Thread 720198048

Are 100 hours games too much for a video game?

>100 hours
>60-70 of them are copied verbatim from a 5 year old F2P mobile game
and they're uh, telling us this outright? like it's a selling point?

If your game is gonna take 100 hours, it better be one of the best of all time.

>>720198048 (OP)
If it's a good game, it'll feel like 30 or 40.

>>720198203
That doesn't sound like a good game.

>>720198048 (OP)
For some, yes, others, no. Its not an absolute thing.

>>720198048 (OP)
For grand JRPGs, i think 20-30 hours is the sweet spot for the main story. If i like the game, i'll put more hours into it doing post game stuff or perfecting my team

>>720198048 (OP)
Play it one hour a day for 100 days and your done. It really isn't that bad

or just play something that isn't 100 hours?

>>720198048 (OP)
Depends on the game.
A platformer or single player FPS? That's too long.
An RPG? It better be that length or more.

>>720198978
>It really isn't that bad
it is when it usually comes down to 10 hours of content and 90 hours of padding. i can't think of a single game that is over 30 hours long that wouldn't be instantly improved by cutting it down

>>720198048 (OP)
anything less than 60 hours for an rpg is shit and a waste of money. if you have a problem with a 100 hour game then you're just a brain dead game "journalist" and a retard. get a new hobby

>>720198048 (OP)
If it's a good 100 hours then no
>>720198749
Also this

>>720199035
because you're a retard

>>720199062
Basically every rpg made before 2010 is shit then

>>720198048 (OP)
I think SaGa has one of the best approaches to this issue

>choose a starting scenario
>get a complete JRPG experience in 10 to 20 hours
>if you desire more, you can choose a new scenario

It respects your time, zero bullshit filler.

>>720198048 (OP)
I think a good standard for an RPG is about 20-40 hours. That's not to say that games can't be longer, but the longer something goes on the more likely it's just going to be padding or filler content.

>>720198203
>You don't have to play pachinko to get story
That's a huge selling point. Imagine a greedy syndrome game with magic exedra or record. Even if the story is just okay that would be a huge selling point

>>720198203
I do respect the honesty there, at least.
This game, though it doesn't particularly interest me, is doing a bunch of things that I'd wish more games like it took.
>takes a gacha and completely reworks it to be its own game, new mechanics and all
>is actually priced down compared to other games in its series (only $50 compared to $60 but hey)
>doesn't hide its roots and is honest about what you're getting, primarily repurposed gacha content with a splash of the new stuff
I respect the game for what it does and that does make me more likely to at least give it a try in the future. For something so long, it sounds like a decent 'background' game to play between other games or when I don't want to play something action-heavy.

>>720199536
Any game that used to be a gacha can fuck off and die
They don't get to be greedy pieces of shit pushing a predatory business practice onto consumers and then turn around and pretend to be the good guys because they took out the gacha mechanics.
No, fuck you. They've already betrayed our trust. They don't get it back for nothing.

>>720199536
You sound like a cock sucking shill

>>720198048 (OP)
Every game I have ever played that has about 50 hours of content is typically filler, and the more hours that they brag about is the more filler.

FF7 is about 25 to 30 hours long, its just point to point to point.

FF7 Remakes are 60+ hours long and its filler filler and more filler.

Even as a kid I hated games that did this shit.

>>720199895
>he posts here for free

>>720198048 (OP)
>Playing one 100 hour good game bad
>Playing ten 10 hour bad games good

repeating the same mission hundreds of times for your 100 hour game is not a good game.
autismos cant detect it

>>720200047
A game's quality isn't in it playtime dumbass.

>>720200131
didn't say that dumbass.

>>720200047
>one 100 hour good game bad
doesnt exist.

>>720200148
You clearly implied that, or are you talking about a different 100 hour game unrelated to the 100 hour game we're currently talking about?

>>720200192
yeah. obviously. get it together

I have Octopath fatigue
Team Asano are hacks
Gacha is the ultimate evil in vidya
And you faggots are gonna gobble it up like the no-taste soulless FREAKS you are

>>720200047
>Playing a 100 hour game.
>The first 20 to 30 hours are good.
>The rest is shit.
>You never wanna replay it as a result.

>>720200374
I only really like their bravely games.

>finish the absolute slog that is Persona 5
>look at the playtime
>100 fucking hours
>decide to replay Persona 3 years later
>look at the playtime after finishing it
>almost 100 hours as well, but it didn't even feel more than 60

>>720198048 (OP)
I spent 100 hours in both previous games, time to do it again.

>>720198048 (OP)
If it's good the time doesn't matter.

>>720200813
I think games like this are best on a handheld and worst on PC where you don't have a sleep function.

>>720200374
this
octopath path games are AGGRESSIVELY mid

>>720199698
lol

>>720200047
>Doing one thing for 100 hours is less stimulating than doing 10 things for 10 hours each
Doesn't take a genius to understand

>>720202102
So is Bravely and 4HoL

>>720199536
Honestly agree. Don't understand the previous two replies. You remove the gacha poison from a game, and allow it to be preserved for the future? Sounds win-win, especially if there's something salvageable there.

People seem to have a weird societal pressure to finish games soon so they can immediately get into the conversation over it. People should just go at their own pace to finish a game instead of worrying about what other people think or how fast they finish it.

>>720203049
It's insulting that it was a gacha in the first place and now they want to turn around and sell it to the single player audience.
Personally, my standards are higher than that

>>720199235
The problem with SaGa is that each scenario is self contained and doesn't really explain much of the game world or the overarching plot, normalfags hate that, they hate having to replay games to "get" the story and they 90% play for "the story" as in why the anime protagonist and their harem of quirky misifts beat the big baddie, and SaGa's not like that, it''s one of those series where "the story" only really makes sense after 100+ hours and multiple playthroughs.

I don't get where this Steam time memento mori shit comes from, boomers can easily put 100-200 hours into TV in a month without even having any particular show they want to see

>>720203243
Well I'm for game preservation, and there are plenty of gacha that could be genuinely great if they removed the shit meant to psychologically torment you and make you gamble.

>>720198048 (OP)
No. Dad gamers get the rope.

>>720203257
You don't play SaGa for the story though, story is a bonus
The real meat of SaGa is the gameplay, it's a mechanically focused JRPG series first and foremost
It's one of the most "anti-normalfag" JRPG series out there in that sense

>>720203341
I would prefer if gacha games got buried and forgotten, they aren't worthy of preserving.
Any artistic merit was thrown out the window the moment they introduced gacha mechanics.
They sold their soul.

>>720198048 (OP)
>this game takes 100 hours to finish
OH MA GAD THINK ABOUT MUH LIFE XPECTANSY

>>720203608
Well I disagree. I do not think games should be killed. Frankly, all gacha games should eventually get a release like this, once they're sunset. It's the best outcome.

>>720203550
You're not wrong, the gameplay is the main appeal, the "story" in those games is mostly there to contextualize the content in terms of gameplay and it's usually not the main attraction outside of some entries like SaGa Frontier 2.
But in general it's actually fairly well written and largely more interesting than other RPGs since it's built as a puzzle for the player to solve, which is another thing normalfag despise, it's a shame since it's one of the few RPGs out there that strive to contextualize gameplay as narrative on top of having cool worlds and characters.

So how many long ass JRPGs have you actially finished and why are you here shitposting instead of completing them?

Persona 5 Royal
Main Story 101 Hours

Shujinkou
Main Story 93½ Hours

Labyrinth of Galleria: The Moon Society
Main Story 86 Hours

Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of the Forgotten Past
Main Story 78 hours

The Last Remnant
Main Story 63 Hours

Tales of Vesperia
Main Story 50 hours

The Legend of Heroes: Trails through Daybreak
Main Story 55½ hours

Octopath Traveler II
Main Story 60 Hours

Suikoden III
Main Story 62 Hours

>>720198048 (OP)
No. I just finished Xenoblade Chronicles 3 after 140 hours and was disappointed it wasn't longer, unironically. If you can't dedicate 100 hours in an RPG, you should just play mobas because you're a goddamn woman.

>>720203928
Sweet I can't wait to play as [generic bland character]

>>720203797
Shouldn't you put together all the trails games?
Took me like half a year just to play through all of them up to the end of cold steel IV

>>720199698
Holy shit you sound like a faggot.

>>720204075
I went through all them available on Playstation just this past year (Zero/Azure, Cold Steel I-IV, Reverie, Daybreak 1&2) and it was well over 500 hours total. One of the best gaming experiences I've ever had. I feel for those who can't focus on one thing at a time.

>>720204075
I only 1 game from a series because I didn't want to sit all day making a 4chan post but but if you count it Legend of heroes, Persona and Xenoblade as a series in general are all pretty damn long.

>>720204184
What's a matter widdle timmy? Did I insult your gacha overlords? Maybe if you had some self awareness you wouldn't be addicted to gacha.

I can't play in obscure jrpg anymore.

>dudeeee let's add child level dialogues and ssllooowwww gameplay

>>720198048 (OP)
depends on the game and how long you are expected to be spending that time in fewer sittings. i have 400 hours in noita and had to uninstall it because i was not feeling time progress, i just wanted to keep playing. there are 10 hour games that feel agonizing to get to the end. not all games are equal. i will say that MOST games are overstaying their welcome around the 20 hour mark. most games will have given me everything they have to offer in that time period and do not offer any new variations that make it worth continuing the journey. the open world "hundreds of hours of content!" meme as a selling point for games was a massive mistake that set games as a whole back, especially when combined with shit like detective vision that speeds through content without any thought required from the player. you as a player should be taking time to think about your actions and what is required to do next. you should be taking time THINKING about the experience you are going through. instead, devs put quest markers and detective vision and constant hints and give the player the ability to speed through content mindlessly while still trying to put "hundreds of hours" of it in, which means you are shoving your game full of meaningless filler slop because you don't think players are smart enough to actually engage with the systems put forth.

>>720198048 (OP)
>AIshit and chatgpt shit becomes popular
>suddenly out of nowhere jrpg start being longer on average

>>720204587
with how bland and generic Octopath already is they really could have AI write everything and no one would notice

>>720203049
People generally say the story in 0 is better than 1 and 2 and the gameplay is a step up from them too

>Pay $50
>Get 100hrs of game

What's the problem with getting your moneys worth? Lots of these games have like a decade apart from getting a next entry so it's npt lile you even need to rush it to keep up.

>>720198048 (OP)
>Booohooo 100 hours bad
I want normalfags tourists to stay away from video games.

>>720204075
>>720204345

>>720203608
Low IQ post. You're basically the exact same kind of mentally ill as some Twitter freaks refusing to play that new Harry Potter game because of JK Rowling

>>720204712
Quality of the game.
Are you sure this game will not bore you halfway through? How is the story and characters? Is the gameplay engaging enough?
Sometimes you wish the game would just end

I hope DFFOO gets the same treatment

>>720204869
A 100 hour game can be good and a 20 hour game can be shit. What a stupid and reductive post you just made. Length has nothing to do with engagement

>>720203797
These are the longest playtime JRPGs that I had on steam
These aren't 100% completed btw just finishing the story normally

>>720204858
Enjoy your psychologically manipulative gacha games anon
You're not addicted, you can quit any time
Did you get your dailies in yet?

>>720198048 (OP)
Depends, usually yes since video games have terrible writing and shitty recycled plots.

>>720205106
Sounds like you're projecting

>Pick up new epic Jrpg to play throughout the year
>It's only 30 hours long

They can't keep getting away with this shit, fuck these short ass games.

yeah most games wear out their welcome and become a slog. I lose patience because the loop is never good enough for even 20+ hours games. I've played like every type of game and most are just chore or tedium simulators with voice actors yapping the entire time

>>720204025
Not everyone shares your complete lack of standards and can enjoy slop for hundreds of hours.

>>720198203
I don't know anyone who played that garbage mobile game

>>720199698
>greedy pieces of shit pushing a predatory business practice onto consumers and then turn around and pretend to be the good guys because they took out the gacha mechanics
It's okay when EA does it

>>720198048 (OP)
Funny they say "compared to the prequel" when ero is a prequel to the other two games.

>>720203608
>>720203243
This smells of a stinky gachafag falseflagging
I do not believe there is a person alive in this world who genuinely believes what you're saying

>>720198048 (OP)
No. Stop pushing for 20h fotm slop.

>>720204669
That's because the narrative is focused on an actual singular MC (self-insert in OT0, any of your rollable units in CotC but they're still effectively blank slate MCs in the process) with the side characters being more like the real MCs for the corresponding arcs.
Master of ____ arcs were decent.
Bestower of ____ arcs became too anime.
Side Solistia is a wreck.
Master of and Bestower of arcs are going to be in OT0 since they're the entire Orsterra arc.
Gameplay is 4 frontline + 4 backline mechanics along with no-subclass limitations to force you to build good team compositions with what you have (which requires rolling for meta) with the huge roster of characters to select from.

>>720198048 (OP)
give me bloat
bloat for the bloat god

>>720198048 (OP)
Why is it that 100 hour JRPGs get lambasted for being too long yet Western RPGs don't get the same criticism?

>Witcher, Mass Effect, Elders Scrolls, Fallout
Woah awesome long RPG games you can get immersed in

>Xenoblade
100 hours??? I don't have time for that. More games should be 25-30 hours!

>>720198048 (OP)
I generally refuse to play games that are longer than 20 hours.
Zero games have more than 20 hours of good ideas.

>>720198203
Quite a lot of fans of the series didn't play the gacha, so having understanding of the Orsterran CotC arcs helps them with the lore and world-building.

>>720203928
>no Rinyuu, Elrica, Sazantos, or Tatloch
Kinda spoiling the story, there.

>>720209641
Mass Effect 1 doesn't have more than 30 hours of shit to do.

>>720203928
This is outdated. Ludo's the merchant on the top row, I forget the name of the leftmost warrior, but the entire top row and that warrior got their art revealed a few days ago with parts of their kits shown too.

>>720199062
Subhuman opinion. RPGs are supposed to be replayable so most of them would be improved if they were shorter. Honestly I've enjoyed more oneshots in tabletop than I've enjoyed overly long campaigns. Anything that stretches out for too long ends up feeling like a soap opera

>>720198048 (OP)
pictured here is a games journalist going
>I wish I played video games
on his deathbed
(it is also possible that he wishes that he didn't have to play video games for his profession, but that is a little bit more advanced reasoning)

>>720209641
Xenoblade are 10 hour games stretched to 100+ hours with tons of worthless filler. If any series needs to learn to curb its self-indulgence, it's that one.

>>720198048 (OP)
Depend
100hr on monster hunter is to less
100hr on a jrpgshit is way to fucking much

>>720209278
No, I genuinely fucking hate gacha
It stands against everything good about video games
It's sad that enlightened individuals such as myself appear to be in the minority
You let greedy companies spit in your face and then ask for more

>>720209278
Yeah you get his ass for having bare minimum standards.

>>720198048 (OP)
Games being too long only matters to people that need to beat video games. If you play 50 hours of a 100 hour game and still have fun then it was worth it.

>>720198048 (OP)
I long for 20-40 hours long games with enough content/modes/incentived to invite you to spend another 60 hours if you want.

>>720198978
>Play it one hour a day for 100 days
I lose interest after 2 or 3 weeks. Thats why I always try to marathon the first 20 hours through a weekend

7 hours of interactive story aka gameplay progressing the story
3 hours of grinding for postgame and secret content
1 hours of cutscenes

Thats the ideal

>>720198048 (OP)
>confront my mortality
If a small game is making you question how much time you have left you didn't spend it doing what you liked in the first place.