Thread 720099587

Game is huge

Stop with the tranny art

>>720099587 (OP)
>PASHANKA
What does it mean?

>>720099587 (OP)
how the fuck do I enter the slag
where the fuck are the maps for the mist and blightwater or whatever the poison area is

I'm not the only one who destroyed the memorial statue at Bone Bottom because I thought it would keep giving shards forever, right?
I also destroyed the bridge, I feel so bad for this town

How do I get this flea fella?

I love muscular bug women

Can anyone show me a full map? I feel that I’m missing quite some stuff, I think I did the myst area but it doesn’t appear in the map

is it really necessary to add two big guards as the runback between this duo boss fight in coral palace?

bug

>>720099776
https://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1757088134209.png

>>720099667
For Slag, either get kidnapped, or find the key from Putrified Ducts.
Blightwater map is... On the the right side, if I remember correctly. So not the Exhaust Organ entrance.

>Missed Sherma in Bellhart because I was running to the fast travel
>Come out from fast travel immediately, but she's already gone
Fuck, I hate this shit.

can anyone tell me if magma bell works on Father of the Flame?

>>720099817
just jump over them broseph

or be grateful for an easy excuse to farm anal beads to finally buy that expensive ass trinket in bellworld

>>720099847
Is there one not in gay language?

QUESOOOOOOOOOOOO

>get to architect
>all this stuff and no rosaries
Sometimes this game is funny.

>>720099587 (OP)
At what progression can I take on the Beastfly boss?

Have:
5 masks including crit, wanderers crest mostly upgraded, silk storm, spool upgrade, tool capacity and damage +1

He's not even close to feeling doable for me. I'm just not able to get hits in without trading my life away for it. What the heck is he so hard for? Makes me feel like I need a huge power boost to even the playing field.

every citadel boss is kino
every not citadel boss is shit
why is that

>>720099847
How do you get to that little nub to the right of the Bell village?

>>720099921
which beastfly

>20 or so uncontested hits
Is this normal or did my moorwing just not feel like getting up after faceplanting into the platform.

>>720099921
stop being bad

>>720099894
i dont think a jump is high enough for them.
also which bench is the best for the runback anyway?

>>720099776
https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom

So are nail upgrades much later in the game or is this game just stingy with upgrades?

>>720099973
bounce off their heads if necessary
the shrine bench is literally a straight line to the boss

>>720099847
>https://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1757088134209.png
>Grober clockenweg
>DAS FORUM
>SAND VON KARAK
o i am laffin

>>720099963
Do you need to fight him 2 times?

Any mushroombros know where the Cage one is?

holy shit the courier quest is cancer, the silk speed item is basically mandatory, went left from bellhart and up through shellwood, blasted steps, then gate + chambers

sprint + jump and forward claw over any shit there is

>>720099998
There's one upgrade in act 1. There are two more in act 2, one of which you'll have to work your ass off for. I think there might be another one but I haven't found it.

>>720099921
The first one is easy, try to hit him while avoiding damage.

>>720099962
Chapel of the Beast

>>720099968
I hate this run back so much im looking for help first. Why the fuck couldn't the shortcut bypass tedious jump sections?

>>720099847
Damn missing verdania dick shit whatever that is and that shit above blightown, I mean I beat the boss and got there but I just don’t know how to progress that

>>720100030
No. That was the first down and just ended up staying there. I'm guessing not intended.

>>720099587 (OP)
bugs can't have muscles like mammals you dumbass

>>720100065
and by speed I mean silkspeed anklets

>>720100089
yeah you definitely need to stop being bad, the second fight is way worse

>>720099921
silk storm should oneshot the adds
if you are struggling to avoid beastfly by himself and need to use so much silk to heal that you can't spare any to oneshot the adds then i'm sorry but you are simply not cut out for the later sections of this game

>>720099963
You did not beat the game

>>720099921
Savage Beastfly is an RNG boss and don't let anyone tell you. I'm sorry to say but you have to roll until you get a non-aids mob spawn.

>>720099847
danke

>>720100059
I would assume that's the first sinner, but I don't know

>>720100059
in the slab next to the secret boss you'll need the key of the apostate

>>720099963
Nah he gets stuck on that easily.

>>720099587 (OP)
>comfy thread
>cropped porn
you failed

>>720100117
Source?

so how can 3 people make a game this big and thousands of ubishit employees can't make one good game?

>finish the cauldron
What? Where do I go? Do I just farm rosarios to open up the door?

if she's part spider why is she called hornet?

>>720099963
How did you even get him there? That's like 2-3 maps next to the original location

>>720099963
my Moorwing destroyed some platforms higher up, am I fucked?

I thought there couldn't possibly be a worse runback than Bilewater. I was wrong. FUCK VERDANIA.

>Game has contact damage
>Game throws enemies at you that have 0 knockback when you hit them, they force the contact no matter what
>Your only option is to either waste shards or slowly matator them over a comparatively giant battle for how often these enemies are literally just rats
Silksong is the poster child of artificially tedious enemy design. Silver place medal to the gaping wet pussy who designed all the flying bugs to automatically retreat if you ever get close to them.

>>720100261
the latter's job isn't to make good games it's to trick retards into buying assassins creed for the hundredth time

>>720100261
passionate and skilled game designers vs dei hires being run by corporate retards

>>720100117
Those are mammal bugs

>>720100261
Look at how many sales HK made then look at how much Ubisoft games make. It's incomparable.

i havent seen the little singing guy since the beginning, did i accidentally skip him somewhere somehow
i just killed widow
>>720100089
i did it without pretty much any upgrade other than the boomerang from the vendor inside the room near the bench
you dont need a crazy strat
>he zooms along the ground
jump over, maybe get in a pogo hit
>he zooms above
jump a little and get a hit from under
>he zooms near to the ground
dash under.
>he ground pounds
dodge, attack then jump+attack when he goes up to reset for the next ground pound
>he summons adds use boomerang to help clear or use his ground pounds to help clear them while you focus on attacking him. if you get stuck in a corner with that one bug that does a bunch of slashes, spam attack to parry him throughout the attack

If you are clinging to a wall, press the dash button to clamber up it, and then press jump during the animation, nothing important will happen but you will do a flip

>>720099587 (OP)
OOOOH he** yeah she's one of my favorite girlbosses from the game ^_____^

>>720100295
because she stings

>>720100075
Where the fuck is the upgrade in act 1??

>>720100272
did you get the grapple? if so almost the entire game is now open to you aside from a few areas that require double jump
it's in mount fay if you're curious
anyway just go where your heart desires

>>720100319
Also, this mantis dancer "rematch" is terrible.

>>720100323
And yet, the game makes it possible to avoid every single enemy with quick enough movement.

>>720100272
You need to escape out of the upper right, use your clawline on the respawning minions to get up there

>>720100323
The ghost things in The Mist are a quick summary of the problems with this game's enemy design.

When it's great it's great. I wonder if they'll ever adjust anything.

>>720099921
Try and keep him above you as much as possible. His down slam is easier to dodge and can also kill the adds for you if you position them right

>>720100323
>flying mobs that get spaced out enough cause of the retarded backing away they do that literally no tool or attack or spell will reach
Did they forget to add a limit to how far they can go and how far they can attack from?

>guys what if we just made HollowKnight but with a worse moveset and doubled the health of all enemies?

Like what the actual fuck were they doing for 6 years. Clearly not playtesting. You know they must have realized they fucked up mid development considering you literally unlock old hollow knight's moveset later on

post yfw ACT 3

>>720099694
from greymoor. there's a hidden area above it

>>720100471
Harpoon should've unlocked way earlier, these cunts are way easier to deal with it.

>>720100149
I didn't go into the fight using cheese (at least not intentionally). Just happened to land over there and apparently broke.

>>720100304
>That's like 2-3 maps next to the original location
I wouldn't know, anon. I just ran through and he spawned.

>>720100450
just jump bro

>>720100493
>mfw when i'm escaping the abyss
>then when i'm diving into it

hello, not-metroid enemies (yes I know it's inspired by it)

>>720100295
I (used) to be a lorefag and Hornet basically had 3 "mothers". Her bio mother (herrah), the person who actually raised her (the white queen) and the people who trained her (the bees), iirc Hornet took her name after the bees bc she fights a ton or something

how do you get the flea that's stuck behind a locked door to the right of pilgrim's rest in far fields?

>>720100261
indie shit is easier to make compared to real games

>>720100304
Because the caravan is in Greymoor.

>>720100429
Bellhart. You have to beat widow to lift the curse from the town and the needlesmith will upgrade your weapon for free.

>>720100430
I did. I guess I'll go revisit areas?
>>720100448
That door was locked when I went there. It was the first place I thought to look.

>>720100429
Just talking to the guy after un-silking Bellhart.

>>720100429
its available right after you beat widow, in bellhart

>>720100473
Not even that
>bosses with rng mob spawns
>less and more spread out upgrades
>rosary and shard as rewards for exploration or quests
>2 hit damage just widespread
>didn't fix basic issues like compass taking a slot or fast travel being annoying to use

>>720100552
Gotcha

>>720100608
the amount of depth and detail in this is 100x better than the last ubishit release.

I got the
>food pale oil
>archives pale oil
But the guy is still asking for more, is there another? I'm at the end(?) Of act 2 if that matters

>>720100660
You get one more through Fleas, act 3 needed.

>>720100261
For the same reason a handful of Anglo-saxon lads with barely any oversight can build the Spitfire in a shed and change the aviation world forever, while a diverse team of women / arabs / chinks / jeets / jews with ten layers of government and corporate and stock market bureaucratic oversight can take an already perfected formula such as the 737, and end up with the 737 Max, an objectively worse and more unreliable aircraft.

>sit on the bench in the first camp
>immediately hear stomps and screams
What the fuck? I already defeated you fucker.
>fireplace bro was killed
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

>>720099921
just be more aggressive

The slab kidnapper aren't spamming in Deep rocks nor Greymoor for me anymore
Where else can I find it?

>>720100085
Aces, I guess I'll practice for an hour learning the openings then.

>>720100147
Yeah that's what I'm working towards but I find few damage opportunities against the boss itself to fill my silk up.

>>720100143
Noted

>>720100167
I guess that makes sense given you can end up with vicious caranids and shit that's hard to nail like more beastflies.

I just wonder if I need more health, a specific tool, or even a different crest? None of what I have here seems insufficient?
>>720100395
>>720100456
Okay this is helpful. Thanks. No upgrades and you beat him? Crazy shit, I'm definitely progressed enough then.

so hornet's movement is clearly alucard (SOTN), and the charge attack is clearly megaman, any other games taken as inspiration?

So what upgraded / alternate-version tools are in here?
>Dark Trobbio upgrades the mirror
>three different version of the Silkshot
>can upgrade the boomerang at the target range
>can upgrade the mossberry tool by collecting them all
>???

>>720100395
Yeah, I didn't see him until the Blasted Steps bench after opening up the door and losing to Last Judge.

>>720100759
i think they might've taken a few ideas from hollow knight as well

>>720100473
When they actually build around the Hunter moveset (mostly in the 1v1 rival style boss fights) it feels great.

>>720100182
>>720100184
Thanks! Didn't know this boss existed at all, pretty cool

Just a little question about lore
Hornet like to call others "Bug". Does she not consider herself a bug? Or is that the way how inhabitants of that world refer to each other like we use "sir"/

>>720100639
>bosses dont drop rosary beads

I'm legit convinced this shit is a bug they just pretending is intentional design. It's actually insane how bad some of the choices the devs made are. All they had to fucking do was just do the same shit they had in HK and add a few extra shit like the sprinting. Instead they went full on "DIFFIRENT CHARACTER DIFFERENT GAME"pants on head retarded. No wonder this shit is only $20.

And fucking charms was way more fun than this dishing gadget temu batbelt bullshit.

>>720100848
From hollow knight: she is half spider, half pale/divine wyrm.

>>720100848
i think she's autistic

>>720100601
please respond

>>720099673
I destroyed the bridge by accidentally during a delivery. I hit the statue once as a test and immediately realized what breaking it would mean.

>>720100773
some tools change significantly when using the pollin charm, like plasmium injector making the hearts explode in a big poison cloud

>>720100840
nah i've played lots of stuff and I love that it's the alucard animation, I clapped. cause SOTN is *the* metroidvania.

>>720100848
Have you seen how others refer to her? It's like no one calls her hornet.

>>720100884
Right of the fast-travel bellway room

>>720100639
Git gud scrub.
It's part of the The experience.

>>720100848
She's a demigod what with her being the daughter of Pale King

>>720100773
>silkshot
fuck, I let the architect repair it. did I fuck up?

>>720100871
>kill boss
>doesnt drop beads
>doesnt drop shards
>doesnt drop powerup
>DOESNT EVEN HAVE FUCKING MUSIC
>just stand there like a retard in an empty silent room
did they just forget to implement this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXrXL3SYVzw

>>720100848
if you want to be technical about it, she's not a bug at all. she's half spider (not a bug) and half god (also not a bug)

>>720100871
I think TC just leaned really fucking hard into the environmental storytelling. No one in the lower levels has any rosaries because the citadel are basically theives so you get like none there, but the second you touch the citadel you start to swim in rosaries. Also beasts don't carry any rosaries since they don't have any reason to.

Fun for atmosphere but damn is it a pain for actually playing.

How do you get to the upper part of the Sands of Karak?

holy shit why did I even try sands of karak before without the double jump? in fact, double jump changes basically everything now. but I like how it's mostly optional, but if you get it makes traversal way simpler/faster.

>>720100972
Spiders are bugs. They are not insects, that's what you're thinking of.

>>720099854
You didn't miss much, the conversation is just
>Hi little bug you made it to this relatively safe town maybe you should stay here?
>Nope, I'm going to the Citadel!

>>720100871
>It's actually insane how bad some of the choices the devs made are.
I 100% agree and I just genuinely believe some people forget how polished HK feels.
>All they had to fucking do was just do the same shit they had in HK and add a few extra shit like the sprinting.
Literally all I wanted and they still fucked it up cause: >Instead they went full on "DIFFIRENT CHARACTER DIFFERENT GAME"pants on head retarded.
Not to mention that the crest and tool stuff is so fucking boring compared to what HK allowed you to do with the charms and spells.

Moorwing is shit because his dive doesn't have an audio tell. If he's off-screen at any point he's liable to suddenly come swooping in at you without warning.
He also just sorta flies wherever he wants, with no consistent height. It makes hitting him way more of a pain than it should be, common problem with everything that flies in this game really, and it can make his projectiles behave really weird, which is bullshit when they do 2 damage.
This is yet another boss that'd be way, way better without 2 damage on everything. His melee flurry, sure, maybe the dive, but the projectiles? No way.

>>720100258
that's a penis

Phantom and Widow so far are by far the best bosses because they actually follow the basic ass "one hit one life" concept outside of their own big telegraphed attack.
Every other boss is bullshit one way or another.

>>720100998
>holy shit why did I even try sands of karak before without the double jump?
probably because you prefer beating games instead of not beating games

>>720101012
"bug" has a very specific definition actually and most things people consider bugs don't fall into that category, it's not just arachnids.

>>720100931
thanks

>>720100871
filtered
>>720101046
hasn't played either game

>>720101034
Yeah, but I want to experience it.
Otherwise my OCD brain will feels bad.

>>720100996
In the part where it looks like you should be able to climb up, drop down. You'll have to do a timed platforming challenge.

Is there no way for me to fight Moorwing if I did the flea caravan sidequest first?

>>720099587 (OP)
>come back to Bellhart after killing the Clogwork Dancers
>find out there's an upper level with more shops
>i could have upgraded my weapon all along

>>720099817
i just poggo over their heads and keep going. There's no such thing as an enemy too tall to get poggo'ed, anon.

>>720101083
I 112% HK faggot, don't reply to me

>>720101109
He showed up for me after the caravan left. So collect more fleas I suppose. Not like Moorwing even drops anything really.

>>720100773
>can upgrade the boomerang at the target range
How?

>>720101071
>most fair bosses
>also are the most fun fights in act 1
>also have the best music in act 1
>also have the best rewards in act 1
why couldn't they just make all the bosses this quality

>>720101109
He moves elsewhere, not sure where exactly.

>>720100261
More like

How is it that 3 Whites alone can create something with more artistic merit than all the works of global south combined?

Should I play the first game before, or can I skip it?

>>720100773
You get the plasmium gland from the second alchemist quest which makes refills no longer necessary.

>>720100613
>>720100620
>>720100635
fuck my life
I've cleared out so much shit and completely forgot about going up in there

>>720100395
He shows up at the gate, at the bell beast before it's freed, Pilgrim's Rest, Blasted Steps, and the First Shrine. He might be in other places but I might've missed them

>>720099667
You can get kidnapped by some guys in blightwater who will take you to the slag

>>720100848
she is a filthy god mutt. of course she talks to others like that.

>>720101136
If you used range increasing charms you factually did not beat it.

>clawline gives you i-frames and lets you just jump through enemies
Ok, that's cool.

>>720099963
same energy

is it safe to say this is the best movement in a "metroidvania" ever? it's well animated, it's responsive, and fast/good.

regardless of individual boss difficulty, probably the best movement for this genre to date, imo.

>>720100982
I think you are right and that makes me even angrier because they definitely sat at a round table and discussed this and still thought it was a good idea. It's like they forgot they have to make the shit actually fun first.

HK I never once felt I wasn't progressing, but Silksong feels like such an aggravating slog for absolutely no reason.

>>720101173
play first cause it's just genuinely good and a better experience than silksong since silksong plays like a game meant for HK veterans versus a fresh player

oh no no no no

>>720101095
Ahh, thank you. Sometimes I hallucinate that I've been somewhere when the map is filled up.

Is there a mod that allow you to bind the "tool" buttom to something else? i'm tired of using the spell when i wanted to use a tool

>>720101071
They're the two easiest bosses in act 1. You like them because you're a scrub.

>>720101052
Yeah, that's why you don't let him go off screen. Don't worry though. Last Judge is an even worse dive.

>farming beads when your crawbell will get them
lole....

>>720100563
>>720100610
Ahh I didn't know the caravan could move there before fighting him

Fuck you /v/ you told me reaper's crest was bad. I wasted a memory core on default crest when I could've use it on the far superior one

>>720101116
they go from kneeling to standing quick maybe i got to practice like playtesters intended

>>720100261
if you want a real, genuine, non-shitpost reason: too many cooks. AAA games are made by committees, not people.

>>720101046
>Not to mention that the crest and tool stuff is so fucking boring compared to what HK allowed you to do with the charms and spells.
just beat the bell beast anon he is not that hard i know you could do this

>>720101280
Who the hell said it was bad? I've been using it the whole game.

>>720101153
Act 3, there's now three targets and an ant that hides the second you enter the room
Hit all the targets with one 'rang and he pops out and wants your boomerang
Give him it, leave and come back and there's a better boomerang on the floor

>>720101052
It's really just the projectiles. The claw attack and dive are pretty easy to dodge. But in phase 2 he starts spamming out the projectiles which, like you say, are influenced by how irregular his flight is. It's very easy to get clipped by them so taking two masks for it feels bad.

>>720099921
Literally just learn his pattern and kill the enemy spawns. You don't need anything fancy for it. The beastfly's pattern itself is simple enough that the only concern is gitting gud at dodging

https://youtu.be/idFr1lK0Vp4

You guys ARE obsessively needolinning every remotely suspicious looking spot, aren't you?

>>720100759
this game copies bloodborne so much im surprised i dont see anyone calling them out, the plot, the environments setting are all the same

>>720101249
are you really that stupid that you didn't check the options menu to see if you could rebind there before asking on /v/

So what is /v/erdict? Is the game bigger than HK?

>>720101283
even if you suffer damage it's no big deal, you'll probably have full silk from the spa water, so you can just heal before entering the boss arena.

>>720101229
No because diagnol pogo as the default is awful.

>>720099587 (OP)
Last Judge a nigger.
>oooooo lemme just have phase 2 introduce an attack with an incredibly similar startup frame
>if it's one and you jump it you're gonna get konked in the fukken head
>if it's the other and you don't jump you're likely not gonna have enough time to dodge

>>720101331
Sorry, meant four targets, not three.
My bad. Pic related is the upgrade.

>40 hours in and still only have 1 silk heart
what the hell?

>>720101109
>>720101152
I got him to show up again while the fleas were still there. I think he spawned because of the quest to find the courier's brother. He was in an area between the flea caravan and the halfway house.

>>720101353
NTA, but there is no way to bind tool and silk skills to different buttons.

I wish this game had an enemy health bar so I could know if I need to come back later or not

>>720101353
spell and tool are in the same bind.
Spell and Tool: X / X+(up)

>>720101357
oh FUCK YEAH it is.
granted like 8 of these hours were idle/away from my PC but 30-35 hours for a first-time 100% run sounds about right. HK's 100% was doable first-time in 20 or less.

I JUST FUCKING LOST 800 SOULS IN FUCKING BILE WATER
FUCKING NIGGER POISON WATER
FUCK THIS SHIT GAME
FUCKING BULLSHIT

>>720100295
The devs said in an AMA on reddit way back that she was trained by the Bees in the hive in hallownest and that's where she got her name. It's lore that's not actually in the game though so it might be non-canon

>>720101305
Ok I beat it and got a few crest and upgrades and charms. When can I do fun things like stink DoT or flukenest spray? Cause throwing boomerangs and dash attacks aren't exactly that fun,

>>720101249
Dude, it's not that hard to hold up before you press tool.

>>720100065
>the silk speed item is basically mandatory
not really, this is how much time i had left without it after bumping into one enemy on the way up, no double jump either

>>720101361
true, but im spawning from the top bench.
you think the spa bench is a better way to get there?

Near endgame spoiler question:
Does anyone know how to access the Heart of the Woods boss? The icon is floating in a space above Shellwood and I can't figure it out. I already beat the ant songstress and the coral dude.

>>720101457
It's almost certainly canon now, one of the pin upgrades reveals a honeycomb pattern on the nail

THE EDGE OF THE WORLD

>>720101434
Dude it took me like 50, but granted I decided to not read up on the game for the first time ever so I spent a lot of hours hitting random walls to see how the fuck to get somewhere.

>>720101328
I've come across tons of anons in different threads saying its bad and that they prefer the default

>>720101457
It's referenced in this game, actually
Her needle was made by the bees and she talks about them, you learn this at damage upgrade 3

>>720101339
I just play it for Sherma.

>>720101339
Yes. Though I don't think many people are.

>get flash-fried by a steam vent: 1 hp
>get flash fried by a steam vent in citadel: 2 hp
>be impaled by spikes taller than hornet: 1 hp
>be impaled by spikes that are moving: 2 hp
>get your entire body melted by a fucking laser beam: 2 hp
>touch some dude laying on the ground, stunned: also 2 hp
I know it’s just gameplay and not something that’s supposed to make logical sense but it *really* annoys me, to the point of making the experience worse
2 dmg really should be used for boss/mobs attacks that are more “dangerous” than normal

>>720100167
Just let it crush its friends with its slamming attacks.
It's really easy.

>>720101489
definelty

>>720101349
Bait, but actually what it did make me think of was Blasphemous, I wonder if they played it.

>>720101109
He spooked me right outside the fast travel during act 2

>>720101357
Shit the first act alone is almost as big as the first game.

metroidvania with cute happy shota sidekick is my favorite genre

>Get Witch Crest
>oh seems like a neat moveset, wonder what the heal is like
>its complete and utter dog shit
god damnit

>>720101353
are you really that stupid that you didn't check the options menu to see if you could rebind there before commenting on /v/

>>720101584
probably because the game doesn't tell you what the fuck needolinning is when you get it.

>>720101515
nta but same here, I just explore randomly and perhaps wasted some hours and missed some stuff but I'm ok with it cause if I read anything further it might ruin my autism first run

>>720101457
>>720101507
Act 3 spoilers Vespa actually gets a conversation with Hornet in the Red Memory section and is basically one of her 3 moms along with Herrah and the White Lady

true ending spoilers 4 if you count Grandmother Silk after she dies saving Hornet and Lace

>>720101493
You actually access it from Underworks, where the Grand Lift fell. I have no idea why they thought a hint sending you to Shellwood was helpful

>>720101357
early game is a bitch in ways hollow knight never was, but past that it's way better. the midgame and onward bosses are great, the areas are gorgeous, the map is gigantic, and the movement feels a million times better than hollow knight. path of pain was an exercise in frustration for me because of hollow knight's clunky slow movement, but i actually enjoyed the harder platforming challenges in silksong because of how fast and fluid they are.

Do the items like Crustnut and other shit for the oil quest have a time limit? Or can you just grab them all except for the meats and you're good no matter how long you take with those?

>>720101652
sherma is definitely a lady

>>720101664
You'd think people would immediately realize it's the Dream Nail replacement, but people are retards

>>720101280
It's lower dps due to the slow attack speed but the range is really nice

How do I make progress in Sands of Karak?
Got the simple key bench but I don't know how to ascend the shaft next to it when I can't pogo off the red spikes.

>>720101682
it's just the meat

>>720101682
the meat delivery is the only time limited part. one and done.

>>720101249
Opposite problem for me, the tools keep going off sometimes even if I let my finger off of the stick entirely.

>>720101672
I wonder: is it the same magic/force of the dream nail? The white lady was clearly aware of what was going on when she gave the flower, and she's also the only one that's still alive.

>>720101698
Sorry bro...

>>720101238
>he's on lava platforms now
>that he can destroy
>he can destroy ALL OF THEM and now there's no floor
>over the LAVA
This is a fucking joke, right? Am I supposed to come back with the gravity suit?

>>720101332
>But in phase 2 he starts spamming out the projectiles which, like you say, are influenced by how irregular his flight is. It's very easy to get clipped by them so taking two masks for it feels bad.
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. They've got a huge-ass hitbox too.

>>720101261
Last Judge was easier, better designed, and more fun than Moorwing.

>>720101718
you need to go down to go up.

Now Hornet is stronger than Knight lorewise. How do Knightkeks cope with it?

>>720101706
The dream nail was to hit shit. How am I supposed to know to just randomly play music?

>>720101592
The ones that irritate me are contact damage and environmental damage. Contact damage should just never be 2 masks unless the fucker is on fire or something.
A lot of the environmental ones do make some kind of sense like being dragged into a piece of machinery or smashed by a big fucking rock. But it's just annoying to be going through white palace tier shit where fucking up three times means death and there's either no enemies nearby to eat or they're tough enough that they're probably going to hit you too.

Am I retarded or is the section of Sands of Karak with the room where you get the food item, is there anything else in there? Or just that?

>>720101652
>both games have people dropping like flies and making me worried sick over these kids
>in both games the kid turns out to be okay and actually comes out of the whole experience as a better person
it's a good trait. Nine Sols' Pagoda was the best "home base" I've ever seen in a metroidvania, all lads were great and the little trinkets that you'd get and show up in the background really made the place feel like home which makes it hurt worse when it gets raided near the end

>Garmond didn't help me with Moorwing
Did I miss something important?

>>720101652
>seeing him survive the events of the act 3 intro made me smile
this guy is a real trooper

>>720099817
I just wait for their flying attack and run under. Takes like 5 seconds max

>>720101608
yeah most definitely better since you can cut through the food court.
and you can jump pogo them safely. thanks anon
i haven't even attempted the boss yet hehe

>>720101468
Act 1 has some nice tools, like the trap, the bomb, or adrenaline that makes you attack faster.
There is also a charm that modifies all your red tools, making them inflict poison.
You can get them by exploring, shopping, or doing quests.

>>720101652
>I will protect it
>I want to see it grow up healthy
>I want to tell my friend and neighbors about it

>suddenly flying enemies that drains your silk started randomly spawning on the citadel
fuck these cunts seriously, fuck the devs too for making them possible to spawn in small platform while fighting 2 other tanky enemies.

sherma was built for hornet pussy

>>720101787
I could step on either of them.

>>720101786
Thank you.

>>720101675
Thanks so much anon. That is a really terrible hint. Kept smashing my head on the ceilings of Shellwood trying to get to it.

Could be fun if you could make your own style from different crests.
Like attack from Wanderer, pogo from hunter and etc.

>>720101850
jump pogo works. i tired the run under trick but the first guy will catch up to you as the second one comes up so i dont want to risk rng on that nonsense

>>720101698
He's a boy, male pronouns in his sidequest description

>>720101795
I'm sorry, I think you may be retarded.

>>720101937
>charge attack from architect
>literally any other pogo
gamebreaking.

>>720101836
Did you talked to him in that area above the bossroom?

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/720099230/#720101623
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/720099230/#720101809

>>720099587 (OP)
TROBBIO!

What the fuck am I supposed to do with the lifeblood things in the worm area?

What exactly counts as a expanding my nature?

I thought it would be getting a new crest but that was not it. Is it just abilities (needolin/dash/wallgrip/etc)?

>>720099587 (OP)
My doorill will peirce the Heavens!

>>720101981
Yes, he told me that he lost his companion but I didn't find it.

>>720102010
how do you get it, I have unlocked wormways and haven't found anything like that
Is it behind locked key room?

>>720101914
Thinking about it assuming she's roughly the size of a praying mantis, the fourth chorus being like the size of a squirrel, a human could definitely just step on her.

>>720101160
They also have the most tolerable runbacks. All of the bullshit bosses are massively worsened by also being terrible to get back to.

Thinking back to how much I struggled with Soul Master the first time and laughing.

>>720102041
He didn't lose it that way
His comrade(s) is/are fucking dead, there's nothing to find

>>720102016
It's silk hearts

>>720102016
it seems to be upgrading crests with the memory lockets

>>720102016
My best guess right now is applying memory lockets to crests. If you have spare lockets, you could apply them to crests you don't even use and see if that lets you progress

>>720100719
>>720101335
Thanks

>>720102016
silk heart

>>720099943
Citadel is the part of the game they intended to sell as DLC. Not-citadel is the filler garbage they tacked on when they decided to make it a full game.

>>720101787
>slightly touches an enemy just sitting on the floor, doing nothing, that has no spikes whatsoever on its body
>takes 2 dmg
Idk about lore wise but gameplay wise hornet is two steps away from tripping over a rock and dying

>>720102041
Hmm. Didn't happened to me. Maybe it's a random event thing and sometimes he loses his mount? Either that or some other nonsense triggered it

>>720101468
>flukenest spray
>fun
The only thing fun about it is how retarded the flukes were coded so they ended up destroying everything. Various weapons that actually require you to use skill are much more fun then just barfing out a bunch of flukes
The game has a poison DoT if you really want to play that way.

Hey anons. This game was worth the weight. Anyways how do you get to the ducts area?

What do you even get from clearing Sands of Karak? I've completely paused my progress on the story just doing this area.

>>720099943
widow alone invalidates this statement.
only the vomit boss has really sucked far in act 1

How the fuck am I supposed to find all of these

>>720102153
A singular tool and one ingredient for the nail upgrade

>>720101987
>thread still up
Gamers won

>>720101845
>manages to survive just GETTING to the Citadel
>makes it to Judge and lets be real if the Judge's supposed to be fair like the hunter entry says and let in non-sinners, dude's definitely getting in
>Act 2 makes him start to worry about the pilgrimage but he keeps it together for the most part
>fully expected him to die during Act 3's intro but no, he not only survives but when Songclave's elder is revealed to be a Schizo Snail, dude just mans the fuck up and starts leading the people there instead

Sherma was a goddamn delight and I didn't expect to be so happy every time I saw him. Best part is, that song you hear him sing at the start? Talk to him before you do the true ending. He'll sing it for you one last time while he prays for you with new lyrics celebrating you.

love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>720102053
Yes but it doesn’t do anything

>>720100089
To help a little bit, the run back is easy if you disarm the bench in hunters March.
https://youtube.com/shorts/mBmtp9WJYGM?si=HdPCAHF1ayN6kQAe

>>720102016
using (not collecting) memory lockets. some people said it was this and i personally tested it myself.
after getting a "come back later" message, i went to the bench, used my stock of 5 lockets, came back, and she gave me the last upgrade.

>>720102109
Dex vs End

>>720101652
I miss Shuanshuan. I should replay Nine Sols. I was never able to beat the extra phase of the final boss.

>>720102169
just progress through the game normally

>>720102179
Already got the ingredient, what's the tool?

>>720101987
Is this the CP spammer?

I reloaded my save and my silk upgrades are gone. What in the actual fuck?!

>>720102264
Bouncy drill. It's okay for bosses with big hitboxes. I didn't use it.

>explored almost the entirety of Act II
>still only have beginning crest, beast and wanderer
What the fuck.

>Underworks into Bilewater into Exhaust works into Sinners road
Dude calm the fuck down i dont even have maps for any of these

>>720101652
She's cute

>>720102281
which silk upgrades?

>>720102193
Too bad Pilby doesnt make it
Or rather it seems like he can but fuck if I know the right triggers, I spoke to him repeatedly and he never even told me his name.

>>720102074
>>720102115
Ok, I'm advanced pretty far since then so I just wander if I missed anything important/interesting because of this.

>Grand Mother Silk
HAGGGG SEXXXXXOOOOO!!!!!!

>>720102269
Maybe. Maybe not. The mods know

>>720102318
Sherma is a MAN with a PENIS

>>720102317
You literally get the Underworks map by going through it. Exhaust Organ and Bilewater share a map.

this guy slaps your gf's ass (for 2 damage) and you don't even have dash, wyd?

I have never played Hollow knight but i appreciate all of the vanta black ebony colored women with huge asses and breasts

>>720102402
start -> exit to menu

>buy game because of hype
>play it for 20 minutes
>refund

idgi, is this all just ironic shitposting? like are you guys just pretending to like the game and talk about it to play pretend retard?

>>720102424
Think that's blackened carapace, brother.

>>720102381
Ok but where on earth could it be

it no worky

>>720102339
You can also find him in Sinner's Road and Choral Chambers. If you're past them then most likely you missed some other mysterious condition, or your questline straight bugged.

>>720102402
walk into a nearby low-ceiling hallway and laugh as he becomes completely neutered

So... can you upgrade the needle again after getting the second oil? Are there any other needle upgrades? Some other anon was saying if you get all the fleas.

>>720102472
nvm the jump is just ass

>>720102326
The spool upgrades. Also the mask pieces I had are gone too. WHAT THE FUCK!? I still have the one extra mask I already collected though for some reason.

Game is too goddamn big and i feel like i keep missing stuff. Is there a map upgrade that lists all the stuff that you didnt get later on?

>>720102376
Does this mean the spam will stop?

>>720102453
they draw it like it's flesh in rule34, it might as well be a negress wearing a white mask

what do I do with whining baby blud

>have to go through Sinner's Road one more time
>Garmond and Zaza are there and killed one of the big guys

That was nice.

>>720102568
lolno
HK didn't have one either.

>>720102532
yeah the final pale oil is after you get every flea. you get a quest to go to fleatopia and they hold a carnival. if you get 1st place in all 3 games then you get pale oil as the big prize

>>720102620
how hard are the 3 games

>>720099587 (OP)
The fight where she turns up and dashes all over the screen, so you can't see what the fuck is going on, Is without a doubt the worst thing I've seen in this game and this is a game that already had many instances of bad design.

Is human a thing in HK lore? I want stuff like picrel in my videogames.

>>720102541
are you sure you didn't just die and need to go get your cocoon back?

>>720102568
It only feels big because you don’t realize all those areas are dead ends.

>>720102578
Maybe. Maybe not. The mods decide that

>>720102317
how do you get into exhaust?

>>720102512
Big needle energy right here, that's what I did

>>720102635
the juggle game isn't too bad. the pogo game is easy with reaper crest, I did it first try. the dodge game was quite hard for me, took a lot of attempts

>>720102336
I got 100% completion and I somehow managed to miss the funeral Pilby gets. No idea where you'd even start by saving them. Either not triggering the beast or maybe finding it out in the world and killing it before it can attack the village?

>>720102646
Obviously not based on the winds and sands. Now invertebrates might be.

>>720102402
he literally has 2 moves, move away when he raises weapon, go under him when he scrunches down for jump

>>720102710
I killed it ahead of time, its a second skull tyrant, I had actually gone back to play the needolin and keep talking to him to see if I could get his name when the attack happened. Best guess it requires some specific action before you kill widow

>>720102710
I did the skull tyrant quest and that nigger still attacked. Must be his brother or something.

if you are bad at platforming games, you wont be after doing sands of karak.

Never again, nigga.

>>720102647
Is it counting giving up and reloading from the menu as dying? Cause I'm doing the fucking Courier's Rasher and just reloaded since I got hit.

>>720102568
The only thing that'll get pointed out to you outright on the map is the fleas, very late in the game and you of course need to pay for it.

>>720102751
He has three.

This room was pure distilled cancer
No other part of the game has made me feel this way

>>720102818
Who sells it?

so apparently you can get a laser from this and its hidden in the zone where you get double jump, anyone know where that can get crafted?

>>720102843
cogwork tool and piton make this trivial

Why can't I gently wake up the fast-travel dog?

>Okay guys lets make Hollow Knight again but this time we'll take out all the soul and fun

What were they thinking!?

>>720099943
Wrong.

Widow and The Judge are already kino.
Fourth Choir is a nice little setpiece boss.
And Sister Splinter is fun too.

>>720102861
forge daughter in deep docks

>>720102801
So, whats the best route?

>>720102886
git gud

>>720102867
I had none, cheers
two part cogheart so far

>>720102798
>the game gets more difficult
How

>>720102886
Actually they readded the soul as silk, you would know this if you played the game.

So where does the game actually tell you what to do in the mists

>>720102004
Ooooooh.... TROBBIOOO!

>>720102921
NTA but I took this route and got it on my third try, not too bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8pYSM9RayM

Played some tonight.
>cursed bellhart
Eerie, liked the cutscene and the guy hiding.
>shellwood
Fun area, came here before from worm tunnels but didn’t do much. Still have to get Purple Hearts
>sister splinter
Fun fight, wasn’t hard because I beat beast fly. Liked the sound of hitting her. 1st try
>Widow
Pretty challenging, but fun. First and second phase I could do hitless but I had to really try for phase 3 which was very aggressive. Won when I got consistent at parrying the bells from the diagonal. 7 tries.

>>720102861
do you remember where is that room?
i think i have missed it

is there another purpose to breaking the silk in the silk raping machine room or was that just to disable them

>>720102927
>two part cogheart so far
that's not it, you can have a flying drone tool for the cost of 1 craftmetal

>>720102927
Where did you find the second piece? I got the first piece and have found none since.

>>720099587 (OP)
>her master was fat and old and still btfo biletown and found a nice place to die
pretty based

The final area of the Mister Mushroom quest.

TEAM CHERRY KEEP TOPPING THEMSELVES WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
WHY DID THEY HOLD THEMSELVES BACK IN ACT 1

>>720102798
Haha just wait until you try doing the mr mushroom quest

Why didn't you faggots tell me that I was supposed to play music for the butterflys in the mist?

>>720102751
he has an RNG move where he will randomly decide to jump and smash you. if you're too close to him when he does this you will not be able to run under him (this is before you even have the dash).
he's really badly designed.

>>720102782
I got it randomly during act 2, no idea what the trigger is. Also, where the hell is the other Skull Tyrant again? I wanna do the 100% in <30 hours achievement next and also save as many NPCs as I can.

(Act 3 spoilers) I'm still fucking mad Garmond died. Pretty sure that always happens as part of a quest too.
>I'm sure he's fine, he just needs to rest
>he drops the Hero's Memento
>FUCK

>>720102948
It's in the title. Silksong.

HOW DO I RELOAD THE CANNON
HOLDING THE KEY DOES NOTHING

>>720103008
Fuck I beat the game and was disappointed that its over now I wanna play again but I have work tomorrow
NOOOOOOOOOOO

legit believe this is the GOTY contender that will lose out because of the difficulty

>>720103024
It's not RNG you retard. It literally has two different tells.

If he does the animation for the jump then just walk under him.
If he does the animations for the swing in front then just jump away and above the attach.

>>720102646
>Is human a thing in HK lore?

My guess is originally they conceived of the world as post-human-extinction but dropped that idea (or at least decided not to explore it further lest it cheapen the lore). This is why there are some "Borrowers" aspects like weapons being pins/nails/needles, but not much else beyond that.

Act 1 of silksong is really bad compared to the latter acts. Not only is the difficulty tuned too high for people new at the game, there's really nothing there until you start climbing up and getting access to all the upgrades, interesting new characters, story and boss fights.

>>720101385
a lot of bosses suffer form this.
this game does not have good animation.

>>720102010
Nevermind it’s for a fetch quest

>>720103039
It was so sad watching his steed curl up to him as he sits down and says he just needs to rest for a little and dies. I'm glad they didn't kill sherma but I knew they were going to kill one of the based characters

>>720103072
it's shadow of the erdtree all over again

I don't understand you Reaper glazers. The moveset is terrible and the pogo is just complete ass.

How tough is Groal? I am having enough of a problem with the garbage gauntlet right before him and I don't want a 5 minute fight after that bullshit like with the Unravelled. The runback with randomized enemy positions doesn't make this any more fun

She doesn't look like that

>>720103072
This game is still easier than E33, so no. E33 straight up has you dodging things you can barely see and in quick succession.

>>720099943
First Sinner is kino as well

>>720103072
That and the fact that they "insulted" other devs by pricing it so low.

>>720102970
picrel
>>720102916
isn't that the one that shoots 1 big wad of silk, architect makes it into a volley of smaller 3

>>720103072
nah devs deserve bankruptcy for making bilewater

>>720102851
Big warrior flea gal, I forget where you find her but she joins the caravan after you meet her and once they move to Fleatopia you can have her sell you locations.

BRUH what I do with this whining baby bruh

>>720103072
It really is. Act 2 was already a step up but Act 3 is so fucking unreal that I'm surprised they hid so much from the player.

I am not kidding when I say that for many years to come Act 3 will the "Inverted Castle" for so many people and zoomies.

>you can dash directly down in midair
I have almost 40 hours logged and I just learned this.

my favorite part of the game are the absolutely asinine sidequests, like collect 25 bird pelts
fuck you this is fucking trash who wanted this shit in a hollow knight game

>>720102921
Do as you like, shit's actually pretty generous if you don't get hit.

>>720099587 (OP)
EEEEEYAIIYAIIYAII
OOOOOOSHKANOOOOOOO

>>720101385
Yeah, I basically never get hit by the flail once I realized you just need to watch for it. The charge up one you get more of a margin of error. I've seen people can outrun it if you can't jump.

>>720103024
jump is not random he squats downwards, watch his tells

>>720102683
>my pic still getting posted
feelsgoodman
Which silksong character should I redraw it with?

I'm gonna play the superior Metroidvania

>>720099638
Ywnbaw

>>720103183
Yeah, why didn't the skill mention it? You can't even do this in HK without the charm.

Boss tier list:

1. Karmelita
2. First Sinner
3. Lace(s)
4. Clockwork Dancers
5. Mother Silk

This area is SO FUCKING HARD holy shit.

>>720099664
It means "I'm going to fuck you"

>>720103039
Its in the marrow, you need wall jump I think to fight it first if I remember right

>>720103089
>animation
those things animate at 2 fps. you can't call them animations.
not only are they not smooth or intuitive. they are completely instinct form each other.
and as I already said if he decides to do it too close, you can't walk under him. you will take contact damage and then still take the hit. resulting in 3 damage.

>>720103178
>I am not kidding when I say that for many years to come Act 3 will the "Inverted Castle" for so many people and zoomies.

you retards keep saying this and i refuse to believe any of you fucks
act 3 must be complete meme because the way you hype it up its as if silksong is suddenly a goty contender

>>720100773
There's a mirror upgrade for the Trobio rematch quest

>>720103126
It’s just shitters who can’t into diagonal pogos. The reaper pogo is admittedly easier for platforming but it feels like ass in combat.

>>720103295
It's that good actually.

why did no one tell me you miss moorwing if you do flea stuff? i was confused why i didn't encounter this great filter for newfags yet

>>720103167
I would advise doing nothing with it at the moment.
Only when you're ready find the tree NPC in the Shellwood who gave you the Pollip quest. You will get cursed and need to find another NPC to help. But before that there's an ending you can only get by beating the lsat boss while cursed. Not easy though. I would advise putting all this shit off until you're ready.

>>720103140
we both know that isnt true. one of the biggest criticisms levied against E33 was how it became trivial after the early/midgame to the great detriment of the game

what do I do for the broodfeast hunt where I have to kill enemies with tools? I didn't read the dialogue and i don't want to waste my shit

>>720103126
The pogo is kind of shit, but it's good for positioning against annoying enemies like the steam shell guy and flying enemies. I just like the massive amounts of silk to threadstorm.

>>720103140
What kinda drugs do you have to be on to post this?

>>720103228
Sherma is the obvious choice

>>720103278
Super Meat Bug. It's not that bad, use the parachute liberally, it stops the you in place if you don't hold directions

>>720103295
A lot of the map changes but it's nowhere near inverted castle level in my opinion
Still, it does change enough to make doing a full revisit to everywhere worthwhile

>>720103295
Act 3 is the kind of thing that not even the BIGGEST hollow knight hater can realistically hate with a straight face
It induces soiface on everyone

How many fleas do you need to move the caravan to blasted steps? I have 12 + the pervert and my guy is saying this. Has anyone ever moved the caravan before fighting last judge?

>>720102987
somewhere in the whispering vaults or its connection to the underworks, place was a dump so it might be a semi-hidden room

>>720099587 (OP)
>Just beat the Judge
Am I a gamer yet? I generally suck ass at video games.

>>720103327
We told you. Anyway he just moves, you'll still get to fight him.

>>720103330
I'm trying to get to act 3 and I don't know what to do really. I did the fleas and all the city quest boards, map is cleared from what I see.

>>720103335
That's not even remotely close to true. The game only gets more difficult as time goes on. The post-game bosses are much worse. In fact, you barely dodge in early/midgame because you'll likely kill the enemy before then. Mind you, midgame is after Verso.

>>720103263
You can also use the dash while all clinging to scoot straight up without jumping. Forget if HK had that too.

>>720103265
I can get behind this

>>720103403

desu I think in terms of actual content, act 3 is way better than inverted castle
but nothing can really truly impact THE SAME MAP BUT INVERTED in terms of sheer absurdity
the fact that act 3 comes close to the impact it has is a testament to how well team cherry actually executed it without needing to do a pokemon gold/silver

>>720103426
Last Judge is the first filter. Lace #2 is the second filter.

get tooled bitch

>30 hours into act 2 and I still haven’t found whatever item marks fleas on the map
please for the love of god someone help

>Clawline trivializes every flying enemy going forward

GO GET IT IN UNDERWORKS BROS
LITERALLY THE BEST SILK ABILITY IN THE GAME

Did people actually like inverted castle in SOTN? I always thought it was just lazy padding to fit more bosses in.

>>720103440
If you wanna get the extra bad ending you should do it before triggering Act 3. That said I'm not sure what exactly the trigger is. Moving the fleas was the last thing I did and that unlocked it.

>>720102861
found it
https://files.catbox.moe/quo6jf.mp4

true final boss spoilers

am i the only one that just kind of doesn't care about lace? the actual setup and presentation of the finale is incredible but i don't feel much of the presence or weight of the rogue silk+void forces directly on her. our knight friend isn't explicitly evil so it wouldn't make sense if we fought him, and the theme of the game is about saving instead of destroying (like destroying the radiance), so i get it, but i dunno. feels like lace could've used more

>>720103561
Where in underworks? I've been there but I never found that.

>>720103440
Get all three silk hearts, do all quest board quests (yes, this includes the bridge), flea troupe moved to final destination past Putrified Ducts
You *may* have to fight the First Sinner
Then a quest should appear on the board at Bellhome, do all this and you'll have an alternative option when fighting Grandmother Silk
Load your save

>>720103508
>without needing to do a pokémon gold/silver
This was my half-serious theory for years. I thought that they may be taking so long with it because they decided to put a huge Hollownest map in or something. Glad they went the direction they did though.

>>720103561
Getting it is a pain in the ass, but yeah. I didn't even know you could respawn at those binding areas.

Can you activate the Whiteward elevator without riding it?
It looks like something could be under it but I can't get it to go up from the outside.

>>720103278
did you complete the mountain yet? i tried to do it before doing so and it was worse than white palace. after, it became super easy

>do the quest for sherma
>after i beat the guys and use needolin he sings slowly and is scared
cool detail desu

>>720102683
bug bug give me a hug

How do you get to the delver drill in Underworks?

>>720103459
we did not play the same game. you have to go out of your way and avoid side content to not ruin the endgame for yourself because even the highest level content dies before it even has a turn a lot of the time

>>720103523
It's not an item, it's a person. Find this gorgeous lady and she'll join the caravan and mark your map, but she charges PER AREA.

>>720103616
There's another part to Underworks that you get to from the Choral Chambers.

>bildge fight runback
please tell me there's something closer than the square room with the hanging wrapped corpses

>>720103513
Are people struggling that much with Lace 2? I died a few times but once you figure out her tells you can counterplay everything she does pretty easily. I fought Phantom way later than Lave 2 and found that fight harder.

holy shit this guy was annoying

but, this is one of the hard but fair ones, not hard but bullshit (looking at you, citadel gauntlet 2 big guys)

>>720103614
Half and half. I do agree that maybe Lace needed just tad bit more but hey, I cared about Hornet back in Hollow Knight and she had just as much if not less lines/appearances than Lace back then.

I think I was more affected by the actual ending of the game and how Pale King completely failed everything while Mother Silk still saved her child at the last minute.

>>720101229
I cant enjoy really enjoy the environment because enemies are too opressive. I just got needle dash and plan to get attack upgrades and I bet it get better, but right now Im shmoving the the level and enemies feels like small walls if I decide to fight them

I beast widow’s 3rd phase by just spamming my tools. Apparently you can get poison stuff?

>>720103602
>https://files.catbox.moe/quo6jf.mp4
fuck and I got some shitty ass burst fire gun

>>720103725
Is this in Far Fields?

Where the fuck even am I, I just wanted some oil.

>>720103652
I don't even know what Mountain is.

this game is really fucking with my sleep. i just woke up from a 22 hour nap

>>720103126
>long range
>great pogo for combat you fucking retard the range is huge just get used to the windup, literal skill issue
>safe playstyle means you always have lots of silk to spend on spells to patch up the low attack speed
>refunds a lot of silk when you do actually need to heal so you can keep spamming spells

how to get there?

>>720103140
What challenge runs are you doing?

Nothing in E33 is as hard as some of the shit Silksong throws at you. This feels like the modern day equivalent of an autistic NES game.

>>720103732
Lace should take extra damage when you knock her off the platform. We do and it's only fair.

>>720102861
Keep the item and upgrade it to a way better version later in a harder location? Reminds me of Cave Story star gun

>>720103780
>Where the fuck even am I
I love how Silksong PERFECTLY recaptured the exact same "what the fuck, I took one turn, where am I?" feel HK had all those years ago.

I don't know what I expected, but only getting the Conchcutter for beating the Karak boss was a bit of a let down. Is it even any good? It's annoying to fight against, but whether it's any good to use is another thing.

>>720103778
Nah. Stinky Ass Ducts.

At the start I switched to wasd and jkl for attacks and skills. Only downside is by the end my pinky hurts from pressing shift to sprint and dodge

>>720103689
If you managed to reach the top of the shaft to the left, then dropping the crate for the shortcut broke the floor blocking the path

>>720101252
Sure anon, I believe you.
>>720101160
Widow made me so happy fighting her I hard shutdown my PC because I couldn't remember what altf4 was on Linux and I wanted to fight her again right after.
I really wish TC added a boss refight like Ender games.

>>720103870
nigga, are you saying there's a 4th version of that gun? >>720103602

>>720103327
if anyone considers moorwing a filter they will never leave act 1

>>720103582
>>720103627
It actually gave me that quest after triggering this but now I'm currently cursed.

my Hornet is used good...

Why are there so many dead end in this game?
The path bring you all the way to a dead end, and there's nothing at all.

>>720103892
God dammit, I need to go back there? I thought I explored it thoroughly…

>>720103871
*once you get to act 2
**because that's the content they actually designed all those years ago and the rest of the content is garbage they shat out between week-long vacations over five years

>>720101280
Hunter Crest is technically the best if you achieve Buddha mastery of the combat but yeah Reaper and maybe Architect are the best normal play crests (Tools are fucking ridiculous and can end aids 2nd/3rd phases in an instant if you spam 3 of the things)

>>720103895
Put sprint/dodge on k. I have l for clawline and h for skill/item. Bind is on e.

if you wanna get very far, you can clawline -> float, repeat

it uses silk but can clear a huge gap with it.

You can decorate your bell!?!?

>>720103895
I use space - jump k - dodge j - attack

>>720103918
Laser seems final tier, would be cool if there is something else in act 3 to repair it with

>>720103950
Those prior mates?
All me.

What are niggas doin????

>>720103961
You can get to hunter’s march, sinner’s road, the mists, and wormways in act 1, and that’s just off the top of my head. All optional areas. You’re full of shit.

>diving bell is a literal bell
I mean of course but also, lol.

>>720103980
You Clawline is a free extra dash its insane

>>720103952
I noticed this too, rarely if you play the needolin something (unimportant) will happen
maybe le heccing act 3 will add something to all those dead ends

>>720104042
It's been 4 days. Pony up since we have 1600 more to go before the next team cherry game.

>>720104042
I haven't gone back to finish quests because I'm trying to climb the citadel.

>>720103802
You have to do the Cog Core

>>720103802
Remember the elevator that needed a key? Go get the key.

SSSHHHHH....! She's sleeping...

i love my boss battles being complete rng the whole way.

>>720104150
Look at this poor-ass bitch with her barren-ass bell
lmao

What is the most sovlful thing you've seen in Silksong so far? Could be as big as a boss or area or as small as a unique interaction no one has mentioned so far.

>>720104150
bet she is a night reader

>>720104210
What the fuck. Can you decorate or something?

>>720103756
yeah, i just feel like thk/radiance felt like more of a dramatically fitting final force and symbols to end the story of the original with, i don't get that feeling from lace here, at least not with the void part of the story. i think the idea of mother silk's rogue daughter being the true antagonistic force is great, the more i'm thinking about it now -- my only real issue with lace is that we didn't see enough of her succumbing to the appealing powers that being infused with the void gives you. if we had more of that and a tad more insight into her nihilistic mentality, she'd be a perfect boss. it also would've been cool to see our knight in actual gameplay rather than just a cutscene, as well as seeing the actual hollow knight himself at all, but eh, can't have it all. maybe in future dlc?

>22% of players beat judge
>only 5% of players beat phantom
damn, like 75% of players are missing out on the best fight in act 1
and even more are missing out on actually fighting her at the intended time instead of stomping her with act 2 gear and abilities because that counts people who went back for her later

>>720104150
>sleeping with her clothes and mask on
daym bitch you live like that?

>>720104238
visit the bell shop

10 TRILLION DEAD BUGNIGGERS

>>720104238
Once you get your bell the shopkeep sells you furniture.
There's also a couple items out in the world that can only be assembled in your house.

>>720104230
>hitting the lever on the elevator
If you know, you know.

Choral Chambers is actually really easy in comparison to the shit you start to run into

>>720104258
I don't even know where you go to find her. Some place near Deep Dock or something? I have no clue.

>second sentinel
wtf im dying to this more than first sinner

... that's just unnecessary

>>720104254
The void entirely hinges on memberberries and how the very last content of Hollow Knight had an ending where the void takes over Hallownest and I think this is just Team Cherry paying people back with that idea. I do agree that the way the game escalated into a God v God story but then turned into something pretty personal for the Pale King was great.

>>720104254

She's not an antagonist at all, actually. Lace was "rogue" in the sense that she disliked mother silk and thought she was a hated child, even though the truth was the opposite. In the end the entire reason mother silk fought against the void with the last remnants of her powers, causing the near-destruction of pharloom even though it was hopeless to struggle, was because she wanted to save lace. And she did. It's a different type of story but still great in its own right.

>>720104258
>had to go through hidden area and one of the shittiest area in the game.
They're literally asking people to shit on the game.

>pretty much all the visuals in this game were done by a single guy
jesus fucking christ

>>720104258
Shes easier to find in act 2, plus the solution to the mist area is one of those things you either find by mashing or googling

I didn't beat the game...
How many bugs did you meet so far?

>>720104370
It's called soul.

>act 3

HOW THE FUCK WAS THIS GAME MADE BY JUST THREE AUSSIES HOLY SHIT

Side stuff turned out to be a huge skip.

Game really turned into a slog mid-Citadel. The constant incessant backtracking was something else, especially all the sidequests like shredding 4 dozen bugs for that one bitch. This game did not need to be 30+ hours

>>720104230
cogwork dancers. that fight is sovl incarnate.

>>720104230
>bench in the one of the worst area is stuck so you can't rest
The despair I felt was immeasurable and it was equally cathartic when I fixed it.

>>720104564
>one of the worst areas
hahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha fuck

>>720104468
more of an oversight but i got stuck under the elevator at whiteward

>>720104230
I love the actor boss pretending to be dead and looking if you are there when you run into his view

>>720104053
None of those are "taking a wrong turn" and you don't end up lost off the beaten path. Three of the ones you mentioned are far out of the way and take a lot of concerted effort to get to. Most of them are straight lines with nowhere you could possibly get lost. None of them are particularly large areas and only one of them connects to anywhere else meaningful. Not to mention how much stuff is hidden behind destroyable walls or puzzles.

>cool boss in a cool arena with a cool moveset and small runback
>win on attempt 2
>the shittiest boss ever created, fought inside a prolapsed anus and with farts as background track, nearest bench is 2 zones away
>~20 tries necessary
why does this happen so often

>>720104468
I had this happen. I forget exactly what I did.

I seem to have missed the boomerang tool from hunter's march. Anyone know if it's somewhere else now or is it permanently lost?

>>720104653
Are you talking about secind body?
This happened with me too when scissors guy killed me

>>720104342
She's the boss for The Mist

>>720104653
I'm gonna guess you were jumping because the way to beat those suckers is to jump over them and hit them from behind.

Was it smart for Team Cherry to backload so much of their kino in the second half of the game?

This is like the opposite of the Elden Ring problem where things become utterly silly the moment you get past Leyndell.

>>720104496
this is the power of 3 nerds with infinite budget making a game without a publisher looming over their shoulder
don't get used to it because it probably won't happen again any time soon

This was absolutely tragic
https://youtu.be/s1PBPvXGpm8

>>720104736
Quite the opposite. You have to earn kino, it can't be handed to you on a platter.

>>720104230
Widow boss forcing you to adapt or die
Phantom boss finish CROSS COUNTER
Hornet boss fight from HK playing when she gets her shit back during the prison break

>finally got the crow summons when I turn on after going to sleep earlier
So I guess you could make spam quit to menu and load to maybe get it to trigger

>>720104713
Yeah. I can't imagine it was intended, so it must be some specific bug with him. Maybe cause it's a double hit with some delay or something?

>>720099667
>how the fuck do I enter the slag
women are not easy to woo for us vidya nerds, anon...

>>720104736
How do people not like the sidetrack after Leyndell? It was kino. You fight another dragon and meet some cool bird enemies plus get to see snow.

>>720104775
huh?
what is this?

God damn Shaman Crest is cool. Just shame about no tools, but I can live without.

>>720104736
less people are going to see it which is sad

>>720104813
I still don't know what the upgrade requirement is

>>720104831
>tfw no boss rush mode
I want to fight all the bosses with full silk builds. Godhome with all the funky builds you can do in this game would be so fucking fun.

>>720104230
This.

>>720104685
hey I actually found it.
the mask is near the body if you missed it
the boomerang is in the room above, the one where you fight the 2 strong ants for some beads

>>720104813
I still don't know what the upgrade functionality is

>>720104736
Honestly in terms of depth of the overall structure this game is everything I wanted and more. It is just a bit too punishing in places though. And I'd like it if more of the half-dozen hidden zones were hinted at just a bit more strongly.

>>720104736
Yeah, they've talked about being fine with people missing stuff back in HK days too. Possibility of not seeing content is what creates the sense of adventure. You need a contrast and risk to make something fulfilling, good and bad etc.

>>720104429
It's why it looks so good. One singular vision of the world. Nothing could ever be out of place.

>>720104736
What counts as second half? Do you mean Act 3?

I have a simple key and I don't know where to use it, I already opened the cage with the prince, wormways and docks.

>>720104885
That will most definitely be one of the updates the devs will release.

>>720104936
What if we had 100 3 developer games instead of 1 300 developer game? In 7 years we'll get insane amounts of kino.

>>720104872
I think its tied to improving your crests with memory lockets, as well as acquiring new crests. Get all the crests, unlock all their slots, and the hunter crest should be maxed

>>720104898
Hit enemies and don't take dmg for a while and you get a +1 nail buff.

>>720104736
these morons literally locked one of the ending behind ball crushing challenges in their 1st game

heheh

>>720104898
every attack fills a meter, more meter = more damage
getting hit resets the meter

>>720103780
>I don't even know what Mountain is.
skip cog core until you complete it, it's to the far west on the map. you need harpoon to beat that

>>720104829
Act 3 boss

>>720104653
No that's just the scissors being so sharp they cut your past and present self apart the moment you died.

>>720104962
>>720104872
it's your masks. the last upgrade is when you have every mask fragment in the game

>>720103614
it feels like there's a sidequest with phantom that's missing

>Silksong first releases
>/v/ starts loving it
>a day or two go by
>/v/ starts hating it
>Act 2 happens
>/v/'s opinion is split as Act 1 and Act 2 anons shout at each other
>Act 3 discovered
>/v/ loves it again and considers it an all timer

How did they do it?

Decorated. Also, how do I climb the cold mountain? My health starts going down while I'm there

bros... where did he go T_T
>>720104997
kek nice I didn't even notice that https://files.catbox.moe/znyzyt.png

>>720103982
house/town building mechanics in games you wouldn't expect them to be in always make me mark out

>>720105076
Go fast.

>>720104150
>he doesnt have a fully furnished bell yet
pleb

>>720105071
by being under 18yo

>use the nidolin
>in the flea camp

that's fucking cute

>>720105071
i think a ton of the playerbase will start loving it too because of act 3
its actually impossible to hate that sequence

>>720104468
I can't remember if I already posted this but here I was standing on an invisible platform. Only one I noticed after 30+ hours of playing.

>>720104831
seriously. the basic attack has sick range without being super slow like reaper, the charge attack is ridiculously big, and having three spell slots means you can run the parry, the iframe dodge, and a spammable offensive spell all at the same time. i prefer spells to tools anyway so the no tools thing isn't much of a downside for me, the real downside is no more air heal but even that is easily manageable.
it quickly became my favorite crest and it'll probably be the one i use for the game's inevitable godhome equivalent.

>>720103731
nope

>>720105076
As other Anon said, you just need to be fast. It's possible to clear it without taking any cold damage, and that's without any speedrun skips, just playing as intended.

>>720104959
Its why I like Indies. You get an earnestness out of them, even the shitty ones, because it's just a few mates trying to throw their idea they liked enough to make a game for, or one man's driven passion.

>>720102843
where is this?

DOES STARTING ACT 2 LOCK YOU OUT OF ANYTHING
i think i got to the citadel way too early

>>720105076
if you fuck up a jump, backtrack to the last warm spot and try again. it's annoying to do, but dying is more annoying.

>>720104230
mushroom and birb having an actual conversation

fuck those guys

>>720105191
It 's any consolation, the boss isn't too hard, and since it can not hit you in shitwater aside from when he goes does or comes up, there's no shame in sitting in there to evade attacks and taking potshots.

>>720105268
Nope, I believe only starting Act 3 is point of no return, and it is very hard to do that by accident.

Silkspeed Anklets are SO MUCH FUCKING FUN, holy shit.

Bros... I'm having a hard time going back to HK after this.

>>720102843
yeah fuck this shit I was here for like an hour
I failed it right at the end once and I actually almost threw my controller at my monitor
>>720105206
picrel, need the harpoon upgrade

>>720105268
no
as far as i'm aware the only things you can actually get locked out of in this game (besides dialogue, obviously) are the two bad endings if you go for the good one

>>720105294
just hit them and then jump attack
they're annoying but not hard
honestly they should die in three hits with how defensive they are

How???

>>720103851
She does, actually, but only when she's stunned and you whack her off the edge

>>720105336
i didn't do pantheon of hallownest and i'm pretty sure i'm never going to after playing silksong
even if i do go back to play the original again i just can't see myself doing godhome with that game's clunky-ass combat

>Sharpe and the Steel Assassins were scrapped

ITS FUCKING OVER

>>720105434
Go to the Bell Beast and there's a hidden walkway

what did she mean by this and why did she say it to the ugly bastard while fully nude

Two changes I'd like to see in the game...
First, make it so you can still get rosaries with magnet if they fall into spikes.
Two, make shards also magnetable somehow, maybe with different shard.

>>720105434
The flea? Right from the Far Fields bell beast station.

Crest of the Beast with Longclaw is busted.

>>720105327
combine it with flea brew and you're like fucking sonic

>>720105326
>>720105396
ty

Where do I get the thing that lets me hook onto those rings?

I hate this

>>720104886
I fucking hate how long the trek is to fight the forma de soul version of the dancers.

>>720104714
You will never be forgiven for shattering the mechanical priest, heretic.

>the room with the other discarded architects
sad
>>720105542
explore the underworks

>>720105543
Where did you find the vintage nectar? TELL ME, TELL ME NYOW

>>720105469
>>720105489
Many thanks. Pic is the last one remaining, how do I get there?

>>720105543
Brotip: You can clear the path of enemies before picking up the quest. Just don't sit on a bench.

>>720105472
TC are very aware of Hornets internet fame

>>720105396
>two bad endings
what's the other bad ending? I got one where the Citadel and Hornet is encased in silk.

>>720104042
Normalfags don't talk to NPCs

>>720105645
Cursed ending. Get cursed then fight the final boss with no items, skills, or heals.

>>720104230
this lil guy doing his best to cheer you on while you do a gauntlet
>>720104886
How do you find this? I already freed him and did the boss, did I miss it?

I don't understand what turning on the light in the Vault did other than spawn a bunch of enemies.

>>720105612
>explore the underworks
I can't go anywhere else

>>720105621
Nectar is booze

>>720105621
you buy it from the inn in graymoor

How do you reach the secret upper side of Mount Fay?

>>720105750
"buy" it
as in pay to clean up his ant problem in the basement

>>720103649
when its down come from above and press the button then quickly jump into the shaft
theres a half spool there

>>720105728
I'll go double check but I'm 99% sure you can

>only lost like 500 rosaries all game long
>having to farm them like crazy to buy everything
They should have really made bosses drop them.

>>720105728
anon is a dummy
you have to access a different portion of the underworks through that conspicuous unexplored path in choral chambers which you unlock with the key sitting on the ground in songclave

>>720105728
he was a bit misleading, go to the lower cogworks to the right, you will get a key, then go to the silver elevator. this will eventually lead to other part of underworks

>>720105858
>>720105892
You can also get there through beating Trobbio

>>720105750
>>720105738
Thank you

>>720105917
that cool and good to know

>>720103602
cool

Silksong lore only calls back to Hollow Knight and doesnt explain shit about the threads left behind. In fact, not even Hornet is elaborated upon much outside of what we already know

>>720105917
don't you need the grapple to go through cogworks to get to whispering vaults so you can actually go into the trobbio fight? or am i misremembering that

>>720105294
I don't even know how you kill these guys. I just throw traps and threadstorm.

>>720105858
>>720105892
I just remembered this elevator that I got the key for. This leads me to underworks, right?

>ant took my boomerang
Okay dude give it back now

New thread doko?

>>720103514
>>720103770
Every boss is trying to teach you a mechanic. Widow is trying to teach you about the running attack combos. Hunter crest starts a 3 hit combo with a running attack, Reaper starts with an uppercut and goes into plunge attack. The Widow fight was much faster when you spammed these combos.

>>720106014
yep, it's a linear progress

I've only been really using the Spike Trap tool and the Cogfly tool. Are there any tools that I might be underrating in terms of how good they are?

what is the best crest???

>i frames mod
>no contact damage mod
>1 damage mod
>all enemies drop beads mod
>always have compass effect mod

Yep. It's gaming time.

>>720105983
I legitimately don't understand the infatuation with the writing in these games, it's all vapid and shallow. I can probably count on one hand the amount of times a plot rock or npc said something useful or interesting. Nuu telling you the location of the lone soldier in Karak surprised the shit out of me due to how reasonable the directions were

Oh, so this is infamous THE BENCH. It's good that I had full HP.

>>720105983
Nah. We know a lot more about the purpose of masks, a TON more about herrah the beast and the weavers. There weren't really that many loose threads in hollow knight, the only big ones are how exactly the pale king died, what form of control exactly the knight has over the void now that he's the shade lord (and what that really means), and a number of side entities/organizations.

>Die in Bilewater while trying to find a bench
I don't know when I'll find another, but I'm using this Silkeater now.

>>720106092
I went with threefold pins, robugs, and swapped the spike for the electric bolos

>>720106107
Its not vapid, its just not focused on. Souls plots work pretty well with metroidvanias

>>720106101
The one you like the most, unless you like the beast, fuck the beast.

Is the only reward for doing that hellish platforming section at the end of the mushroom quest the Surface Memento?

>>720105645
>already cured the curse
well that sucks, and I thought the boss was pretty easy too, so I should be able to do it without too many retries.

>>720106196
Souls lore is at least interesting and tells you things worth thinking about. 90% of the plot rocks and billboards in this game are shit like "lo, 12 shells hence sundered, 5 boffins brought to bare, the pumperwumple laid in her bosom" and it's like yeah okay cool game

>>720106112
There's an even bigger asshole trap bench much later on and it's actually JUST a trap. No fixing it.

>>720106101
Architect, if you know, you know.

the cogwork core soundtrack is so good

>>720106274
You're just reading the easily found lore bits.

>>720106274
>"lo, 12 shells hence sundered, 5 boffins brought to bare, the pumperwumple laid in her bosom"
You just described Souls lore.

If you didn't buy the mask shard from the Bone Bottom vendors I wonder if its lost to the ether. Looking online I have all the mask shards that are just around, did all the quests, and somehow am missing a single shard.

What do I have to kill for the middle thingies?

>>720106092
>tacks
A better spike trap if a boss consistently walks over them, no wasted damage.
>curveclaw
the GOAT anti-air option until you unlock the cogfly
>pimpillo
lots of damage but hard to hit
>conchcutter
the strongest "normal" ranged tool for bosses
>Delver's drill
Hits as hard as your spells if you can get it to connect, viable.
>Flintslate
BUSTED with Wanderer's crest
>Flea Brew
pretty good with evolved Hunter's to build up stacks faster

>>720106375
Buy the saw tool from the Architect. You get multiple drops per kill so the number is deceptive.

>>720106101
shaman.

>>720106375
the same thing. Except you need to use sawblades, or beast crest

>can't just kill yourself to teleport after getting architect song
jesus, come on. nothing in this area even gives beads to care about bringing back

>>720106274
honestly i feel you
none of the stuff on the rocks and displays and papers and shit is worth a damn, all the good lore is buried and i think that's bad design because it discourages people from caring
>platform up onto a hanging hit with a sparkly inside
>read it
>it's a fucking work schedule
i would stop caring immediately if i didn't know better

>>720106375
>>720106421
>>720106460
Drill also works.