Thread 720161352

so uhh this is what 10th gen consoles are shaping out to be, according to rumors, documents/leaks from AMD and so on, what do (You) fags think?

Sony:
>keep the traditional home console aspect, probably the last on the market
>will offer a wide range of hardware options
>upcoming handheld codenamed "Canis" with a docked mode (the USB-C port supposedly has video output capabilities) that is supposed to be at ps5 performance (they recently added power save mode to ps5 kinda hinting at possible performance or compatibility with the handheld)
>PS65 codenamed "Orion", rumors hint at a Series S/X situation where they will offer different configurations, the weaker model will probably target PS4 pricing at launch in the $299-399 range, while the more expensive model might go up to $699
>also, picrel
that was to be expected really

Xbox:
>rumors about what's essentially an xbox pre-built that might supposedly have steam and so on
>hardware is essentially third-party and anyone can make an xbox handheld for instance, like the rog ally
whatever it will be it's kinda dumb for Xbox to keep doing the same mistake and trying to beat sony in a field where they dominate
traditionally console business meant that the hardware is sold at loss and then you make up for it with games and services, if xbox truly exists from the home console race one would expect a pretty expensive device at launch since they would want to make money off every unit
from the FTC leaks we were supposed to see an Xbox mid-gen refresh in 2026 but this is apparently off the table

source for the article/image
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2025/09/rumour-ps6-will-have-a-detachable-disc-drive-much-simpler-design

>>720161352 (OP)
>Detachable disk drive for only $999.99, no backwards compatibility tho.

>>720161534
it will be BC with ps4-ps5 and they also have an incresing selection of ps1-ps2-psp titles both in streaming and on the ps store
whether they will figure out ps3 emulation finally is an entirely different topic
they will never let you use your ps3 blu rays because they simply can get away with it

>>720161352 (OP)
Here's what I think about consoles.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VimLKqEcXRM

>>720161914
peculiar

>>720161352 (OP)
>(they recently added power save mode to ps5 kinda hinting at possible performance or compatibility with the handheld)
that was to stop the liquid metal cooling from frying the console to death

>>720161352 (OP)
If anything, the PS6 Orion will be $799 with an added $99 for the disc drive while the PS6 Canis will be $649 or $699. Next gen Xbox is either $1199 or $1399 with BC and no Windows Desktop while the OEMs will be expensive, use the same chip, but will have the Windows desktop but no BC.

It's better to just get a Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2 next gen. They'll be the cheapest gaming devices that are worth the bucks. Home consoles are dead, and Sony and Microsoft are about to lose handheld wars to Nintendo and Valve. Probably why they're also both going third party, kek.

We don't know yet. All of what you said might not materialize for one reason or another

>>720163760
steam and nintendo have no trophies. no point in playing their games

>>720163738
>things that were real in my head
whatever
>>720163760
>S6 Canis will be $649 or $699
nope, aside from the fact that it's a handheld so it could never be more expensive than a ps5, it's simply too much if all you got is ps4-ps5 BC and no psp/vita scenario where at least it had exclusive games and support from first and third party studios
they can't get away with a very overpriced system, the weaker option will be $499 at most because otherwise you can't claim to have a cheap entry level device for AAA gaming which is what consoles have been historically
now whether the current economic environment will impact this is another discussion
as for xbox, honestly everything about it so vague that I wouldn't be surprised if they actually came out with another real console generation before dipping out to pc forever, it's very interesting to see how that will play out because I bet both console and pc gamers will be attracted to it for different reasons
>simplicity and ease of use of a console (think deck-approved type of shit but for xbox on steam)
>pc capabilities with their whole microsoft suit integrated into the system
I see why would anyone would want to buy this
>lose handheld wars to Nintendo and Valve
the deck lost hard to the switch, period, it's not even a competitor
on the other hand a sony handheld has the option to play AAA multiplats that you simply wouldn't be able to play on the switch 2
>>720164525
yes, that's what "rumors" are for, but the next generation is literally on the horizon, studios usually get devkits 2 years prior so we might be around that before actual confirmed leaks start coming, this is just speculation for the most part but some things will not change like the upcoming handeld and whatever, the only doubt are the details/actual specs but that is not really interesting right now

>>720161352 (OP)
Will it have games? The past two have not had games. I consider that to be a desirable feature in a game console.

>>720161352 (OP)
>hardware is essentially third-party and anyone can make an xbox handheld for instance, like the rog ally
lol lmao

>if xbox truly exists from the home console race
Are we just ignoring that phil said there's another xbox console coming out in addition to branded devices?

>>720164790
>but the next generation is literally on the horizon,
It still feels like the PiS5 launched 6 months ago.

10th gen consoles?
More x86/ARM PCs but locked down same as every other fucking 'console' for the last decade.
your welcome

>>720164935
exclusives are too expensive to restrict yourself to one platform only, it's simply not feasible anymore
if 9th gen proved something is that people don't really care about exclusives and they will still buy your console even if it lacks in the exclusive department because there's just so much third party stuff to play and the main appeal of consoles has always been hassle-free cheap gaming
>>720165035
kek
>>720165476
I mean they might call it "console" still when in reality it isn't
it hasn't worked for three times in a row why would they try again if the main source of revenue is actually gamepass
>>720165494
it do be like that
>>720165521
as opposed to what? overpriced pc parts to play the same stuttering console games?
your welcome nigga

>>720164589
>steam and nintendo have no trophies
Good

>>720164790
>nope
Stop believing MLID's delusions. If you see your future as multiplatform while divesting in your gaming hardware, and increasing prices across the board, your next gen hardware be it home box or portable, will cost a lot of money for the full profit. Get over it.
>I bet both console and pc gamers will be attracted to it for different reasons
No one is spending $1200+ for a shitty Xbox.
>the deck lost hard to the switch, period
Can't lose something you're not competing against. Only Deckies and Tendies think they're in competition when Valve and Nintendo made it clear they're not competing with one another and are both in different markets. Low IQ gaming warriors are going to pick fights.
>on the other hand a sony handheld has the option to play AAA multiplats that you simply wouldn't be able to play on the switch 2
Switch 2 is the threshold, it's already getting current AAA games. This means nothing now. Switch 2 will get everything and then some like the Steam Deck 2. There is no reason to ever get another Sony or Microsoft products. Those faggots damaged gaming anyway.

My purchase of the PS6 is entirely dependant on how the console looks.

If I can play all my PS4/5 games and get this ugly abomination out of the living room day fucking 1 buy.

If it's also an ugly piece of shit ezskip.

>>720166587
>your next gen hardware be it home box or portable, will cost a lot of money for the full profit
sure
>No one is spending $1200+ for a shitty Xbox.
just like nobody was supposed to spend $700 for a console?
people will buy anything
>It's already getting current AAA games
I mean not really, aside from ports of 8th gen titles like yakuza 0 and cyberpunk that went exactly as you would expect I doubt it will run gta 6 for instance
so while it's getting the games that you simply couldn't run on a switch 1 there's only so much you can squeeze out of it
>There is no reason to ever get another Sony or Microsoft products
yet people still buy them, maybe there's no value for you but whatever
>>720166861
I anticipate a regular box like the ps4 if they will prioritize size and weight more than aesthetics which was hit or miss really, some people like it while some don't

>>720165035
kekaroo

>>720165494
no it doesn't dude it's been 5 years and it's time to grow the fuck up and accept time

>>720166951
>just like nobody was supposed to spend $700 for a console?
Nobody is spending that much for a console, they're just getting the PS5 Slim at a slower pace than the PS4 because it costs less. That could slow though due to the price increases.
>people will buy anything
Lenovo Legion Go 2 tells a different story. Even the PS3 proved this wrong along with the 2013 Xbone.
>I mean not really, aside from ports of 8th gen titles like yakuza 0 and cyberpunk that went exactly as you would expect I doubt it will run gta 6 for instance
It is though
>so while it's getting the games that you simply couldn't run on a switch 1 there's only so much you can squeeze out of it
Moore's Law is dead (not the Youtuber), anon
>yet people still buy them, maybe there's no value for you but whatever
For how long and no one is buying an Xbox, no one will buy Windows wearing an Xbox mask either despite calling itself "Xbox".

>>720167717
>Nobody is spending that much for a console
it's reportedly doing as well as anticipated, if not better, considering the price and all
they wouldn't release a product if there was no market for it
>Lenovo Legion Go 2 tells a different story
you are a comparing a literal who gaming device to an established brand with a massive userbase that has their libraries in their ecosystem already
>Even the PS3 proved this wrong
that was due to sony fuck it up on multiple levels, they learned their lesson in the next generation quite literally
>the 2013 Xbone
exactly because microsoft made some serious mistakes, meanwhile sony
>struck an exclusivity deal for cod (microsoft did the same for the 360 the gen before)
>made a cheaper console (xbox pushed the kinect with every unit, xbox 360 was also cheaper on launch)
xbox stood no chance and it went exactly as planned, they pulled a uno reverse card and it paid off

>>720168769
>it's reportedly doing as well as anticipated, if not better, considering the price and all
It's selling worse than the base PS5/Slim
>they wouldn't release a product if there was no market for it
They shouldn't have released it at all, why get a Pro when PC exists for powerfags.
>you are a comparing a literal who gaming device to an established brand with a massive userbase that has their libraries in their ecosystem already
That does not matter, the price is too high
>that was due to sony fuck it up on multiple levels, they learned their lesson in the next generation quite literally
All they did was make a budget PC and now they're going multiplatform because of it
>made a cheaper console
You're contradicting yourself

>>720161352 (OP)
>>will offer a wide range of hardware options
that's a bad thing, whatever that means

>>720161352 (OP)
I prefer detachable software

>>720166861
>he bought ps4
>he bought ps5
>pretends to have standards
Your purchase isn't based on shit. You will buy a PS6.

>>720170558
PS5/PS5 Pro is the best console on the market now, and its not even close.

>>720170417
>a device INTENDED for limited adoption for enthusiasts is selling worse than the base model
yeah no shit nigga, and the sky is blue
the ps4 pro was literally the same for early 4k tv adoption
>They shouldn't have released it at all
well anon I guess they are lucky that they don't have you calling the shots
>why get a Pro
because people want to keep console gaming experience while getting more out of their platform, simple as
>PC exists for powerfags.
then what
someone who can afford a good pc can easily afford a pro
>That does not matter
except it does
>All they did was make a budget PC and now they're going multiplatform because of it
and this is bad.... because?
line is going up
>You're contradicting yourself
how?
I was talking about the ps4 as opposed to the fuck up that is the ps3 that you pulled out
they made the strategic steps to ensure that they had a headstart into the 8th generation with a cheaper console (whereas the ps3 was more expensive at launch than the 360 and it was sold at a massive loss), better deals and an earlier launch date, all that contributed to outselling the xbox one 3:1

>>720170975
>the ps4 pro was literally the same for early 4k tv adoption
At far less of the price
>well anon I guess they are lucky that they don't have you calling the shots
Who asked for this?
>because people want to keep console gaming experience while getting more out of their platform, simple as
Don't you get enough out of the base PS5?
>someone who can afford a good pc can easily afford a pro
If you have a PC, why even get a Pro?
>except it does
All the failed consoles of the past tell a different story
>and this is bad.... because?
As with Xbox, if you have no exclusives, why would anyone buy a console?
>line is going up
Then they'll keep failing
>how?
You claim that PS4 beat Xbone because it was cheaper, the same strategy Microsoft used on Sony for the 360 to beat the PS3 for some time, but you then tell me people are willing to spend $800+ for consoles when we've already seen in the past, the cheapest device wins.

>>720171574
The thing is that PC parts have skyrocketed in price so the Pro isnt even horrible at 749. Thats still nothing on a comparable PC. Probably 2k+. Still has hacked and cheated all to piss multiplayer too.

>>720171748
>the Pro isnt even horrible at 749.
nearly a grand with the vertical stand and disk drive

>>720172117
PCs dont come with disc drives anyways either. Vertical stand is like 30 bucks. Still less than half the price of a comparable pc.

>>720171574
>At far less of the price
sure, then what
>Don't you get enough out of the base PS5?
it's most a compromise, if you buy a pro you don't have to pick between only resolution or fps in some instances
>If you have a PC, why even get a Pro?
people might care about timed exclusives and games that don't get ports to pc
some people just prefer couch/console gaming to generic AAA games and leave their pc to something that's more for enthusiast like racing/flight sims, fps games and multiplayer games or mods
>All the failed consoles of the past tell a different story
wrong
>As with Xbox, if you have no exclusives, why would anyone buy a console?
cheap, hassle-free user experience, that has always been the selling point with games being the cherry on top
it's not feasible to make exclusives when they cost $300 million to make as opposed to barely $10-20 million in the ps3 generation and so on
>Then they'll keep failing
failing... upwards?
>You claim that PS4 beat Xbone because it was cheaper
I didn't say because, I said it's a factor that contributed to it, people saw more value in the ps4 and went with that, it's not the only factor obviously but it's an important one
>but you then tell me people are willing to spend $800+ for consoles
you are mistaking the forest for the trees, it's literally a different example because the $800+ or whatever console is not the only offering, the main selling unit is the base ps5 and all games are targeting it with a handful getting pro enhancements
just like there's a specific market of enthusiasts for an expensive ps5 pro there will be people interested in whatever xbox comes up next, it can be for different reasons: brand loyalty, having a catalog of xbox games and so on
and in the meaintime they have all the third party off brand hardware available
>the cheapest device wins.
not by default anymore
many caught up on the fact that the very cheap consoles turn out to be more expensive in the long run due to subscriptions

>>720171748
>the Pro isnt even horrible at 749
For a console, yes, it is. Consoles never costed this much and when they did, they failed horribly.
>Still has hacked and cheated all to piss multiplayer too
Who gives a shit about multiplayer games. They're not even good or fun anymore.

>>720172372
>Consoles never costed this much
because consoles are sold at a loss by default
the ps3 was estimated at $800+ but it was meant for mass adoption
a ps5 pro is intended for very limited adoption and thus they would want to profit off every unit, making the high price justified

>>720172372
Yeah and guess what? The world is in a much different place than it was before. PC parts also didnt used to cost what a house does either.

A lot of people care. its what most people play.

>>720161352 (OP)
Everyone knew the PS6 wouldn’t have a disc drive from the PS5 Pro reveal. I bet Sony will sell physical games online only and they’ll become the new vinyl record.

>>720172571
I mean the launch models could have one attached from the fabric just like the og ps5
anyway it's pretty much irrelevant, that's a decent move if they want to keep the price as low as possible
>I bet Sony will sell physical games online only
sony has no control over what first and third party studio make as they are pretty much indipendent in the creative proccess because they have directors and shit
online only single player games is just a trend of this moment
besides this
>the new vinyl record.
is simply wrong, physical is shrinking sure but it's pretty fine where it's at right now if you play anything other than sportsball, call of duty or ubisoft/ea games

>>720172260
>sure, then what
They sell
>it's most a compromise, if you buy a pro you don't have to pick between only resolution or fps in some instances
Why bother with that, if you can play the game on a cheaper more affordable hardware?
>people might care about timed exclusives and games that don't get ports to pc
Like what?
>some people just prefer couch/console gaming to generic AAA games and leave their pc to something that's more for enthusiast like racing/flight sims, fps games and multiplayer games or mods
Couldn't you just dock your Switch 2 or Steam Deck and get the same experience?
>wrong
>what are all those failed consoles and handhelds that went up against Nintendo in the 80s and 90s
>what were the PS3 and Xbone
>cheap, hassle-free user experience, that has always been the selling point with games being the cherry on top
Why bother if the SteamOS offers more and better experiences?
>it's not feasible to make exclusives when they cost $300 million to make as opposed to barely $10-20 million in the ps3 generation and so on
That's their own fault, they should have followed the Nintendo strategy.
>failing... upwards?
Where are the games?
>I didn't say because, I said it's a factor that contributed to it, people saw more value in the ps4 and went with that, it's not the only factor obviously but it's an important one
While you're right that it's not the only factor, it was still a major factor.
>you are mistaking the forest for the trees, it's literally a different example because the $800+ or whatever console is not the only offering, the main selling unit is the base ps5 and all games are targeting it with a handful getting pro enhancements
How would this help the PS6 at the same price as the Pro?
>not by default anymore
>no exclusives
I wonder why?
>many caught up on the fact that the very cheap consoles turn out to be more expensive in the long run due to subscriptions
Why did Microsoft need subscriptions instead of just making AA games?

>>720172509
Sony doesn't intend to sell at a loss anymore.

>>720172517
A person could just wait for the Steam Deck 2 starting at $549

>>720174509
>Steam Deck 2 starting at $549
Given the legion go 2 was almost a grand and half I doubt the goydeck 2 is gonna be cheap.

>>720174590
custom Zen 6c and UDNA based, that's going to be just $549 as Valve actually can subsidize the cost and the base model is most likely sticking with an LCD screen with something like a 512GB of SSD and sticking with 16GB of RAM because the SteamOS can handle that without needing more like Sony and Microsoft need to. They could bump the RAM up to 24GB or something but if they don't need it, 16GB, they want a balance in performance and efficiency at 15W of battery.