axiom Verge the other day and realized I've been ignoring a cool subsection of games. Environmental Station Alpha was much more amateurish in level design, art style, and I didn't like closer range melee gameplay

>>720104656

Check out Nitecyte on itch.io, currently just a tech demo though

>>720103729
yeah I really don't get how people can love axiom verge so much. the game is just a mess

>>720100296
You have god tier movement in Castlevania games. You could get Wing Smash + Gravity Boots just after beating like 4 bosses in SoTN and it didn't require you that much skill, just knowing what to do with the tools you have on your disposal. Even in games where your fast movement options came late like Aria and Dawn, you still have teleporters next to all interesting spots and moving through the map on feet was fast enough. PoR and OoE straight up segmented all the maps so you wouldn't spend the game just going back and forth the same locations.

>>720074818 (OP)
"search-action?" more like "searching for the gameplay" cuz i've been wandering and backtracking through the same hallways for 10 hours

>>720106376
Filtered lmao

Which castlevania game should I play for spooky month? I can only play one because I'm playing through all of the top down Zeldas right now and that is taking all of my game time and will likely be playing them until after october.

>>720106504
Curse of Darkness :)

>>720074818 (OP)
having a lot of fun with rusted moss, recommended for anyone who likes grappling hooks.

>>720074818 (OP)
Just started playing Environmental Station Alpha, pleasantly surprised by the level design

>>720104656
Bladechimera, nice visual, decent gameplay

>>720106504
Circle of the Moon Thief Mode

What's with this Rabi-Ribi meme answer people give to their favorite metroidvania? Just one look at the cover art and you can tell it's weeb trash

>>720105306
mf is indeed making a metroid game

>>720107401
Rabi-Ribi has 3 qualities that /v/ love
1 it gatekeeps faggots with the art style
2 potentially hardcore gameplay
3 cute bnnuy girls

It is only natural that vee loves Rabi-Ribi, aside from those qualities Rabi-Ribi is a non-linear metroidvania which gives you heaps of freedom of when and how to progress.

Like, you can fight the underwater boss before you get the item which allows you to move freely underwater is not the intended way to do it, but you can go and do it anyway even if that will make the fight a ton harder than normal.

>>720083861
better than hollow trash but it still is a flash game platformer with mediocre combat

>>720074818 (OP)
Hollowlike*

>>720107401
the kawaii shit is a filter, it's genuinely got very good level design and progression.

>>720108056
be quiet little gay faggot

Playing silksong and after that i will play hollow knight. Silksong has very slow progression but when it hits it hits just right. Silksong is obviously designed in Fromsoftwares "fuck you" style but more extreme which I dont really like. It seems they went ahead and tried to make it not necessarily fun but rewarding. 18h in and I guess im at the end of normal ending and now I need to do side quests to get the final act ending

>>720108512
irrelevant moviegame series for gooners and trooners
Shitroid has no reason to exist, especially now in a post Silksong world.
This series is will fade to nothing, as it belongs. Cope and seethe all you want.

>>720075214
It looks as bad as the first one, and I backed it up on ks.

They need to hire a fucking artist asap

>>720083751
Honestly Dread really isn't that linear at all, but it's easy to think it is because of how often to stops you from back tracking.
That was a really weird design decision that to this day I'm not sure what the devs were going for with it.

>>720077607
She is also streams with her bf or husband so she clearly has been tamed.

>>720109119
>all this crying and seething
Why are Hollowfags so insecure? You're never gonna stop people from using "Metroidvania", keep coping.

>>720109119
prime 4 will outsell singsong btw

I've only played the Castlevania and Metroid games, of which I consider Aria of Sorrow to be the best. But I also just started Hollow Knight, and if it's half as good as everyone says it is, it should become my new favorite.

>>720075214
I like how it looks, but I miss this incredible piece of ass like you won't believe.

>>720109607
miriam wife

>>720099026
2 had better music in my opinion

>>720109498
>this moviegame slop will outsell niche kino!
wow anon, what a bold prediction anyways have fun playing your shit moviegame for braindead toddlers

Any 3d metroidvanias besides prime? I played Vomitoreum but it just didn't feel the same.

>>720110238
Castlevania Curse of Darkness

>>720110238
Pseudoregalia. It also mogs the shit out of the nostalgiaslop that is Prime.

>>720110563
I really didn't enjoy this or Metro Gravity even though both seemed to be designed to scratch my itches.

>>720094752
You can rebind those.

>>720099510
>>720100397
Pampas & Selene did it best because both characters had their own strengths and weaknesses and swapping between them both regularly was encouraged by the mechanics and didn't feel like you were gimping yourself, unlike the other games where one character is just blatantly better and you use them 90% of the time.

>>720111439
Maze of the Gallious remake when
come on don't make me wait a decade like with La Mulana 2

>>720104656
There was Ghostsong and it sucked.

>>720106767
Retard.

>>720107401
Where do you think you are?