Thread 720114228

What killed the hype?
Literally the first Miyazaki game that people don't care about...

>>720114228 (OP)
They don't actually get what made Demon's Souls and Dark Souls so good, and I've sorta been losing interest in their games since DS2.
It wasn't until Elden Ring when I finally accepted that I'm bored to tears by Fromsoft games at this point.

>>720114228 (OP)
Both switch owning soulsfags must have been really excited when this was announced

>>720114228 (OP)
>switch 2
that's what did it

>>720114413
thats not even a thing.
fromsoft barely released anything for the toddler toy lmao
I think it was JUST the dark souls remaster.

>>720114381
Even worse, they get what made des and das good but choose not to replicate it and make soulless slop instead. Sekiro and BB are good side projects but they will never truly make a new souls game because it takes too much effort

>>720114228 (OP)
>pvp centric slop
This is the reason.

>>720114228 (OP)
It looklike shit bros

>>720114492
that's the joke

Suddenly I am excited about this.
Weird.

>>720114492
That's why he said both, to underline that there aren't many of them. A.k.a. "thats not even a thing".

>>720114529
Their retarded obsession with the games getting """harder""" doesn't help either.
Their games went from "it respects your intelligence! You can't just button mash!" to "the game is intentionally fucking annoying to play and enemies are designed to be obnoxious and tedious on purpose"

They care more about making sure the player dies than they do about the player actually having fun exploring and wanting to see whats after the next boss.

I couldn't actually finish Elden Ring and gave up I'm assuming something like 75% of the way through the base game because the bosses weren't fun to fight anymore, exploring just resulted in more bosses at the end of a linear dungeon, and my reward is a teleporter back to the overworld and some random weapon that I'll never use.

Elden Ring feels like some kinda fan project based on Dark Souls

>>720114492
>>720114560
Honestly, not that I care much about this particular game, but Dark Souls on a handheld would have been pretty comfy.

I don't think anyone would have been upset if they ported the original Dark Souls to the Wii U or something.
Games like this would just pair well with a hybrid handheld system like that.

>>720114228 (OP)
>FS fans ask for a Bloodborne sequel or at least a multiplat remaster for years
>make a spinoff that's a multiplayer-only Switch 2 exclusive instead
what a joke, if this doesn't flop hard it'll mean that From has become too big to fail and that the quality of their games will only get worse

>>720114228 (OP)
it’s stuck on a console for kids

>>720114381
>They don't actually get what made Demon's Souls and Dark Souls so good
Games were very different on their base level, if you liked das you should have loved ER, fuck they even added horse so you could run past enemies easier(core das design, level walkthrough shouldn't be important and needed to be skippable)
If anything das2 was closer to des

>>720114674
Definitely agree
I slogged on through elden ring which had a strong opening but quickly turns to shit

>>720114772
>if you liked das you should have loved ER
Elden Ring has almost nothing that I liked about Dark Souls though

>>720114674
>and enemies are designed to be obnoxious and tedious on purpose
So necromancers in crypt and 4-2?
Bell bitches in bloodborne?
Sounds like usual Miyazaki shit

>>720114228 (OP)
>PVP
>switch 2 exclusive
Also Nightreign was ass, beat every boss once and got bored of the gameplay loop with the stupid fortnite fog

>>720114887
A handful of token annoying enemies is fine, but every enemy and boss in Elden Ring feels like it was designed to be as annoying as possible.

There's a huge difference between "clever traps that make you feel like a dummy for not being more careful" and "annoying bullshit that fucks with you on purpose and is still obnoxious as fuck even if you're being extremely careful"

>>720114381
They'll be very saddened at the lost sales, 30 million minus yours is only 29999999 left...

>>720114674
>"the game is intentionally fucking annoying to play and enemies are designed to be obnoxious and tedious on purpose"
The ((majority)) said that about Demon's Souls on release. I really wonder what made the masses change their stance so drastically with Dark Souls 1.
Truly a masterpiece.

>>720114987
I'm not a shareholder, I don't really give a fuck about sales.
I'm not gonna be upset if the game does well, I simply don't wanna play it because it doesn't really seem like its doing anything terribly novel

>>720114674
>Their retarded obsession with the games getting """harder""" doesn't help either.
We have "das fans" who are too young to remember das promotion materials, just think about it...
PC release was a mistake...

>>720114984
>every enemy and boss
That's a stretch, they're mostly the usual asset flip from DaS1/2/3 and Bloodborne.
Some infamous bosses fit that description and now you pretend it's the whole game.
You're allowed to dislike Elden Ring without being disingenuous. I didn't like it much either.

>>720115049
/v/ became a steamcharts board for some reason

i have 0 interest in the party focused Nightreign. First fromslop game where i just knew it was not for me. I like to play slow, afk a lot to rip bong. Take in the lore and story at my own pace.

>>720114984
>There's a huge difference between "clever traps that make you feel like a dummy for not being more careful" and "annoying bullshit that fucks with you on purpose
During das release, majority of des fans considered plates in sen fortress the later. And mocked Miyazaki design by forcing artificial difficulty so hard, that new players for whom das was their first Miyazaki game were forced to cope.

>>720114228 (OP)
This is why

>>720114228 (OP)
Switch 2 exlusive.
Key card digital only.
It will runs like shit. Exactly like Elden Ring on switch 2.

At first I thought it was Bloodborne2 or at least Elden Ringborne, just another name for a spiritual sequel.
Then it was a gay multiplayer thing like Nightreign. Hard pass.

>>720115035
>The ((majority)) said that about Demon's Souls on release. I really wonder what made the masses change their stance so drastically with Dark Souls 1.
I was on /v/ at the time, and honestly most people on /v/ were big fans of Demon's Souls right away, but people were also more willing to admit when the game was a bit tricky or when they were stuck on shit and people would work together to help people clear shit. That was part of the fun though, having to stop, think and prepare a little bit to deal with encounters.
Really I think Dark Souls did so much better simply because it was multiplat (and youtubers started making retarded "HARDEST GAME EVER????" videos about it as well which really helped bring mainstream attention to it. It got this reputation as being this hardcore test of might for gamers and people started to care about the franchise just to prove how hardcore they are at videogames, but without being able to actually articulate what they like about the games without just saying "its hard :)"

>>720114381
This. You can tell ds2 had a different director because it actually understood some of the points that made the classics so iconic. Yet you can see a clear shift. DS3 completly sealed the deal and was god awful in so many ways, yet redditors ate it up. I still ended up buying ER on release because it showed some signs that they're going back on some aspects, but sadly especially with the DLC that was wrong.

AC6 and Sekiro were peak but anything else they make thats anywhere close to a souls-like is dead to me.

They entered their wtf are they doing era. ER was good regardless of the seethers.

Man fromsoft should do something again the graphic it look outdated now

>>720115376
They got a crapton of money with ER and are looking to diversify? They already did that with Sekiro.
I think From games will survive well even when soulsslop fatigue from copycats settles in hard.

>>720114723
>Honestly, not that I care much about this particular game, but Dark Souls on a handheld would have been pretty comfy.
Dark souls is on the switch

>>720115457
I didn't actually know that, I have a switch but didn't do much with it cause I got tired of the bulk of its first party releases just being ports of Wii U games I already owned.

>>720115432
Graphics never mattered in these games dating back since the beginning.

>>720114228 (OP)
>multiplayer slop stuck on a console nobody owns
Gee I wonder. I love Miyazaki kino (including Elden Ring) but even I'm not gonna buy a Switch just to play a genre I don't care for.

>>720114228 (OP)
tendies don't care about 3rd party games

>>720115557
They matter now that normies found about them in the millions

>>720115573
This. I even enjoy the invasion aspect of Souls even though I suck ass and almost always get rekt but a game fully geared towards multiplayer isn't my cup of tea.

>>720114381
>They don't actually get what made Demon's Souls and Dark Souls so good
What's this mythical thing supposed to be anyway? People keep saying that every time FromSoft makes a game.

>>720114228 (OP)
>Switch 2 exclusive
Fuck off, man I can't wait for genX to grow up so we can abolish exclusives forever

>>720115657
It will be just like Final Fantasy. Their first Souls game will be the gold standard all other FromSoft games will fail to 1:1 replicate and thus won't be a "true" Souls game.

>>720115657
Ignore them. Boomers are deranged.

>>720115657
Clever level design and world building with fair enemy encounters.
DeS and DaS feel like someone took an old sword and sorcery tabletop game and reimagined it as an action game, while trying to keep all the vibes intact. DaS2 and onward just feel like cheap themepark experiences where the entire point is slogging through half-assed worlds and areas just to get to the next boss fight for the sake of doing another "hard" fight.

They're too focused on being "hard" combat oriented games now and lost the soul that came with the games being more inspired with the first two.

>>720115715
This sounds like cope from someone who started playing with Dark Souls 2 or 3

>>720115808
Played DeS < BB < DS3 < DS1 < DS2 < Sekiro < Elden Ring, don't like or dislike any over the other too much to care.
The gap between DeS and BB is I was on rehab.

>>720114228 (OP)
if it wasn't stuck on switch 2 I'd be interested, I enjoy From when they're in oddball mode

>>720114228 (OP)
>Promised
Not-Bloodborne
>Recieved
Not Bloodborne

>>720115789
>fair enemy encounters
Capra Demon being the best example

I honesly believe Malenia and Nu-Radahn will resist the "it was easy all along, actually" phase almost every Souls boss gets after some years.
People still rely heavily on cheese tactics to get past them.

>>720114747
>what a joke, if this doesn't flop hard it'll mean that From has become too big to fail and that the quality of their games will only get worse
Nightreign was already successful anon

>>720116076
Owari da

>>720114228 (OP)
it's not on steam

>>720115946
I know people like to bring him up as a bullshit boss, but I unironically beat him on my first try before that fight was even a meme.
Literally all I did was walk through the fog with my shield raised and then go up the stairs and it was as simple as killing the dogs up on the top area and then killing Capra demon after.
I don't really think Capra demon is unfair, I think its there to condition the player to be careful when going through fog doors and to expect a fight. I was already conditioned to react to the fog doors this way, so I had zero issues with that fight.

There's a pretty decent difference between
>This fight can be tricky, you need to block when you enter the room
and
>This fight can be tricky, the boss has intentionally ambiguous wind up animations and will wait for you to do something before doing an instant punish because its reading your inputs.

The games went from "punishing but fair" to "punishing for the sake of it"

Almost every death in Dark Souls was my fault for being too greedy or impatient, but I died constantly in Elden Ring just because they went out of their way to subvert the expectations of experienced players.

>>720114228 (OP)
Souls culture is all about posturing as a hardcore gamer. An exclusive release on a Nintendo console killed that facade.

>>720114228 (OP)
I'm not buying some overpriced twndie toy to play one game.

>>720114228 (OP)
>multiplayer only, switch 2 only
yeah I wonder..

>>720114228 (OP)
It's a Switch 2 Tencent tribute, why the fuck should I care about corporate politics?

>>720116149
Did you jump a lot or got on your horse? You won't believe how that trivializes some fights.
I do recall thinking that those thin godskin apostle made out of elastic were put there just to troll people. But apparently I had run into a harder version of the boss in a crypt and later on met and easily killed the one at the windmills.

>>720116149
Bosses vary a lot by experience. Had no trouble with Capra, too, but I'm ashamed to admit how many times I've died to regular Rom in BB.

>>720116415
>I do recall thinking that those thin godskin apostle made out of elastic were put there just to troll people.
These ones really fucked me up, but its partially my own fault for deciding I was going to do a pure faith build. Fucking, apparently 90% of the game heavily resists Faith damage.

>>720114228 (OP)
>nintendo switch exclusive

>>720116495
By the time you get to retarded Sacred resistant enemies you have Sacred Flame infusions available even if you don't get many AoWs.
The Flame Art whetstone is in Radahn's castle once you defeat him IIRC.
Sacred isn't THAT BAD as people say for the most part, but it's crappy and not as near as rewarding as when you finally got to Lightning powers in previous games by going Faith.

I've finished all the Souls games and I have a Switch2 but I'm not interested in this game at all.
Doesn't FromSoft know that basically every Dark Souls fan plays the games for the single player? Making a multiplayer game is so fucking retarded.

>>720116641
I found that holy wolverine claw thing really early on and just sorta went full Faith after that, but I didn't realize how much it would fucking suck having a weapon that does 100% Faith damage without even doing basic regular damage on the side.

>>720114421
Mainly this.

>>720116752
>Doesn't FromSoft know that basically every Dark Souls fan plays the games for the single player? Making a multiplayer game is so fucking retarded.
Literally and unironically no, they straight up ruined my run of Elden Ring with all the retarded balance patches for the sake of PVP and I never bothered going back to it cause I got so fucking tired of my build getting radically changed every time I fired up the game just because some fags in PVP were being fags.

>>720116495
I had an Int build with some dex and str thrown in there and it wasn't much better with him stretching all around that tiny crypt.

>>720116760
It's been a long time since I first did my Full Faith run and never went through the DLC with it, but it's unfortunately ass.
But somehow the Coded Blade Sword or Pata AoW is so fucking strong it managed to do passable damage even against Radagon.
At first I thought it was how the game went until I realized I was just gimping myself.

>>720116752
>Making a multiplayer game is so fucking retarded.
Not in the world of money businesses. There is much more yen in multiplayer games as they allow ingame cosmetics store, etc. And as long as the servers are up there is a constant cash flow with near zero maintainance.

There's a horror game that looks cool but not very similar to Arx Fatalis.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1804010/Labyrinth_Of_The_Demon_King/

>>720116943
Nightreing sells "crystals" or costumes? Even From gachafied itself, it's joever.

>>720114228 (OP)
Nintyslop

>>720114228 (OP)
What hype? There's been one trailer and nothing else, so there's nothing to hype up.

>>720116495
Actually that's holy damage. Fire is actually super useful for most of the game. You also get access to lightning. If all fails, Stone of Gurranq.
Faith gets access to most damage types.

>>720116752
>>720116804
>>720116943
The playerbase memed the fuck out of Dark Souls multiplayer, both PVP and co-op, for a literal fucking decade. To the point that people even made mods around that.
FromSoft thinking that people want more multiplayer is literally the fault of the fucking playerbase itself.

>>720117540
Sorry, I meant to say Holy damage then

>>720117542
meh
Sure, there have been social media videos of people onions facing while playing PvP, but I reckon this game -- like Nightreign -- is just a sign of the times. Everything has to be turned into an always online multiplayer live service battle pass double XP drop event piece of shit or else it won't make enough money
Videogames fucking suck now

>>720114381
took the words out of my mouth. and making a pvpve just makes it more obvious to me that fromsoft no longer makes games that are interesting to me.
when people say something like this, there are usually people who'll say "oh so you just want them to make the same games over and over again". no, I don't, but there were certain design philosophies in demon's souls and dark souls that I thought were more like design principles that I'd see in their other games too. but clearly that applies only to some and not others. the sense of adventure in their games is gone. elden ring has no friction, even if you die a lot. the dying no longer is a set back, it's just a tax you're expected to pay whenever you face a new boss. i haven't cared about dying in a fromsoft game since after ds1. deaths are meaningless.

>>720114228 (OP)
>Literally the first Miyazaki game that people don't care about...
No one fucking cared for Deracine, either.

>>720114674
The difficulty problem is really that they're shackled to these particular fairly limited mechanics and they know changing them would alienate the normie audience that ultimately is their bread and butter. Those people don't want complicated combat mechanics. But From also can't just do the same shit over and over. I feel like their compromise with Elden Ring was largely just to lean on co-op as a kind of selective difficulty to excuse them for making the bosses (well, the late game ones at least) have endless combos, punish punishers, coinflip variable windup attacks, arbitrary combo extensions etc. They know normies are just gonna do it co-op and retard gamers are going to fling shit at actual brained gamers about how they should git gud because their personal self value comes from beating a boss in a video game and they have a sort of sunk cost thing going on

>>720114228 (OP)
You made the same threads for Nightreign and then Nightreign skullfucked Wilds

>>720114228 (OP)
Multiplayer slop

>>720114674
>Secondary shitter gets filtered and thinks he has an opinion worth sharing
Lol

>>720115348
>Bosses have like 2 hit conbos at best
>HARDEST GAME EVER
Normies...

>>720114228 (OP)
I'm so not looking forward to play at 20fps with frame pacing issues.

>>720118345
I've been playing these games since DeS came out and was in the original threads on /v/ talking about it,
The appeal of the games was never really the "difficulty" and there's nothing particularly challenging about using iframes to swooce through attacks. My point is that they've gone from designing fair enemies to making them intentionally annoying just for the sake of being "harder", but the problem with designing your game to be really annoying is that the game will be annoying to play instead of fun.

>>720115789
Dark souls 2 was awesome and yiure just to gay to admit it

>>720118475
Dark Souls 2 wasn't even finished at launch, they basically slopped the game out onto store shelves in a beta state.

>>720118137
Deaths are meaningless in Dark Souls and Demon's Souls. Only Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring ACTUALLY punish Deaths by removing a substantial buff from the player

>>720118508
The game has the soul of 1 and is exactly as fun.
It even made it better for reducing I frames on roll making spacing and blocming more successfull.

Soloing some bosses is too hard. Using spirit ashes or even NPC summons trivialize them and you barely get to really fight.
FromSoft needs to strike a good balance.
Only Radagon felt more or less prepared to deal with being ganked and even he can't take it.

>>720118474
Quit lying, faggot shitter

>>720118583
And DS2 really fucks you because it starts despawning enemies if you die too much.

>>720114228 (OP)
>elden fortnite ring(bloodborne edition)
>Switch 2 exclusive
>Even though Elden Ring on Switch 2 ran like complete shit from previews
>Also having to play a mainly online game with Switch 2 netcode
>Have to pay for NSO
>Also having to run discord to voice chat because the switch 2 is not a serious console
Genuinely sounds like the most miserable experience possible

>>720118634
Git gud
>Using spirit ashes or even NPC summons trivialize them and you barely get to really fight.
That's part of the designated shitter humiliation ritual
You don't get to "beat" the game in easy

>>720118642
>DS2 fucks you by allowing endless high level bonfire ascetic farming so that you can enter Drangleic with a triple digit sl build
????

>>720118640
I could go into my garage and dig out my PS3 games to show you my hard copy of DeS, but I don't really feel like it would be worth the trouble. Either way, its extremely gay to assume anyone criticizing these games at all is just mad cause they're bad.

If you think rolling through attacks with 15f invulnerability is peak difficulty you should try playing fighting games.

>>720118642
>And DS2 really fucks you because it starts despawning enemies if you die too much.
At least its not as bad as the DeS World Tendency where they added newer, harder enemies to worlds as punishment for dying too much.

>>720114228 (OP)
but I am getting a snitch 2 just for this game bro

>>720118805
>Either way, its extremely gay to assume anyone criticizing these games at all is just mad cause they're bad.
Post your own gameplay then, shitter

>>720114228 (OP)
Miyazaki knows most of his fanbase is on PC so he's releasing Duskbloods as a 'tendo exclusive to galvanize Switch 2 emulator development efforts. Trust the plan.

>>720118846
Nobody keeps Body form in Demon's Souls, nor the game is challenging enough to warrant the buff from it

>>720118751
I meant without ascetics and going into ng+. You think shitters are going to make the game harder for themselves?

>>720115573
Imagine thinking anyone can afford a full Fromsoftware exclusive
I give it 6 months until it goes multiplat

>>720118850
Why the fuck would I randomly have clips of myself playing Dark Souls on my computer?

>>720114228 (OP)
You lost tranny
Fromgods gonna win another goty with this

>>720118941
You think bonfire ascetics make the game harder? They are a farming cheese tactic that even the worst player suffers no consequences from because you have to unlock the path beyond the relative section either way

>>720118508
It wasn't even finished in SotFS and what they delivered wasn't a beta but the pre-alpha since shit that was perfectly fine in the game show previews is completely broken or missing in thd final game.

>>720114381
Maybe you just fed up with life?
Go see a therapist doomer

>>720114228 (OP)
isn't it an extraction type game? now that is cringe

>>720118978
Where's the Deracine PCVR release?

>>720119087
>wasn't a beta but the pre-alpha since shit that was perfectly fine in the game show previews is completely broken or missing in thd final game.

>Game is completely designed around the dynamic lighting
>they can't get the lighting to work
>just say "Fuck it" and delete it but leave the levels the way they are
>useless fucking torches everywhere
>shitloads of ugly obvious texture issues that were probably covered up by the dynamic lighting
>devs promise that enemies will have unscrited emergent AI and will dynamically react to the player
>get to the part of the game where they showed this off
>its literally just a regular scripted enemy
Almost fucking everything they said about Dark Souls 2 prior to release was a fucking lie. I'm still mad

>>720118978
i think nintendo got a cheaper price for the exclusive since its a AA multiplayer focused game

>>720119137
I mean, Nightreign is genuinely one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever seen and it got 300k player peak

>>720114228 (OP)
>elden ring was a smash hit
>nightreign was a smash hit
This game HAS to flop, Shazamsisters. It has to, because FromSHIT has to face justice for all the suicides they caused among our trans lesbian community with their successes. They can't keep getting away with it!!!

Here is the problem
>Souls got popular because it was the ONLY VIDEO GAME game on the MovieStation3
>Nintendo already has video games
>Nintendo fans are not interested in multiplayer slop
>Souls fans don't exist are instead
>they are either:
>PS fans who want to play non-Cinematic Video games without the stigma of it being for kids, or
>PC fans who have spent so long playing excel spreadsheet simulators or FPS and want to play an adventure game without the stigma of it being for kids
This game is for no one. Regardless of its quality.

>>720119258
You should look up Lightning Engine Mod for DS2 and maybe you'll be at peace.

>>720119258
It's been a while since I've played it but wasn't Lost Sinner's lock on radius shorter because she was supposed to jump in and out of the darkness (hence the torches on the side you could light) but in the final game that shit was pretty much pointless since you could see her all the time?

>>720114674
Filtered kek

>>720119557
I got like 75% of the way through the game before I stopped playing because I got bored.
I'm sure I could have beaten the game if I wanted to, but the fights were tedious and unrewarding, so I didn't particularly want to.

There's a difference between a game being hard and just being unfun. I'm not even saying Elden Ring needs to be easier, I'm saying the devs intentionally designed the enemies to be annoying and unfun to play against, which unsurprisingly is annoying and unfun to play against, just as they intended.

I'm concerned it will be a Nightreign type game instead of Bloodborne bing bing wahoo edition

>>720119652
>Bored
>Tedius
>Unrewarding
Cope
>There's a difference between a game being hard and just being unfun.
Yeah the difference is you being a filtered shitter and coping about it
>I'm saying the devs intentionally designed the enemies to be annoying and unfun to play against
No, they designed them for player to use spacing and properly engage them, which unaurprisingly filters shitters

>>720114381
truke

>>720115073
This. Picrel was a mistake, with BB and DeS remake being the only reprieves. Reminder that if you play on PC you are a filthy fucking secondary and your opinion is shit.

>>720119652
Post your gameplay

>>720115715

Definitely untrue. My first Souls-like was Elden Ring and it's a hunk of boring shit that I dropped before I even got up the big elevator.

just like bloodborne I'm not buying a console + internet subscription for a single game

>>720119723
>No, they designed them for player to use spacing and properly engage them
Anon my main genre is fighting games, I'm fully aware of how to use spacing and how to bait out attacks or whiff punish. I literally do a much harder version of what you do in Elden Ring every time I play fighting games, and much like in fighting games, the elden ring devs were lazy fucks that couldn't be arsed to actually design good bosses so they just set them to read your inputs and cheese the player the same way old fighting game bosses used to cheat and be bullshit on purpose just to waste your quarters.

Playing Elden Ring is about as much fun as fighting Shao Kahn in MK2.

Again, there is a difference between a game being difficult and a game being tedious and annoying.
Having the boss walk around doing literally nothing just strafing circles around the player until the player presses a button that leaves a window so the boss can fly across the stage to punish you isn't difficult its just fucking dumb.

Nothing about Elden Ring boss fights feels like a fun or well designed fight, and every clip I see of people beating bosses has them jumping around spamming weapon arts like a fucking retard.
The optimal way to play the game is hopping around like a spastic, and the game punishes you for being patient and blocking instead of rewarding you like previous games.
If I can consistently do 2f links and nail standing 720s on a gamepad, I think I can handle a dodge roll with 15f of full invulnerability, however why would I actually bother slogging through a game that I don't think is fun to play?

>>720119919
Ok cool. So how many games would you buy a console for? 2? 3? Does it have to be a minimum of 10? 20?

>>720120131
at least 5. including future releases

>>720120131
Not him, but personally my minimum is 5
A console needs 5 exclusives that look worth playing before I'll bite the bullet and buy a new console, but I haven't bought a new console since the Wii U. Ended up skipping the Xbone and PS4 cause they never got to the point where they had 5 games.

>>720114381
FPBP

>>720120131
I think I remember a very good argument of 5 or the cost of the console in games (lets say 3 games = 120 and the console is 120)

ITT:

Its pvp. Thats it.

Dark Souls 2 was the only good pvp Fromsoft ever supported. They dropped shit like AC6 like a sack of shit and people expect the same here.

>>720115715
>first FF game was VIII
>IX is my favorite
Huh. Is it common for your first FF to be your fav?

>>720120660
If it was a free PVP premium game on PC I'm sure it would have done well.
Nintendo fans do not care for PVP games like this when the have Splatoon, Smash, etc etc
This will have no players in a week

>>720115789
>with fair enemy encounters.
>das had 4 cheap ambushed with enemies behind corner in undeadburg alone

>>720115657
these people have been latching onto the opinions of an irish youtuber for almost 10 years now instead of accepting they've been left in the dust. ignore them.

>>720120997
>tutorial area teaches you to be careful and look for ambushes instead of just running around
Is that a bad thing?

>>720118508
>Dark Souls 2 wasn't even finished at launc
Neither was das, but because it was first game for kids, they let it pass

>>720121138
There's a difference between
>we had to cut some content so there's one or two areas that weren't fully realized
and
>we had to cut core features that we marketed the game around and every area in the game is half finished at best

>>720114228 (OP)
I'm not paying $500 to play one game.

THE SOUR GRAPING OLYMPICS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL SNOY MORALE IMPROVES

>>720120007
Post your gameplay

>>720115261
This. All they had to do is ''borrow'' Big Daddy's design from Bioshock, perhaps make it look a bit more gothic.

>>720114228 (OP)
>PvPvE
I don't care about red man content, I'm not paying $570 to play a game focused on red man content.

>>720121128
>game i started with teaches you to be careful,
>second game i played is artifical difficulty that prevents me just running into room and hitting things
Yep, typical das kid
Fuck, we had Lords of Fallen recently where daskids cried about exactly same style of cheap enemy placement as das, just through entire game

>>720121253
Just get the one from The Terror.

>>720121398
Anon, I started with DeS and I've played every Souls game up to Elden Ring, and Elden Ring will probably be my last From Soft game for a while.

>>720121210
>>we had to cut core features that we marketed the game around and every area in the game is half finished at best
But enough about das.
Oh wait, you weren't here for release and never saw trailers with how many npc were actually supposed to be in firelink shrine

>>720121537
Anon all of DaS2 was designed around the dynamic lighting system they scrapped at the last minute, thats a much bigger deal than a few NPCs being cut content.

>>720116076
I couldn't be arsed to play Nightreign but at least I can understand its existance, it was a cheap project riding off of ER's success. Duskbloods on the other hand is a whole new thing and a console exclusive based off of an old console exclusive from a different system, it's such a weird project
>>720120217
and people wonder why From doesn't bother with facial animations

>>720120131
all of them?

>>720121449
>Anon, I started with DeS
>defending das
how to spot a lying asshole
People who started with des, treat das the same way pc kids treat das2, and for very good reason with how disappointing and half assed it felt

>>720119825
How are you this retarded anon?

>>720121771
Good lord you're a massive faggot.
I'm just going to let you feel like you've "won" this conversation because clearly its very important for you that everyone loves Souls games and respects people that take them seriously, and the only people that don't are clearly newfags that don't know anything about the games, never played them, got filtered and need to git gud.

Congrats, you got me, I definitely wasn't renting DeS from Blockbuster to play along with /v/, I definitely didn't play all the following games either.

>>720114228 (OP)
Switch2 no one want to play this on that trash slop of a console

>>720114228 (OP)
I have soulslike fatigue.
>pointless runbacks for "padded difficulty"
>stupid and awkward boss attacks
>boss doesnt get staggered or register being attacked
>button input reading by bosses
>boss winds up attack but you cant attack in that window because then he punishes you, despite being stabbed in the gut somehow is able to recover faster than you
>wait 20 attacks for your turn to attack once
ER was good but the DLC showed the direction they were going and its bringing all the same stupid souls behaviors with it. These games just arent really that great.

>>720120007
Git gud

>>720118254
This and good points. The combat is awful. Its decent for an older game but its just not fun in modern gaming.

>>720122168
Boss canceling his attacks just to fuck you over

>>720118254
>Those people don't want complicated combat mechanics.
What are "complicated combat mechanics"?
>they know changing them would alienate the normie audience that ultimately is their bread and butter
Why would they change mechanics?
>endless combos, punish punishers, coinflip variable windup attacks, arbitrary combo extensions etc.
Git gud

>>720122302
Nigger, stop stealing webms for your tranny shitposting

>>720114228 (OP)
>>720114381
>>720114413
Why does /v/ instantly accept anything an OP asks as truth?
Specially when it comes to lack of hype for a game, you schizos have an increasingly long list of games that cause mental breakdowns here because you were sure they would flop and didn't.

>>720114228 (OP)
It's exclusive to a dogshit system and it's just another shovelware Nightreign clone. It'll be practically dead on arrival.

>>720122453
So this is how a Fromdrone acts when confronted when they can't refute something with their headcanon. How sad.

>>720122529
>replying to a bot

>>720122565
Hard to tell when it comes to Fromdrones

The switch 2 is like 800 dollars that's what

>>720122529
>Desync glitch
>Enemy cancels attacks!!!
Retarded faggot, delete my webm

>>720118254
Git gud

>Switch 2 exclusive
>Doubling down on the multiplayer focus that everyone hated in Nightreign
>Not Bloodborne 2 but trying to cash in on the aesthetic
>Fromsoft has proven they will never ever learn how to develop a game with a tangible story and quests that aren't total fucking dogshit

Vocal minorities are the only retards looking forward to this slop.
Fromsoft made their final game with Elden Ring. They purposely showed everyone that's the best they can do. Anything else being released will be sold for profit and profit alone. Miyazaki especially will never allow something better to be made.

>>720122932
right everyone else are the vocal minority.
not the contrarians posting slop 50 times a day.

>>720120131
Nintenfaggots are so fucking disgusting.

>>720120007
tl;dr
you just suck you retard
i'm a very average player but i have managed to finish all souls games and bloodborne, like just level up your character lmao
stupid ass nigger stfu and git gud

>>720122932
>that everyone hated in Nightreign
Who is this "everyone"?
The voices in your head?

>>720114228 (OP)
Fatigue. All their games are the same. and competition is getting better

>>720114228 (OP)
It's a top 3 AAA game for 2026 retard.

>>720121228
Literally every person I know in real life thinks Nightreign and Duskbloods both look like shit because of the multiplayer focus. Switch 2 exclusivity is just a free "now you know for a fact you shouldn't buy this" bonus.

People do not play Fromsoft games for multiplayer.
They are destroying their legacy trying to pander to vermin who have absolutely no taste at all and will abandon them when the next shiny multiplayer slop comes out.
Nightreign sold a tiny fraction of what Elden Ring did and fans of the normal gameplay avoided it. No YouTube video or steam chart can change this consensus.

Duskbloods will not sell very well. It's a game for nobody.
A Switch 2 game flopping will break your heart, I know. You just can't take it and need to loudly cope in public. It's okay little guy. You'll be an adult someday and it gets easier to control your emotions when you finish puberty.

>>720123682
No one is making better souls like games than them.

>>720122824
>Seething this hard
lol

>>720123767
Who is those people?

Its a Miyazaki directed game. It won't fail.

>>720123767
>Actually it won't sell like crazy

>>720114228 (OP)
i have fromsoft fatigue desu, its always the same darksouls clone over and over with different assets.

>>720124108
They been doing that since 2009 so if you've played their every game there's enough to be fatigued and a lot to have enjoyed.

>>720122168
>LAZER LAZER LAZER LAZER
>SWING SWING SWING SWING
>*literally flies into the sky*
>EXPLOSION ATTACK
>SWIN SWING SWING SWING
>LAZER LAZER LAZER LAZER
>Okay your turn now you get one light swing
>PUNISHED
>LAZER LAZER LAZER LAZER
>SWING SWING SWING SWING

>Finally beat boss
>Vague flashback cutscene with nothing interesting happening is your reward
>Oh and a cute little crown that gives you a pathetic stat boost : ^ )

Shadow Of The Erdtree was my last Fromsoft anything.
They actively hate quality gameplay at this point and I don't enjoy watching a boss play a more fun game while I wait my turn for 3 fucking hours. Boss design was bad enough in the base game, but now I know they have given up and are just trying to run a profitable company that can pay artists and animators for making neat models.
They've completely lost their touch. It's just "make it bullshit hard and anti-fun" now.

>>720122824
>Desync glitch

>>720123798
Copycats are starting to reach their tier but Soulsfatigue in general is already setting in, so they may never have economical incentive to actually equal or surpass From.

>>720124189
Git gud

>>720123187
>>720123570
I'm correct and you have no argument.
Go back to playing with your little nintendo toy.

>>720114381
>They don't actually get what made Demon's Souls and Dark Souls so good,

this

>>720123925
It's the weird mentality of
>I don't like it, therefore it's bad! Therefore it flopped!!

>>720124219
>Copycats are starting to reach their tier
No lol
Nobody but From actually understands Soulslike

>>720124007
>Players
>Not sales

It's a switch 2 exclusive for a game that is very clearly disgusting to the overwhelming majority of fromsoft fans.
It will not sell very well and believing otherwise is a deranged cope.

>>720122389
>What are "complicated combat mechanics"?
I guarantee that all he actually means by "complicated combat mechanics" are entirely player-character side execution gimmicks to give the plebs a veneer of mastery in their semi-interactive slopgame

>>720124007
Nightreign could coast on the giga-popular Elden Ring and it's multiplat, Dusblood will sell 80% less

>>720124279
Bold of you to declare that you had something resembling an argument that went beyond "I don't like it therefore it's bad" since every point you presented was either wrong or your opinion.

>>720124241
I beat both the base game and the DLC. They both had total dogshit boss design.

You are a sub-human pitch black gorilla nigger.

>>720124456
Git gud

>>720114381
>>720115657
There is a lot of things but for me was customizability. You could create so many builds/fashion souls and have a lot of fun in Dark Souls 1 & 2, 3 has that fucking Bloodborne filter that makes every armor and map feel the same, this again in Elden Ring.

ER is an open world but it feels like some generic adventure while DS while having a much more streamlined progression felt much more like a personal adventure. There was some magic there, it was the perfect balance between an open world and old PS1/2 games that still had levels.

>>720124189
>Shadow Of The Erdtree was my last Fromsoft anything.
100% agree. I was interested in ER and thought there was some fun fights but the DLC immediately changed my mind about fromsoft. Im not touching anything they have for at a least a year after launch to verify its decent.

>>720124591
Turns out that giant massive empty fields with points of interest are not a replacement for hand crafted areas where everything has a purpose and the game isn't intentionally wasting your time.

I don't think Fromsoft's multiplayer features have ever been all that awesome. Invading is undeniably neat but that feature's been fucked from every angle by this point by both the developers responding to complaints and players working around the nerfs to find new edges.
Making an entire game about invading? God help us all, it's not going to be playable after a single day.

>>720124437
You're not somehow losing less by crying about not having argument.

These are facts:
- Fromsoft fans don't want to buy multiplayer games. This was definitively proven by the massive disparity of day-one sales between Nightreign and Elden Ring. Nightreign sold a tiny fraction of Elden Ring's sales. Duskbloods will be even worse because it's an exclusive.

- Fromsoft fans are not going to buy a console just for one game. Bloodborne proved this. It's the exact reason we don't have a sequel despite overwhelmingly positive acclaim.

You have no argument. You are a shit eating retard trying to win an argument in favor of a corporation by crying.

>>720114228 (OP)
When I learned there’s no way to play solo (even Nightreign has a solo mode, neglected as it is) my interest dropped off a cliff.

>>720124693
Multiplayer focus in any game is unplayable by default.
The development process always results in a lazy piece of shit game that forces players to make the fun themselves.

>>720124782
These are the facts
- Fromsoft fans want to buy multiplayer games. This was definitively proven by the massive disparity of day-one sales between Sekiro and Elden Ring. Sekiro sold a tiny fraction of Elden Ring's sales.

>>720118701
>Noooooo you can't use the tools the me gives youuuu
Pathetic, I don't understand how this retards still around

>>720124907
>When I learned there’s no way to play solo
From where?
In the only interview, they said nothing about solo mode/lack of it
Only thing about different modes was him saying that not all games will end in pvp

>>720118850
He's actually the type that was playing the game back then you faggot. It's probably you who is a secondary if you like Elden Ring that much

>>720124854
>YOU WAIT YOUR FUCKING TURN WHILE I DO THIS COMBO
>IF YOU HIT ME BEFORE I LET YOU, I'LL PUNISH YOU

Fucking insufferable game design.

>>720125030
Post your own gameplay, shitter

>>720114228 (OP)
I own a Switch 2 and I don't care about multiplayer slop. I don't even care if it's exclusive or not, just make a more classic single player souls game with no open world shit, that's what I want.

>>720114228 (OP)
Switch 2 playing most third party games at 540p

>>720124917
>deliberately copying a format but using broken retard logic
You're just trolling now. Kill yourself, niggerfaggot vermin.

>>720124917
>Elden Ring is a multiplayer-focused game

Smartest Switch 2 fag.

>>720124917
>Elden Ring didn't have arenas at launch
>Works completely offline without ever once using internet

>Multiplayer game

>>720125354
>>Elden Ring didn't have arenas at launch
>>Works completely offline without ever once using internet
Also true for Duskbloods

>>720114228 (OP)
>A fucking PvP game on the Switch 2 where everybody is going to fight on wifi with From's dogshit netcode
What were they thinking????

>>720114228 (OP)
It's just Nightreign. And I don't have a Switch 2, nor do I plan to get one any time soon.

>>720124650
Many people talked about this since the game was released but I will say again anyway: a bunch of friendly cities/campsites around the world would do wonders to give life to the Lands Between. You don't have a home in ER like the Firelink Shrine or Majula, and the Roundtable is such a cold place. Outside on those endless fields you can't find a single place to be amazed, like a natural formation, some kind of statue or giant relic. There is nothing, no civilization, the few ruins you find in your path look copy/pasted, and places where people live, from a single shack to the likes of Carian and Volcano Manor feel like props from a movie, instead of areas where you can see someone once lived, like Anor Londo.

>>720125480
>Bro skyrim
You should kill yourself

>>720125480
>There is nothing, no civilization, the few ruins you find in your path look copy/pasted, and places where people live, from a single shack to the likes of Carian and Volcano Manor feel like props from a movie, instead of areas where you can see someone once lived, like Anor Londo.
The closest we get is that one village of pot people

>>720125480
>would do wonders to give life to the Lands Between
They are not supposed to have life

>>720125480
Anor Londo is the same shit. Don't be a dumbass and admit Souls don't do this very well as a whole and that's not what most players want from the games, too.

PC trannies mad they're not getting this. Again, if you like games, a good PC and Nintendo a console is the way to go. You get all the must play games that way.

>>720114381
>i didn't realize I didn't like their games until they became popular
Faggot.

ER is the last fromsoft game I'll be tricked into buying. Literally every aspect of it is complete garbage. I have over 200 hours in it so I've given it a fair chance.

>>720125714
Are you implying that Souls games weren't popular until Elden Ring?
Do you not remember Dark Souls being the biggest thing on youtube for like a solid half a year when it came out? These games have been mainstream tier popular for over a decade.

>>720125676
Very happy when this comes out that we get to experience a good/popular game at release without steam charts being spammed.

>>720125817
NTA but even if undeniably Dark Souls has been an absurdly popular series for a long while now, somehow Elden Ring sold to much and became even more popular among the gamer market in general.
Dark Side of the Moon was a huge success and The Wall made it even bigger for Pink Floyd, likewise Dark Souls and Elden Ring for FromSoft.

>>720125991
Sure, but this doesn't make the accusation of contrarianism any more legitimate. The idea that souls games suddenly got popular because of Elden Ring while they were these niche hidden gems before is just silly to me.

>>720125645
So it's a 4chan simulator but it's like the last April's Fool where there was just 2 boards, Flash and /HorseCock/

>>720125676
Nintendo can tongue my anus and anyone who still supports them is a fucking idiot.

>>720114381
Elden Ring kicks the shit out of DS1 and DeS and no amount of replying to yourself will change that.
>>720114228 (OP)
It's because nobody who likes actual videogames wants to play them on a piece of shit fisher price tablet.

>>720114228 (OP)
it being a switch game
thats all

>>720115193
because unlike reddit or steam, the only way to validate your dumb beliefs on /v/ is to follow sales numbers cause you can't earn your dumb reddit gold here.

>>720126243
>Elden Ring kicks the shit out of DS1 and DeS
You're entitled to your own opinions, they're bad opinions, but they're yours and that makes them special.

>ackshually souls games have bad combat and it's a mistake to focus on it
>from releases a spinoff mp game 100% about movement and combat in elden ring
>it's fun
>it's a huge success
I think fromsoft knows what they're doing better than youtubers and /v/.

>>720114228 (OP)
We've only had one short announcement trailer, what is there to by hyped about?

>>720126242
You're a cuck. They make better software than any shit dev who puts PC first. They're also better than Valve.

>>720115789
DS2 has very interesting levels and world, its just janky and poorly put together
also it has the easiest bosses (not counting DLCs)

>>720116149
>The games went from "punishing but fair" to "punishing for the sake of it"
No, you're just too lazy to learn a second videogame.

>>720125439
Don't forget about their dog shit optimisation. Elden Ring is barely running at PS4 standards on Switch 2.

>>720126583
>Beat Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, 3 and Sekiro just fine
>apparently I was simply too lazy to learn to play Elden Ring and it actually wasn't boring or tedious to play
Well thanks for clearing that up for me anon, I'm glad you know more about my opinions than I do

>>720114228 (OP)
>this whole thread
The actual reason is because we don’t know shit about it. All we got is that teaser trailer, the fact it’s PvPvE, and… nothing else. Kinda hard to be excited about something you know nothing about
Hell i’d argue the only reason it was shown off was not because nintendo actually cares about the game, but because they wanted the cred of being able to say
>”Hey look, even FROMsoft (the creators of dark souls & elden ring) are making an exclusive for the switch 2 because it’s just that good and they have faith in us!”
Lot easier to get 3rd party devs on board to develop for the system if the biggest of them all is making an exclusive. They just don’t want another wii u situation, it can flop for all they care

>>720116149
>The games went from "punishing but fair" to "punishing for the sake of it"
There's literally no punishment anymore. If you die to a boss, you respawn right outside the arena - even if there's no bonfire.

>>720115657
Demon Souls and Dark Souls were From Sofware's earlier games of the PS2 era (Dark Tower, Eternal Ring, Kingsfield 4) turned into actually good gameplay. Same with AC6 being a functional version of the earlier jank ass Armored Core games. DS2 was an unfinished, rushed, uneeded follow up to DS1. DS3 was a weird effort to fuse Bloodblorne and DS1 into an ambush ridden grind fest. Elden Ring was DS3 with a number of improvements mired by absurdly difficult, spammy bosses and encounters. Hard doesn't equal good. Good equals good.

>>720126451
They used to about 20 years ago. They suck ass now, you're nothing but a manchild with arrested development and battered housewife syndrome.

>>720126728
By "Punishing" I mean "you die" not "you have to run back to the boss"

>>720126724
We already know it's just nightreign with a bloodborne flavor.

>>720126749
>DS2 was an unfinished, rushed
I don't know about that, the game seemed pretty amazing the big problem was the downgrade to make it portable to consoles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59eLW1IGUCU

>>720126920
After Majula the game is filled with unfinished assets. In fact you can see how vastly better looking your home base is vs other areas by lighting and shaders being present that aren't found elsewhere.

>>720126370
DS1 and DeS are baby games, have mediocre balance, shit PVP, and are unfinished despite being a bit short.

>>720126668
Elden Ring is literally just DS3 but better. There's no way you can like DS3 and not like Elden Ring. Also no, you didn't play sekiro.

Hope they port das2 to switch

>>720127203
Funniest shit is still the small jail next to Majula where the cells are just boxes that they slapped onto the walls and you can easily see them floating in mid-air from the outside

>>720126749
DS2 is more finished than DS1. Especially SOTFS but even vanilla.

>>720115154
NTA but I agree with him, ER was when it really went overboard, although I feel DS3 had its moments as well. When I died in DeS or DaS I felt most of the time the death was fair. There were annoying exceptions, but they were the same ones everyone experiences their first time. In ER, even with prior experience I just don't want to go through the game again. I get to extremely bullshit points and just quit. Maybe I'm just getting too old for these games, genuinely, but I'm burnt out on this shit.

>>720114421
fpbp

>>720126750
No, on average no one makes better software still in the current year. If you don't agree you're disingenuous and lying.

>>720124370
>Players
>Not sales
Neither of those are on any subscription services though, those are the sales

>>720114984
git gud
>>720127691
git gud

>>720128180
Anon just replying to literally every complaint or criticism with "git gud" does nothing but make you look autistic.

>>720128259
the only reply needed too
git gud

>>720128259
You must be liberal if you think calling someone here a retarded autist is going to have any impact on their psyche.

>>720114228 (OP)
There's only been a reveal trailer nigga

>>720128306
>>720128180
Sure you can beat Elden Ring, but can you do a standing 720 in street fighter?

>>720114421
Pretty much. Not to mention its apparently some weird multiplayer game and not a normal souls experience.

>>720128180
No. I don't want to anymore. This is boring

>>720127691
>When I died in DeS or DaS I felt most of the time the death was fair.
Yeah like the dogs that stunlock you, or the torch hollows ignoring poise, or the stone golems casting TWOP leaving you defenseless or even a way to know the spell has run out once you understand it, or the hidden enemies in blight town that silently shoot tiny darts at you where getting shot once inflicts you with a fatal status condition, or the NPC that kills your firekeeper if you don't murder him unprompted, or the skeleton wheels, or the giant skeleton dogs with zero windup attacks, or the black knight that silently aggros BELOW THE FLOOR while you're dealing with said skeleton dogs, or not getting the skull lantern because a necromancer dropped it in a random hole when he randomly killed himself, or the 20 ghost gangbang in new londo, or the fucking bed of chaos.

>>720126750
>They used to about 20 years ago
That's my favorite period for gaming and (generally speaking) I find Nintendo games specifically are far better now than then
You would never hear the end of it now if current Nintendo were to release something as unpolished as many of their first-party GC games

>>720128545
The nice thing about "bullshit" in Dark Souls is that once you're aware of it, its not bullshit anymore. And if you're playing cautiously you'll probably avoid falling for 99% of these anyway.

With the "bullshit" in elden ring you can't avoid it, thats just what the game is like, its not a bug its a feature.

>>720115261
same vibe

>>720128045
Nintendo just sat out the worst mario kart and then spat on every one of their consumers after they shelled out for it. They haven't the faintest how to make good games anymore, they just rely on open world slop and are so arrogant they'll try to force people to like their mistakes. There's far better developers now.

>>720128432
a what? why are you talking street fighter in a from thread?

>>720128714
>FRITZ! FRITZ, GET UP FOR GOD'S SAKE! GET UP! THEY'VE KILLED FRITZ! THEY'VE KILLED FRITZ!

>>720128792
Because fighting games are objectively harder than Fromsoftware games, and if we're talking about gitting gud, we might as well rip off the bandaid and stop talking about baby shit like 15f of invulnerability just by dodge rolling

>>720128598
I'm talking about 20 and older. GC was generally where they started to decline.

>>720127357
Kek that was some funny shit. Also while a lot of people talk about the gank squads the whole game is pretty unbalanced

>>720127691
>although I feel DS3 had its moments as well.
It goes up and down but I felt that they went insane with the DLCs, like "oh this is your last time playing Dark Souls so it's going to be UBER HARD" but it was not hard, just unfair. Gank squads and enemies with huge health bars are not peak Souls.

>>720128545
Yeah but that shit was fun. I wanted to keep going because the world was great and everything, while ER is just empty fields forever.

>>720128882
>Because fighting games are objectively harder than Fromsoftware games
So why did you get filtered by From games this hard?

>>720114381
hilarious amount of frombabbie seethe at this post
they probably all started with 2

>>720128776
You're a lying piece of shit that didn't even play a second of MKW. Bananza is a Goty candidate. MP4 is getting put out the this year. The SW2 year 1 is leaps and bounds better than the PS5 and Xbox's year 1 release. You're a such a disingenuous cuck.

>>720129149
Its almost like I didn't and Elden Ring is just not as fun to play as the other games are.

>>720129185
lmao whatever tendie, stick with your stockholm syndrome as they continue to degrade.

>>720129253
>Its almost like I didn't
Yes you did

>>720129304
Sure whatever anon

>>720129265
You're 3rd world and brown. I fucking hate that you scum shit the industry and web up now.

>>720129357
I'm first world and white, I just don't inhale corporate boots like you do. That's full retard behavior and why Nintendo treats you like shit.

>>720129353
I'm not the one admitting to finding enemies annoying
Not sure what Street Fighting has to do with the fact you can't play Elden Ring

>>720129440
I don't worship shit retard. I play good games. My PC and Nintendo console has access to good games in 2025 and onward. If you can't acknowledge that then you're disingenuous and not worth speaking to.

>>720129517
There is a difference between "annoying" and "too difficult", I'm not sure why you are assuming that they mean the same thing.

>>720114228 (OP)
>switch 2

>>720129517
lmao I bet this anon gets filtered by 52 card pickup.
Imagine getting filtered because picking up cards is too hard for you

>>720129641
>There is a difference between "annoying" and "too difficult"
No, the former is just a buzzword made up by filtered retards

>>720129609
>good games
>elden ring
Pick one

>>720128672
Some of the things I talked about can be partially mitigated and others cannot, outside of avoiding options areas entirely.
>With the "bullshit" in elden ring you can't avoid it,
There is very little bullshit in elden ring and what is present is completely optional. No, ER bosses being generally faster than the anemic slugs that make up the DS1 boss roster is not bullshit.

>>720129706
Yeah man radahn/miquella master blaster was such a fair and balanced boss fight that didn't need to be patched because there were certain combo strings you literally couldn't dodge

>>720128045
>>720129185
Nintendo hasn't made even one good game since mario odyssey other than Dread, and that was made by Spanish waifufags, not their in house "talent"

>>720129609
You got this pissy over an opinion on nintendo and the switch2, you suck their dick

>>720114228 (OP)
>shitch poo
lol, lmao even

>>720129357
It's not "brown" to prefer games that aren't made for five year olds

>>720129820
It was unfair and they almost immediately patched it. Just like they almost immediately patched what few instances of genuine bullshit were in the base game.

>>720114228 (OP)
How many of these fucking things do you people need? Elden Ring should have been the final word on the matter.

>>720129768
NTA but all of the things you listed can be mitigated as to not be a problem in subsequent playthroughs. You absolutely cannot avoid having to go through the sludge that fills ER because even with prior knowledge it is still incredibly monotonous and unavoidable, as they know players are now already familiar with the series and are more savvy. From definitely started losing the plot somewhere around DS3 when it comes to applying completely unreasonable difficulty imo

>>720129840
Most of Nintendo's games are basically shovelware, especially at this point. People attribute the work of other devs that Nintendo works with to Nintendo and those are usually the far better games.

>>720129734
Oof, axewound still hurts after 3 years? Can't be good for you.
Then again, you're a nintendo fan, being a mentally impaired slave is ingrained into you

>>720129965
Like how every souls game goes through two or three rounds of nerfs because they have no fucking idea how to balance a game. Look at dark souls 2. The fog forest with the lion guys? Launch ds2 had packs of enemies there and basilisk all over. Sotfs? Completely empty, because they realized it was just annoying so they nerfed it. Same thing with the area around smelter demon. You're allowed to have criticism. Look at faith in ds3, completely overpowered. Or the Icerind axe in er, the stomp was fucking disgustingly overpowered. They barely test these games.

>>720118281
Nightreign is basically the only reason why I'm giving this thing a try tbqh

Imagining a pvp game with Nintendo's garbage online you have to pay for not to mention it running at a whopping 30 fps makes me want to puke, yeah I wonder why there's no hype

I wasn't really interested in Nightreing cuz combat is only half of what makes From games good to me. I hope Duskbloods has a bit more focus on having great level design.

The trailer already looks pretty promising tho, plus it's directed by Miyazaki.

>>720130137
Add the slog of figthing the same enemy a thousand times because of reused assets. In other games you barely noticed but in this one you go "oh there he is, the same dragon but bigger/different shade of grey". Even if you don't pay attention to that it adds to your already bored brain and makes the whole thing seem like a chore.

>>720114228 (OP)
>What killed the hype?
You still sleeping

>>720130196
>implying I'm him
>implying you're not just trolling
Enjoy sucking miyazakis dick for elden ring 2 return to blighttown where every copy of the game comes with a guy who punches you in the dick every time you get hit.

>>720130137
>You absolutely cannot avoid having to go through the sludge that fills ER
Name one thing
>From definitely started losing the plot somewhere around DS3 when it comes to applying completely unreasonable difficulty imo
Your "o" is fucking stupid. Bloodborne was their first game since the KF era that wasn't too easy. Not that 3 was perfect, it was deeply flawed, but the difficulty was about right.

>>720130310
I still have never gotten a good answer as to why the random soldier mooks are still zombies. There's no undead curse, so what the fuck are they doing.

>>720129185
>dk
>goty candidate
are tendies really this delusional?

>>720114228 (OP)
I loved Elden Ring but the fact that this is their second multiplayer spinoff in a row combined with the sheer amount of reused assets is enough for me to not give a shit. Switch exclusivity is just the icing on the cake

>>720129840
>>720129841
>>720129905
You're a lying shit head who hasn't played MKW and DK Bananza. Kys and stick to your cheap steam and discord slop Redditors.

>>720130257
Other than DS2's overhaul, all the major balancing changes are made within a month or two after launch. And of course with a game this big some stuff is going to fall through the cracks. At least now it's promptly fixed, rather than being left broken forever like bed of chaos.
>Look at faith in ds3, completely overpowered
Faith was total dogshit in DS3.

>>720130487
You haven't played it. You don't get an opinion

>>720128882
>Because fighting games are objectively harder than Fromsoftware game
>>720129149
The fromsoftware issue isnt that its hard. Its that its completely the opposite of intuitive instinct.

In a fighting game, the faster player usually gets the combo chain off first and is likely to win. In fromsoft games if you are faster than the boss he is able to suddenly punish you and is never staggered by your faster attacks. Its not real combat its a turn based game pretending to be combat which is why its retarded. The faster player, the attacks on undefended positions should win the fight but it doesnt in fromsoft.

>>720130310
ER has ENORMOUSLY more variety than their previous games and every other 3D action game ever made, other than perhaps some long running MMOs with a dozen expansions

>>720130487
Yeah, let's just ignore the praise for it.

>>720130597
Yeah I haven't played them because they look fucking terrible and I'm not interested in the same fucking slop every console generation, Nintendo is just the kids version of call of duty just with faggy mascots.

>>720130440
Every side dungeon being a giant waste of time that gives you an ash that is worse than the one at the start of the game. Fighting main bosses as phantoms to pad out dungeons. Fighting the same boss you already fought three times but now you fight it again but three of them. Fighting an ulcerated tree spirit for the 17th time, but this time it's in a small area (again). Fighting the same boss you fought three of but now they have lightning. Fighting the same boss you already fought four times but now they repawn. Fighting invisible teleporting guys that can one shot you is just annoying.

It being a PVPVE game after another multiplayer asset flip slop game is a horrendous look for the company and brand. That alone kills any hype, as no fromsoft fan plays soulslikes for the fucking multiplayer ONLY. On top of that, the average soulslike fan is VEHEMENTLY anti-nintendo for some fucking reason. Like beyond simply being against nintendo’s anti-consumer decisions, they full on HATE nintendo’s games and think ill of anyone who has ever enjoyed them, so there’s that stigma attached to it too.

>>720130752
It's Nintendo, every single game they release gets praised by critics and journalists and the only people who buy their consoles are shit eating fanatics who will never utter anything remotely resembling a criticism of Nintendo. Sort of like (You)

>>720130752
>implying it didn' die off in less than 2 weeks
No need to ignore anything

>>720130763
So you're a jaded fuck who is shitting on something he hasn't played because he has a bias he's inherited from watching shitty anti Ecelebs and participating in communities with an agenda against them. You're a cuck who can't make decisions for himself.

>>720130729
And still, feels like you are fighting soldiers, dogs and dragons 90% of the time, because they are
a) humanoid in armor
b) four legged creatures
c) fucking dragons

Where is shit like Pus of Man, Hydras, fat woman bashing you with a bible, grass man with a whip, cripple demon, Alluh Akhbar undead, faggot werewolf that run away from torchs, etc.

>>720114421
TPBP+beat me to it

>>720130637
Can iron maidens still shoot through walls

>>720131014
It's Outselling E33 and Silksong.

>>720130257
Subhuman retard

>>720126920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YcEvpAafE

>>720114228 (OP)
>switch 2

>>720114228 (OP)
I hadn't even heard about this game until I saw your thread, OP.

I didn't bother with Nightreign or SoTE either. I don't know what From is up to these days.

>>720130804
But Sekiro was ok

>>720130804
>Nooooo you can't put the same enemy more times
Faggot

Can I get 1 singleplayer fromsoft game soon with a new setting

>>720131138
Oh my bad pressing l2 to do a 1500 damage stomp at level 12 that takes 13 fp and a quarter second to execute is flawless game design, of the same spirit as putting 11 asylum demon reskins in the same game.

>>720131545
There are literally 17 tree spirits in the game. People give monster hunter shit for having 3 rathalos variants, but 17 of the same boss isn't? Maybe they could just release a game that's all tree spirits and avatars, that would be peak game design you fucking cockmongler

>>720131581
NO! YOU GET DARK SLOP AGAIN, AND LIKE IT!


But for real that idea about Bloodborne 2 in some Inca/Mayan setting was dope. Also Urban Souls, picrel, but it seems Silent Hill F will fill that niche.

>>720114381
i know that this is bait and that youre a retarded discord tranny, but i genuinely do not understand why you retards cling to ds1, ds2, or des this hard.
t.actually played through the ds trilogy

for me it's

>>720131741
>Noooooo you can't have a boss that is hecking repeated throughout the game while your character changes and acquires new weapons
>People give monster hunter shit for having 3 rathalos variants
You mean the series based around rng loot drops where you fight the same bosses dozens of times?

You are nothing but a cocksucking faggot. You instantly diverted from "annoying" enemies that filtered your retarded ass to complaining about enemy repeats because this is a made up concern trolling fake ass critique to dogpile on the game while having more ground to stand on than actually addressing your lack of skills.

So what is the exact number of "allowed" repeats of content, since you seem to be a Monster Hunter fan? 10? 5? Would it be better if 3 Ulcerated Tree Spirits respawned and you had to farm a talisman or spell with 2% drop chance from them instead of a guaranteed reward? You are nothing but a cocksucking faggot and you are heavily projecting your lack of sincerity

You don't like Elden Ring because you hate the gameplay because you are brainless hack and slash tard rollspamming its way into getting stomped by a boss for the N-th time like you are DSP, and how many Ulcerated Tree Spirits exist has nothing to do with that. Elden Ring could have 1 of each enemies and people who hate it would still hate it because you are a secondary mad that Elden Ring is ever bit as close to its ARPG roots

There's no waste of time in dungeons or bosses because Spuls games have a fully horizontal progression where everything you unlock can be customized and fit into new builds. You being a faggot tourist that hates build crafting, experimenting with more weapons, PVP, PVE and level design to the point you dread fighting through the best invasion pvpve zones and get cool talismans and unique gear and crafting mats for powerful buffs/throwables only means Elden Ring is not made for you, not that it is flawed

>>720114421
not really, the gay pvpvpvlgbteqx killed the hype, at least nightreign can still be played solo

>>720130303
>multiplayer pvp
>great level design

>>720132786
I think it's a combination of both.

>>720114228 (OP)
Switch exclusive.

>>720132887
nah if it's a fromsoft singleplayer switch 2 exclusive, I'll buy a switch 2 just to play it. I'm not poor, the multiplayer only shit that killed my interest completely

>>720133325
yeah but a lot of gamers are poor.

>>720114381
B-but you can watch a boss do a cool combo for 5 minutes straight. That's what you want!

>>720115657
The back and forth with bosses is a big one for me. Later games made you too defensive.
In demons and dark 1, if you got hit you got a huge chunk of your HP taken because you got greedy or impatient and didn't watch the boss closely.
In elden ring, if you get hit for most of your BP, that's not your fault the first 50 times because bosses are unpredictable, their moves are unreactable and you need to know when the windups are done instead of reacting to their actual attacks. It's trial and error now.

>>720131082
>still feels
Nobody cares about how you feel. You are retarded and objectively wrong.

>>720133474
>Yo, you liked Ninja Gaiden Black and Devil May Cry right?
>"Yeah I did"
>You would LOVE this other game then, its exactly like those two except you're the random mook watching a giga-ninja with gun swords style on you with a wicked sick combo for 5 fucking minutes before you get a chance to hit him once.
Its basically just like playing Ninja Gaiden but you're the one getting beat up by a dude with unfair super powers while you're just a normal guy!

>>720131741
>People give monster hunter shit for having 3 rathalos variants,
Because the game was lacking variety. ER has around 50 kinds of bosses

>>720132629
Exactly. He's the kind of retard to spend 5 hours dying to the godskin due over and over again without even attempting to modify his approach, let alone even considering using their crippling weakness, even when he knows about it.

>>720133474
>>720133756
You only think you have to wait because you are cowardly and shit at games

>>720133742
Go fap to feet Miyazaki

>>720132629
>this level of ad hominim and projection
>implying that 25% of the bosses being a tree spirit, erdtree avatar, or crucible knight is a good thing
>implying that killing godrick, going up the elevator, and turning right to fight a crucible that has another fucking godrick in it is good game design
>implying that a single person ever used 80% of the ashes in any dungeon.
>implying there are powerful crafting items in fucking elden ring are you fucking serious Jesus christ lmao
6/10 I replied. Miyazaki still isn't going to acknowledge you

>>720134043
>samefagging
>defending godskin duo even existing
Boy I sure love fighting the same boss I already fought four times before this but at the same time and they respawn when you kill them. I beat it second try by spamming the weapon art from the peeler BTW.

>>720114228 (OP)
>PvP slop
Sorry, I just don't care.

>>720134359
If you beat is second try, why are you crying about it

>>720115789
>Clever level design and world building with fair enemy encounters.
All apply to Elden Ring.

>>720134223
>implying there are powerful crafting items in fucking elden ring
Self report, you retarded fag

>>720134734
>oh I wonder what's going to be in this sick looking boss arena in the end of this optional area at the end of this game
>lol enjoy your godskins
They were barely fun to fight the first time.

>>720134818
...like what? Throwing pots for status? Grease? Idk about you but I really looked forward to getting golden centipedes so I could make... rejuvenating boluses.

>>720114228 (OP)
>switch only
>pvp focus
>no more info is dropping
>it looked like bloodborne 2 at first and finding out that it's not effectively killed the hype
a tragedy in four acts

>>720133424
then do a side gig for your hobby

>>720119652
>designed the enemies to be annoying and unfun to play against
thats basic mobs in every fromsoft game, honestly. But elden ring basically makes the PC an anime protag. Bosses are fun cause you get to use all your OP nonsense weapon arts and spells.

>>720132629
Holy based

>>720137946
But its the exact opposite. Bosses move so fast that you can't do anything that takes longer than a jumping ugs swing

>>720138279
>Bosses move so fast that you can't do anything
Skill issue

>>720138131
>still samefagging

>>720114421
Stop doing this

>>720138376
Try and cast ancient dragon lightning strike against maliketh you cocksucking retard

>>720138279
then why was I getting charged r2s and guard counters in on my str run

>>720114381
Same. Got bored (and lost) in Erdtree. I switched to Nioh type of games and I enjoy combats a lot more.

>>720138547
Neither of these are slow.

>>720138524
stay mad faggot, I've literally hit maliketh with that incantation before. It's not impossible just because you aren't good enough to do it.

>>720114674
I don't think this is true for Elden Ring the difficulty was pretty fair. Shadow of the Erdtree is a different story though. Those fragments really fucked with the balance and I hope they never add a mechanic like that again.

>>720138626
they're slower than a jumping r2/l1.

>Snoytrannies absolutely fucking boiling they don't get to play Bloodborne 2
KWAB. I'm sure there's some movie game featuring a tranny and/or soi creature you can watch instead.

>>720114674
>Their games went from "it respects your intelligence! You can't just button mash!" to "the game is intentionally fucking annoying to play and enemies are designed to be obnoxious and tedious on purpose"
>They care more about making sure the player dies than they do about the player actually having fun exploring and wanting to see whats after the next boss.
but enough about silksong

>>720138638
Yeah I bet you did. The guy who is 40% immune to lightning you're just out here casting a 40 minute spell that would do 12 damage just to talk shit on the internet

>>720114421
I can't wait to play pvp only open world slop with reused assets in a console that barely runs Elden Ring at 15 fps with minimum settings.

>>720139242
If only it was Bloodborne 2...

>>720139478
>implying
You go from fighting guys with blue tabards to yellow to red. The dragons stay the same throughout. Instead of one tree sentinel you might fight two or a super one

>>720139060
Git gud

>>720114228 (OP)
Its multiplayer slop and releases for Switch lol, of course theres no hype. I dont think tendies even played much of Dark Souls, its not really the type of games their audience plays

Tendies don't want to play shit like that, they want their bing bing wahoo and not minecraft zelda and kart racer game

>>720139478
"Roguelite" tendencies and proc gen elements have been a complete disaster. I struggle to think of anything more boring. It's the opposite of entertainment.

Are people finally waking up to the idea that Souls games aren't fun and are a blight on the gaming community because they prop up the beliefs of a select few faggots that to showcase how "good" at video games and how "hardcore" they are by promoting the idea that all games need horrendously designed boss fights where every attack is a one-shot or chains into repeat staggers leading to death and you have to endure 2 minute of nonstop attacks just to get one swipe in before rinsing and repeating the whole process til the boss dies?
That the very franchise/genre that spawned memes like "You didn't beat the game" is dragging down gaming discourse for something as trivial as validation is a genuine cancer for the hobby?
Hell, who am I kidding?

>>720140231
Fromsoft went to Nintendo to make a game for them, Nintendo didn't seek them out. Everyone wants to partner with the dev who created this industry. In Japan, not owning and playing a Nintendo console is frowned on. From is aware of this.

>>720130597
Cry harder, Nintendo still hates you more than I ever could.

>>720140572
This isn't going to do anything but ruin their already damaged reputation. Japs don't care about souls.

>>720140572
I don't really care to know, anon, and besides, that wasnt what OP asked, which is why there is no hype for this game. And the 2 reasons for that I mentioned in my post. Total focus on multiplayer slop and a release on a console that doesnt care much for souls games

>>720140887
>This isn't going to do anything but ruin their already damaged reputation
Maybe with weird Sony loyalists, but I think everyone else will just kinda not care. Its not like it takes much to work up Playstation loyalists either, so no one really cares when they get upset.

>every From thread after PTDE is full of people complaining the devs lost their way as a thing veil for "why is my secret club no longer secret???"
Lol
Lmao even

Unpopular view here but I found Elden Ring completely fucking boring.

I loved BB and DeS, Sekiro was alright. Elden Ring was just stale. The lore was painfully boring.

>>720140514
The concept of git gud started since Pong.

>>720118583
>Deaths are meaningless in Dark Souls and Demon's Souls. Only Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring ACTUALLY punish Deaths by removing a substantial buff from the player
Okay, but what's the point of punishing newbies and rewarding the experienced? When Gradius punished a death by making you do the stage with 0 powerups it was to get more money from the player (in the arcade of course, home version kept this mechanic even though it was pointless.) But why would a non-80s arcade quarter muncher borrow from that playbook?
Fromsouls games seem like they exist just to make people who can't handle a normal action game feel like they "got gud" because there's always a non-obvious cheese to be had that lets them win where someone just trying to cold read the boss gets bodied due to the MK2 levels of bullshit in the AI.

>>720114228 (OP)
when they realised it was live service and that the bloodborne similarities were a bait and switch because the entire game is a mishmash cobble of different themes.

>>720116804
Most patches in ER only affect damage calculation vs other players now so at least they learned to differentiate solo and online.

>>720134119
This, just jump r2 with two ultra greatswords. All other builds are just gimping yourself.

>>720141092
You never played demons souls and dark souls 1 did you?

I like Fromsoft but I don't like tablet exclusive battle royales.
My friends who do like tablet exclusive battle royales don't like Fromsoft games.

>>720141112
The lore in elden ring is my favorite after bloodborne. There is an unreal amount of attention to detail in it. It's the bosses that I hated.

>>720142826
Doesn't it kinda defeat the purpose of the games being "hard" if the most valid strategy is just jumping like a retard and spamming power attacks?

>>720143056
Git gud (and by gud I mean use the most viable "strategy")

>>720114228 (OP)
>those clear elden ring mountain assets on the background

>>720116752
first off the entire playerbase isn't whiners on /v/.

second fromsoft has all the data on summoning and invasions. they know exactly how often the systems get used. if they have data that shows a sustained enough mp base why not make a mp focused game? clearly given nightreign's success that was the correct call.

>>720125714
normies thinking something is great is often bad since they have no standards for quality or art.

>>720143056
yes, that other anons a retard. If theres only one meta then its broken.

>>720114421
yep. that and being an extraction shooter without guns is a big no for me

>>720139478
If it's a 20min-1hour indie game where I fight a few soldiers, dogs and a dragon that's fine. If it's a fucking AAA game that costs an arm and a leg and all you have to show me is the same dragon over and over again, what's the point? "Oh but there is a super cool boss!" yep, after a long road of soldiers, dogs and dragons. Over and over. Dark Souls had only a bunch of dragons and each one was pretty different: hellkite, drakes, undead, gaping, Seath. A few dogs in Blightown and Lower Burg. Knights with different weapons/armor/formations that can really fuck you up if you don't pay attention. It was used sparingly with different flavours to a great effect. Everybody still remember their encounters. ER? I can't even use them as landmarks, there is so many and there are all similar.

>>720125159
based

>>720114772
>if you liked das you should have loved ER
????????
I liked that das wasn't open world filler trash?????

>>720144128
your money's not worth as much as you seem to think it is

>>720115374
Ds2 is most King's Field like of souls game. Ita sad they didn't go that way. I haven't played bb. But only souls games I actually like are ds, ds2 and sekiro.

>>720114228 (OP)
>pvp
souls games are only made worse by this feature