Thread 720075809

Why is Unreal Engine so hated?

>>720075809 (OP)
It sucks

>>720075843
How does it suck?

Homogenizes everything into slop

because gamers are retarded and don't actually understand what is wrong with the games that they play and it serves as useful catch-all to blame everything on

>>720075941
this and no more needs to be said

>>720075809 (OP)
Normies are still too scared to call out jeets so they just blame the engine instead.

>>720075941
Not really. For example, Pseudoregalia is nothing like MGS Delta

>>720075980
What the fuck is there to understand when only UE5 games have UE5 stutter. I've never seen it outside of UE5.

i like how ue5 showed everyone the universal level of incompetence there is with current game developers

>>720075809 (OP)
UE often gets shit on for games running poorly or for stuttering, but Avowed shows that it's really about how devs use it

>>720075809 (OP)
browns can't run it

>>720076191
Monster Hunter Wilds

Games run like shit, regardless if they're open world or linear PS2 levels.
Lumen introduces more ghosting than modern TAA.
Devs shove Lumen i,n even if the game is set in entirely static environment

Bad defaults, forced TAA, new features that dont work with traditional rendering techniques. Its spaghetti engine that was made for FPS games and noe its aiming for film industry, not games

>>720076191
You'll get stutters like that whenever ANY engine leverages on the fly shader compilation and geometry/texture streaming. None of which are required to be enabled for a UE5 game, nor are developers required to use the default UE5 implementation of them.

>>720076598
UE5 uses both forward and deferred rendering at the same time

>>720076661
>>720076737
>>720076809
Nobody developing in UE5 is required to use Lumen.

>>720076930
Yet literally everyone does

>>720076972
Then blame developers for not wanting to spend the time on their own lighting solutions.

>>720077057
It's almost like every new UE5 heavily advertised advancement is either about Lumen or Nanite.
Just few months ago everyone shilled megalights as the next big thing

Because all UE5 games run like shit even on the best hardware while most gamers have low end hardware. Just because the game barely runs at 60fps on a 5090 with frame gen on doesn't mean it's acceptable

Is it ultimately the devs fault? Sure. Do I care? No

>>720077205
Then why can I play Fortnite on an 8 year old laptop?

>>720077180
do you prefer baked, static lighting and cubemaps?

>>720075809 (OP)
Because the engine is literally sucks nigger dick
Most of UE problem happened with CPU and you have to play around with external setting outside of in game quality/video preset in order to make everything works.
Days gone for example have this stupid issue of microstutter in pc port, so what is the solution to fix that problem? Lowering the video quality? Run the program as administrator? Nope, the solution is to change your output sound to Soundbar and the game will run smoothly after that. And that's just days gone

A poor workman blames the tools.

>>720077180
https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/unreal-engine-5-6-release-notes
Seems like there's a lot more than just Lumen and Nanite in there to me.

>>720077280
If that ensures solid rock framerate without constant graphical artifacts, sure.
MGS Delta and Silent Hill 2 would definitely benefit from that

>>720077516
>In Unreal Engine 5.6, First Person rendering is now Beta.

>The First Person rendering method prevents player hands/weapons from clipping into in-world objects, and includes a separate field of view (FOV), which means developers can specify a FOV that differs from the rest of the world for their first person assets.

There's no way it took them so much time from UE4 release to do this

>>720077479
UE is a cheap engine, its cheaper to pay for UE license for gayme development rather than developing your own in house engine

>>720077538
I think those titles used Lumen and Nanite not because they are better but because they speed up development as now devs don't need to waste time baking lighting and making LOD models

>>720076191
The stutter existed sincd UE3 with borderlands 1 and some other open world games like that stupid vin diesel gta game. They don't exists on corridor or instanced UE3 games.

>runs like ass
>games that use it do not look that good for it to run that ass

normalize in house engines again

>>720077825
In house engines are basically a waste of time unless you need to do something very specific that other engines can't do. You're basically wasting time and money just to make an engine that most likely does what other engines already do, and in a probably more retarded way than what is proven and widely understood.

>>720078135
Only AAA studios and 2D retro trash indies can afford to do in house engines anymore.

>>720077883
Konami was going to show both of these on E3 2021.
These were originally developed for UE4.

Somehow those remakes took more time to make than the originals.

It's ironic that games take more time than ever to make, despite everyone saying that UE5 and raytracing will make game development faster and cheaper.

>>720078135
RE Engine, Slipspace Engine, FF16 Engine, Creation Engine, and Hedgehog Engine are in-house engines and they also perform poorly.

>>720078251
Development on a single piece of software does not scale. You never really internalize the absolute truth of Price's Law until you work for a large software company.

>>720078385
Sure, Creation Engine for running like ass is a given but what's wrong with slipspace engine?

>>720076737
>>720076809
>>720076889
>ITS REAL TIME LIGHT BRO!
>*is actually half a second delayed*
just burn it all down at this point
start over, we went wrong somewhere.

>>720078562
Nothing is wrong with any of them. They're designed to do what they do. They're a good fit for what they're designed for, and not a good fit for what they're not designed for. Just like every engine.

>>720078562
>what's wrong with slipspace engine?
It runs badly despite not looking all that impressive due to tech debt

>>720075809 (OP)
Fornite is horribly unoptimized, and it's by the DEVELOPER OF UNREAL ENGINE 5. That's why Unreal Engine(5) is hated.

>>720078867
Works on my machine

>>720078867
Fortnite scales massively, you can play it on a toaster. You're actually retarded.

>>720075809 (OP)
the engine is so bad it's.. unreal

>>720077205
>Because all UE5 games run like shit even on the best hardware
Wrong. Sonic Racing Crossworlds runs really well and that's an UE5 game.

>>720078867
>Fornite is horribly unoptimized
no it's not?
are you retarded?

>>720078220
And commercial engines are nothing but modified powerpoint template
So, in between wasting your time (or even paying) for something that was made authentically that can only be found in one place or something commercial that can be found anywhere, I'd rather choose the former

>>720079176
>And commercial engines are nothing but modified powerpoint template
what is this even supposed to mean?

>>720079176
Retard mindset on the level of seeing reinventing the wheel as a serious endeavor.

>>720079176
when's that sokoban game coming out Jon?

Honestly game devs should use ue/unity/etc only for prototyping and then write the optimized "engine" when they know what they need. Its not hard to figure out optimal rendering and datastructures when you have everything else figured out.

>>720075809 (OP)
mogged by gzdoom games

>>720075903
uses teeth

>>720079067
It is. I don't have stuttering issues in any other game. Yet Fortnite stutters like crazy despite having a more simple cartoony look to it.

This entire thread proves that fucking Quake 2 RTX does better than every Unreal Shitengine 5 on the RT and PathTracing department, and unreal just and still sucks against Id Software's engines.

>>720080230
Quake 2 RTX doesn't have thousands of high poly assets in a giant open world like UE5 games.

>>720080230
mind repeating that in english, ESL?

>>720076972
>everyone
Yet you post same few webms.

>>720080454
>>720080464

>>720076112
Pseudoregalia had a dev who gives a shit behind it. UE5 still encourages laziness for devs to not put effort into the art.

>>720075809 (OP)
It's misunderstood

>>720075809 (OP)
because I have a shitty console

>>720075809 (OP)
It sucks

>>720075809 (OP)
poor people cant run the games that use it

Fuck UE5

>>720085943
Poor people are not a good metric for understanding who is wrong. Anyone could be poor.

>>720075809 (OP)
Unreal games look like fucking shit

>>720086265
>>720086520
But The First Descendant is saving gaming

What I love about UE5 is that basically the whole industry fell for a few bullshit trailers.

>>720075941
Its ok when renderware does it!

>>720075809 (OP)
>Why is Unreal Engine so hated?
There is nothing wrong with it fundamentally but it has become the lead platform for sholveware given how easy it is to make a game from a template.

Every dev group uses the same template with the same default settings mean for higher end PCs even if the game uses simplistic assets.
You would see a massive change if the templates Epic provided were better well suited for lower end equipment's but they are demos meant to impress potential buyers, so when a company with enough capital gets the license the just handle it as is to a punch of pajeets who repeat the same 10 steps they were taught off from youtube.
Hence all you get is shit.

If anything you get more playable games off from UE5 than when the industry used UE3 as a template, so it is an improvement but you know, you get more trash that you would otherwise get.

>>720076889
>>720076809
>>720076737
>>720076661
>Literally worse than Quake 2
Behold the marvels of the year 2025.

Unreal Engine games all look the same

>>720076972
>watch some shitty "I recreated the sims in UE5"
>uses lumens
does the engine not have any good lighting LMAO

>>720077180
here's a new one for you!

>>720088331
they feel the same too.
same combat animations
same combat effects
same terrain textures
same lighting
same brown and bloom look

>>720086520
That weird fizziness to shadows/ammbient occlusion made me think my GPU was failing while playing Oblivion Remastered, What a fucking dogshit engine.

>>720075809 (OP)
epics evil is now seeping into its engine

>>720088026
True
Quake 2 RTX is miles better, but that's because of Quake 2 RTX is exclusive RTX rendering.

>>720075980
Merely coincidence that every ue5 game is an unoptimized piece of shit

>>720075809 (OP)
it kills games

>>720076349
Another terrible engine, didn't even bother to buy it

>>720087495
Yeah and Renderware was released in 1993, this is 32 years later, no excuse.

>>720086841
goonslop is not saving gaming
if anything, it's making it worse, considering how hypermonetized TFD is

>>720075809 (OP)
I'm sure there are many larger problems, but this is the one I can't stand for some reason. The white sheen that's on everything. Shows up especially with black leather or shoulder pads. At least the devs of FF7 remake tried their best to counter this.

>>720075903
Temporal tech for everything.
It looks like shit in motion and since it's temporal, they slap any super heavy feature with it and call it a day. 0 optimization or though into it. Just look at dithering.

>>720075980
>play UE5 game
>poor performance
>play non UE5 game
>acceptable performance
simple as that anon

>>720076764
Every deferred engine uses both.

>>720076930
Lumen IS the reason UE5 exists. They redesigned it around lumen and nanite, removing most of the old features in the process. No wonder they are putting them back in with each update due to the dev backlash. It's a mess

>>720077057
That's what an engine is for anon, plus the engine is 20+ years of code, most of it outsourced. You don't want to touch that shit.

>>720075809 (OP)
I recently decided to try and animate in UE5:
> started an empty project
> 45 fps with NOTHING in the scene
> did the same with UE4 - 144 fps