Thread 720261859

Undertale is THE video game I think about when I think about where everything has gone so fucking wrong with video games. It is a game that is more gimmick than it is substance. It is a game that is all about narrative and not enough about challenge.

As an RPG, it is shallow, the maps suck and are often simple corridors, the characters are literal faggots that inspire the most cringe /holds up spork types of ""people."" Earthbound moggs the FUCK out of Undertale as an RPG, even though it's 2 decades older and forced to operate on much more limited tech. Undertale is an indie game, and not forced under the same deadlines and pressure. The fact that it falls flat on story and mechanics as an RPG despite having every advantage is disgusting. RPGs are one of the few genres where rich story can be compatible with gameplay without interrupting the experience! And it blows!

The bullet hell segments are trash. Completely juvenile and simplistic. If you want to play a bullet hell with challenge and depth, you play 2chu. You play Ikaruga. Undertale offers absolutely nothing for the genre.

All Undertale did was take two respected genres, water them down, and then mashed them together! And the fans think it's fine just because it's a fusion. As if fusion alone has any fucking value! No. It's not fine to fuse two pieces of shit. The result is still going to be SHIT. It can only have value when it takes the BEST of both worlds, which it fails to do.

And the worst part of it all? It worked! People ate that shit up! I fucking HATE YOU, UNDERTALE FANS. YOU ARE NOT GAMERS. YOU ARE DISGRACEFUL LOONEY TROON NIGGERS WITH NO FUCKING TASTESSS.

FUCK YOU.
FUCK YOU.
FUCK YOU.
FFFFFUUUCK YOU!!!!

>>720261859 (OP)
silence you loony niglet

>>720262040
Shut the fuck up. It's a bad game, and you all know it.

didn't read

>>720262115
I've got a bone to pick with you gayboy

>>720262219
I wish you would have picked a better game to play.

idk the bullet hell is fun every now and then
tody set out to tell his little story and did so
it's hard carried by it's music and the fact there's a billion dialogues for very specific things so people can spend years just talking about those things i guess
I think it's whatever kinda lame to replay

>>720261859 (OP)
Uhh… okay

>UNDERTALE
>DELTARUNE
>UNRELATED
think the third game's gonna be bad news for fans of continuity

>>720263648
It's bad news for anyone not on antipsychotics.

The game’s good, actually. Its quality is not proportionate to its popularity (nothing ever is), but it’s good.

>>720261859 (OP)
>It is a game that is all about narrative and not enough about challenge.
Wow, how dare an RPG game focuses on narrative
>As an RPG, it is shallow, the maps suck and are often simple corridors,
Nothing wrong with that. Makes it clear where to go to progress
>Earthbound moggs the FUCK out of Undertale as an RPG
Yeah, but that doesn't make it a better game
>The fact that it falls flat on story and mechanics as an RPG despite having every advantage is disgusting.
It's not, both the gameplay and the story are solid
>The bullet hell segments are trash. Completely juvenile and simplistic. If you want to play a bullet hell with challenge and depth, you play 2chu. You play Ikaruga. Undertale offers absolutely nothing for the genre.
Because Undertale was never meant to be something like those games, retard.
It borrows aspects from Touhou, but Undertale is still its own thing
>All Undertale did was take two respected genres, water them down, and then mashed them together! And the fans think it's fine just because it's a fusion.
No because the idea AND executions are great.
Making each boss unique by having different attacks and sometimes their own battle mechanics made them quite memorable.
>And the worst part of it all? It worked!
Yeah because it's a good game.

>>720264704
The COPE world champion is here! Lets dissect your worthless post like I dissected your worthless game!

>Wow, how dare an RPG game focuses on narrative
A good RPG has complex level design, great( not cringe) characters, inventory and battle mechanics that force a player to strategize and be resourceful. When you drop what adds real depth and challenge, you're simple making a movie game. Not a video game that pushes the players and genres limits. Like video games should be doing or you may as well not make that piece of shit game to begin with.

>Nothing wrong with that. Makes it clear where to go to progress
Absolutely everything wrong with that. You don't need to make everything a corridor to give clear directives and direction. If you do, you are actually a fucking retarded nigger. And you shouldn't be playing games, you should be picking cotton.

>Yeah, but that doesn't make it a better game
Yeah, it does. Earthbound pushed its limits, aimed to force players to think more critically about their next moves. It STRIVES as a video game compared to Undertale.

>It's not, both the gameplay and the story are solid
They are both shit! The gameplay is nothing special, its a fusion of the weakest elements of different genres. It doesn't strive to do anything but push its DOGSHIT story along.

>Because Undertale was never meant to be something like those games, retard.
It borrows aspects from Touhou, but Undertale is still its own thing
There is no way you are gonna sit here and argue that Undertale WOULDN'T have benefitted from better bullet hell segments, from better RPG mechanics that would add more replay value, complexity and strategy. It approaches each genre like it is babbys first. Great for babies! Not for gamers.

>No because the idea AND executions are great.
It could be argued the idea was good, but the execution? No fucking way.

>Yeah because it's a good game.
It's SHIT. Purposeful minimalism is just a developers excuse to be lazier.

>>720265548
>The COPE world champion is here!
that’s you buddy
Undertale superseded Earthbound’s legacy and rightfully so, it might as well be Mother 4.

>"OOOUUUHHH DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE ENDING WHERE YOU DONT KILL THE CRINGE FEMCEL???? WOW ISNT THIS SO EMOTIONAL?! SUCH REPLAY VALUE!!!!"
-That's every choice in the game, essentially, and Undertale fans thinks this is a formula for a good game when it's slapped onto bare bones game mechanics.

>>720265548
I’m giving this anon the win on this one out of pure spite, it’s admirable his level of condemnation. The finesse and caliber of the way he articulates himself bolsters his case compared to the lamer who replied with a One Piece reaction image.

Toby Fox thought to himself one day "What if not playing the game WAS the game play??" And you know what? It was an awful idea. It forced him to make the real part of the game, the battle mechanics, completely unfun and bare bones so that you are tempted to see what happens when you don't kill.

By the way, I literally never played this game. I'm not a cuck, I'm Chad, I'm right about this shitheap game, and I'm the fucking King, baby.


Blow it out your ass.

This is obvious shit I'm on. 20 years ago no one would have fuckin' blinked. They would have just said "Yeah, we all fuckin' know that. Gameplay is supposed to be the point of games." But now here I am spitting basic facts and people look at me like I'm Morpheus or the fucking devil. I rip my way out of the matrix in front of you to risk my life in delivering esoteric knowledge, or so you think.

>>720261859 (OP)
This is why I only really got excited during the Sans fight and Undyne fight in Undertale and Roaring Knight fight in Deltarune. The rest of the game bores me.

Even the most hardcore fans of undertale and deltarune agree even if they don't say so. Why else do you think they make their fangames damn near impossible?

>>720265548
>A good RPG has [made up arbitrary requirements]
I wasn't arguing that Undertale is a good RPG, just that there was nothing wrong with having game's map being corridors

>Absolutely everything wrong with that. You don't need to make everything a corridor to give clear directives and direction. If you do, you are actually a fucking retarded nigger. And you shouldn't be playing games, you should be picking cotton.
Okay but what's wrong with corridor maps? You haven't explained WHY it's wrong, just sperging out and namecalling

>Yeah, it does. Earthbound pushed its limits
The only limit Earthbound pushed are the players' patience because of how much of a slog the game is

>aimed to force players to think more critically about their next moves.
Not really, choosing a specific PK for certain enemies as their weaknesses is not something I would call "thinking critically". Might as well call playing rock paper scissors (but knowing opponent's hand) critical thinking.
And besides, you could always spam rockets and PSI Rocken on enemies.
Plus, the rolling HP Meter gives you much more leverage than other JRPGs do

>They are both shit! The gameplay is nothing special, its a fusion of the weakest elements of different genres.
And why gameplay being a fusion of two things is a bad thing?

>DOGSHIT story along.
And why is the story bad?

>There is no way you are gonna sit here and argue that Undertale WOULDN'T have benefitted from better bullet hell segments, from better RPG mechanics that would add more replay value, complexity and strategy.
I mean sure, but that's not what were you arguing.

>It could be argued the idea was good, but the execution? No fucking way.
And what's wrong with the execution?


So far, most of your arguments boils down
>It's just bad, OKAY?

>>720267334
>I wasn't arguing that Undertale is a good RPG
It is not a good ANYTHING, and that would be a stupid position for you to take. You know intuitively it is impossible to defend.

>Okay but what's wrong with corridor maps?
Have we really come to this? DEFENDING the corridor? The corridor is not a "level" it's a transition at best. A fucking psychward at worst. Guess what undertale is? HINT: The only thing it transitions is its fans!

-Limit Exploration: They remove the sense of discovery, wonder, and freedom that comes from getting lost in a large, interconnected world.

-Reduce Gameplay Depth: They eliminate the need for navigation skills, map-making, and resource management associated with traversing dangerous, complex terrain.

-Feel Artificial and Lazy: They can feel like a cheap way to funnel the player from one story beat to the next without putting in the work to design a believable, open space.

And compared to fucking Undertale? The rolling HP is amazing, the variety of spells and items makes it more repayable, etc. Yeah! Earthbound IS limited, it DOES have terrible issues to be exploited, however... It's an old as fuck game! Which is why modern ones should be better! Why isn't it better? There is more fucking soul in one conversation in earthbound with your dad than there is in the ENTIRE GAME of Undertale! There is more RPG depth to earthbound!

>And why gameplay being a fusion of two things is a bad thing?
Are you not even listening to me, the King? I think a fusion game can be an AWESOME idea.. When it fuses the BEST ELEMENTS, and creates something not only new, but SUBSTAINTIAL. Not simply takes the most basic formulas and calls it a day!

>And why is the story bad?
I never paid attention to it. The moment you see it's tranny slop you shouldn't. Nothing is more humiliating than actually knowing the plot for Undertale. Faggot.

>And what's wrong with the execution?
It's not executing the players playing it. I'm talking guillotines!

You "People" don't deserve to be here.

>>720268331
>Have we really come to this? DEFENDING the corridor? The corridor is not a "level" it's a transition at best.
And? It makes the game pretty straightforward and very easy to know on how to progress
Not every game has have padding and filler that ruins the pacing because of muh exploration, otherwise play something like Breath of Fire

>And compared to fucking Undertale? The rolling HP is amazing, the variety of spells and items makes it more repayable, etc.
Replayable how? Just because you used different PK/PSI attacks to finish the fight slightly quicker?
Undertale is more replayable because it actually has different outcomes wether you spare or kill monsters. And there's a whole route that's centered on killing them

>Are you not even listening to me, the King?
More like the faggot king.

>I think a fusion game can be an AWESOME idea.. When it fuses the BEST ELEMENTS, and creates something not only new, but SUBSTAINTIAL. Not simply takes the most basic formulas and calls it a day!
Okay what's wrong with using basic formulas for gameplay then?

>>And why is the story bad?
>I never paid attention to it.
Welp, then I'm done arguing with you, since it's pretty clear you were just talking out of your ass and couldn't explain how the gameplay of Undertale is bad

Anyway, point on the action figure where Toby Fox has touched you

>>720269741
>And? It makes the game pretty straightforward and very easy to know on how to progress
And a children's book is easier to read and more straightforward than Dostoyevsky. Guess what? You can appreciate a children's story but you should never compare it to a REAL ASS BOOK. Same with this piece fo shit. Except you can't even appreciate it in its simplicity because its saturated in tranny SLIME.

>Undertale is more replayable because it actually has different outcomes wether you spare or kill monsters.
See >>720266213

Your entire argument is "It's okay if its shallow! It's okay if its cringe! It's okay if its water down and bare bones! .. Because I liked it!"

Undertale didn't even do a mercy mechanic right, and the mercy mechanic is supposedly what makes this game "brilliant." Pokémon did that with the catching system 20 years earlier, bringing them strategically to the brink and then copping them for yourself. Now THAT was brilliant! Undertale wasn't even the first RPG to do this, it just did it the shittiest. If you can even call it a mercy mechanic. More like a passive little bitch mechanic. Mercy is a choice made from a position of strength.

>>720261859 (OP)
Undertale is the best game because it made you so mad.

Notice how 0 Undertale fans are able to explain why the game is actually a good game. They just say it is because of the unique EXPERIEEENCCCEEE!!!

Notice how OP is a faggot

>>720266213
>posts the one (1) single main character out of the entire main cast that you can't actually kill
is this just a very elaborate bait?

>>720264197
Undertale fans are more likely to force a 4chan user to take antipsychotics than to be on antipsychotics.

>>720273183
Technically over 10 years if you count the demo, but people probably don't remember that.

>>720266914
Why is Duke wearing nail polish? What the fuck?

The game was fun for me but I finished it only cause I don't like leaving stuff unfinished.
The reddit humour started to get really grating even before that faggot nigger papyrus showed up

>>720261859 (OP)
its a kusoge with mentally ill fanbase, nothing more

>filtered by a baby pixel game
lol

>>720261859 (OP)
It's a story game. Complaining that it isn't difficult is like complaining that turning the pages of a book doesn't require physical strength. The RPG and shmup elements are for texture and ludonarrative consonance.

You should probably either spend some time familiarizing yourself with how narratives work in general and why people like books and movies etc or, conversely, recognize that you personally don't care about narrative and that makes you different from the majority of people.

>>720268331
This post is bad. It's tranny slop so I won't be reading it.

>>720270840
>Your entire argument is "It's okay if its shallow! It's okay if its cringe! It's okay if its water down and bare bones! .. Because I liked it!"

Lil bro your arguement is saying you can't read but people are stupid for liking these 'book' things because they're just paper.

Like, I get it - it acutally uses colors and tells a couple jokes, so you're scared if you read even a single word it will instantly turn you gay and gape your asshole, that's a totally justified fear, but when a lot of people are saying they liked a thing, and you don't understand why, it usually has to do with the parts you refuse to look at.

>>720274024
>ITS ABOUT THE STORRYYYY
Which is GARBAGE. The characters are GARBAGE. The plot is GARBAGE. Is it a good story? No. Is it a good game? No. What is it? GARBAGE.

You story>>>gameplay fags are what's wrong with gaming. Thinking story is enough to make a game good is the ultimate casual's take. Even RPGs shouldn’t ever prioritize or rely on story, they should instead rely on the mechanics, the strategy, the level and puzzle design, etc. to be good.

Die.
You must die.

>>720274552
I'll get around to it, give me 60 years or so. You should probably relax if you want to see it happen though, all this impotent seething about other people liking things can't be good for your heart.

OP was raped.

>>720274672
Do you see him? Do you see how fucking ENRAGED and ANGRY he is? You want to know WHY he got like this, WHO did this to him? You. Casuals like YOU. This is how we feel about YOU, anon. ALL OF US.

AND WE COULDN'T BE MORE JUSTIFIED.

>>720274827
Who is we?

>>720261859 (OP)
>Undertale is THE video game I think about when I think about where everything has gone so fucking wrong with video games
You are seriously underage.

>>720274907
My fucking Kingdom. I am the King of gamers AND WE ARE PISSED THE FUCK OFF. THAT'S THE ROYAL "WE," YOU GOD DAMN PEASANT!!!

>>720274719
I'm pretty sure OP's bipolar or something and in the middle of a manic episode. Hard to achieve cringe of this level otherwise.

>>720274957
I'm underaged?? You fucking NIGGER. You literal BABBY. How many times have you even put a quarter into an arcade machine? 0!!! You weren't there! You are only here BECAUSE OF ME. THIS IS THE HOUSE I BUILT. EVERY QUARTER INTO THE MACHINE WAS A BRICK LAID.

That's right, you stupid mother fucker!
You can only play games right now BECASUSE OF ME. Every quarter I put into an arcade machine was a brick laid. I did that. Back when no one else even knew what gaming was. I was there laying the foundation.

If you didn't put your quarter into a machine, you didn't help build this house.
You're just squatting in it.

>>720274978
>THE RAPED "WE"
FTFY

Also pretty amusingly is being around long enough to know Undertale was popular here and that earthbound forum before the rest of the internet.

>>720275120
You ever load a game from a magnetic tape? I did.
Do you know what CGA emulated on a Hercules looks like?
Do you know how to make 610k of conventional memory free?
What ISA port stands for?

>>720266213
I want to stomp this dumb bitch into a yellow puddle

I wonder what they're gonna do for the anniversary in five days

>>720275205
It's even more amusing being around for even longer to know it was only Tumblr invaders who were circlejerking themselves about their efriend's game and that the actual long-standing /v/ userbase hated furshit and started shitting on UT the instant they got a whiff of it

>>720278062
Like this dude.
He genuinely has no idea.

>>720261859 (OP)
Go back to border pedro

>>720278062
you will never be a somethingawful goon but just like them you will never be a woman, now join lowtax