Thread 720359504

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCA8fhNCYzg
After watching the new gameplay footage, I was disappointed that there was only ONE (1) new enemy shown that's also a variation of an already existing enemy.
Don't tell me the 10 or so new enemy types they had in the demo will be all that we'll be getting and everything else will be from Nioh 1/2?
How do you spend 5 years on a game with tons of recycled assets and only make 10 new enemies?

>>720359504 (OP)
It will be a massive flop along with ng4 and will be the final nail to the coffin for tn

>>720359568
We can only hope

>>720359504 (OP)
Lmao what are graphics and animation?
Even gacha games have better production value

>>720359504 (OP)
oh look its the ninja game where you can't jump or swim die in one hit and take 10k hits to kill a trash mob
how exciting!

>>720360081
But you can jump in 3 and jump off enemies and be in the air for a long time actually.

>>720360024
Without sounding like a retard explain what's wrong with the animations.

>>720360081
>can't jump
>die in one hit
>take 10k hits to kill a trash mob
oh look it's yet another dumbass who has no idea what he's talking about but feels the need to shit out his uninformed take

The tonfa drop gives you a samurai skill point but everything else points to it being ninja only, are they dumb?

>>720360603
What if it's not ninja only?

>>720360656
The fact no samurai version drops in the gameplay, doubt they would disable specifically the samurai version

>samurai style
>ninja style
But no Onmyoji style? Lame.

>>720360709
Will be in the DLC bwo

>>720360709
I barely see the point of a ninja style at all, onymoji would be even dumber, bad enough they're putting spells behind soul cores

>>720360697
The person playing this is a retard
He never ki flux, never counter, run past every enemies and plays it like dark souls

>>720360782
>I barely see the point of a ninja style at all
It's an obvious gimmick, but they aren't going all-out with the concept of vocation switching.

>>720359504 (OP)
I love Nioh 1 and 2. Makes me sad that Nioh 3 is DoA. The end-game grind is what kept me playing until the final difficulty, then underworld, then underworld depths. Since Nioh 3 won't have anything like that (lukewarm NG+ at most) I don't see myself enjoying this for as long as I did Nioh 2.

>>720360945
>Since Nioh 3 won't have anything like that
Have the devs confirmed that?

>>720360709
Don't worry Onmyobro, by Nioh 4 we will be a whirling tornado of death and particle effects, shouting "SAMUR-NINJA-ONMY-SAMU-ON-NIN-ONMYO-SAM" as we switch between all styles to spam their abilities off cooldown

>>720360972
Ronin didn't have any good end-game and like 2 piss tier new sets on NG+. Since Nioh 3 is very much closer to Ronin than the previous games I don't see why they wouldn't do the same thing.

>>720361054
It isn't at all though, the open zones are structured like nioh levels and there's traditional enclosed missions on top of that, it also has niohs loot system. Have you looked at anything about this game?

>>720361054
>different game didn't have this feature so that means that this game which is a sequel to the games that had it also won't have it
ah... i see

>>720361054
If you played the alpha you would not say that. It plays nothing like Ronin. Even the "open world" is completely different to how Rise of the Ronin did it and feels more like a massive Nioh level than anything else.

>>720361120
>>720361128
>>720361151
I trust my eyes, if you have evidence that Nioh 3 will have endgame as deep as Nioh 2, feel free to show me. If not, I'll assume it'll be like the last game they released.

Why are so many anons so fucking desperate for this game to be bad/unsuccessful? I swear some of you niggers are trying to make it into the next Concord. It's just a fun, uncontroversial looter slasher game, nothing more.

>>720361249
You trust your eyes which have seen nothing. You are just spouting nonsense for no reason.

>>720361249
Did you say this when Nioh 2 launched without the underworld lol

>>720360945
You will have traditional underground mode in 3, map will be like chalice dungeon from bloodborne or bbi from dragon's dogma dark arisen

>>720361249
You're blind

>>720361327
Nioh 2 launched with everything for me nigga.

>>720361338
Source?

>>720361249
Your eyes are retarded then

>>720361378
Well good thing nioh 3 will also have one ng+ and gear sets then

>>720360945
>Makes me sad that Nioh 3 is DoA.
Based on what dummy.

>>720359568
NG4 and Nioh 3 will both be critically and commercially successful.

Doom posters will end up crying.

>>720361636
COPE
Both will FLOP and be SHIT

>>720361497
Source?

>>720361528
Based on the developer's previous game.

>>720361636
lol its dragon's dogma 2 all over again

>>720361756
You have retarded ass logic, did you expect Nioh 2 to be like marvel ultimate alliance because that was their previous game?

I'm sorry bros but I really did not want an open world nioh game. I could have gone for more in-depth levels but god fucking damnit they just had to make it open world. I liked games more when the backdrops were just scenery.

TN games only get good after DLCs, that's the sad truth. They get the bulk of challenging enemies in those and the remaining NG+ cycles for actual endgame and replayability. I love Nioh but those who actually enjoy the gameplay loop are getting only half a game on release

>>720361930
>Same engine
>Same movesets
>Similar setting
>Same combat (but better)
>Same open world that will be implemented in Nioh 3
>NOOO RONIN IS TOTALLY NOT AN INDICATION OF WHAT NIOH 3 WILL BE

>>720362063
>Same engine
>Same movesets
>Similar setting
>Same combat (but better)
NTA but this is a good thing and some things should never change

>>720361964
bro the levels in nioh 1 and nioh 2 are some of the worst in any souls games period, even indie slop.
If they move to more of the Wolong level design (minus the awful performance issues) it will be a massive improvement. That was my impression from the demo.

>>720362063
>Same engine
Ronin is on the same engine as Nioh 2

oh look its the ninja game with the big titties demons and furry spirits who want suck Williams dick
how exciting!

>>720361249
>endgame as deep as Nioh 2
Imagine willingly spending hundreds of hours on a repetitive dogshit lootslop treadmill. Grim

>>720362063
Makes sense you're dumb enough to think ronins combat is better than niohs haha

They peaked at Stranger of Paradise but fumbled the DLC enough to make the endgame less good than it should have been. Should've quit on that high note.

t. depths beater

Idk I really enjoyed the alpha. Spend a good 10 hours on it

>>720361054
Nioh 1 and 2 also had zero endgame content at launch. Way of the Strong (NG+) is super boring and offered nothing new except divine rarity gear (exact same as purple, but with stat bloat).

Actual endgame stuff was added with DLC’s, way of the demon, graces, underworld/abyss, way of the wise, way of the Nioh, more graces, upgraded set bonuses etc… the slow release made sense for Nioh 1, since there was no expectation, it was all new. But Nioh 2 copying exact same release schedule where endgame doesn’t exist until DLC was bizzare choice. Way of the Strong has no reason to exist, especially since you can level-scale Way of Samurai to be all on-level for you. Demon difficulty should’ve been first NG+ and included the new stuff from the start.

But they didn’t do that. And it looks like Nioh 3 is gonna do it for a third time.

>OH NO THE GAME IS JUST MORE OF THE SAME
fucking good
actual nioh fans hoped for exactly this
doomsissies and jaded contrarians will say this is a bad thing, because they want to project the failure of their own lives onto every single new thing people are looking forward to

I agree. Having that many difficulties was l unnecessary. Pointless bloat and a waste of time. They need to get to the point quicker in Nioh 3.

>>720361264
Their are huge swathes of CONQUERED spastics who shat their pants and screamed for weeks about getting raped by Onryoki back in 2016. They have never recovered.

>>720362523
Actual Nioh fans will have played Wo Long and Rise of the Ronin and know what's coming, which is to say mediocrity. They lost their spark. Rise of the Ronin literally has "you can pet the cat" baked into the game. TN is dead.

What's with the excessive doom posting regarding TN games itt? It would make sense if they've shown nothing but all they've shown so far is looking very good. Both NG4 and Nioh3.

>>720362667
Wo Long and Ronin aren't called "Nioh 3", you fucking retard.

>>720362437
>on launch
How much content did Ronin get post-launch?

>>720362667
Oh and "Ninja Gaiden 2 Black we promise it's Ninja Gaiden 2" but it's actually sigma, again

>>720362674
Mentally ill samefagging

>>720362667
Both games are good though.

>>720362674
(you)-addicted kiddies that want to rile people up

>>720362545
Yeah Strong and Wise had no reason to exist.

Samurai is first playthrough, obviously important. Demon is where things get more complicated, enemies and gear have more stuff to think about now. And Nioh difficulty is where everything is allowed, bullshit bosses with every modifier ever made, but counteracted by gear and set bonuses that make you ridiculously overpowered.

3 playthroughs is more than enough. 5 was just dumb. Especially for Nioh 3, since the open world structure means they probably can’t copy/paste the old system where you only needed to beat like 10 missions (out of 100+) to “complete” a difficulty. That system might completly break an open structured game. So they really need to make each playthrough unique enough to warrant playing, rather than skipping 90% of it like everyone did in Nioh 2.

>>720362738
They're fine. Nothing more. They're nothing close to Nioh 2. If you think they're going to come off making mediocrity and somehow expand Nioh 2 successfully, well, I'm glad you can be so optimistic.

>>720362674
This is /v/. There are no game enthusiasts/fans here. There are only jaded niggers who want everything to flop, because seeing things fail makes them feel better about themselves.
They don't care about Nioh 3 specifically, they're just going to move onto the next target after this game is released.

>>720362740
It's not going to work for him. If an IGN footage can make the game look good, it's literally over for doomposter.

>>720362852
This is retarded. I've next to no faith in TN at this point.

>>720362842
The game has crucible missions though so how would it break the structure?

>>720362674
The last two games weren't well loved and this one is making some weird changes that people are mixed on, how is this excessive

>>720362964
No TN games have ever been well loved. Getting review bombed because of performance issues is justified but unrelated to gameplay.

>>720363064
One that's not review bombing, as it's true. Two, it's not only about the performance, which they've had issues with every single release and never learned how to not fuck it up, it's also about the fact that the games aren't as mechanically good as Nioh 2, which you'll dance around due to it not fitting your "they're doomposting my hype game" narrative. I'm being realistic, if anything.

>>720361249
oh so you're retarded
ok

>>720363064
You must live in a alternate reality Nioh 2 has 91% positive ratings on steam, and people absolutely hated Wolong even outside of it's terrible performance, by Ronin nobody was left so that game bombed

Not even gonna engage with history revisionist. It's funny we have Nioh2 schizo as well as NG2 schizo now.

>>720363317
>now
Nioh 2 has had the same autistic following that KH2FM had after the PS4/PC release for years

>>720363203
Don't worry anon, even though there's insane people incapable of accepting reality, I remember how hated Wo Long was (and by many still is)

I'm capable of reading reviews and not memory holing things I dislike.

After two iterations, and even playing Nyotengu in the sequel, I cannot see myself playing '3' unless it's virtually free (unlikely) and I've nothing else to play (improbable). '2' was already reaching with its yokai tranny-formations; and I've always found the low/med/high switching combat system clunky.

To me, Nioh = Souls means Dynasty Warriors, and that's not really a compliment.

>>720363690
>too retarded to stance switch
>probably too retarded to weapon switch mid combo
filtered nigger.

>>720364204
It's glorified button mash slop, hiding behind a tatami-thin kabuki Souls mask, and that's why you're emotionally injured by this irrefutable fact being pointed out.

>>720362135
>levels in nioh 1 and nioh 2 are some of the worst
>and nioh 2
WRONG. Nioh 2 levels were amazing and moderately complex. There were less generic caves and hamlets and more temples and stuff. Clearly they had more ideas that time.

>>720363690
>tranny-formations
>low/med/high switching combat system clunky
this is your average nioh doomer
the absolute fucking state of this board

Ninja mode is gay. Going to play the entire game in Samurai.

>>720361054
Ronin was the only time they didn't make any additional content, and it was a joint project with Sony.
Not saying anything for sure, but still you gotta admit Ronin is a little outlier compared to literally everything else they made in recent times.

>>720359568
Praying for this to happen so TN stop huffing their farts and spamming low effort Nioh 2 sidegames
>>720360363
A decade later we still Oblivionwalk while locked on lol

>Basing your expectations off the state of their latest game, Rise of the Ronin, is DOOMPOSTING
>Basing your expectations off of what you imagine will happen is actually LOGICAL and totally not COPE
Damn, I'm sure the new WoW expansion will be amazing because Warcraft 3 was good, guys!

>>720364531
at least you can tell they are noobs from a mile away

Imagine just how better this board would be with thread ids to show how much of this autistic doomposting is all spammed by a single mentally ill.

>>720365126
YWNBAW

>>720365252
You are a woman

>>720359504 (OP)
there's gonna be new enemies
large chunks of the returning cast of yokai will be relegated to the inevitable DLC of course

>ign footage
>player encounters two big demons
>double jump around and skips them cuz scared
>encounter a small enemy
>spam throwing bomb at it instead of normal combat

>>720365360
>tries to run past two demons, they actually chase his ass into onryoki on a bridge
comedy gold

>>720361636
Both will; sell 1.5-3m, which means they will make back their budget. They will be lucky to get over 88. Nioh 3 looks soulless and generic as fuck

>>720365058
Yeah Ronin ran like shit and looked like shit
And the game mechanics were pure jank
Wtf happened to the guys who made Nioh 2?

>>720359504 (OP)
somebody needs to talk to the UI guys. theres games are starting to look like memes with all the shit on the screen

>>720365746
Nioh is the opposite of generic. When they showed the first seconds of the visuals during the State of Play I immediately knew it was a new Nioh game. Generic is when you have dozens of UE5 games using the same stock assets that are impossible to tell apart from one another without looking at their UI (and even that is becoming increasingly difficult nowadays because everyone is using the same minimalist dogshit with diamond shaped indicators)

>>720359504 (OP)
>Don't tell me the 10 or so new enemy types they had in the demo will be all that we'll be getting

That's exactly how nioh 1 was. That's exactly how Nioh 2 was. and yes, that's exactly how nioh shit 3 will be. The demos uses 90% of the enemies. if you haven't learned that Team ninja is a c grade dev that reuses shit and has a shit engine with shit graphics by now, you're a retard.

all their flops have flopped. they will never be From Software LMAO

>>720365938
Nioh is easy to spot because it is so generic. That's how I always spot a TN game

Not gonna watch any gameplay videos to keep my first playthrough pure, but do we know what the new weapons are yet?

>>720365938
Holy cope
Nioh is your average assetflip indieslop

>>720365989
I believe the word you are looking for is "recognizable"

>>720366075
Something can be both recognizable and uninteresting.

>>720366002
Claws seem "new" but they are just ninja version of fists with some new movesets. At any rate, they are treated separately from fists.

>>720359504 (OP)
Comparing this to Phantom Blade Zero and it's like they're not even trying, it looks like a game from 2010

>>720365697
>he jumps down the bridge and barely lands
>there is a mob nearby
>panic
>almost jumps off bridge because of mashing

>>720366191
They don't need to try. They have a small audience that doesn't expect much. It's like pokemon; they're not going to push he envelope

>>720366191
I'd rather play a game with dated visuals and fun gameplay than UE5 parry slop

>>720366042
>buzzword buzzword buzzword
average nioh hater

>>720366148
kinda lame given that Nioh 2 already had clawed fists, I was hoping for something more distinctive like nunchakus

>>720359568
TN didn't make NG4

Hope they add guns

>>720366267
I'm not only talking about the visuals, the gameplay remains unchanged with stiff animations and low reactivity when hitting enemies.

>>720366267
>I have terrible taste and i rather eat Dogshit than a good healthy meal

>>720366458
I love the character designs in Nioh but the visuals have always been ass and I don't get why they are unable to improve on them at all

>>720366479
>liking parry slop is le good taste

>>720366618
Small budget for AAA games.
>but china soulslike #32
They allocated less budget to gameplay.

Phantom Blade chinks can't get threads of their own game past 100 posts so they have to shit up threads of games people here actually care about.

>>720366814
It's all a falseflagger trying to pit different games against each other.

>>720366871
No I just happened to watch a gameplay video of Phantom Blade before entering this thread and seeing the gameplay of Nioh 3. It's like night and day, every time you hit an enemy in PBZ they play a block, parry or stagger animation of some kind. When you hit an enemy in Nioh 3 they sort of teleport backwards a couple of feet while playing the same idle or attack animation as if nothing happened.
I expect more from these devs and you should too.

>>720366521
Such shit bait nobody even bothers replying.

>>720366812
I don't know if it's just a matter of budget though, it looks like a conscious stylistic decision to me.
But I'l reserve my final judgement on Nioh 3's graphics for when I'll see the endgame where you shit out abilities full of particle effects

My favorite level is Tower of London. Jap architecture is boring. I hope Nioh 3 does a 180 early on and teleports to London again and that's the whole game.

>>720367424
I'd love a Nioh game set in Europe, but that basically would mean making all new assets rather than building upon existing ones so it's probably not gonna happen any time soon

>>720367424
The occult alchemist stuff they do in this level is so cool. I would definitely play a game focused on it. Homunculus dudes, weird failed experiments, 16th century royal advisors using demonic creatures and exotic powers from the orient to win wars, plotting conquest in distant lands to try to exploit and experiment with their mythologies, imprisoning normal soldiers who know the truth. It's awesome.
>I am the hollow man. I am the hollow man. Many times I have died. Many times I rose again.

>>720368065
Maybe in Nioh 4 we will finally leave Sengoku Japan

Nioh4 will be set in Europe
You play as a hide's kid summoned by old William to help him fight an unnatural plague caused by the amrita they bring from Japan, amrita gave them immense power and wealth but they slowly going insane

>>720368690
Just make your own nioh like game anon

>>720361264
people love to hate, we should be glad that devs like TN are making games STILL FOCUSED ON GAMEPLAY, not simply walking simulators with endless boring dialogue and cutscenes, if they don't like it, then don't buy it

>>720362523
The issue is that it's NOT more Nioh2. They're changing a bunch of shit that didn't need to be changed in ways that makes me wonder if they played their own game at all

>>720368690
Lies of P and Dark Souls already have the euro aesthetic.

Would prefer a middle eastern or Aztec setting.

>>720371492
euro nioh would still be quite different with its strong focus on local mythological creatures, but aztec or especially middle eastern would be really cool settings too

Stop making me want to replay Nioh 2.

How many respec books can you get in nioh 2? It hasn't been a problem yet but I've been spreading my stats pretty thin + I want to try a bunch of different stuff later on.

>>720359504 (OP)
I have 300 hours in Nioh 1, and 400 in Nioh 2 (plus another 20 spent on the beta). For Nioh 3 went from super excited to0 a little disappointment after the reveal and playing the alpha. Mainly because I thought they would go to other place or different time, and because changing archrtypes on the fly didnt look that interesting, but I ended up enjoying the alpha so Im day 1. Im currently missions of RoR here and there, and its true thst while also being an open world, Nioh 3 feels different, more like a giant Nioh level. I also hope they go crazy with the DLC

>>720372687
I don't remember there being a limit. They just cost a lot.

>>720372492
I hope this little shits are back and customizable.

>>720367804
>>720368690
>Europe
Not happening because Koei Tecmo doesn't do foreign historical settings. Jap and chink history has always been their main bread and butter, Bladestorm being the only exception I can think of, and it should stay that way.

>>720360945
The gear grind in Nioh 2 was gay as fuck. Managing the inventory was needingless tedious as well.

>>720366521
Im replaying Sekiro after the anime was announced, I really enjoyed it back then but Im enjoying it slightly less right now, I think Im enjoying RoR replay more

>>720365973
>if you haven't learned that Team ninja is a c grade dev that reuses shit and has a shit engine with shit graphics
And yet the games are really fun, enjoy them more than Dark Souls

>>720359504 (OP)
This gameplay is painful to watch.

Ninja mode looks OP as fuck.

I confess
I never use low stance

So are we just not bringing up SoP because that one was good or because no one played it even compared to Ronin apparently

>>720373952
SoP is the most different of the Nioh-likes to the point it doesnt come to mind in these threads. But its pretty good, yeah

>>720374106
I'd argue it's more similar than Ronin at least

>>720359504 (OP)
>he's using Dual Swords in both samurai AND ninja form
IMO that soft-confirms there won't be weapons tied to one form only, contrary to what the early demos led us to believe.

>>720363690
What a retarded nigger post

>>720373952
SoP is the only game that actually flopped. So newfag shitposter doesn't know it exists.

>>720359504 (OP)
>ugly, unoptimized, dumbed down clone of an older game
Yep, that's a nuTeam Ninja slop. It's funny how the journalist is playing badly, according to the nioh pros in the comments, yet still has zero problems clearing the level and is never in danger of dying.

>>720376823
>why is this normal difficulty of a non-late area not that hard?
Anon...

>>720362135
Nioh 2 levels were perfectly fine. I didn't play wukong but as long as I don't have to do horseback bullshit like in ER crossing vast swathes of nothingness then I won't mind the open world, but usually I dislike these open world games because they're exactly like that. How IS the open world in nioh 3, if you don't mind me asking?

>>720377424
Felt like bigger Nioh level

>>720373761
same, mid and high stance tonfas rape

>>720359504 (OP)
not gonna watch the whole thing, anyone can tell me where the stealth part it?

>>720359504 (OP)
holy fuck this looks boring. I was hoping we would see green fields, towns with NPC and interiors.
I'm liking the platforming though. We need this game to play like Tenchu Z, not boring ass Shitkiro.

>>720359504 (OP)
I just hope we get interesting areas like the samurai fortresses in Nioh1.
Looking at this its just borig ass icy areas with burned down mountains like Nioh2

I hate the archetype swap on the fly cause it ruins my immersion. At least in Nioh 2 theres an explanation on why you turn into yokai. I know Nioh 3 is already about time traveling, but still.... After RoR I think it would be better to have 2 characters at all times and just swap between them

>>720379020
>redditfrog
>likes a shit franchise
>believes a sequel to a shit game will be good
school started but you are always here

>>720373761
Low stance is generally the best stance to be in if you're not actively trying to use specific moves or aiming for a weakspot, at least in my experience.

>>720381727
>After RoR I think it would be better to have 2 characters at all times and just swap between them
That wouldn't work. I just wish it'd be a moveset that you just enable or disable. Switching on the fly adds depth and variety but I hate the lack of commitment. You should commit to a playstyle, to a few weapons, not be the jack of all trades and master of all.

Don't click this. You will get cursed.

>>720382696
>That wouldn't work
Why

>>720382108
>Low stance is generally the best stance to be in if you're not actively trying to use specific moves or aiming for a weakspot, at least in my experience.
It's mid stance, because of the parries and ki regen during block.

>>720383216
Because the game is pseudo open world and AI sucks ass at pathfinding. There's a reason RoR only gives you party members during fixed missions or at best has you follow an NPC along a fixed path. Letting you explore with an asshole following you is inviting jank, especially if it's your other character and you are expected to swap to them on the fly. Imagine wanting to swap to your ninja and he's stuck in some rocks somewhere or stuck in a fucked tree's model during a boss fight.

>>720383620
>Imagine wanting to swap to your ninja and he's stuck in some rocks somewhere or stuck in a fucked tree's model during a boss fight
Skill issue

>>720373761
I start most fights on low stance, keeps you mobile while you watch and learn enemy movement, its also great to inflict elemental damage and statuses. Mid is for blocking and fighting at range, and high is for hard hitting stuff

>>720383620
The boss AI completely breaking in the post game mode was very funny in ronin, the one gangster dude who would respawn himself if he walked 5 metres from his spot was the best.

these nioh games look so depressing.

>>720385975
Sengoku era was rough, lil bro

>>720373761
I stay in high stance most of the time and I die pretty often because of it but I don't care

>>720368065
>The occult alchemist stuff they do in this level is so cool. I would definitely play a game focused on it. Homunculus dudes, weird failed experiments, 16th century royal advisors using demonic creatures and exotic powers from the orient to win wars, plotting conquest in distant lands to try to exploit and experiment with their mythologies, imprisoning normal soldiers who know the truth. It's awesome.

Team Ninja struck lighting with this. Even though Hundred Eyes is a real Japanese folklore yokai, its design is like some western occult eldritch horror. Just imagine fighting our own mythological demons, like Baphomet.

>>720373761
>I confess
>I never use low stance
It's only good for applying ailments to yokai, because they never block so you don't have to worry about rebound while doing your flurry of attacks.

>>720387107
What's special about a guy with a goat head?

>>720387303
>What's special about a guy with a goat head?
He's one of the many known demons in Christendom. England is a Christian nation.