Thread 720329864

What does /v/ think of Verso?
Is he well written?

>>720329864 (OP)
Best character of the decade.

>What does /v/ think of Verso?
Piece of shit
>Is he well written?
Yes

Why does he have to make his suicide everyone else's problem

>>720329864 (OP)
I think he was right

>>720329864 (OP)
I think he's a lying piece of shit.

Real Verso faked his death in the fire to go join the writers. Painted Verso is a very accurate copy of him.

>>720329864 (OP)
He’s what Clive should have been and I’m glad Ben Starr got to basically re-do the character but with better writing

>>720329864 (OP)
I feel like the "twist" of the protagonist being replaced was too obvious due to a few design aspects, like none of his weapons having abilities and most of his skill tree being closed off.
The game overall had a problem with accidently giving away future plot beats due to design choices which made the twists way less dramatic. Another example is when you're initially getting ready to set off for the expedition, all of the expedition members have extremely generic NPC designs except the party members, so like literally the instant I saw the expedition I knew that all of them would die instantly.

100% sympathetic character whose suffering alone justifies picking his ending.
>b-b-but muh painted world!
If Earth's continued existence was dependent upon a little white boy being tortured in the center of the Earth for eternity, we would be monsters to try to justify it.

>>720329864 (OP)
He's a pretty cool character and I think probably the most well written in the game.
He suffers from being in the CO story though which is kind of a mess.

>>720330135
This little boy barely has a sentience and free will. I already live off the backs of the have-nots and you think I'd have a problem with that lol

Why does Alicia think nobody would be her husband in real life?

>>720330401
And no, don't give me that faggot homo, "Oh it'd be a worthless man or a man who cheats on her with other women". We all know those aren't real answers or real men.

>>720330401
>>720330470
90% of husbands leave their wives when those wives get cancer.

>>720330512
Sounds like some 21st söycentury bullshit.

>>720329920
This

>>720330512
you fell for a lefty/pol/ fake statistic

I forgot this game even existed. I forgot I even played through all of it

>>720330101
A lot of anons predicted Gustave will die in the threads before the game released

>>720329864 (OP)
>massive liar
>everybody who played the game trusts him anyways
Not sure if this form of witchcraft has anything to writing anymore.

>>720332038
He might have built it up as a reflex, I do it all the time and everyone believes me. It's not worth it, just be truthful.

>>720329864 (OP)
>What does /v/ think of Verso?
He's a controversial fellow, but I like him.
>Is he well written.
The best.

>>720330401
Because she's a retarded, over-dramatic teenager who thinks her life is over. They made her 16 for a reason.

>>720330024
Agree with this. He uses the exact voice but Verso is far more nuanced. Shame Clive ended up being such a one note character.

>>720329864 (OP)
he's woman-brained so of course all the trannies on /v/ love him

sexo

Reminder that a jeet is shilling this game on a daily basis, replies to himself in his own threads and is probably paid rupees by sandfall.

>>720329864 (OP)
Yes he's well written. He's also a manipulative, self serving, backbiting snake.

He's a great character who gets sucked off by fans and, quite frankly, the writers behind this game for all the wrong reasons. Which somewhat detracts from what a good character he actually is, because his being a lying suicidal simping bastard and the way he's fawned over by the audience and the endings creates a huge disconnect.

And it isn't that he's never called out for being a liar or a hypocrite in-game because HE IS, BUT in the end the game makes it clear that that's fine and treats the painted world and people as something that has little value and isn't worth acknowledgement compared to the Dessandre family and their personal problems
>but the painting wants to die too
How convenient. The ending does all it can to remove all nuance and it baffles me. But I still feel attached to Lumiere and the painted characters so it feels like Verso's backstabbing nihilistic nature simply extends to the writers themselves (ironically) hence the lesson of accepting death even if it means taking the entire world down with you. This is an uplifting message, now clap

>>720334118
The endings do seem a bit biased towards Verso, but overall the game treats him well enough that I don't have an issue with it. At the end of the day, Maelle's ending is obviously the good ending, regardless of what the writers think.

>>720334118
>hence the lesson of accepting death even if it means taking the entire world down with you. This is an uplifting message, now clap
That's not the message of the endings. It's worse than that. The message is that only Alicia/Maelle matters.

>>720334118
When the demiurge wants to stop creating, unfortunately that's beyond you. It's clear that they wanted you to feel the loss of the painted world, Sciel and Lune are RIGHT THERE being the most betrayed people ever.

>>720337635
>When the demiurge wants to stop creating, unfortunately that's beyond you
He only wanted to do that when Verso manipulated him into wanting that

>>720338625
Every time you meet him he's on the fence and you have to urge him to continue or not at all.

>>720338940
You don't have to urge him into doing jackshit. The only one that had to urge someone into doing something was Verso, the master manipulator that is a lying piece of shit in the entire game. Verso is a great written character because he fooled you.

>>720334118
>the game makes it clear
You're putting too much of what's in your head into the writers' hands.

>>720334425
>regardless of what the writers think.
They seem to be pretty neutral. I don't really see how 1 sad boy vs genocide and physical suffering for Alicia is in favor of the sad boy, but I know I'm in the minority for that one.

>>720339248
>saves his sister and mother
>saves versoul
>BUT THE TWO REMAINING PEOPLE
3 v 2. Everyone else was either already dead or going with Verso's plan.

>>720329864 (OP)
I could take him AND Ben Starr.

>>720329864 (OP)
Mid villain, would only replay the game with a mod to remove him from every scene.

>>720329864 (OP)
love that manipulative cunt.

>>720339405
That pic is bullshit, picking Verso is the "true/good" end, picking Alicia is the Bad End. They wrote a shit story but that's what they wrote.

>>720329864 (OP)
not a very well written character from a writing and dialogue standpoint but definitely entertaining regardless of how shallow he and the rest of the cast are.

>>720340107
>"villain"

>>720334062
This doesn't bother me at all desu

>>720334425
>At the end of the day, Maelle's ending is obviously the good ending

LOL no. If they make a direct sequel, you know they're going with Verso's ending.

>>720330401
because her face is hideous and there are plenty of other women that aren't permanently scarred that are also as ugly as alicia with less insecurities and baggage.

>>720339405
>we don't want the story to be cut and dry in terms of this is right, this is wrong
sounds like they completely fucking failed then because verso's end is obviously the correct ending to all well functioning adults not blinded by escapism.

>>720329864 (OP)
Yes, he's fascinating.

>>720329864 (OP)
He's hardly written in the first place.
Basically not even a character

>>720342572
that's lune.

>>720329864 (OP)
He's a miserable man who knows his life is nothing, but a cruel simulacrum and wishes nothing but to stop existing, and so, he manipulates, lies and sacrifices those close to him to end it all....he is not a good person, during his ending, Alissia returning to Paris and facing reality is a byproduct of his destructive nihilism, not the intended outome, hell, he even tells her she can paint something else and die there if she doesn't want to "suffer life".... he is in fact, very well written, and the fact he replaces the one who is supposed to be the Main Character and still manages to make a great impression is impresive

>>720329864 (OP)
Completely correct in his actions, of course.

>>720330135
That was a dumb book. Most people would torture for giggles or for $$$.

plant game

He was right and is more sympathetic than anyone in the game. You don't understand Verso's character because you're not capable of the sacrifices his character was able to do.

>>720329864 (OP)
My thoughts on verso are that it would've been nice if he'd been voiced by someone that actually had some talent and written by someone that actually knew how to write anything. Other than that, I feel like it'd be great if e33 threads had IP counts restored, I feel like it'd be really great for the health of the threads :)

>>720343978
I think you're confusing Renoir with Verso. As a parent, Renoir pretending that his daughter will stop being a junkie was sad as shit.

>>720344048
This post smells like curry. Assmad you're too brown to understand the game, Ramjeet?

>>720334118
>Kill countless innocents.
>Oh but these three random shmucks will have a slightly easier time processing a family members death.
>Writers have to use disingenuous techniques like scary music and black and white to make mass murder the “good” ending.
I guess this highlights the modern Western mindset of "fuck everyone else, got mine, no such thing as society". Now the west is falling because oh look at that, turns out Man is a social organism and once you inevitably run out of other people to throw under the bus there is no one left to keep you alive.

>>720334118
Verso not receiving consistent logical consequences from his actions and attitude diminishes his otherwise interesting character. It's part of the reason why I believe Lune and Sciel in Act III are completely different creations, and Maelle is completely dead, the Dessendre in her seeing her as nothing but memories from a dream, since she clearly doesn't give a shit beyond creating a paradise where she's not a burned cripple.

>>720341168
That aren't horrifically wealthy and powerful, with the ability to give you literally whatever you want.

>>720344203
>countless innocents
Two people, several gestral (murderhobos) and grandis (okay with anything).

>>720331979
I expected him to die at some point, just not after the third dungeon in the game's first act. It was actually pretty surprising that they killed off a character so early on that they'd spent the entirety of the preceding content building up as the determined, fairly flawed protagonist who overcame his flaws through sheer force of will and the drive to do right by the people he cares about

>>720345271
>Two people
Every Lumierian character in the game talks about the rest of the people in Lumiere as if they're just as realized and human as they are and we personally speak to tons of them in the intro sequence that are very clearly real people with real thoughts and emotions, there is no reason to think they aren't

>>720339524
>Everyone else was either already dead
Thanks to Verso's manipulations, yes. Or you think I forgot that Verso was the one that purposefully hid the truth from them and in fact wanted Gustave dead to make sure that they'd go through with making the mass gommage?

Also, Maelle was able to bring Lune and Sciel back, and we find out she can bring back Gustave, Pierre, etc. If someone can be brought back to life and you make sure to destroy the way of having that happen, then you killed them a second time.

>>720330101
>like none of his weapons having abilities and most of his skill tree being closed off.
To be fair I thought Gustave was going to have his character moment and unlock more shit

>>720344141
nta but that's actually the whitest post i've seen on this board this week unironically

>>720344663
>It's part of the reason why I believe Lune and Sciel in Act III are completely different creations
This is simply not consistent with Sciel's backstory continuing uninterrupted and consistent from Act 2 to 3.

>>720347396
Sure, they are real people. They're real people that died when Renoir hit the reset button and Alicia didn't even gather their chroma. They're gone.

>>720345220
if she can't have whatever she wants what makes you think she'll give you whatever you want?

>>720330512
The other 10% kills them when it happens

>>720347960
So Verso purposefully manipulated the events to make that happen. He's a piece of shit. What are you arguing about?

Why is Clea so desliciously evil

>>720329864 (OP)
He's well introduced and the mystery surrounding him makes him a compelling character, but it's just that the game turns into family drama in chapter 3 and it makes everything else feel irrelevant. It was obviously the right move because the ending generated alot of discussion and gave the game staying power but I can't help but feel disappointed by how the cool world and premise basically amounted to nothing. Maelle and what's left of E33 reaching the paintress isn't even a big achievement considering Maelle is basically a divinity in this world and even then another expedition already managed that feat before so it can't be a called a first ever. When you think about it, it's essentially "it was all a dream bro" but without the emotional impact of something like A Link's Awakening or FFX because everyone is already dead and every major character is a selfish cunt that acts only in self interest. I believe the presentation carries the game hard because if it had anime aesthetics it would have been seen as derivative weebshit by the unwashed masses.

>>720329898
This probs.

>>720347960
How exactly did Alicia restore them all perfectly, Gustave included, in her ending then?

>>720344203
personally besides versos scrimblos no one else is even supposed to be in the painting. the biggest sacrifice at the end is the scrimblos but an artist has the right to destroy their own work

>>720344203
before the black and white part of maelles ending it already felt like a bad ending. the ending honestly felt bad as soon as renoir let maelle go. the fact verso gives you the option to go "wait renoirs right" was a great choice.

>>720339323
Watch the endings again.

>his axon has the game's coolest cutscene
>nearly drops the title of the game
yeah I'm thinking he's based

>>720349434
>Your birth was an accident and a mistake, so it doesn't matter if you die.

>>720329864 (OP)
Only character to ever replace a beloved protagonist ala Raiden or Abby and still win over everyone's hearts by the end. I hated this suave fucker when he showed up over Gustave's corpse. By the end credits I'd taken his side against that evil bitch Alicia pretending she was Maelle and just wanted him to be free. Honestly though every character was great.

>>720330135
We already live off the back of slave labor for most of our goods buddy boyo

>>720350249
>I got manipulated like a bitch
Good for you. Wasn't the case for many others, though.

Why does everyone have to die as well though?
It's like committing suicide but using a nuke instead of rope

>>720350612
Because I am le tired

>>720330202
>his little boy barely has a sentience and free will.
What proof do we have of that?

>>720352053
If he has free will and he supposedly wanted to stop painting, then why didn't he stop painting?

>>720350468
>I enjoyed a generational game with a diverse cast of well written characters
Hell yeah. Luckily I'm not a miserable faggot like you or else I couldn't enjoy anything.

>>720352284
Yeah, Verso is an extremely well written character in a well written game. He's a manipulative bitch and you failed the IQ test by siding with him.

>>720352189
He was pressured to by his painted family. He's also probably a childhood manifestation of Verso forcing himself to paint despite not liking it because his family wants him to. Hence why he keeps doing something that hurts him and why he pines over his sister who was the only one that made painting bearable every time you interacted with him

>>720352189
Clearly Aline's fault for wandering in there crying and drawing a little grief cope town. The only thing that cheered him up was Renoir later coming in and trying to tear the whole painting apart, but when Alicia kicks him out its back to sad drawing and longing for oblivion

>>720352452
>Play linear game
>Given two options
>Either the evil demigod possessing the corpse or her painted self to rule unchecked in her zombie play land
>Or the guy who just wants to die and has exhausted every other option up until that point
Alicia's ending is far more tragic and kino from a writing perspective, but choosing to side with her morally over Verso is solely the retard choice.

>>720352557
>why he pines over his sister who was the only one that made painting bearable every time you interacted with him
I don't follow. Child Verso didn't draw for Alicia, he drew and adventured along with Clea. There is also no evidence the "canvas soul" wasn't depressed back then, too. Maybe it was always a sad sack and all the family drama was just a convenient excuse to check out.

I wonder how many other works of art secretly want to destroy themselves?

>>720352557
>He was pressured to by his painted family
No, he wasn't. Nothing in the game indicates this.
>He's also probably a childhood manifestation of Verso forcing himself to paint despite not liking it because his family wants him to
Except Verso loved the painting and was constantly playing there of his own volition, so this makes no sense.
>>720352571
It's true that Verso's soul doesn't like all the fucking around in the painting that is happening like the shattering, but hey, you know what's a good solution to that? No longer having god fights there and nevrons. Rather than erasing the whole thing.

Soul Verso only stops painting when Painted Verso, whos defining trait in this game is being a lying manipulator, convinces him to.

>>720352703
>Play linear game
>Given two options
>Either erase from existence every single character you've known in this game except three, including all but one of your main party
>Or don't
Versofags are psychotic.

>muh zombieland
Yeah, Sciel and Lune were so zombie like in the last act. Lune feeling betrayed when Verso lied to her yet again was a very zombie like reaction. Sciel's backstory? So zombie!

Loved him, I'd basically do the same at that point.
And mind you, Alicia pushed him into ending the canvas, psycho bitch.

>>720329864 (OP)
Very
Too mad trannies much like irl like to live in a made up fantasy land and can never understand why he is the only right choice.

>>720347396
You’re the kind of person who marries ChatGPT.

>>720352921
>Verso
>Psychotic
Yeah, pushed there by Alicia, you silly retard. He is the correct choice because choosing her is worse.
>Zombie
Correct. The world is dead by the time Alicia and Verso fight and she creates a whole new batch to play house.

>>720329864 (OP)
>Is he well written?
It's the DM's unreliable narrator NPC. No he is not well written. E33 is *almost* well written, but in the end they just couldn't seal the deal. The fell into the typical JRPG trope of "start out strong, but pull some bullshit out of your asshole at the very end because you aren't actually a good writer and then pretend it's actually deep when it isn't"

>>720354468
Verso should have just sucked it up, play the piano and impregnate Lune without crying about it

>>720329864 (OP)
Yes, but the story introduces it in an incompetent way.
The story is massively broken in that game. A pity because the rest is good

>>720329898
unironically

>>720354568
You're half right, but calling him "not well written" just because the ending fumbles a bit is peak surface-level take. Verso’s arc is coherent all the way through-it’s about control, the loss of identity, and self-destruction sold as mercy. E33 being "almost" well written proves the writers knew their themes, they just didn’t trust the audience to get it without hammering in ANGST mode dialed to 11.

Also, it's not "bullshit out of your asshole" when the setup for Painted Memories collapsing has been foreshadowed since Chapter 3. You just didn’t pay attention, anon. Let me guess, skipped the bedtime stories, didn’t you?

>>720329920
Pretty much the right answer. Well written, and I wish the worst outcome imaginable for him.

>>720358471
You are why no one likes E33 cultists.

I didn't skip anything. I got and read every journal. I paid attention to every item placed anywhere in the game. I probably understand the story, references, symbolism, homages, and "reflections" more than you do. It's possible to completely understand the ending the game very VERY explicitly info dumps 90% of everything onto you and still think it's bullshit, but E33 cultists just aren't ready to have that conversation.

>>720358856
Someone can disagree with your takes and not be a "cultist", anon. For hating extremists as you claim to do, you are prone to go equally full retard.
And no, I am not that guy.

>>720360441
>Someone can disagree with your takes and not be a "cultist", anon.
Of course then can. However, if someone who disagrees with my takes must say "you didn't understand the story which is very explicitly info dumped on you nearly all at the same time in Act III" makes him a cultist. The thing that makes someone as cultist is their inability to say "your opinion differs from mine, but it is valid". No, instead the E33 cultists say "your opinion is different than mine, that means you didn't play the game, and if you did play it, you somehow did not understand it". I hope you see the difference. It's interesting that you jumped to his defense though, when his argument was "you must have skipped everything if you don't agree with me"

>And no, I am not that guy.
Doubtful, but possible.