Thread 720266368

Was adding blood elves to the horde a mistake?

the Draenei retcon was worse

>>720266368 (OP)
Possibly but whatever problems this posed pales in comparison to all the other lore butchering done to the warcraft franchise during the 22 long years of WoW's shameful history.

>>720266505
The Draenei retcon is the best thing that has ever happened, not just in gaming, but in human history.

>only in the Horde to piggyback their way to Outland and Kael'thas now the Dark Portal is open again
>Thrall literally only lets them in because they confirm the Mag'har still exist
>the Night Elves decide after thousands of years of not giving a shit that now is the perfect time to track the High Elves down and try to ruin their lives, so there's a convenient excuse why the Blood Elves don't rejoin the Alliance
>entire Blood Elf addiction plot is wrapped up with Sunwell
>they proceed to do nothing of any importance for the Horde until MoP, when Lor'themar lets Garrosh push him around and treat his people like expendable fodder until even WoW's writing has to admit the only reasonable action would be to rejoin the Alliance
>they don't because the narrative can't support huge faction changes like that so Blood Elves stay the Horde bitch race until SoO
>have done basically nothing else since

>>720266368 (OP)
The original Horde - Alliance split was all wrong. It should've been:

HORDE / KALIMDOR
>Orcs
>Trolls
>Tauren
>Night Elves

ALLIANCE / EASTERN KINGDOMS
>Humans
>High Elves
>Dwarves
>Gnomes

Undead should never have been a playable faction, and if it had to be, it should've been its own third faction.

>>720267897
>Night Elves in the same faction as the alien invaders who drank demon blood to kill Cenarius
This was and always will be stupid. They only begrudingly helped both factions because Archimonde was about to destroy the world but in the aftermath one side was clearly worse than the other.

>>720266368 (OP)
It was a genius move, there are millions of players who would have never considered Horde before they were added

>>720267897
Night Elves should have just been a major threat across Kalimdor for The Horde, similar to the role that the Undead could play for The Alliance. Neither race should have been playable in vanilla, maybe later on. Give Horde Goblins in vanilla so they have a Gnome equivalent.

>>720266368 (OP)
Yes.

Exotic multicolored skin race females belong to human male fighters/paladins.

>>720266368 (OP)
The reason was stupid, but it could be worse.
Lor'themar gets credit for being the only faction leader that hasn't been killed yet while still being likeable.

>>720267897
Night Elves being on the Horde is even more retarded than the Blood Elves. Ideally Night Elves would have stayed independent or better yet been the leaders of a third druidic based faction.

>>720268368
>US/EU: Monster guys are cool
>Asia: I CANT COOM

how come blood elves were written to be much more successful than night elves?

>>720270448
they got cucked harder by the scourge. Arthus literally raped them all and ultra cucked Kael.

>>720270448
>Sylvanas and Forsaken had to save them from Dar'khan and the Scourge
>M'uru and Naaru had to save them from their own whiny victim complex with the Light
>Horde, Alliance and Sha'tar had to save them from Kael'thas and the Legion
>Velen had to reignite the Sunwell for them

That's just TBC

>>720268368
>>720268873
I've heard the same effect for stuff like LoL, asia they only want the pretty human characters, west just wants the big goofy monsters and tiny gremlins

>>720266505
>>720267401
They could've just called them redeemed eredar or something and there would have been no difference.

>>720266368 (OP)
Adding High Elves to the Alliance from day 1 was a no-brainer. Turtle wow fixed this at least.

>>720267897
>Horde Night Elves
dumb, otherwise good post. And yes, 'rotting corpse' should have never been a playable race.

>>720270896
>>720270729
Most of that got solved and they bounced back. Compared to night elves that had a much greater advantage to begin with and has had nothing but L's

>>720266368 (OP)
Yes. move on next question.

Orcs:
>Ugly and morally gray
Trolls:
>Ugly and morally gray
Tauren:
>Ugly and morally good
Undead:
>Ugly and morally evil
Blood Elves:
>Pretty and morally evil(until the end of TBC where they become good again)

The problem is that the moment they stopped being evil they lost their place in the Horde.

>>720267897
>>720268483
Blizzard made the nelves and undead playable because they were from the two factions of the RTS.
If they didn't you would have people constantly asking for playable night elves and undead, same way they're asking for ogres and high elves but 10x.

>>720267897
incorrect
real split:
ALLIANCE
>humans
>dwarfs
>gnomes
>night elves
>high elves

HORDE
>orcs
>trolls
>tauren
>ogres

no i dont care that that means alliance has 1 more race than horde

>>720268368

This was the correct take. So many people would have never played Horde if it wasn't for blood elves. Blood elves single handily saved the faction imbalance.

I still refuse to play blood elves, but i understand why they had to be added to the horde from an outside perspective

>>720268368
>only 3:1
Better than a lot of the American servers. My server had a 5:1, and some had 10:1 before Blood elves were introduced. They can't blame Blood Elves entire on Korea.

>>720266505
Retcon is some of the most poorly used terms there is.
Just because additions are done after a released edition does not make them bad, unintended originally, incorrect or unnatural.

>>720266368 (OP)
Why did they distributed all playable species in 2 alliances?
Why not let some be unaligned or mercenary?

>>720267897
>Undead should never have been a playable faction, and if it had to be, it should've been its own third faction.
They were early on development but Blizzard then decided it was too much of a hasle going with three factions and reduced it to two, also allegedly Nelfs were going to be a fourth faction but that got cut on the designing board.

>>720266368 (OP)
Best thing that ever happened according to Orcs

>>720276193
Yeah, the original plan for three or even four factions would’ve solved a lot of the identity crisis issues later on. Forsaken never fit cleanly into the Horde outside of being vaguely anti-Alliance, and Night Elves being lumped in with humans and gnomes was always jarring. Would’ve been way cooler to have a smaller, morally gray Dead faction led by Sylvanas with its own agenda. Same deal with Nelves-imagine a nature/druidic faction with Cenarius, Malfurion, dryads, etc. But Blizzard couldn’t figure out the logistics for PvP balance or raid design with more than two. Classic "scope creep -> compromise -> lore spaghetti."

>>720276294
I like this. NE as the main antagonists for Horde and Forsaken as main antagonists for Alliance.

>>720266368 (OP)
Elves are always gay in video games. Make them their own faction with the other elves so all the women and their gay bffs can roleplay together.

>warcraft elves are now magic cancer trolls that mutate the second anything magical glances at them
wtf

>>720266368 (OP)
adding elves to warcraft was a mistake

>>720276294
I dont think the problem was putting Nelves on alliance and Forsaken on the horde as much as the writers being unable to make it look ok without being a complete lore butcher, the logical steps would have been Nelves and Forsaken having non aggression pacts and a lot of "we are not gonna attack eachother but dont come close to us" with their relative factions and then build from that but Blizzard had great world and lore builders but awful writers.
The four factions were probably a mistake and seeing how well WoW did we have to admit they made the right decissions overall.

>>720276108
Because Blizzard needed faction PvP to work and didn’t want to design for more than two camps. Having unaligned or mercenary races would’ve made it harder to implement core systems like Battlegrounds or structured world PvP-imagine trying to queue for Warsong as a neutral satyr lmao. That said, there were hints of this in the early game design (Steamwheedle, Syndicate, even Scarlet Crusade as potential 3rd/4th factions) but they streamlined it to red vs blue to make it manageable. Shame tho, mercenary factions or guilds could’ve added way more flavor, especially for morally gray or non-homogenous races.

NEVER TRUST AN ELF

>>720266505
This meme needs to die, literally the only thing significant change from that retcon was the reveal that the big demon overlords are technically the same species as some swamp gremlins. Literally ANY other retcon in WoW is worse than the Draenei retcon, especially in TBC.