Thread 720303569

wtf it's actually good I thought you were memeing

It's not, we were, and you just outted yourself for shit taste.

>wtf it's actually good
It's not.

>>720303569 (OP)
I'm having a blast

>>720306453
up my ass

You can't post that. /v/ is full of contrarians.

>>720303569 (OP)
>Dragon Tooth
>Points in Melee
>Max running speed Aug
>Max combat strength Aug
>Max HP Regen Aug
>Max MP Cost down Aug

Wow, it's just like one of my Japanese Animes!

Bravery is not a function of firepower

>>720306614
I think DX is one of the rare games where all of /v/ agrees it's good.

um gai ji gao

>muh doge man is like le bob page
but bob page manufactured a nanomechanical virus as a political move to subvert FEMA

I remember something about going in to kill a terrorist and JC said “do you have a single fact to back that up?”. And listened to some dude rant about grown up words and politics and government idk. Then my brother Paul Jensen was working for the bad guys or something and how he’s being a double agent idk. And how I found this dude in the plane and I listened to his dialogue, I was gonna let him live for some reason but agent Navarro or something killed him. Then something about going to a base then switching a satellite antenna to help my brother and the good guys start shooting at me and now I’m a bad guy. I don’t know wtf is happening. Then I go back to the main base HQ or whatever then the old man with the mustache who told me to stay out the ladies restroom is talking to a hologram then he starts shooting me and I kill him and I got lost and I don’t know what’s happening

>>720303569 (OP)
It's really not. Laser-pistol combo at the start = ggez until the end. The game gives you way too many options to solve things. Yes this is bad.

SS2 is objectively better in every way.

>>720307380
>It's really not. Laser-pistol combo at the start = ggez until the end.
Whoa, you really solved combat in this non-combat centric game.
clap

>>720307158
Just go with the flow

>>720307508
It's pretty combat centric though. It gives you lots of ways to avoid combat entirely but the scenarios center around combat and enemies.

>>720308034
Combatfag sees all situations as combat centric.

>>720306705
You better fucking believe it

>>720308034
Trying to play it as a stealth game is boring as fuck. When you realize that you can just kill everyone is when the came becomes fun.

>>720306705
>install GMDX for projectile object damage
>max arm aug
>throw random street objects for lethal takedowns
Wow its just like my favorite Hong Kong action movies!

>>720308157
Nothing personelleee

>>720307508
Except combat does matter?

>>720308184
>just play oofy doofy style
Hyper ironic retard zoomoid. If I wanted Quake or Unreal I'd play either of those.

>>720308421
>gmdx
Disgusting

Honestly the vanilla game is severly overrated, Its way too easy to cheese the game.
There are some mods that improve it and make it generally harder to cheese the game and tightens up the gameplay by allowing more diversity of builds rather than just going for the meta Laser- Pistol build

>>720307380
>SS2 is objectively better in every way.
to quote the only line the SS2 protag has to say

nah

>>720307380
>SS2 is objectively better in every way.
SS2 is also known for the pistol being viable until end game lmao

>>720308718
>single player game
>meta
Grim. I've done plenty of different builds and had fun with them even if some were stronger than others.

>>720306705
Dragontooth sword have bad armor penetration (like against Mechas) because it actually deals the damage in multiple chunks.

>>720307380
Nah

>>720308741
*tips fedora*

>>720308802
Yes. You have to use other weapons. This is a good thing.

>>720308561
>>720308913
Honestly GMDX augmented edition by Sarge945 is easily the way i recommend people play the game today. Its overall a much tighter experience than the Sloppy vanilla version with its cheese tactics and meta faggotry. Playing a Assault build is also actually possible and using guns isnt complete aids

>>720308561
Stealth is just waiting for stuff to happen. It's not very active gameplay.

>>720309460
Considering how many ways there are to do stealth in DX, yeah it is active gameplay.

>>720303569 (OP)
its one of the games you can replay yearly:
Deus Ex
Vtmb
Morrowind
Skyrim
Gothic 2
Warcraft 3

>>720309545
Ultimately it just comes down to waiting for dudes to move out of the way. I'll just shoot them thanks.

>>720309153
Mods are fun after the fact but playing the game outside of vanilla for the first go really misses the mark.

>>720309934
The thought of baiting and distracting them never occurred to you? Especially since GMDX adds mantling stealth is much better.

>>720309153
>Playing a Assault
How so? What makes it more run and gun?

>>720308561
>wanted Quake or Unreal
>Unreal
>he doesn't know
anyway, literally the whole reason Deus Ex exists is because Warren Spector was getting dunked on by Thief guards and wanted to make a game where you could both stealth and fight. Being able to play it like Unreal if you want (very clunkily, but still) is the whole point of the game

>>720310047
>anyway, literally the whole reason Deus Ex exists is because Warren Spector was getting dunked on by Thief guard

>>720309995
If there's a way to do stealth without ever having to stop moving to wait for enemies to pass that would be cool as fuck. I'll have to give that mod a try.

>>720310047
>Unreal
>he doesn't know
Don't know what? Are you gonna say what I think your predictable ass is gonna say?

>>720309956
The time when a game has the most impact on its player is on the First Playthrough.. This is why i played GMDX augmented edition first while Sarge945 was working on it half a year ago. Afterwards i did attempt a Vanilla run but there is just way too much slop and the guns feel absolutely terrible in comparison.

What i wanted wasent to play the game in its original form becasue that's for plebians, i wanted to play the version that let me play the game the way i wanted to play it without having to accept that some parts of the game isnt as strong as others

>>720310220
I mean, even the vanilla game already has invisibility and silent movement augs for you to just run right past enemies without giving a fuck (taxing on your biocell supply though), and alternatively the other leg aug to simply play jump around to places that the guards don't go to

I do agree that waiting around for patrol routes and sightlines is the most boring way to do stealth (that's why tacked-on stealth sections in what are otherwise action games suck so much - they're not going to actually implement any detailed mechanics for a one-off section, so you just get line of sight and some conveniently placed chest-high walls to boringly wait behind), but good stealth games have other things going on

>>720310487
>too much slop
what the fuck does that even mean, are we just using "slop" as a generic word for "thing I don't like" now

You are not allowed to play Revision or GMDX.

>>720310649
>You are not allowed to play Revision
Good.

>>720310649
>not allowed to play Revision
thank God, that shit sucks

>>720310627
No.. Slop as in the Gun animations and Sounds are sloppily made

deus ex > system shock 2 > prey > dishonored

all great tho and I need more of this "genre"

>>720310487
You do you but that's an unfortunate lens to look through I think, and you've missed out on seeing it as it was without expectation. Shame.

>>720310487
You sound like a shill. Are you the mod maker?

>>720310869
What you dont understand is that i dont care about seeing it as it was.. I want to see the game today, not how it was when it came out

>>720311096
It's the same game today as it was then. You're playing something different by changing that, whether perceived or not as improvement. You don't experience the piece on its own merits or get a feel for why things were the way they are. Just that there's some "improvement" over changes another person felt the need to incorporate.

What should I invest into? I trained pistols and rifles but I just learned that the sawed off doesn't break doors and locks like sniper rifle does
Should I just keep a sniper rifle? So far I have been using the gep gun to save lockpicks
Playing Revision btw

>>720312515
>Playing Revision btw
Stopped reading

>>720311508
That's where you are wrong, when a game supports modding its never the same as when the game came out becasue when the game came out there werent yet any mods.

"You don't experience the piece on its own merits or get a feel for why things were the way they are" And why does this matter? why do i have to experience the piece on its own merits? why do i have to get a feel for why things are the way they are? I dont understand how this is even remotely relevant to just enjoying a game the way i want it

>>720312562
>stopped reading at the end of the post
really made me think

>>720312515
>Playing Revision btw
well, probably too late now given all the skill points you've invested, but next playthrough try GMDX

> Should I just keep a sniper rifle
I end up occasionally keeping around as a big lockpick too. You can also break cameras with it after some level-ups and damage upgrades, not sure if you're already at that point by now.
It's definitely more economical than the GEP gun, which is a whole third of your inventory - if you're not also planning on using the GEP gun in actual combat (against bots for example), it might not be worth it.

Another trick for saving on lockpicks - in addition to the explosives you're actually carrying on your person, some levels have plenty of explosive barrels or TNT crates lying around too. It can take some time dragging them around, so you have to be kind of autistic about saving picks/multitools like me.
A GMDX-specific side of this which I discovered is turning Men-in-Black into portable human(-ish) bombs. Normally they self-destruct on death, but you can knock them out (this may also be GMDX-specific, don't remember if they were tranq/prod-able in vanilla) which circumvents that, then lug their bodies around and, thanks to the Arm Strength aug, throw them at a door (or an enemy) with enough velocity to make them gib and trigger the self-destruct. It's a ton of fun

>>720312912
You can enjoy a game the way you want, I'm not saying not to. You can prefer the modded version too, there's no problem. You are just experiencing something different, ultimately, and with throwaway games that might be whatever but with foundational titles it's something you won't be able to recapture once it's gone.

>>720313678
You'r greatly overexaggerating how different GMDX is compared to the vanilla game. " with foundational titles it's something you won't be able to recapture once it's gone." And why does this matter? does this inhibit the entertainment value of the game? recapture what?

>>720314995
Even little changes make a difference on perception of the whole. Having a baseline gives a better understanding for what that is. If you don't care and only perceive an entertainment value then pursue that, but being inquisitive about the things you play and why they are the way they are is an experience of itself. If you simply want to look at it as content to consume, that's your life.

>>720306857
It has unfixably bad quality of the visuals. Not the style but the models and textures. Fixing just the textures was attempted and it's absolute ass, often changing things arbitrarily as well.
But this also proves that while video games benefit from nice visuals those aren't the requirement. Serviceable works.

>>720308080
When someone's mind is as sharp as a hammer...

>>720310487
>I didn't play the game as it was designed
>I wanted to play a different game that is inspired by the original to get "the cred"
Many such cases nowadays.

>>720317180
if i didnt want to play the game i wouldn't have played the game dipshit..

i swear the Deus ex Vanilla community is composed of pure autism

>>720316004
I feel like this is going into assumptions territory, you'r assuming im not inquisitive becasue i dont value playing the vanilla game and getting a vanilla baseline. The modded game is not different enough that the baseline you get from that is much different than the one you get from the Vanilla Game.
The differences between the Vanilla game and GMDX AE are actually much smaller than you think, but becasue you have played and studied the game so extensively over a period of time they appear much larger

When you play a game for a long time issues and differences that were once small have a tendency to sometimes seem much larger than they actually are.
Any regular human on the planet would never be able to see the differences between Vanilla and GMDX AE however they would be able to feel them becasue Vanilla plays like garbage in 1 of the 3 gameplay choices in the game (Speech, Stealth, Assault) and GMDX AE doesent.

>>720310487
>that let me play the game the way i wanted to play it
how can you know how you want to play the game if you never played it before? massively modding a game you haven't even played is strange.

>gmdx augmented edition
>an overhaul of an overhaul

>>720306705
>pistol
>laser mod
>points in pistols
>activate laser
>click heads
wow just like my call of duty

>>720318406
Becasue i knew the core game pillars in the game were Speech, Stealth, Assault. If i was going to play Deus EX then i wanted to touch on all of those within 1 playthrough.

From earlier attempts at getting into deus ex i knew that the Assault part is the worst part of the game, and that is what originally led me to GMDX.

The playthrough that is memorable is the First one so its much more important that the game is at its best on the First playthrough.

GMDX at its core is not different enough that it completely renews the experience and provides another "First Playthrough"

What a shame. He was a good man. What a rotten way todie.

>>720318391
No, it's more your line of questioning and reasoning that has me thinking that. You didn't know what the vanilla or GMDX were, you just wanted the most entertainment value. It's updated, so it's "better". Now you're trying to say the differences aren't actually as significant, but I know my own experiences with them. I know I wouldn't have wanted that for myself, though I don't have anything against GMDX it's fine for what it is. It's just different.

>>720319154
>the Assault part is the worst part of the game,
How? I thought it was fine once you get enough upgrades. You pretty much become unstoppable and can do all out assaults in whatever way you want. Not being able to play it like a regular shooter right away doesn't make it bad if that's what your issue was, since a lot of people try that.

>best
I've never really seen an overhaul mod that I thought was a complete upgrade from the original. They pretty much always end up introducing their own issues so it's a sidegrade at best. I don't really know how you can say it's better when you have no proper point to compare it to.

It's also a little strange to be namedropping the creator and praising it so heavily when it just came out so recently and isn't very well known/used.

>>720319629
"I know my own experiences with them"
^^
"The differences between the Vanilla game and GMDX AE are actually much smaller than you think, but becasue you have played and studied the game so extensively over a period of time they appear much larger"

"You didn't know what the vanilla or GMDX were"
So we are assuming again , the discussion is over..

>>720306705
>>720303569 (OP)
>>720308157

>>720307158
Play it again now that you're older. Trust me. It's like night and day.

>>720316790
>It's been attempted before to mixed results
>UNFIXABLE
shut up melodramatic nigga

>>720309823
>JC: Paul, maybe we should try getting a job.
>Paul: *farts*
>JC: A BOMB?!

>>720310452
nta, but you should probably finish reading his post to understand why he is retarded.
>>720310047
retard

>>720319925
There's no assuming, it's from your own words and smaller scope and framing of your experience. If someone wants to play Deus Ex, I simply recommend playing the game as it is. I don't think it's that serious that you can't go back to the vanilla or anything afterwards but at the end of the day they're separate things, or they wouldn't be different, and it's significant enough for you to put that as your recommendation forward.

Play Peripeteia instead. It's better than this old turd.

>>720310787
>we want to create a world with lots of useable objects
this pretty much summarizes why I enjoy games like deus ex. I want to interact with all the shit in a video game, not just look at it like it's a set.

>>720312562
>>720313071
I restarted GMDX
thanks

>>720320028
>poor thing can't read
The chirping isn't a bird, it's a battery in a fire alarm.

>>720311725
>"your little brother says it's his turn on the family computer!"

>>720303569 (OP)
In my mind it is the best game ever made.