Thread 720331095

What are the downsides of PC gaming?

>>720331095 (OP)
porn is always a click away and i never game cause of it

>>720331095 (OP)
High cost of entry, more broken most of the time on average, have to wait for timed exclusives, PC lacks soul, etc, etc.

>>720331095 (OP)
Having to use windows>>720331095 (OP)

>>720331095 (OP)
Occasionally you may need to do some fiddling to make older games run.
Contrary to what console fanboys blow out of proportion most modern games just run and only games that may need fixes or fiddling are bad ports on release.
Also because there are many different GPUs as opposed to just one on consoles most modern PC games require a shader compilation once per run or driver update.

>>720331095 (OP)
A major turn off for the women. Unless you want them to run away you at least need a PS5 somewhere in your home.

GPUs drop like 12% in resale value every year, whereas something like a Switch and Switch games you can sell at almost retail price 8 years down the line.

>>720331095 (OP)
Cheating is the 1# issue I face as a PC player
>inb4 don't play multiplayer games
Literally, who asked? it is an issue whether you ignore it or not is up yo you but there's no denying that.

>Sitting on an office chair and being forced to always have a ready stance
While playing on consoles is feasible just by sitting in a couch and holding a controller from a distance. Now you could do this on PC but you have to buy more accessories to make the experience as comfortable as consoles.

>Prone to more crashes and bugs
Nvidia keeps shitting out shitty drivers recently. Every UE game needs to poorly compile shaders which doesn't happen often in consoles.

Nigger devs hiding the splitscreen options for no reason.

>>720331095 (OP)
You are either rich and can play games or you are poor and can only play old ass games.
No in between

>game works fine
>suddenly starts bugging out for no reason.
>check online, not happening to anyone else
>ask on discord, ignored
>restart/reinstall/delete config files
>nothing
im fucking raging over here.

>>720331528
Yeah,Tyrone,your single mom of 5 junkie gf probably looks at your stolen ps5 and goes "SHIEEEEEET DIS DE NEW APPLE CONSOLE,ITS EVEN WHITE"

>>720331095 (OP)
easier to get distracted
>>720331594
>Now you could do this on PC but you have to buy more accessories to make the experience as comfortable as consoles.
meh no accessories can make using windows from a couch comfortable
its simply not made for it

>>720331208
Pc does not have to pay for online multiplayer.
Also games are usually cheaper on sale especially in bundles such as humble bundle.
And there is also Piracy i guess. Although games are usually so cheap on sale and my backlog is so big that i dont even pirate anymore.

>>720331636
You can olay games with just a steam deck/some gaming laptop rhen include a switch 2 and a ps5 for the rest of the 5 games, there now tou can game for under 1500,damn that was like 2 months of saving

>>720331602
This. It's not so much a problem now, but back in the day when every game had a co-op mode it felt like it was always absent from the PC port.

>>720331602
>hiding
Disabled altogether for a lot of games. Borderlands comes to mind.

I found that people who have issues running games on PC usually dont have updated drivers or have heavy bottleneck issues because they buy a 5090 gpu bu cheap out on all the other components.
PCs are superior to consoles in most ways but they are unfortunately not retardproff.
Consoles basically force driver updates down your throat and because PCs usually dont most people still use outdated drivers.

>>720331875
Buy a better CPU.
I rarely ever wait more than 3 minutes for shader compilations and i even undervolted my CPU so it never goes past 80C.

>>720331095 (OP)
Aside from the price, it's just not and never will be user friendly like consoles, and that's a huge turnoff for a lot of people.

All kind of driver issues, hardware conflicts, random shit that can appear seemingly out of nowhere due to a random update that take hours to troubleshoot. PC enthusiasts don't even think twice of this because they are so used to dealing with this shit, they don't even notice or recognise it. These people fail to understand that normal people will NEVER want to deal with any of this shit, not even a fraction of this shit just to play games.

>>720331875
Wait until you play an unoptimized Unreal game that compiles shaders in real time like an emulator. Borderlands 4 will release in 15 hours, the discourse around the performance should be interesting.

>>720331875
Speaking of shaders, how come consoles don't need shaders but emulating Switch does?

You become incapable of realizing that if consoles die, smartphones will hold back gaming instead.

Downsides are that you have to become very familiar with dosbox (or any of the forks) and dgvoodoo2 to play all the best games.

>>720332140
Devs compile shaders for each console because they all share the same components.

>>720331095 (OP)
Suffering from too many options, there are simply too many games to play.

>>720331095 (OP)
CONS:
>More cheaters
>Games more likely to be unoptimized, no matter how good your rig is
>Some titles remain console exclusive forever
>Older games sometimes require a lot of fan patches/digging to get operational
>No physical games if you're into collecting
>High cost of entry

PROS:
>Mods and modding games in general can be fun
>Optimized games are going to perform much better than console if your rig is sufficient
>Emulation and piracy
>The best backwards compatibility on any platform
>You can always burn games on to CDs/Blurays if you want to make a faux-collection
>You don't have to pay to use the internet for online games and PC games have great discounts often
>You also have the freedom to use mouse & keyboard, or a selection of any other controllers of your preference (Xbox, Sony, Nintendo, etc.)

>>720331095 (OP)
The best benefit of PC, choice, is also its biggest downside. How do you pick what you want to play today when you have literal thousands of masterpiece tier games to play at your fingertips? It is not a platform for the indecisive.

>>720331095 (OP)
having to use windows.

>>720332645
>>720332872
Oversaturation is a real a thing. Consoles having less options and more expensive prices is unironically in their benefit.

>>720331095 (OP)
Freedom, also it's biggest benefit.
If you limit a consoles library and options, it just werks as devs do the heavy lifting of compatibility. This is convenient, and fun, but I cannot mod and I cannot play old games.

>>720332610
Ah, that explains it simply. I'm kinda jelly actually.

>>720331095 (OP)
the operating system fighting against you every step of the way

>>720331095 (OP)
honestly? having to deal with windows and microsoft's kike bullshit, we need valve to save gaming from microkike

>>720331095 (OP)
You're responsible for maintaining your computer and adjusting settings to get the game running smoothly.
A non-issue if you know how to computer.

>>720332962
I spend minimum 1-2 hours each day (that I game) trying to decide what I'm going to play. There are just too many choices and they're all fun. Luckily at least narrowing it down between multiplayer/co-op and single-player is easy and cuts my list in half because I can just ask my wife if she wants to rooty tooty point n shooty or co-op and if that's a no then I only have to decide between several hundred single-player games I wanna play.
Seriously though genuinely trying to decide what to play between eight (8) different single player games I want to play right now. That or go lay on the sofa and play DK on Switch 2.

>>720332992
>>720332140
you can also skip shader compiling on pc if the game uses vulkan. the shaders can be shared thanks to spirv. if you remember the days of when /v/ used to emulate botw and xeno x on cemu the way to play was to share shaders with each other or get it from reddit or some emu wiki.

>>720333270
this site for cemu shaders is also still up if you want to skip compiling
https://chriztr.github.io/cemu_shader_and_pipeline_caches/

>>720331095 (OP)
Pros:
>biggest library of games
>best performance
>best graphics
>best peripherals
Cons:
>makes gaming on anything else feel terrible, like you're playing on garbage hardware that barely works

A recent problem is AI slop, instead of playing vidya you will be in the AI slop circle of hell.

Online you deal with a LOT of faggots, and more cheaters

>>720333325
Hmm no Fire Emblem Engage

>>720331095 (OP)
Consoles will look like complete shit in comparison.

>>720331095 (OP)
Bought a fancy new 240hz ultrawide monitor?
Too bad, that game's locked at 16:9 30.

>>720333446
its probably hidden away on some emu discord. but yeah most emulators these days use vulkan so the shaders can be shared if someone else is playing it and they upload their cache. kinda like steam cache download for vulkan titles.

>>720331095 (OP)
If you're not a retard, not much?

>>720332872
i usually just play whatever i feel like at the moment. or if not i just fallback to DRG or Helldivers

>Windows update
>Have to use regedit to turn off all the spyware again
>Random settings I wont realize for hours changed, like default sound or mic device
>"Would you like to update all your personal info/porn to onedrive?"
>*Bricks SSD*

Just a few of the issues, Steam OS cant come soon enough

There is no great way to play it on the couch. You'll need to make a tweak eventually, or you'll get an update or whatever. It's just not practical to never use a keyboard with a computer.

>>720331095 (OP)
Can't think of one.

Repairs are expensive.

>>720331095 (OP)
Money, but you may save In the long run with piracy.

>>720331208
If I were to build a PC today, I would buy used parts from 5 years ago. There are no new games worth buying top of the line parts for.

>>720331095 (OP)
KBM is too simple and accurate and turns FPS games into grindfests. Everyone being equally bad with a controller makes for more fun gaming. You may hate it, but it's true.

>>720331095 (OP)
The occasional update that'll break something and then having to fiddle with shit to get it working again.
There's the issue with rampant cheating on PC as well which makes anything multi-player nigh unplayable.
It's also more difficult to optimize for due to the many different configurations which means dogshit ports.

>>720331095 (OP)
Mouselook didn't exist before the early 90s, so you're going to have a fun time getting around in ancient games

>>720333270
SPIRV still has to be lowered to GPU machine code, anon. It's just faster to convert to machine code.

I bought a portable monitor, wireless mouse/keyboard, and can now game while comfy in my bed. My portable monitor has a single cable connected into it, as the usb-c port has signal/power.

>>720331974
>more than 3 minutes for shader compilations
>He thinks 3 minutes is acceptable.

>>720334172
Repairs are cheap, what are you talking about? You're not taking your stuff to a best buy or something and having them charge you a $200 service fee, right? You are just swapping out the dead component or hell, even swapping out dead ICs using a soldering iron or heatgun, right?

>>720334565
That's expensive.

>>720334380
is 1080p still viable in 2025?

>>720331095 (OP)
ngl I switched to PC gaming and it feels kind of soulless. On consoles or handhelds I felt like I own the game because of the cartridge or disc and that made me put more effort in things like 100% completion. On PC it's just a save file in a folder and feels less special.

>>720334721
grow up

>>720332961
>having to
Take the linuxpill, seriously.
The time is finally here.
t. PC player since the MSX days that only changed to linux in july.

inb4
>BUT MY KERNEL ANTICHEATS
there are a few workarounds if you really want to play with this shit, but it will require some good knowledge

>>720331095 (OP)
Windows. That's it really.
Thank God for the growing Linux support.

>>720333270
>get it from
go back

>>720334759
He's right though. PC gaming doesn't feel like gaming. It feels like experimental benchmarking for games. A console is where you get the gaming experience. Always will be that way.

>>720334668
Mine is 1440p and 16 inches. It was like 50 bux, and is max comfy.

>>720334668
On a 15.6" display? Yes.
On anything bigger? Fuck no.
By 22" you should be at 4K. 24"? 4.5K. 27"? 5K. 32" 6K. 36" 8K.

>>720331095 (OP)
The complete lack of Splitscreen multiplayer. Windows/Steam support eight controllers but no PC game has splitscreen.
The most popular PC-exclusive games always indies with SNES-like graphics.
Trobleshooting is a pain because nobody know if the problem is the game, drivers or your hardware

>>720331095 (OP)
>stuck on windows 10 which crashes every few days and will require you to pay $30 and double that each year just to stay on the platform
>or windows 11 which kills your SSD and spies on you

>>720331095 (OP)
I honestly don't know, my CPU fan is kind of annoying to hook back up I guess? I've been PC gaming since 2020 and most of the "downsides" like troubleshooting or patching are overblown.

>>720335243
>and spies on you
10 did the exact same shit. It uploads a screenshot every minute automatically. This was known day 1 and why (You) swore you'd never upgrade from Windows 7, but here (You) are.

>>720335243
Nevermind it's $61 not $30 for extended support.

>>720335243
Just pirate LTSC, nigga. Free updates until 2032.

>>720335340
I don't let copilot stay on w10.

>>720335202
Bro a casual web search will prove you wrong

>>720335340
Honestly, if you didn't switch to Linux when the abomination that was Windows 8 came out, you're a cuck and deserve your fate.

>>720335384
Even prior to copilot. There's numerous videos using wireshark that prove a screenshot is uploaded to Microsoft on a clean 10 install every minute unless you fuck with a bunch of group policy settings.

>>720335109
>He's right though
You need to grow up too.

>>720335463
So youre saying that as a gamer, you never have the urge to sit down and enjoy a game the way it was intended and be immersed?

>>720335289
I've been PC gaming since 1997 and if anybody made a console that could actually play games at high end settings I'd pay $5000+ for it today because I'm so sick of every PC game being a mess.

>>720335513
>I'm so sick of every PC game being a mess
Last game I played was E33 and it ran fine and my PC isn't even close to high end

>>720331095 (OP)
Having no interest in anything else.

>>720335665
Every UE4/5 game stutters and cannot be fixed on PC. They don't stutter on PS5/SeX but are limited to 30fps and low graphics settings. I'd pay $5000 for a PS5/SeX that could play the game at the equivalent of High 60fps PC settings and not have stuttering.

>>720335783
Thats not true. MGS Delta runs at close to 60 on PS5 and SH2 did as well

>>720335502
I do that on PC.

>>720335783
>Every UE4/5 game stutters
>Every
False

>>720331528
being real, men having fun and enjoying things in general is a turn off for women.
they want you to work 7 days a week 18h a day so they can sit around and do nothing.

>>720335863
>False
True. If you don't notice it, you're slow.

>>720335783
There are UE games that run fine. Persona 5 Reload comes to mind.

>>720335828
>MGS Delta runs at close to 60 on PS5
>close to 60

>>720331095 (OP)
it costs like 5 trillion dollars to build a pc capable of running UE5 games at 720p 60fps

>>720336027
You laugh but its about how well a 5070 would run it at equivalent settings, anon.

>>720331095 (OP)
>downsides
You can't go back to consoles once you try it. Too many exclusives and ports working in 60+ fps.

>>720331528
1. Most women think videogames in general are ick
2. It filters out the basic bitches. The ones who prioritize 'things' like "PlayStation 5" or "iPhone 17". The custom PC you built isn't a 'thing'.

>>720336069
>its about how well a 5070 would run it at equivalent settings
not really

>>720331275
I find it funny that the greatest menace to your computer currently comes not from a malware that you may stumble upon while browsing the internet, but from windows updates.

>>720336102
>he unironically uses a launcher even for emulators
lmao

>>720336069
A 5070 is like 3x faster than a ps5 in just raster before an upscale

>>720336163
It ain't 1300 dollars better thats for sure

>>720336298
A 5070 is currently $500, msrp of $550

>>720334084
I disagree with this. I have found that I don't have much use to move over to the couch, despite the option. I do it sometimes though. I only ever have to get back up if I'm switching games, except not in Steam or Retroarch. Not a huge ask.

>>720331528
Only if she's already settling for you in the first place.

>>720336374
Why then, in the real world application, is it in an 1800 dollar build? thats what a 5070 comes out to in real terms. Because a 120fps device(PS5) comes out to 549.

It's not foolproof. A little expensive to get started, especially when you're starting from zero and need to get monitors and a mouse and keyboard. Aside--games crash, the PC will crash, and sometimes that will be incredibly inconvenient. You'll have to tinker around and sometimes things will just be out of your hands. Plenty of games on Steam, for example, that you can buy--but don't work without some DIY. Like Max Payne. It doesn't require a herculean effort to get games going but it's not plug and play either.

and of course on a console, games will crash sometimes too--but about 1000x less. Placement and access is key with a PC, too. I built my first PC (still going strong baby!!) in Winter 2020 and for years had it at a desk in my basement, and I did use it--just not much. It sucked to be in my basement. I moved my PC into my living room in like, December 2023 and that's where things really took off. I ended up putting a bluetooth card in my PC too and ran a big long HDMI cable under my living room floor to the back of my TV, which I thought was the magic bullet at first--and my kids do use my PC like that sometimes--but at this point I only really use that to watch movies without having to bother with troubleshooting Plex. It took me years to embrace it as a gaming device but now it's the only thing I ever use, really, and it's great. Between Steam and GOG and a MAME romset and Duckstation and Retroarch, god it's a video game paradise. But I also have worked off this PC at multiple different jobs and have gone to college for a long time on it. I also write on it, do photoshop projects, video, some audio--there's 10,000,000 things to do with a PC. If the ONLY thing you have in mind is games, idk, it's still a strong maybe. But that's just the icing on the cake. I can't imagine I'll ever go back though. Not without its faults and warts, but it is awesome in the end. My 2070 is still rocking and rolling.

>>720336481
>Why then, in the real world application, is it in an 1800 dollar build
It's not. A midrange build with a 5070 is going to be like $1000

>>720334084
>There is no great way to play it on the couch
step one: plug hdmi cable into tv
step two: turn on steam big picture mode
step three: play

>>720336573
Midrange by average, I guess, but I don't really get the point of cheaping out on every single component except the GPU. I'd sooner buy better components and put a GPU that is a gen or two older in. Plus there's no way that pricetag is thinking about monitors and KB+M, which is a few hundo even if you don't buy anything special.

>>720331095 (OP)
Having to use Windows

>>720331095 (OP)
Bad performance because the devs don't know what specs to optimize for because they don't know the exact specs your PC will be using in relation to knowing the exact specs consoles will use.

>>720336573
A 5070 in a 1k build wouldnt even beat a ps5 then though

>>720336705
Let's be real, the devs don't know how to optimize anyways. They're all using Unreal or Unity and vibeGPT.

>>720336747
The PS5 is just a souped up PS4 Pro with a fast SSD in it. It's really nothing special. If you have anything past a 2060 with an SSD, you're at PS5 or above.

>>720331095 (OP)
After you build a PC you stop playing games and end up just browsing the web mostly and watching youtube videos. I went from ps4 and playing with my friends all the time cause they were all also on ps4 to building my own PC for the first time and now I just shit post on this website and watch YouTube most of the day. I also pirate stuff and occasionally use stablediffusion but mostly just 4chan youtube and other random computer stuff. I barely play games anymore

>>720336796
I remember launch year my 2060s seemed to be outperforming the Ps5 but as the years went out it seems like the Ps5 started performing better.

One weird thing about becoming a PC guy is I actually prefer gaming on a smaller screen now, I had never realized that before. I don't feel like even modern games are at their best on 75" TVs.

>>720331095 (OP)
you can shitpost on the internet instead of playing games

>>720336796
A 2060 doesnt really perform like a PS5 in the real world though. 2060 cant even really hit 120fps in Call of duty for instance

>>720331675
What game

>>720336680
>I guess, but I don't really get the point of cheaping out on every single component except the GPU
$1000 assumes not going ghetto but not maxing everything out. Like an i5 +650w psu + 1tb ssd.
Monitors are way cheaper than tv's so...
if you insist on a mechanical keyboard, good news, chinks made those cheap too.

>>720336747
5070 is literally 3x just in raster. PS5 is a cutdown 6700M

Having to use Windows
Linux Proton/Wine spaghetti rarely works without some issue

>>720336858
I have a 2070 Super and my PS5 is definitely a cut above, but it's very negligible. Ultimately I'm pitting a machine that is pretty good at running Spider-Man 2 against a machine that is pretty good at running tens of thousands of games.

>>720336895
That doesnt equal real world performance though. In the real world, it doesnt really outdo the PS5 much if at all. PC is all on paper stuff

>>720336873
fixed it! :D
....apparently the game has a "power saving" mode in the game itself

>>720336685
Windows (10) is based though

>>720336960
>That doesnt equal real world performance though
Well prove it then. What kind of crazy optimization would they even be doing on consoles now? They're using like customized laptop parts

>>720337026
>wintoddler stockholm syndrome finally evolved to include W10
lmao

>>720336003
They're an exception rather than the rule. The defaults of UE all these retarded western devs build their games with are absolutely insane

>>720331208
>PC lacks soul
But so is everything modern.
Don't pretend that fagbox, fagstation or fisherprice tablet has soul

>>720337147
nice revisionism, no one had any issues with w10 after the first couple updates

>>720336869
Sure, that's just kind of a weird comparison. An unbelievably bloated console-first FPS game runs better on a PS5 than on a GPU from 6 years ago. I play Call of Duty on my PC sometimes but it's hardly my only concern. And it works fine. Getting brand new big stinky AAAA games to run at crazy high ultra settings on PC is for dolts who are addicted to spending money, and an exercise in futility on top of that--let me build the worlds most current and OP rig so I can brute force running poorly optimized games. I treat my PC like I treat my 2006 Mercury Milan with 215K on it: Poorly. I'm running both of these babies into the ground. With a smile on my face.

>>720331095 (OP)
1. Windows. Linux is getting better but is still only an option on game basis, some games will run like shit or not at all no matter what
2. The money barrier, at least when you start
3. Knowledge barrier, is amazing to see how a lot of retards, either poor or rich, get filtered when a game doesn't run well ootb or when they have to deal with GPU or controller drivers
4. Bad ports

>>720336216
Not that guy, but lutris is useful purely because it's trivial to add new entries to it by just dumping a yaml file in a folder and then it can automatically generate shorctuts in Steam for big picture mode
So those emulator shortcuts are likely more for convenience of management than anything

>>720337186
Actually xbox series s has plenty soul

>>720337186
It really doesn't though. You can build it yourself. Put fun stickers on the case. Get fun wallpapers. Get a fun keyboard--maybe even with custom keycaps! ooh boy. Get a mouse pointer set that looks like Pikachu. Run Otaclock. It's very comfy. My PS5 is the same as everyone elses, right down to the avatars Sony has had since the PS3. Haze guy, anyone? Plus my sticks drift.

What gamepad do you anons like for your PCs? I really like my PS4 pads but sometimes I think about getting an Xbox controller just so all the glyphs are correct all the time. I never had an Xbox so whenever a game is like "Press B!" I'm always confused.

>>720331095 (OP)
The main one is really just portability, but you can get an 'eck now.

>>720331675
alternatively
>install game
>play, runs fine
>next day
>play, runs like ass/CTD on startup
>nothing has been changed, game just wont run anymore

>>720335243
So install linux and proton

>>720337312
I'm just using an Xbox One pad because I'm too lazy to get anything else
I wish I was using something with symmetrical sticks but my PS5 pad's sticks have turned into glue. Fuck rubberized coatings.

>>720337427
It's weird how fickle PCs can be sometimes. When I built my first PC I troubleshooted endlessly because shit would crash all the time, especially Cities: Skylines. Nothing I did seemed to work. but over time....things seemed to smooth out. Once in a while a GPU update would be really shit though and fuck everything up.

>>720337026
>Windows (bloated slop) is le heckin bused though

>>720337427
never happened to me unless I pirated the game and windows defender blocked a file

>>720331095 (OP)
setting it all up
dealing with windows bullshit
generally i think a couch is more comfortable than an office chair

>>720337462
asymmetrical sticks are superior and you'll have that realization once you return to playstation slop pads

>>720331095 (OP)
Too much expendable income for drugs from not paying for games