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When did TF2 start its slow decline into a shell of its former glory?

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March 4, 2021.

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>>720290696
Holy shit just how new are you artifact schizoniggerposter

>>720290547 (OP)
2014 or 2015. Whatever the date they stopped doing crates and started with the shitty bloat cases and ugly as fuck skins. MyM what the nail in the coffin.

Late 2010

>>720290547 (OP)
When it was first created.
Scots are European.

>>720290547 (OP)
Goldrush/Medic update was when it started becoming a petri dish for shitlve's jewish money-extracting schemes
>it's just a "sidegrade" bro!
>you can still unlock them by gameplay bro!

>>720290547 (OP)
The correct answer is 2016-2017, right after the meet your match update released and Valve straight up gave up on the game

>>720290790
>my lootbox is better than your lootbox
KYS

>>720291148
demokn**** is such a stupid braindead class, it's just a better version of Pyro.

how many times to I have to say 2014 before you accept my answer

>>720291280
Before I call you a retard, would you like to elaborate?

>>720291871
nta anon but
>pipes are a better range weapon
>charging is a better mobility tool
>sword melee is a more efficient close range option
anything else I missed?

>>720291280
>a better version of Pyro.
>literally countered by pyro

>>720291871
>sword and shield that allows you to get in close range with guaranteed critical hit damage
>if running zatoichi just heal everything lmao
>allows to tank more than a heavy
>almost if not faster than a scout
>you can ditch your primary weapon for even more bonuses
it can tank 5-6 splash rockets, tanks more than 4 pills, it takes ages to burn down, it moves faster than scout so it easily evade bullets from heavy easier, it can freely choose which fights to engage and disengage. The only counter is either airblast and hope your team does the damage or a sniper.
>>720292373
your point? pyro doesn't counter pyro either you dumb fuck.

>>720292447
> pyro doesn't counter pyro either
Afterburn immunity.

>>720291994
Watch me roast your ass as I airblast you off a bridge. After sidestepping you. Lmfao.

>>720290547 (OP)
when it went f2p and the bloat started with overpowered wpns and niggers asking how to use the spy radio.

>>720292663
When I first played tf2 back in 2007 I thought the sapper was the device that turned me invisible since I would pull it out, find left click did nothing but right click cloaked me

>>720290547 (OP)
Meet your Match update, TF2 is soulless now.

When did YOU start your slow decline into a shell of your former glory?

>>720290547 (OP)
>start their slow decline
when they nerfed the axtinguisher
>when it became a shell of its former glory
meet your match update

>>720293261
>When did YOU start your slow decline into a shell of your former glory?
past 2k hours mark, never recovered
I have been looking at my past casual logs all the way back in 2016 and I actually found out I was doing very similar to how I perform now, maybe It just felt different back then or something

Shortly after MvM

Haven't touched it myself since then and loat my old steam account which had quite a few vintage items all the way back from the pyro update

>>720290547 (OP)
Once we stopped getting class updates? New weapons?
I mean, even from day 1, I was gonna play for years like I did with TFC and 1.6. A decline? Probably like 2016 or whatever the last big official update happened.

>>720290547 (OP)
MyM/competitive
>>720294036
most vintages are worth pennies anyway

>>720290835
why do you think late 2010 and not say F2P or MYM?
in my mind it was MvM a few MONTHS after I started playing TF2

>>720294552
Feature creep of trying to release new weapons for all classes, keep all that shit balanced, more and more stupid achievements, server performance regressions, releasing more and more hats and eventually the full on trading system with lootbox shit was the straw that broke the camel's back.

When qp died

>>720294036
i think valve got pissed at tf2 players when they (rightfully) complained about having to pay for mvm
we had another 2ish years of good updates, but end of the line was a prophetic name, the update was disappointing and everything started getting worse after that

For me the game stopped being fun in 2015

>>720290547 (OP)
It's a game for Tumblr furries, faggots, and trannies. Kill yourself.

>>720295004
>>720292952
what does this have to do with tf2 tho

>>720295569
Because you're fighting on behalf of retards with terrible opinions on youtube to boost terrible servers instead of playing game with your friends like an actual human being playing the game in 2007 with an operating knowledge of how to "forward a port" so you can play with your pals.
Instead of this weird modern conception that TF2 NEEDS a bunch of meaningless incremental changes so annoying people on youtube can make videos about it.
In short
Reject the shitterweb
Make a server with your friends
If you're feeling crazy and are on windows. Make a map just for you and your friends.
That's how it's supposed to be.

It supposedly going "bad" around 2010/2011 is a retarded meme spouted by retarded faggots. I'd say it actually went unforgivably bad in 2016.
>valves matchmaking replaced with a shitty queue system
>valve nerfing all the fun weapons because they decided to listen to the competitive community for whatever fucking reason
>community starts to shift, all those fun community servers start becoming ghost towns in favor of 24/7 2fort
>trannies start latching onto the game for dear life and slowly replace bronies (who actually were the backbone of community content despite being faggots)

>4chan memes and anime culture was the first custom TF2 map
>no server hosts these types of maps anymore
what fucking happened man

>>720296293
People scream for Valve to force people to play with unlikable youtuber faggots instead of realizing that they can just make a server, right now with actually fun maps.

>>720291280
>Scout equips FaN
>Pyro airblasts
>Soldier shoots his feet
>Heavy exists
>Engineer exists
It's really quite pathetic how many people die to Demoknights despite how easily he is hard countered

>>720290765
How new are you?

>>720294036
MvM playerbase is such a fascinating ball of anti-social materialistic psychopaths, I cannot believe there was a group that’d tag your steam account if you didn’t play to their standard and automated a bot to use a bug that caused a infinite stall loop in their match if one of their people was joined up with you, atleast until the person that were targeting quit the match.
The amount of effort to make the game unplayable for 5 people because you used the Gas Passer once was a casestudy worthy.
And a official site where they openly listed the accounts of people they had tagged with their reasoning for said tagging written beside each name, going from somewhat reasonable to the most petty bullshit imaginable
>JohnnyJewJones
>picked pyro for first 5 seconds, liar said it was a ‘misclick’

>>720290547 (OP)
When they made rhe HazMat Headcase a Sniper cosmetic.

It was the exact moment you can tell nobody working on TF2 gave a shit anymore.

>>720290547 (OP)
Valve stopped being a game company in 2011-2013 and a lot of the team moved on so around that time
Robin Walker stopped working on the game around that time IIRC

>>720296734
Tbh I never understood the hatred for Gas Passer in higher levels of MvM, if the people there are just mindlessly grinding for Gold Weapons why wouldn’t you want the grind to be shorter? Yes it trivializes the entire mode but, if you’re just there to for your bank account, wouldn’t it make sense?

>>720290547 (OP)
Development basically stopped after MvM was introduced, so then.

>>720290547 (OP)
Gun Mettle
>Competitive Mode's beta passes were first given out.
>Started making the nerfs to a lot of weapons, putting some in niche cases (Loch-n-Load) or just flat-out useless (Enforcer).
>Considered adding more community weapons, but decided not to, with files from these weapons still leftover in the game files to rot.
>Instead, added CS:GO skins for existing weapons, as well as CS:GO rarity levels for them and cosmetics to monetize the game even further.

>>720290547 (OP)
Gun mettle

When it went f2p

>>720296112
This. Faggots bitching about any update before MyM are lying retards. MyM was 100% responsible for TF2's death, as Valve became obsessed with TF2 being another e-sports shitshow and when it inevitably failed because TF2 is inherently incompatible with competitive bullshit they stopped caring and left it to rot. Best we got after that was Jungle Inferno and I have no clue how we got that
>>720297029
It's a matter of ego for most of those retards. At the end of the day they aren't getting aussies and robotkillers out of monetary gain or whatever, they are the compies of MvM: delusional retards who need everyone to play exactly like them and throw a tantrum whenever someone does something differently. The Gas Passer is the equivalent to random crits in the main game: Much like you have Cuckle Dane moaning about how le critz are evil because they don't let him showcase his awesome skills and give less fortunate players a chance to fight back as well as reward people on killstreaks, Tacofags do the same with the Gas Passer because it means a Gibus player can output as much damage as they do and it pisses them off

>>720290591
And?

>>720302737
TF2 isn't even dead.

>>720306294
It's soul is dead.

>>720306424
Also not true, mostly, main major hurdle is the niggas that still make shit are on linux and all the shitmaker software is windows only.

>>720290547 (OP)
scout update

>>720306294
It very much is in essence. Valve no longer cares, pushing shitty updates with zero quality assurance and keeping only one man on staff. The community is souless, the workshop is controlled by mafias like the Emporium which use TF2 as a way to pad out their portfolios, the soul and artstyle are long gone, the plotline and arcs got destroyed with the new comics, the average player is a subhuman tranny who thinks TF2 is some cartoony wonderland of fat Hoovies doing the Katszosky Kick, content farm JewTubers control the community while good ones like Zesty are under constant attack for even slightly disagreeing on anything, etc. Tell me a single thing that's alive in TF2

>>720290547 (OP)
Mannconomy update.

>>720290547 (OP)
the instant the classes started having more than 1 alternate set of weapons

>>720293261
Last year when I quit my job with nothing lined up. I thought I had an idea of who I was. Turns out I found a million ways to cope that are no longer available (ez sex being a major factor). I don't know if I'll make it to 2030 but at least I lived more than I ever expected to.

>>720290547 (OP)
When Valve bent the knee to compfags, nerfing and gutting everything that doesn't belong to Soldier, Demo, and Medic since if you don't play them, you're not allowed to have fun. Now get out there and act as the useless fodder you are while the braindead drooling Soldiertard shoots floors and walls and somehow gets a 40 killstreak.

>>720307602
>AIIIIIIEEEEEEE THEY WON'T GIVE ME BALANCE UPDATES AND PEOPLE TO PLAY ON MY SERVER
You are not the soul of tf2.

>>720290547 (OP)
Robot boogaloo was the first slop update and it became the blueprint of the modern tf2 "update"

>>720309625
>Robot boogaloo was the first slop update
Nope.

>>720312134
>>720309625
If we're playing this retarded game you knuckle dragging newfags, the Pyro update came with turbine, one of the few straight up shit maps in the game.

>>720312298
So a shit update that you can't ignore
vs
A shit map that you can ignore

magnifique

>>720307931
What did you do for work?

>>720312348
Is
>I forfeit the right to whine about shitty maps from now on
Really the shit you want to walk away with retards?

ITT: Retards who think TF2 on release was a good game that absolutely had no issues whatsoever.
>No Airblast
>Medics could flash their entire team through a chokepoint
>Have to mash m1 to actually get any reliable DPS with the pistol
>No viewmodel shimmering when bumping into people while cloaked
>Can't shoot stickies to destroy them
>Demo could just run at people and spam pipes and take no self-damage
>Can't upgrade the Dispenser or Teleporter
I could go on, but just know TF2 is far superior today even with the issues brought on by compfags than it was on launch, so ignore the faggots who think otherwise.

>>720312559
A shit update is much worse than a shit map.
Back then, when community servers were the norm, the proper way of dealing with shit maps no one wanted to play was
>this map is shit, let's remove it from rotation

>>720290547 (OP)
f2p update that opened the floodgates for the unwashed masses

>tranimefaggot has shit opinions
Whoa, call the press

>>720312696
Why do you people parrot that the F2P update killed it when community servers had anti-F2P plugins for fucking years

>>720291280
>”demoknight is just better pyro”
>gets bullied by every pyro besides phlogfags
What did he mean by this?

>>720312793
Those people never played before the f2p update.

>>720290547 (OP)
objectively it's sniper/spy update where they introduced random item drops (sowing the seeds of the lootboxes) and bullshit items that completely negate intended weaknesses of the class like razorback/dead ringer

the moment it became free to play

>>720290547 (OP)
>When did TF2 start its slow decline into a shell of its former glory?
putting in matchmaking

>>720313036
oh yeah also it has jarate which completely cements that tf2 has completely given up on being a serious game with jokes in the promotional material/taunts to instead be wacky shooting game after sandvich

>>720293261
when I started working at the same company for 8 years now. I miss having my own cat, but where I live i'm not allowed to have one. Nobody visits me, all I do with my money is buy food and fuck hookers. No friends, no life outside my flat, just work, pretending i'm a human being, then watching my back constantly when I'm outside, always stressed, never relaxed. All I have no is some money, I lost everything else.

>720296112
>>trannies start latching onto the game for dear life and slowly replace bronies (who actually were the backbone of community content despite being faggots)

Man I miss bronies, I use to spray pic related to piss them off.

>>720312609
True. There is only release TF2 and current TF2. TF2 has been nothing outside of that. You are very smart.

>>720313989
They are clearly all in that tiny hallway to the left

The Gun Mettle update in 2015.

Overwatch

>>720313883
I've said this many times before, and I will keep saying it. You know this games current community is fucked when the weirdest player you'd come across in 2013 was just someone with a pony spray.
The mental illness this game attracts now is not comparable.

Late either 2013 or 2014.
The axtinquisher nerf was the canary in the coal mine.

>>720296112
>>720302737
Plenty of us were saying tf2 had gone to shit years before MyM happened. Valve had made plenty of shitty changes by that point, whether it was selling the game out to some obnoxious business practices, garish cosmetics, horrible ideas like cosmetic set bonuses, terrible balancing decisions or adding some legitimately broken weapon concepts.

MyM was simply the point when Valve had made an update that was so undeniably disastrous that even the most deluded Valve fanboys were no longer able to continue pretending that Valve knew what they were doing anymore. And by insisting that MyM and no other point before then was when things went to shit you merely label yourselves as said deluded fanboys. You're merely the last ones to figure out what the rest of us knew already.

>>720314137
There was plenty of weird back then too. You just get blind to it being part of the pack.

>>720312298
>one of the few straight up shit maps in the game.
Haha no there are plenty of those. Some even made by valve. Some even released with the game.

>>720314332
>Plenty of us were saying tf2 had gone to shit years before MyM happened.
Homosexuals like you were babbling about nonsense well before MyM, yes.

I do wish TF2 never introduced unusuals. I don't care about the other cosmetics they're all in world, I just hate the lol random floating particle effects on heads and how people latched onto it like it's something actually desirable.

>>720290547 (OP)
meet your match was the beginning of the end

>>720314524
>they're all in world
Not anymore lmao. They'll take just about anything the workshop shits out and add it to the game.

>>720294036
Read that as “haven’t touched myself”

>>720314521
You don't need to degrading yourself by telling me you have low standards. I mean what are you even trying to defend? The poor decisions of a company you ended up deciding were idiots in the end anyway? Again, you were just the last to figure out what we all knew already.

>>720313131
boo hoo

>>720314756
Ah you know what I mean. Even if they're garbage they're still diagetic items.

The biggest crime besides MYM was the graphics being downgraded. TF2 used to look so good.

>>720312542
Data Analyst. I hate Jeets, I hate AI, and I hate boomers who think Jeets and AI will somehow give them the magic solution to the impossible, retarded requests they always want with no hangups and because it's cheaper.

love and war was the verdict
gun mettle was the appeal being denied
jungle inferno was the needle going in

>>720290547 (OP)
The Mannconomy Update was the first truly awful TF2 update but the game continued to receive good updates after it. Updates like End of the Line and Invasion were clear signs the game was in decline but it wasn't until Meet Your March where the game truly "died" for me. It's funny, compared to what we get now End of the Line and Invasion were actually great. I haven't played since December but I reckon I might try the new MVM stuff.

>>720314979
Annoying thing about what one is getting accused of parroting crowbcat when I had already downloaded that leaked 2008 port and seen shit for myself. The improved weapon video model quality really jumps at you. As does the better flamethrower fire. And crowbcat didn't even mention that shit in his video.

>>720313989
kek

>>720290547 (OP)
gun mettle and more infamously meet your match. I swear compfags aren't bad inherently but whenever devs try to specifically cater to them specifically it also leads to the most braindead decisions that pleases no one. that and valve refusing to due a major update/balance patch in nearly a decade

>>720312298
Turbine is a top 10 map, what are you talking about?

>>720312609
>>Can't shoot stickies to destroy them
>>Demo could just run at people and spam pipes and take no self-damage
It's honestly funny whenever sniperfags bitch about how any minor nerfs would "ruin him" meanwhile demo got castrated multiple times and he's still one of the best classes due to his basic mechanics.

>>720314040
You jest and yet that's how many tards on this board act. So many TF2 threads I enter, I'll see people bitching about literally every single fucking update the game has ever had and it's like why the fuck are you playing the game at this point? I've seen even the most innocuous updates like Invasion get complained about here over pointless shit like Byre having 2 capture points.

>>720315758
2011-2014 was peak TF2 cause that's when I played

>>720315898
You're probably being sarcastic but that's true though.

>>720291106
NTA but unironically yes
they replaced the classic audience cheer & riff with an annoying, loud as fuck choir sfx that grates your ears, and the name of the item takes 3 seconds longer than the image to appear for no reason
i dont care about the fancy falling box animation, fuck off
thats not even talking about that csgo rarity shit that i fucking hate, when items in crates already had set %s to appear, the only reason they ever introduced it was not out of love for tf2, but to remold it into the shape of something else
yes, MY lootbox is BETTER than YOUR lootbox, jill.

>>720315994
I wasn't being sarcastic, 2015 is when the updates started getting shitty and then they permanently ruined the game with MYM in 2016.

>>720290547 (OP)
When Facepunch Forum users got employed by Valve.

>>720315648
>t. jose.gonzalez2006 spamming flares across battlements as pyro

List of compromises tf2 made over the years:
>medic update compromised readability since you couldn't visually see a player's loadout, compromised the idea that everyone would be on a level playing field, compromised uber being an important aspect of medic's kit for dealing with sentry guns and compromised the idea that the weapons would be strictly sidegrades (it was basically never true)
>introduction of upgradable dispensers compromised the principle idea that all the major healing in the game was things that culminated in a uber in order to fix stalemates that could be caused by said major healing
>valve's decision to start buffing the heavy class to make him 6s viable badly compromised the idea that the game would be balanced for pub play
>wrangler jumping compromised many map designs that flat out had sentry spots the map maker never intended engineer to be able to build at

>>720290547 (OP)
Let’s just say “The End Of The Line” was a very fitting update name.

>>720296293
>4chan the map
>gayfaggot queers remake it
>completely ruin the vibe
The team fabulous 2 "remake" was an absolute shitfest, no section in it managed to capture what made it so great in the first place. Genuine fucking flesh automatons pretending to like something and infesting it.

>>720315037
You made a good choice. I'm a programmer but only because I'm too autistic to do anything else. The job market keeps getting worse and I'm really doubting my career decision. Hope you find a good job anon.

>>720315758
>and it's like why the fuck are you playing the game at this point?
Most aren't? When you ask a question in the past tense, you're getting historic answers.