Thread 720359989

Why does Naoki Yoshida, the director of Final Fantasy XIV and producer of Final Fantasy XVI, cry so often?

Wouldn't you also cry if you killed a legendary company like Square-Enix?

>>720360064
This

UMMM ARE YOU GOING TO TURN ON YOUR TANK STANCE?

>>720359989 (OP)
What went wrong?

>>720360064
If anything he gave them 10 extra years to live with FFXIV ARR but the retards at Square kept spending their money on retarded shit like Avengers, The Quiet Man and other inane ventures so it was bound to stop as soon as FFXIV stops being a money printing machine.

>>720359989 (OP)
tinkin of wuk

He's a human being for fuck's sake

>>720361695
guys 52, a fucking kid

>>720360064
don't give him too much credit, he's the common cold that finished off the AIDS patient. Nomura and Toriyama are way more to blame for Square dying.

>>720361841
>Google "final fantasy merchandise"
>Almost entirely Nomura designs appear
>Kingdom Hearts is still one of Square's most profitable ventures of all time
Nomura unironically did nothing wrong.

>>720360064
>implying anything of value was ever produced after the merger
rich

>>720361076
>What went wrong?
Yoshi-P is incompetent.

>>720361841
>Nomura and Toriyama are way more to blame for Square dying.
Nomura is just an artist. Toriyama is a weirdo but he worked on FF7 and FFX both of which are huge hits. You're just throwing blame at people who have nothing to do with company management because those are the only names you know.

>>720362305
Nomura was the one who pushed Advent children which put Squaresoft so far in the red they had to merge with Enix. he's the lead graphicsfag at Square, and graphicsfaggotry has largely been the cause of Square's demise with how it balloons development times.

>>720359989 (OP)
he's a PR con man
he uses tears to emotionally manipulate people into thinking he cares and to absolve himself of responsibility

>>720361841
no
nomu carried FF and SE if anything

yoshitpiss killed ff

>>720359989 (OP)
he smells like onions

>>720359989 (OP)
menopause

>>720364383
your mixing shit up
the spirits within by SAKAGUCHI caused squaredoft to tank and forced the enix merger, Sakaguchi then resign out of shame

graphics focus has been at FFs forefront since its inception

ff16 took 9 years to make and has worse graphics than ff15 which only took 3.5 years to make on Luminous

>>720359989 (OP)

>cry

Try again, retard.

he needs to shut up, I'm tired of the interviews with PR talk, it's like he is just going to events instead of working into the game, in a few weeks he will be in the TGS for what? if you don't have nothing relevant to say, just don't

>>720359989 (OP)
A lot of women like that he cries, and so he takes advantage of it. To be clear men in japan are not like white guys, their culture is totally different and so crying is even more weird for a man there.

>>720361076
>What went wrong?
realizing go woke go broke is not a meme

>>720359989 (OP)
>He's going after Yoshi-P again
Post lalas instead, preferably with Big Black male Roegadyns

It was her turn, a debt is now owed, soon.

You know, on some level, I sympathize with him. The guy became the star of SE by being a mediocre business man. Mediocrity doesn't warrant being put on a pedestal, but when your colleagues are either self fellating auteurs that can't finish projects or actual retards, mediocrity looks like excellence.
>what? yoshida was able to get xiv: arr finished and released in a year?! it didn't go through 10 years of dev hell?! does he have batman levels of prep time and planning?!
>huh? yoshida made sure the team worked within the constraints of the hardware the game was advertised to run on?! who is this genius?!
So SE started heaping projects onto him thinking he was the golden goose. But he's just a salaryman that was given an impossible mission by his bosses.
>>720367147
>PR talk
You can only spin your way out of the position he's in so many times. Now he's started just flat out saying xiv doesn't have enough devs or budget to do what most players ask for.

>>720359989 (OP)
Why do Schizos obsess over him and misconstrue everything he says and does on an anonymous Israeli psyop anime and video game message board?

>>720369839
why did you necrobump?

witty post

>>720368000
New krilebot post? Script updated?

>>720359989 (OP)
Really impressive how much seethe Yoshida produces on this board

>>720361076
>yoshida is working on several concurrent jobs
jesus christ se is going to work this guy to death, I understand he wanted to work on xvi and xiv at the same time which turned out fine quality-wise SEs retarded exclusivity deals which killed any potential aside but I doubt hes willingly wanting to oversee anything more than xiv considering his previous remarks on this topic

>>720371669
Yea AND he used to be a board member which he did not want to do.
But of course them allowing him to step down from that role was spun "he was demoted in shame" or some shit

>>720371851
If you listen to just /v/ yoshi is very hated by SE and only keep him because ???? reasons. It’s honestly very funny how obsessed with him they are when most players just know him as funny live letter guy who dresses in job outfits

>>720371851
>But of course them allowing him to step down from that role
He did not step down from being a board member, he made a lateral move to a similarly important position along with several other board members

The Rising event is over? I missed out on Naomi Yoshida’s epic in-game dialogue and the adorable Gulool Ja Ja minion? NOOOOOOOOO I’M FEARING MISSING OOOOOOOOUT SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>720375527
>Naomi Yoshida

>>720375527
>No Wuk minion
nande?

>>720361841
so what are you blaming nomura for exactly? give us examples

>>720359989 (OP)
Crocodile tears to manipulate the fanboys and cultists.

>>720376149
eh
He's a crybaby in general

>>720376149
Please name the times he’s cried. I know of two.
When Soken was talking about his recovery from cancer
When he had to announced Endwalker’s release delay by two weeks.
Don’t tell you you misconstrue and overexaggerate these two instances like it’s normal occurrences?

>>720376501
nta
He cried at the 2.0 press event in Japan in 2013
in the noclip documentary they show it

>>720376501
it's kinda like the gameFAQs era obsession with nomura where there's only one or two key events to point at to claim he's an incompetent

>>720376501
He cried when they told us they were extending the patch cycle in endwalker to 4 months.

then took more than 4 months for every patch

>>720376693
What’s funny is the original patch cycle was actually 3.5 weeks long. And now it’s 4.25.

>>720376693
People hold onto this shit so tightly and it STILL has the best update schedule of pretty much any MMO ever.

>>720376781
Depends on the content they add.
7.3 added fucking nothing.

>>720376831
Straight up no it doesn't even matter what they add, they still update with higher regularity than any MMO I've ever played, regardless of budget or studio. Almost all of Endwalker added nothing, but we don't hear about that very often.

Can someone give me a rundown of why there's always anti-XIV threads? isn't the game popular and success?
Is it all done by one guy?

I'm excitedly for Tactics mogstation outfits tomorrow. We get too much modern wear, and I'm gonna buy all three sets to show support that XIV players want classic and well-designed gear.

>>720362015
Nomura just needs to not be told no streetwear in character designs and he's golden.

>>720376961
Yes it is all done by one guy and has been for several years.

>>720359989 (OP)
His game is dying and he doesn't know how to save it, but it certainly won't be by not listening to Kate-san!

>>720376909
An update without content isnt an update.

>>720376961
There are factors
>Naoki Yoshida is the "face" of Final Fantasy alongside Tetsuya Nomura, so people mentally ill about Square Enix as a larger corporation are going to be ill about Yoshida in the same way they were ill about Nomura in the '00s
>FFXIV is an MMO, which is going to naturally attract mentally ill hecklers and mentally ill fanboys alike
>FFXIV for a few years now I would argue has culturally dethroned World of Warcraft, a nexus of MMO mental illness and adding an east vs. west shitfest on top of it
It's more than one person, but this also means more than one person is obsessed

>>720376961
SE already gets hate
XIV gets hated by other MMO players
XVI gets hate by turn-based anons and anons who don't like modern FF. Also gets hate by the resident XV lover
Yoshida is a focal point for a lot, and has some dedicated haters

>>720376781
The point is they're slacking off from how more tightly the ship used to run, of course people are pissed.

>>720359989 (OP)
japs love doing that, they cry while apologizing but it's not a real, it's just crocodile tears. only beings with soul can cry.

>>720377159
>The point is they're slacking off from how more tightly the ship used to run,
I really don't think this matters when not only does it still have the most reliable update schedule of any MMO I've ever experienced, but you're also actively encouraged to drop the game for long stretches if you're bored.

>>720377267
Yes and no, but mostly no. When customers are conditioned to better service, they're going to expect it as baseline. Deviations from that are never well received, this isn't exclusive to XIV but every service offered ever. Just because others are worse doesn't absolve the fact that XIV's standards slipped. On top of that, encouraged dropping subscription isn't in good faith due to XIV's housing system. If you own a home you need a reason to stay subbed frequently, not play every day but you do need to return every 30-45 days

>>720377515
>When customers are conditioned to better service, they're going to expect it as baseline. Deviations from that are never well received, this isn't exclusive to XIV but every service offered ever.
No skin off my ass; I just drop the game if I'm bored or I think it's taking too long.
>On top of that, encouraged dropping subscription isn't in good faith due to XIV's housing system.
This is a completely elective system and the vast majority of players do not have a house by definition of the system. They're barely a blip on the radar for subs. I highly doubt anybody at CS3 gives a shit if you let your sub lapse along with your house, it's not like it confers any kind of protected status. Take the gun away from your own head, it's not CS3 trying to shoot you.

>>720376961
It's not ALL one guy, there are plenty of valid reasons to hate XIV, especially the last 4 years or so of patches. But a LOT of it is one guy. A few times he's been banned and half of the posts in the thread get deleted, literally hundreds of posts of him spamming tweets, reddit thread and samefag arguing with himself.

>>720377678
Yes but you went from "how does this affect anybody?" to "well it doesn't affect me so it's not real" when I was simply explaining why what you said as a general statement is inaccurate. On top of that, Yoshida hasn't really encouraged players to take a break since SHB WoW exodus stuff. More recent interviews he says he wants there to be content that people keep coming back to regularly

>>720361076
The Shareholders and Higher-ups. Sure, the woke shit is bad, but not reinvesting in their cash cow will be their downfall.

>>720362015
I hate him for KH not having a proper ending. But his fantasy designs are fantastic. Tonberry is the best monster of all time.

>>720366520
Yep. And people eat it up. I never trust anything he says.

>>720377856
How DOES it affect anybody? It only affects people if they try to treat FFXIV like a forever game, a behavior it openly discourages and which it basically never has enough to do to warrant treating it as such. I power-grinded almost all Bozja relic weapons during Shadowbringers, but that was because I liked Bozja and Delubrum Reginae on top of the relics being relatively smooth to acquire. It isn't real, take breaks, delivering 4-6 hours of story content every 3-4 months is pretty nutty on any game development scale, let alone for the MMO genre that has a slippery update history at absolute most optimistic.
>Yoshida hasn't really encouraged players to take a break since SHB WoW exodus stuff.
Somewhere within the last five interviews I remember a "take a break" jargon point. It's also not incompatible with the idea of having things people actually want to do and having time spenders between patches, he is painfully aware there is a fair wait between patches and the game has a demographic that will NEVER unplug under any circumstances.

>>720376662
>spent 2 years in hell trying to salvage 14
>thinks no one is gonna play it
>servers can't handle all the players trying to get in
I would have cried too honestly. But yeah most of the other times it's just him being a bitch

>>720376776
This is conveniently ignored. Even in this thread.
Schizos think the old “3 month” cycle was literally only 90 days. It was more.

>>720376693
Nigga what. That was part of the “next 10 years of FF14” stream where they were explaining their future plans. No crying was involved. Go try to prove it. You can’t. Instead you’ll probably cherry pick something else to distract.

>>720378257
It's also never had a 100% predictable patch cycle which is funny. Never forgetti the 3.0 to 3.1 wait.

>>720359989 (OP)
real men cry.
yami cried when he lost the game and yugi.
kaiba cried when he lost yami.
joey cried when he lost mai.

>>720359989 (OP)
S.o.y

>>720361076
Investing into woke shit the year people got sick of woke shit is hilarious.
But Beyond that XIV's core issue is that its been doing the same thing for like 13 years now.
No matter how much SE employees cry otherwise on social media, this game's formulas got old, and they got old in Endwalker.
Now, people weren't aware of it at the time, the Endwalker MSQ did a well enough job hiding it from everyone.

Dawntrail came out and exposed it with its Dora the Explorer tier MSQ. Without the illusion of an immersive world, people lost investment. But the core issue remains the game has been like this for a long while.

>>720378645
him and wings of redemption both cried when the audience couldnt look here & listen

Remove hrothgar

>>720379098
second class citizen race

>>720362015
Nomura is genuinely excellent when he does actual fantasy shit and doesn't touch multiverse/time travel stuff. If I remember correctly in some interviews they even said he wanted to stick closer to the original ff7 story and not have time janny bullshit but the other devs wanted it.

>>720379620
Nomura did want to go a bit more conservative on it while pretty much every other writer wanted to go apeshit with changes. Hence FF7 Remake tells you "this isn't going how FF7 did" within the first twenty minutes

>>720364383
lmao I love how you immediately proved anon right by just naming things you know and getting everything mixed up

>>720378413
To be fair, only having 3.0-3.1 due to holidays and 5.2-5.3 due to covid is pretty solid track record.

>>720360064
Square-Enix killed itself with shit like Forspoken that costs millions of dollars. He at least brings money into the table since people play FFXIV, and FFXVI was mediocre but it wasn't as bad as the rest of stuff that square-enix is shitting regularly.
Prove me wrong and tell me a good Square-Enix game, with high budget

>>720381031
It's outright the best track record in MMOs as an industry, people are completely high off their own supply when they say the current patch schedule is unacceptable or on a back-slide

>>720376961
The game really isn't that popular anymore. Its not 2021-2022 anymore.

>>720381251
You've yet to address the fact that the patches do not have content.

>>720381117
>Square-Enix killed itself with shit like Forspoken that costs millions of dollars
Also
>Foamstars
>1st Soldier
>Babylon's Fall

we need more EOS'd mobile games SE. Siphon the budget more

>>720381374
You're begging for an answer you've already gotten earlier in the thread, in a conversation that concluded in thinking approaching FFXIV as a forever game is not right or healthy. Don't be a biting little flea about it. Sealioning or badgering, whichever the term was.

>>720381697
So the patch cycle is good but we agree the patches have no content?

>>720381251
The D2 train station shit is real, people just don't want to admit it.

>>720381740
Don't waste both of our time.

>>720381401
There was also that live service Marvel Avengers game that was a supreme flop. Square Enix has been churning out multi-million dollar garbage for a pretty long time, it's actually surprising they're alive at all still

>>720381906
Avengers flopped so hard Square Enix disavowed doing any more tie-in games with high budgets unless the license holder pays for it up front, that was really funny.

>>720381906
Yea, can't believe I forgot that one

>8.0 Job reworks deconfirmed
>SE cultisits already acting like Yoshida never said anything like that was happening

>>720359989 (OP)
GAIJIN SAMA, PLEASE PLAY OTHER GAMES WHILE WE FIGURE OUT SHIT OUT. SEE HOW CARING AND BASED I AM?

>>720382340
I've been saying all year to not get your hopes up, it will be as mild as the 7.X fight design changes. Yoshi makes a couple of offhand remarks and everyone thinks he'll make the game good again.

>>720382340
It's especially funny because people wrre fuming he said 8.0 jobs would be reworked a month before DT release. He also said 7.0 would be start of new fight design then said it would be 7.2 and all we got out of that was M6S.

>>720382841
You're replying to yourself again.

>>720382875
You're jumping at shadows again

>>720382340
We just know the rodeo by now.
>yosida says something
>the realities of xiv's development means it ends up either being false or a shadow of what was described
Remember when ala mhigo was supposed to be some kind of unique, never before seen content? Then it ended up just being a big empty city with nothing going on. Clearly a case of cut content.

How would (you) fix FFXIV?

>>720383076
>Working on content
>Yoshida makes comment on what they are planning
>Dev team can't accomplish what they were envisioning for x reason
shocking

>>720383238
Alisaie is now 18, and my WoL can have graphic sex with her.

>>720383274
They keep doing that.

>>720376961
I don't know about always, but lately it's because the game has gone to shit. A lot of people that actually liked the game are upset and hating on it because of recent events.

>>720383274
What goes on in the dev team doesn't matter to any player, he said before Dawntrail even released that jobs would finally see some changes in 8.0, and I'm holding him to that

>>720383238
Yoshida livestream where he makes yoshitpiss posts attacking himself and calling himself a liar on 4chan

>>720383853
We'll see
Here is the latest comments about it

>>720383274
name a time when they actually accomplish what they set out to do

>>720383238
>massive focus on job design with the aim of having more complexity again and at least one "hard" job in each role
>hire some devs in Europe to make more variant and criterion dungeons by remixing old assets
>restrict the MSQ team to making the 8.0 MSQ at most half as long as Dawntrail
>put instanced player housing on the island sanctuary and remove the housing subscription timer
>bring foray mechanics into the overworld in 8.0
>start the relic from 8.1
>rework savage raid lockouts to be a purely personal thing and unlock the raids entirely after 12 weeks

>>720383991
>at least one "hard" job in each role
Those jobs wouldn't get invited unless they are better than the rest.

>>720383238
I would start by fixing the horrible netcode that impossibilities a major part of the playerbase to play as intended without the use of third party tools.

>>720383908
So job gauges 2 or cross-class again? System on existing. I'm fine with that, sounds good

>>720384271
Cross class again but probably more useless.

I'm guessing they're bringing back role actions that you need to equip and calling it a day.

>>720384206
Don't care, fun job design is priority number 1. Engaging jobs revitalise even roulette content.

>>720384206
Who cares about some randos in PF

>>720382841
We also had "1.5x Rewards" by 7.3, which basically just vanished and hasn't been mentioned since 7.1.

>>720384445
>>720384514
But people who like those jobs will then demand change, and the jobs will change to be homogenized again

>>720384338
Depends on if Scholar shows up like a crack addict, shaking at the thought of scabbing Aero/Dia and Thunder again

>>720384714
gas parse fags and the game is saved.

>>720384620
Chaotic rewards were good but not much since then.
Maybe we can pretend the new variant dungeon will have all the mobile hairstyles?

>>720359989 (OP)
Why does OP make sure that there is a round-the-clock thread designated for shitting on Naoki Yoshida?

What did Naoki Yoshida personally do to OP to cause him to be this way?

>>720384714
People are bitching about no player surveys happening in a long time which I hopefully interpret as the devs plugging their ears against player suggestions

>>720384714
I'm a person who liked a lot of jobs which have been deleted, and I demand change. Current job design sucks dick.

>>720384762
OK, yeah, that will actually fix it lol.
I actually don't like the top DPS shit either.

>>720383908
>nothing will change
>we are trying to do something new

>>720376961
>Is it all done by one guy?
Yes. It might be like 2 coordinated people alternating, and then Barry shows up every so often, but it's basically all one guy, yeah.

>>720384969
He's saying they're not rebooting the game or anything like that

>>720384271
>So job gauges 2 or cross-class again? System on existing.
Yeah, I really don't get why shitposters pretend that they can't understand what Yoshida says. There is not going to be some fundamental, ground-up change to classes. It's just gonna be some extra shit on top, like maybe a "phantom job" thing or bringing back "cross class" stuff or something as stupid as a personal Limit Break, or it might even just be him explaining "well, everyone will get 1 new button added to their burst like we do every expansion"

>>720384445
Nothing will ever revitalize roulette content as long as the ILV sync continue to be so big of a flaw as it currently is.

Every content LV 70 and bellow gets massively powercrept, and even many content above it gets too. Just think of the first alliance raid of EW having it's last boss flagship mechanic never again been seen, because we do so much damage that even on a group with slacking players he stills dies before it.

I could go on and on but if you play roulettes you know how much of a joke almost every content in the game is because of massive powercreep.

What would help to revitalize roulettes would be to fix this issue.

>>720384832
The issue is the devs cater to turbo casuals by default. They dont need player input to continue making the game incredibly shallow

>>720384826
It's the fat ninja guy from that FFXIV fan fest cosplay event a long time ago he's been hurt ever since Yoshi called him fat and didn't win any prize.

>>720361076
Why is every thread the same images from months ago

>>720384620
>>720384774
Yeah they immediately gave up on alternative gearing, but most could tell by "more rewards" he meant portraits and fashion accessories

>>720376971
Unfortunately it’s on the mogstation and not in game

>>720385352
Yeah that would be good too but even with power creep I used to enjoy playing nonstandard black mage in random trials and raids, then they took that away from me for no good reason in 7.0.

>>720385458
Because it's just the same guy making the same thread posting the same images for the past several years. He'll even be doing it several more years from now, maybe just with a few new images.

Not that long ago, he was making these threads talking about how XIV is EoS and that there will be no more expansions... all because (in a year where no expansion was planned) SE said "there is no planned release date for the next expansion", which the shitposter misunderstood on purpose to mean "there will never be another XIV expansion.

>>720385381
Pretty much everything seen up to now is a culmination and logical endpoint of them acting on HW and SB era player feedback, is the thing

>>720359989 (OP)
yeah yeah barry thread i know, but
is the mobile version live? i wanna complain about what it has compared to the real version

>>720360064
This thread isn't about Kitase

>>720385458
Believe it or not, but he also made the post that there are no job changes planned, and he also made several replies to himself agreeing with himself. That's not the only post he has made doing this, and he does it every single day at nearly all times of the day. 4chan desperately needs post IDs, at least on the high traffic boards.

>>720362015
Nomura is a good artist but a terrible story lead and mixed director

>>720386002
Wait does that mean I'm barry.

>>720385916
zing!!

>>720362305
No he's not, he's been director, producer, story lead, and writer on multiple games

>>720375643
A large part of the FF versus 13/XV fiasco was on Nomura's failure to get a solid direction on the game down before he was booted off being a director. He's also the story lead on the ff7 remake project and the story changes are awful.

>>720386085
YWNBAB

>>720385839
You mean SHB

>>720359989 (OP)
He was forced to carry square enix on his back and the reward for all his troubles was them siphoning all the funds he made into failed projects. Now his project is on a downward trend and its not lookin good.

>>720383238
Make a new MMO.

>>720386179
But I was the one who posted the 8.0 job rework thing that I apparently also responded to myself about.

>>720383238
patch cycles no longer than 3 months
i like slop, but it want it faster

>>720362015
>Nomura unironically did nothing wrong.
Nomura did the most wrong of any SE director.

Nomura started as a character designer, and that is where he excels and I have no real qualms with Nomura as a character designer. The issue is that he was given Kingdom Hearts, and that's when everything went downhill. Soon, the story of Kingdom Hearts began to make no fucking sense whatsoever, because Nomura mistakenly believes that "convolution" is the same as "deep". Kingdom Hearts is now so convoluted that even he can't keep track of everything and he literally watches YouTube essays about Kingdom Hearts to remind himself of what he has written.

Then there is the fatal misstep of giving him Versus XIII, which inadvertently spawned Barry. Nomura wasn't good enough to actually deliver Versus XIII, so Tabata had to take the scraps of Nomura's abortion and tape it together into the Frankenstein that we currently know as Final Fantasy XV. In the meantime, while Nomura was pretending to be a director and failing to deliver on the Versus XIII hype, we got nearly a fucking decade of Toriyama's waifu, Lightning, whom NO ONE liked. This was the real beginning of the end of Final Fantasy, and it was indirectly caused by Nomura's failure, which also spawned Barry. They shitted out 3 Lightning games because Nomura couldn't shit out Versus XIII. Then they gave it to Tabata, who shitted out XV.

AND THEN, as if Nomura didn't do enough damage already, they gave him Final Fantasy VII. I fucking know they thought "here Nomura, this is such a slam dunk layup that you could not POSSIBLY fuck it up", and do you know what Nomura did? He took that as a challenge. He said "[laughs] ...watch me" and he added Whispers to the mix and ruined the entire spirit of Final Fantasy VII by conflating the original Final Fantasy VII with the shit he had written since then like Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts.

Tetsuya Nomura has been killing Final Fantasy for the past nearly 20 years.

>>720386467
I wasn't the guy who said that I just wanted to make the dumb joke. Read the room bud.

>>720384620
By 1.5x rewards they meant they'd take existing rewards from Bozja and Eureka and cram them into Occult Crescent.

The Dalriada mount went from 15m to like 500k. Enjoy the reward i guess.

>>720387009
>The Dalriada mount went from 15m to like 500k. Enjoy the reward i guess.
The mounts from the bunny fates also went from 3-5m to like 3-500k. Literally like everything from Eureka is now worth 1/10th of what it used to cost, and same with Bozja.

So what? No one does Eureka anymore so they need to make the rewards from there accessible

>>720383238
bench alisaie
bring up bteam scions
shit on garleans more make their larpers seethe
bench thancred
fire kate
give tiamat and azdaja femra avatars with cute interactions trying to appear normal
elezen expanion
final fantasy adventures expansion

>>720382340
>8.0 Job reworks deconfirmed
????????

>>720388013
The friends list is barely functional and you want some gay story shit.

>>720360270
how do you politely ask that to your tank without sounding like your pic?

>>720388427
You type the name of the ability with the auto translate.

>>720368000
do people actually care about this toddler? nice trips btw

>>720388057
>>720383908

>>720388303
kys.

>muh HOMOgenization

>>720388013
>give tiamat and azdaja femra avatars with cute interactions trying to appear normal
Fuck I need this now.

>>720381828
Busy day of jacking off to dogs ahead of you huh, Abel?

>>720388812
all you need to make the merycydian expansion bearable.
>muh allaghans /whatever antagonist
>some lore and world building
>cute dragon femras being cute

simple as. bare bones expansion is already a 7/10 here with just that. just fire kate and hiroi

>>720385742
Most of those were me and I made those posts because it was funny how angry you retards got over something that was just so ludicrous and obviously wrong. Not OP by the way.

>>720359989 (OP)
So when will the desktop/console version of the game get the actual good stuff the mobile versions are getting?

>>720389294
Isn't it owned by the bugmen? I'm under no assumption we're getting it

>>720389294
isnt the mobile game microtransaction hell or something like that?

>>720389294
IS IT LIVE YET?

>>720389294
i haven't been paying attention to the mobile version
what does it have that PC / console doesn't?

>>720386250
No I don't

Stormblood made boss encounters easier after Alexander Savage was bullshit on the whole, replaced cross-class with role actions because everyone hated essential skills being locked behind specific classes and hated some classes having nothing to offer while some jobs reaped huge benefits with nothibg to return, gave the job gauge for mechanical clarity but forever doomed jobs to being builder-spenders in return

Shadowbringers onward is a distillation of what Stormblood brought and 8.0 will be the biggest shaking up SINCE Stormblood

are people wit hthe big fish title based or insane

>>720389509
square owns the game
chinks developed it and are in charge of managing it
but they have to consult everything to SE or they'll revoke the licensing

>>720388969
uh oh ebin meltie

>>720389078
Fact checked: False

>>720389797
>paying real money for gacha boxes
YESSSSSSSS THIS IS WHAT XIV NEEDS WE LIKE THIS WE LOVE THIS!!!!!

>>720389797
they most definitely commissioned a fucking smartphone version so people get disgusted at the predatory practices and switch to the desktop/console version
and those who won't, are still giving SE money

>>720389731
>"umm... it was actually a good thing that cooldowns did not reset between pulls"
You're retarded.

>>720389943
Game is licensed, doubt SE seems a dime from it beyond royalties and whatever was paid in licensing fees in the first place

>>720389981
Can you show where in that post he said that?

>>720389981
Hey wait a minute, that quote isn't anywhere in my post

>>720389731
>8.0 will be the biggest shaking up SINCE Stormblood
Do you really believe the team has the resource and time to do that? When I see their reworks (which they then said it was small), I don't think 8.0 will have that much of an impact. They'd need to change how they design their encounters (and they seem particularly proud of what they did in DT), but they always played relatively safely with the upcoming content.
And changing things for that many jobs? I can't see it being more than being on the smaller side of the scale. Though, the more time (expacs) pass, the more difficult it will be to change the jobs with even more jobs to do.
I mean, I'd obviously loved it if they really changed the jobs, but I just can't see it.

>>720389732
Insane for not having Final Fish by now.

Here I can leak the 8.0 Job shake up.
Instead of new skills for jobs, there are new skills per role that you can bring up to 3 of, here I have some of the ones in development for tank:

>Tanks Mastery II
Damage taken is reduced by an additional 5%, enmity generation is increased
>Enhanced Low Blow
The cool down of Low blow is reduced by 5 seconds, now works in AOE
>Enhanced Shirk
The cooldown of Shirk is reduced by 30 seconds

please look forward to it

>>720390047
>>720390102
>Stormblood made boss encounters easier after Alexander Savage was bullshit on the whole, replaced cross-class with role actions because everyone hated essential skills being locked behind specific classes and hated some classes having nothing to offer while some jobs reaped huge benefits with nothibg to return, gave the job gauge for mechanical clarity but forever doomed jobs to being builder-spenders in return

>Shadowbringers onward is a distillation of what Stormblood brought

>>720390647
And where's the part where he even mentions cooldowns resetting, let alone gives an opinion on it?

>>720390789
>>Stormblood made boss encounters easier after Alexander Savage was bullshit on the whole

>>720390821
That has nothing to do with cooldowns, he's talking about encounter difficulty. Stop hallucinating.

>>720390920
I can see that you are woefully knowledgeable about that which you speak. A key part of what made Alexander Savage "bullshit on the whole" is the fact that cooldowns did not reset between pulls.

what's the best entry into final floptasy?

>>720390920
I can see that you are woefully unknowledgeable about that which you speak. A key part of what made Alexander Savage "bullshit on the whole" is the fact that cooldowns did not reset between pulls.
I trusted auto correct and it made my sentence the opposite of what I typed

>>720390581
aoe low blow would actually be a useful tool anon

>>720390986
>A key part of what made Alexander Savage "bullshit on the whole" is the fact that cooldowns did not reset between pulls.
No it wasn't. It just made you wait between pulls. Gordias and Midas were difficult because the mechanics themselves were demanding and very tightly tuned. Waiting on cooldowns was just an annoyance. Stop talking out of your ass and stop hallucinating arguments that weren't made.

>>720391085
Yeah thats why WHM has it

>>720391039
1, 4, 6, 7, 10 are all great entry points to the series. you can add 5 to that if you know how JRPGs work already

>>720391106
I'm just telling it how it is, anon. I'm sorry you don't like it.

>>720391168
And I'm telling you that you're wrong and you're hallucinating arguments that weren't made because you wouldn't have a point otherwise.

as much as i want more job complexity, i hope their solution for that isnt just "add more cooldowns" because we have so much cooldown bloat already

>>720391276
If you don't understand that waiting 5+ minutes between pulls makes things significantly harder than they actually are, in multiple ways, then you're retarded. Least of which is the fact that you can't pull as frequently or learn as quickly.

>>720391463
The issue we have is that there are only 3 types of offensive cooldowns:
>use on cd, perfectly aligns with 2m
>build up/hold for 2m
>use to prevent overcap

You cant get complexity from quantity. If everything is press on CD to ensure 2m alignment then they're all going to feel the same.

>>720391521
I was there. I know how it was. I know that waiting 30 seconds for my Perfect Balance to come back off cooldown was not what made the fights difficult. The longest cooldown to wait on was Hallowed Ground which wasn't used liberally as a planned cooldown the way it is now for that very reason. That's all. That has nothing to do with the mechanics being extremely demanding.

>>720391705
>>Stormblood made boss encounters easier after Alexander Savage was bullshit on the whole
And the most inconvenient way was that cooldowns did not reset after pulls, greatly impeding progress and also group morale, a change that you are bemoaning as making the game too easy.

>>720391908
No, retard. Stormblood just made savage fights much easier. Everyone cleared O1S on the first pull blind on launch morning. It wasn't because of cooldowns not resetting, it's because the fights were much easier.

>>720382340
I'm still waiting on hat DRG overhaul we were told we'd get in 6.1. Look like we still won't be getting it in 8.0.

>>720392119
>Everyone cleared O1S on the first pull blind on launch morning. I
nah most people not cleared it on launch morning. for most part of community ot was first raids so they played a lot there.
>alexander did something
>stormblood easier than before
there was no "before", ffxiv kinda starts with stormblood, that was expansion where people came into game. heavensward was PR company for the game, and ARR was like, betatesting.

>>720392119
Just stop replying. You're talking to a retard.

Did you give your thoughts to the dev?

>>720393132
Tam-Tara hard remains the best dungeon presentation wise

>>720393132
Ozma and Cid were well implemented, I dunno what happened to this hack after SB. It's just complete shit, DSR is cutscene simulator and chaotic is not what people wanted from more challenging alliance raids.

I'm a contrarian so I liked manually allocating stat points and cooldowns not resetting.

>>720393132
The man who saved stormblood

>>720392119
Yeah but people loved O3 and O4, being easier than gordias where it was just unfun ballbusting doesn't make deltascape bad. Plus omegascape is the most well rounded raid to date. Every other expansion has "that" tier, but Omega was solid across the board.

>>720393316
It's crazy how little uptime there actually is in DSR. Can't believe people suck that fight off so hard.

>>720389797
The total price of all 6 hairstyles is about $50, so pretty much the same price as the cosmetics in the actual mogstation.

>>720390581
You forgot an extra charge of the shitty non-damaging gap closer

>>720390581
>Role Skills
Role skills now change based on the job equipping them, providing the expected core functionality along with extra bonuses.
>Lucid Dreaming
BLM: Dream of Black - Xenoglossy and Foul trigger the casting of Scathe II, an OGCD that guarantees the next Fire spell will be a critical direct hit
SMN: Dream of Gods - Any summons called forth while under the effect provide a partywide buff specific to the summon. Multiple effects can stack. Example: Titan grants Stoneskin. Garuda grants a movement speed buff. Leviathan grants increased healing received.
RDM: Dream of Crimson - All damage inflicted on the enemy while the effect is active provides bonus mana of both types. The next Verraise costs no MP.
PCT: Dream of Stars - Starry Muse cast under the effect now provides a partywide shield. Any spells cast within the landscape trigger a partywide heal.
WHM: Dream of Saints - All healing effects cast under this effect have doubled potency.
SCH: Dream of Strategy - The cooldown of Expedience is reduced by one minute. Sacred Soils cast under this effect have no cost.
AST: Dream of Fortune - The effect of Wheel of Fortune while granted under this effect gives all affected party members a guaranteed critical direct hit buff for 10 seconds.
SGE: Dream of Genius - Addersgall and Addersting are both restored to full. The next Kerachole will grant partywide shields that will grant Addersting when broken.

>>720394458
>Bloodbath
MNK: Bloody Claws - All attacks under this effect hit twice and auto attack time is reduced by half.
DRG: Bloody Lancet - All health restored grants an equivalent shield. The next Life Surge under this effect will double the potency of the affected weaponskill and give healing equivalent to half the damage dealt.
NIN: Bloody Shuriken - Fuma Shuriken and Hyosho Ranryu under this effect will inflict a potent 30 second DoT that restores health each time it deals damage.
SAM: Bloody Cleave - Iaijutsu cast under this effect will splash potent heals to nearby party members.
RPR: Bloody Reap - All attacks under this effect build stacks of blood. At 10 stacks, Harvest Moon charges for free. Stacks do not fall off between uses of Bloody Reap.
VPR: Bloody Trance - The Viper's gauge fills passively while this effect is active. Each attack lowers the cooldown of Serpent's Ire by 5 seconds.

>Synergy Effects
PLD + DRK: Light and Darkness Cast Aloft - While in a party together, a PLD and DRK may freely and instantly swap places and aggro tables. All healing abilities have an increased effect on the DRK and all damage bonuses have an increased effect on the PLD.
PLD + DRG: Rage of Halone - When in a party with a DRG the PLD's Rage of Halone/Royal Authority inflicts a damage down effect on the enemy. DRG's Jump abilities now spray a healing breath around the landing point.
WAR + SCH: Hells or High Waters - All Adloquiums cast on the WAR will be guaranteed direct crits. Shake It Off will spread all Adlo effects to the party alongside a movement speed buff.
WAR + BLM: Mhachi Berserk - All fire elemental spells cast by the BLM reduce the cooldown on Berserk by two seconds. While Berserked, the WAR gains extra fire damage on every hit.
DRK + SMN: Sin of Mist - When summoning Fray, he will be joined by a mist dragon that deals extra damage and grants a pulsing heal to the party. The SMN's primals will be enhanced by the DRK's rage and deal significantly more damage with their ultimate skills. Bahamut becomes Bahamut Fury and Akh Morn is upgraded to Morn Afah.
GNB + AST: Time Compression - All self buffs cast by the GNB will have doubled timers. All buffs cast by the AST will have timers cut in half but doubled potency.
GNB + BLM: Sorceress Knight - All ice spells cast by the BLM will have the equivalent of an Astral Fire 3 potency buff on them. No Mercy's damage buff is doubled and Bloodfest has increased potency along with a guaranteed crit.

WHM + BRD: Song of the Gods - Radiant Finale becomes Final Fantasia and instantly fills one bar of limit break in addition to its usual effects.
WHM + BLM: Twincast - If a BLM and WHM in the same party cast Holy and Flare within 5 seconds of each other, the abilities are replaced by Judgment and Meltdown. Judgment deals massive damage and heals the party based on damage dealt. Meltdown inflicts massive damage and a fire vulnerability up effect.
SCH + SMN: Efficient Arcanima - All SCH and SMN spells have reduced cast time and MP cost. All aetherflow stacks grant a bonus aetherflow stack upon use.
SGE + MCH: Hypertuned - Each cast of Dosis causes the MCH to pulse a healing effect from their lunchbox. Drill is increased in potency due to an aetherial sheathe woven by the SGE and inflicts a brief vuln up.
SGE + RDM: Masters of Magic - All spell potencies for the two jobs are increased. When RDM uses Fleche the attack is joined by SGE lasers that inflict an extra strike and pulse a heal around the target. When Contre Sixte is used it leaves a sigil on the ground where the enemy was hit. Casting Phlegma, Toxicon, or Pneuma within this ward will trigger an extra explosion of magic.
PLD + SGE: Mirror Shield - If the PLD is in Pneuma's line of fire, the effect will be triggered again a few seconds later. If the effect is triggered Pneuma's cooldown is reduced by one minute.
WAR + PLD: Stars of the Bloodsands - PLD's Provoke turns into Work the Crowd, it grants the party increased healing received and a shield. WAR's Provoke becomes Play the Heel, each time the WAR is struck under its effect the party receives a stacking damage up buff.
PLD + GNB: My Romantic Dream - Each time the PLD uses Royal Authority the GNB can use a free Blasting Zone. Circle of Scorn grants a free Bow Shock. Each block grants a Rough Divide. The PLD gains a passive defense up because he feels empowered by inspiring the GNB.

>>720383238
Searching for posts with the image hash ‘Z27wCPK4KUmjNx8fwkdRpA==’. 14 results found.

Is this bot gonna spam this ritual in every thread now?

>>720359989 (OP)
He misses his whipping boy, Tabata.

>>720390142
bros.... we're not getting job gauges in 4.0..... that's too big an ask

>>720359989 (OP)
Not falling for it again, fix the fucking game. Make the team work on the fucking game, almost 5 months per patch is inexcusable

Guys
Now is the time to get Kate axed

>>720397340
keep screenshotting her stupid bluesky takes.

Manipulation technique. I do it as well.

the game needs a total overhaul, even if the next MSQ is good in terms of story, people won't be subbed for too long if the time between patches is the same and they are offering the same content.
I only subbed two months this entire expansion and one of them was just leveling the rest of the jobs, game is boring after the same formula for ten years

>>720397450
Interesting...

kate won
archduke lost
asmong lost

>>720397891
>Twitter danger hairs can't stand Twitter anymore because Elon bought it
>they also loved Tesla until Elon bought Twitter
>their entire personality did a complete 180 overnight
>someone makes a Twitter alternative as a safespace for the danger hairs who can't stand differing opinions from their own
>now even their own safespace hugbox is losing favor with the danger hairs because they are not allowed to celebrate the political assassination of someone whose opinion they disagreed with
>...oh also, let's throw in a little bit of porn endorsement while we're at it
How do people like her even keep a job? I feel like if she were a regular employee at a regular company and you showed any of her Tweets to any of her bosses, that she would be immediately "canceled"

>>720360064
only put thats legendary is square

>>720359989 (OP)
kinda funny they gave such a big role in the company cause a guy made a shitty game but it had 2b init and went yeah his gonna make us money

>>720397891
>>720398159
I'm about as chuddy as it gets and I've never heard of this guy and have no idea why everyone is treating it like a major political assassination or something. Anyway, Final Fantasy XIV. Why the fuck do gatherer missions in CE give so little knowledge points? Feels like they should give more since you actually have to run between the mission areas while for crafting you can just park your ass and rapid fire them.

>>720398159
>they also loved Tesla until Elon bought Twitter
this is a new one on me

>>720381117
also the fans killed it
didn't try stuff like dioflied and voice of cards kept going give me remakes reeee

>>720398478
>Anyway, Final Fantasy XIV
Yea, Final Fantasy XIV
Yea, kathryn cwynar
Yea, the localization lead and lore consultant

>>720398604
I lost interest in Voice of Cards when I realized it was just a normal JRPG but everyone and everything looked like playing cards. No real card mechanics, purely visual.

>>720398630
yes, her offtopic social media drama and squalling about danger hairs

>>720398630
Kate is FFXIV but not the random literal who youtuber guy.

>>720398478
>>720398630
>Anyway, Final Fantasy XIV
Kate Cwynar is unfortunately very Final Fantasy XIV, but I did get banned on /xivg/ once for posting her own Tweet where she endorses exposing children to public sex acts and BDSM.

I really do not understand how this danger hair still has a job.

>>720398695
its be a lot harder to call it voice of tabletop or voice of dnd

>>720398770
>>720398818
If only she didn't sneak her personal beliefs into the English localization of the game.
Then I wouldn't care
But she does
So I do

>>720398898
Yes, I agree with you.

>>720359989 (OP)
>owari da

was it kino?

yes. yes it was

>>720399529
I wasn't really impressed.

>>720399529
>HE CAN ROTATE THE ARENA OH MY GOD

>>720399529
>giant hrothgar in undies joins the party!

>>720386545
Unironic truthnuke but you have to blame kitase for enabling him as well

>>720399727
funny how astral eclipse into styx killed people more often than el rotador

>>720399529
No. I wanted Zodiark to be the final boss of the storyline instead he was relegated to flesh mech for some retard we didn't care about until then as the entire finale of the storyline we spent 10 years on got co-opted by a story about said retard faggot and his depression wave bird getting sad about other civilizations encountering a variety of bad ends

>>720399904
>impotent whining about Endwalker story killing your dog because it was so had in your mind
Noone asked

>>720399778
>>giant hrothgar in undies joins the party!
I prefer when it's Big Black Roegadyn men in undies personally

>>720400073
>>impotent whining about Endwalker story killing your dog because it was so had in your mind
>IESLB
I cachinnate.

>>720399904
Zodiark was already the final boss of Shadowbringers.

>>720400143
Elidibus, the pilot of the RX Zodiark, was the final boss of the Shadowbringer's storyline.

>>720400210
Elidibus was the heart, mind, and soul of Zodiark. He was Zodiark.

>>720400296
He was its pilot, Zodiark still existed without him and continued to maintain the flow of aether on the source meaning he was literally just its pilot, or rather just its main pilot since the souls of the sacrifaced ancients were still active.

>>720360064
he was the only one keeping the company afloat, Their last few games were funded from XIV money because they sure as shit didn't make any money with their other games.

>>720400392
>He was its pilot
No, he was Zodiark's heart. He wasn't just a guy sitting in a seat. He was transmuted during the summoning process into the crystal heart of Zodiark. He WAS Zodiark. He's Zodiark Prime the same way you enter Bahamut's crystal heart in T13 and fight Bahamut Prime there. He is the central concept and will of Zodiark.

>>720385742
Talk about having no life, if that faggot wants to spend the rest of his life shitposting over FFXIV.

>>720398849
the fuck is an ace?

pizza time

>>720359989 (OP)
Posting Yugiri

>>720400546
He was Zodiark's pliot, Zodiark was still operating without him and when we killed Zodiark he was still operating, he's not Zodiark he's just its pilot. Fandaniel put himself in the pilot seat for the sake of the fight.

>>720388013
>bench alisaie
Wrong.

The game and the Scions especially is a goddamn Fujo fest. The last thing they need to do is get rid of one of the two(2) attractive female characters that have been allowed to stick around.

>>720397891
I legit cannot believe Square Enix lets it's employees act like this. What happened to professionalism? If I was a company I would require all employees to have private accounts and not engage with audiences and only post professionally online. Infact, that used to be the way things were in the 2009-2012 times. Everything changed around 2014 and ever since this lack of professionalism and extremist liberal bullshit political talk became normal especially amongst company representatives online. It clearly harms sales, it harms reputation, and above all else it harms the future prospects of the companies involved. If I was Square Enix I would not only fire her I would publicly fire her and give an hour long apology video about her behavior and apologize to the entire consumer base. They are constantly losing money and this bitch cant just quietly go away. They need to make a point and excommunicate her and all like her.

>>720400608
I don't understand how they are part of this "conversation"

>>720393132
Sastasha and Hauke.

>>720400709
>He was Zodiark's pliot
Zodiark's heart. You're way too obsessed with the mech analogy. You notice how Fandaniel didn't become obsessed with salvation when he took over Zodiark's body? Because the empty shell left behind has no will, it's just power waiting to be directed. He literally says this to you before he jumps in, that Zodiark has no will without Elidibus. Because Elidibus is Zodiark.
>Zodiark was still operating without him
Zodiark was inert and just projecting the aetherial shield because he was set to do that. He wasn't actively doing anything because he had no will after Elidibus left.
>he's not Zodiark he's just its pilot
He is LITERALLY Zodiark. The same way Ardbert is still Ardbert even when he's not in his body. Elidibus is Zodiark's soul unseated from his body. You're too stupid to understand the mech analogy so just drop it. Zodiark is a Guardian Force, which involves the summoner completely giving up his form to be shaped into the primal. There was no summoning of Zodiark with Elidibus then hopping into the "pilot seat" or whatever. Elidibus physically gave up his being and was shaped into Zodiark. He is Zodiark.

>>720400828
Well, if you're a straight white man you still need to act professional and you will still be fired and canceled for unprofessional behavior, which is something that is increasingly encompassing more things. However, Kate is a possibly well connected person but more importantly she is a danger hair representative of the LGBTQ+ for a company that has an out-of-company tranny sitting on the board of directors.

>>720400812
>Alisaie
>attractive
She literally looks like a boy, there's nothing attractive about her unless you're a homosexual. Which I know Alisaie lovers are because almost every one of them I've seen also lusts after Alphi too.

>>720399904
>Story bad because it wasn't what I envisioned
Where does this kind of autism come from? You want the story to play out exactly as you expect... what's even the point? Is it just an "autistic people prefer familiar environments" thing?

>login
>nothing to do except stand around in Limsa
>log off

>>720400983
@Grok what is the early life of Tracy Fullerton?

>>720393929
Because muh horsefart muh ucob thematic parallel trios. The presentation is pretty solid but like damn, it's not one I enjoyed reclearing.

>>720375527
>we killed this
The endwalker 24man series was awful.

>>720400997
I don't lust for Alphinaud at all, I think the people who want to insert him into any WoL/Alisaie ship are cringe as hell.

Whether you like Alisaie or not, it's pretty ironic you're posting a perfect example of the issue I was highlighting.

Minfilia, Ysayle, Lyse, Yugiri, Ryne, Venat and most recently Sphene. Everytime the story introduces a new, attractive female character, she's either killed off or put on the bus.

Meanwhile, male characters like G'raha get killed off and still have to come back to become permanent party members and even boring, non-characters like Erenville get to sick around. In Dawntrail, every single time Y'shtola and G'raha turned up, Y'shtola would immediately leave while G'raha stayed around to get more unique solo scenes with just him and the WoL.

>>720400957
>that Zodiark has no will without Elidibus
Because Elidibus wasn't in the pilot seat anymore.
>He wasn't actively doing anything because he had no will after Elidibus left.
Because Elidibus wasn't in the pilot seat and wasn't necessary for Zodiark's intended function
>He is LITERALLY Zodiark
Except he isn't, because we literally see what Zodiark is, a congregation of ancient souls, and Fandaniel taking over it proves that Elidibus was in actuality just a pilot.

>>720401149
And then Fandaniel jumped in the pilot seat.

Why do Americans not care about FF14 anymore?

>>720398898
It’s wild that the whole they/them pixies was really done in bad faith to normalize it.
It stuck out to me hard when I started ShB when every character just magically knew that “they/them” was the pronouns to use when everything prior never once did that. Even prior FF games, look at FF9 where that wasn’t even a concept for genderless beings, so “s/he” was used.
Koji designed the dragons in HW to be genderless and asexual and they still use he/she identifiers. (Actual interview in 2017, it just didn’t get explained to the player until post-EW in a random awkward way).

>Kill Zenos
>Game goes to shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNe-ZNBHWWM

>>720401526
Yea she admitted it was to "test the waters"
>It's a Surprise Tool That Will Help Us Later

>>720401473
Again, you're way too hung up on the mech analogy. There was no point at which Zodiark existed and Elidibus climbed into the seat. Elidibus was unmade and his body and soul were transmuted into the heart of Zodiark. Other Ancient souls were used as fuel to shape the body of Zodiark around the heart. Zodiark then ripped his own heart out and shaped it back into Elidibus so he could act as mediator for the debates in Amaurot.
It is literally the same act as an Ascian leaving a body. It's the same thing as Ardbert killing himself so he can go to the Source and just be a bodiless soul. He's still Ardbert. And Elidibus can jump into his body and use it freely because it's empty. That's what Fandaniel did. Elidibus is not a "pilot", he's Zodiark. Fandaniel is a "pilot" jumping into a soulless Zodiark body. Elidibus is what makes Zodiark Zodiark. He's Zodiark Prime. The crystal heart of Zodiark that acts as his soul. Do you need me to hold your hand through this concept further? I can try to explain it like I would to a kindergartener.

>>720393132
Archduke of Transphobia (ultimate)

>>720400647
Way too big, she's cuter when she's petite.

>>720401408
thats a lewd bikini Spheeeen

>>720401378
>does nothing but shit on lore
>abhorrent fights that make LotA look complex
>bland music
>only 1 good armor set
>dogshit story that contradicts itself for unnecessary drama
Truly awful from start to finish, people act like DT was a breach of trust but I already felt that way for all of EW

>>720401694
>Elidibus was unmade and his body and soul were transmuted into the heart of Zodiark.
That's not what happens in the actual game at all and the ending of pandaemonium proves you wrong when Elidibus/Themis is brought forth by Athena from the memory of his own soul in the aetherial sea.
> Other Ancient souls were used as fuel to shape the body of Zodiark around the heart. Zodiark then ripped his own heart out and shaped it back into Elidibus so he could act as mediator for the debates in Amaurot.
Which would only make sense if Elidibus was not actually Zodiark. Just the person in control of the construct. A pilot if you will.

>And Elidibus can jump into his body and use it freely because it's empty. That's what Fandaniel did
Meaning yes, it's literally just a pilot seat, you acknowledge this. Stop with the needless semantics.

>>720359989 (OP)
>guy looks down once
>AAAAAA HE'S CRYING ALL THE TIME
why are zoomers like this? why do they think displaying emotion is some kind of horrid faux pas?

>>720359989 (OP)
Because he fostered a community of toxic positivity and with his game losing popularity the community did its best to vilify any dissenting players.

>>720401996
>That's not what happens in the actual game at all
It is, actually. You learn that in 5.2.
>and the ending of pandaemonium proves you wrong when Elidibus/Themis is brought forth by Athena from the memory of his own soul in the aetherial sea.
Are you retarded? Elidibus is dead by that point and his soul is in the Lifestream for her to manipulate. How does that prove me wrong?
>Which would only make sense if Elidibus was not actually Zodiark. Just the person in control of the construct.
No. The soul is the actual being of a person. Elidibus is Zodiark's soul. The other Ancients are the meat body the soul sits inside.
>Meaning yes, it's literally just a pilot seat, you acknowledge this.
Here, let me ask you a few simple questions:
Emet-Selch abandoned his body 12,000 years ago and has since been a soul jumping bodies as it suits him, and sometimes having no body at all. Is he still Emet-Selch?
Ardbert killed himself to unseat his soul from his body so he could travel to the Source. He then appears as a bodiless ghost throughout Shadowbringers. Is he still Ardbert? How about his body? Is it actually his corpse that's the real Ardbert?

>>720401408
>master1200

>post zodiark
>emet-kun goes into overdrive

wasnt Elidibus' soul sucked by the crystal tower or whatever? or are we talking about Elidibus from the past?

>>720399529
me when I post my shitty roulette for the nth day in a row because i literally do nothing else in my life

>>720402340
GARLEMALD UBER ALLES WE MUST SECURE THE EXISTENCE OF OUR EMPIRE AND A FUTURE FOR GARLEAN CHILDREN

>>720402123
They grew up on the internet only knowing about drama farming, ragebaiting, and being at the conditioned mercy of the engagement algorithm. The literal only thing they know how to do is shitpost something to death. It doesn't help that like half of /v/ is third worlders who only have a smart phone and thus cannot play most of these games anyway.

>>720402183
>How does that prove me wrong?
Because Venat had her soul completely devoured by being Hyadelyn whereas Elidibus didn't and could freely jump in and out of Zodiark, and keep in mind that Elidibus died waaaaay later than when Zodiark did and only becomes he was slowly getting mulched by the CT
>No. The soul is the actual being of a person. Elidibus is Zodiark's soul. The other Ancients are the meat body the soul sits inside.
And then Fandaniel jumped into the pilot seat proving that Zodiark was just a soul meat mech. Elidibus was merely the one who was meant to pilot it given that he was the most impartial member of the Convocation of 14 as the emissary.
>Here, let me ask you a few simple questions:
Your questions make no sense since they inherently misunderstand the idea of what a pilot is. Lahabrea was controlling Thancred during the tail end of ARR, does that mean that Lahabrea WAS Thancred during the tail end of ARR?

>"Are you so determined to make FFXIV threads?
ONE LAST CHANCE."

Nuke ranked, fucking bullshit trash retarded dead game die and burn and announce end of service tonight I don't care

got the game, reshade, and mods working on linux, the future is bright lads

Does anyone want to do relic roulettes?

>>720403301
>pvp

>>720402123
It's not about the picture itself, it's the reputation Yoshi-P has had, crying over various things, whether valid or not, over his time as producer. You're autistically focusing too much exclusively on the image and ignoring the greater context of what everyone knows and has seen with Yoshi-P in live letters and other moments captured on video.

>>720403301
>cheater
dont care faggot keep crying

>>720388427
"Your tank stance if off."
Alternatively "Turn your fucking tank stance on. How'd you get this far into the game?"

>>720398487
remember that leftards are also all in on climate change rhetoric so of course they would gooble up Eco friendly garbage like electric cars

>>720388427
ur tank stance is off lol

welp
it's nice to see they actually take criticism seriously and sent poochie back to her planet

>>720405007
Rest in Piss

which expansion had the cutest grils?

>>720404331
>>720404331
Thanks for this contextless, random image post, bot anon!
Hope you update your script soon!

>>720405042
>doesn't even react
>doesn't try to wipe it off immediately
Man cutscenes suck ass in this game.

>>720405145
Never been in shock?

>>720405095
I want to expand their butts, breasts and bellies.

I uninstalled and unsubbed the moment the interview from gamescom came out. Saying that the big class change for 8.0 will be minimal.
>If you enjoy how classes play now don't worry it won't be very different in 8.0

>>720405095
replace honey b with Neyuni and it's my family picture

>>720405234
>HOMOgenizatiofags in suicide watch

>>720405234
>they won't be different but we're adding things
I too look forward to another button tacked onto my two minute CDs.

>>720402987
>Because Venat had her soul completely devoured by being Hyadelyn
Because she intentionally burned it as fuel to its last drop in your battle, which she tells you she was going to do beforehand.
>whereas Elidibus didn't
Because he was fought and had the excess primal bullshit purged from around his soul by being sucked into the Crystal Tower. He died, so his soul reverted to normal.
>and could freely jump in and out of Zodiark
When did you imagine this happened?
>and keep in mind that Elidibus died waaaaay later than when Zodiark did
What does this have to do with anything? This further proves me right.
>And then Fandaniel jumped into the pilot seat proving that Zodiark was just a soul meat mech.
So was Ardbert just a pilot for his own body then? Because Elidibus also hopped into Ardbert's body and started using it like a mech. That's how you think it works, right?
>Your questions make no sense
I notice you didn't answer any of my questions. Why is that?
>Lahabrea was controlling Thancred during the tail end of ARR, does that mean that Lahabrea WAS Thancred during the tail end of ARR?
No you stupid nigger, that is literally my point. Lahabrea is Lahabrea regardless of what body he's in, regardless of if he's even inside a body at all. Because Lahabrea's soul is Lahabrea. The same way Ardbert is still Ardbert even after he leaves his body. The same way Elidibus is still Zodiark even after leaving his body. You lost and got raped. Next time don't skip cutscenes, bitch.

Let Ishikawa do the MSQ from now on, all of it. Let other hacks do side stuff like trials.

>>720394554
You ruined it with this one. They would never tie a healing skill to dps anymore. You'd be encouraged to press the VPR one on cooldown.

>>720405864
I encourage parsetrannies to heroically take their own lives.

>>720405634
it's crazy how we went from
>he wrote the werlyt chain? nice
to
>don't even let him touch msq ever again

>>720405971
>he wrote the werlyt chain? nice
Only copers said this. We all saw the currently ongoing Zero arc and knew it was fucked.

Something tasted like rotting fish in my bag of peanuts and I swallowed it. Is it over for me?

>>720383908
lmao this game is so fucking dead. there is literally zero hope that this game will ever be turned around

>>720359989 (OP)
It's a trick he learned from Jordan Peterson.
First time people see someone cry, they tend to pay attention and feel sympathetic.
After the hundredth time, it's obvious that it's either a ploy or they're a blubbering crybaby vagina.

>>720406163
Go to the doctor if you feel sick.

>>720405634
Ishitkawa was already out of ideas before she even finished writing Endwalker. She stepped down for a reason.

>xiv? yeah i hate that game
>did you know it's dead?
>it's not? you're coping
>anyway, here's my folder dump

>>720405538
>Because she intentionally burned it as fuel to its last drop in your battle
She said she had reserved some power for it not that she was going to eat her soul to fight you. Which also doesn't make sense seeing as we destroy Emet by blasting his soul with aether like we did Nabrieles yet he still ends up in the aetherial sea.
> had the excess primal bullshit purged from around his soul by being sucked into the Crystal Tower. He died, so his soul reverted to normal.
Nigga what?
He didn't die until he got drained by the CT completely...except unlike Venat he still ended up in the aetherial sea.
>This further proves me right.
This proves the two aren't the same, what are you on about?
>Because Elidibus also hopped into Ardbert's body and started using it like a mech. That's how you think it works, right?
Yes, Ardbert's body belongs to Ardbert, Elidibus is not Ardbert he's just controlling his body. Zodiark is a distinct entity from Elidibus too, made from the souls of millions of ancients.
>I notice you didn't answer any of my questions. Why is that?
Because you lack eyes with which to see Mount Tai.
> Lahabrea is Lahabrea regardless of what body he's in
And Elidibus is Elidibus, not Zodiark end of discussion.

>>720405234
Same. I deleted the game after that interview and have felt zero temptation to login for the first time in years. I'm all out of copes.

>>720406280
getting ignored at the tranny fc house party? keep trying

>>720406286
>She said she had reserved some power for it not that she was going to eat her soul to fight you
Said reserved power being her soul.
>Which also doesn't make sense seeing as we destroy Emet by blasting his soul with aether like we did Nabrieles yet he still ends up in the aetherial sea.
They both ended up there. You don't understand how that technique works. A blade of light kills an Ascian by mimicking the effects the Lifestream has on a soul. What it does is force them into the aetherial sea by creating an artificial current to blast at them.
>He didn't die until he got drained by the CT completely...except unlike Venat he still ended up in the aetherial sea.
He was already dead in the CT, just not dissolved. The CT's battery is just a big lake of aether. You also don't know what the aetherial sea is. The aetherial sea, aka the Lifestream, is just the term used to refer to all the aether which comprises the world as a whole. It's the entire aetherial realm. It's not a special area of aether underground.
>Yes, Ardbert's body belongs to Ardbert, Elidibus is not Ardbert he's just controlling his body.
>Because you lack eyes with which to see Mount Tai.
Is Ardbert still Ardbert after leaving his body behind? Answer the question. You can't do it because you know you'll be further raping your own point.
>And Elidibus is Elidibus
Actually, he's Zodiark. Elidibus's soul was transmuted into the soul of Zodiark.

>>720406163
Large bug carcass

>>720406547
congrats or i'm sorry that happened

>>720400812
>>720400997
>>720401408
lusting after alphinaud is based

>>720406654
That's what I thought, bitch. Next time don't skip cutscenes if you want to talk about the lore.

>>720386545
Nomura is of the same breed as Inafune: "glorified character designer".
Both of them were given many accolades simply for drawing some cool pictures. Their ego inflated and seniority gained, they, and those around them, mistakenly got the idea that they could do other things as well as they could draw characters.
Inafune ruined Mega Man by usurping the titular character with his own fan character Zero, and then went on to fuck up Mega Man Legends 3 and blame the company for his fuck ups.
Nomura, on the other hand, spent so long designing and redesigning 15's characters that the game was delayed for TEN YEARS and all they did was release and rerelease character renders for a vapourware game.

>>720406750
go to /ffxivg/ if you want to discuss the lore

>>720381367
I love how this stupid fucking fake mmo was only allowed to be popular for 2 years kek

>>720406547
>They both ended up there. You don't understand how that technique works. A blade of light kills an Ascian by mimicking the effects the Lifestream has on a soul. What it does is force them into the aetherial sea by creating an artificial current to blast at them.
Trapping them in white auracite and then hitting them as hard as we can with aether doesn't send them to the aetherial sea, it straight up destroys the soul since souls too are made of aether.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWVAhKFsrNA
>He was already dead in the CT
He wasn't dead until we used him to go to the past.
>You can't do it because you know you'll be further raping your own point.
Because your initial questions fundamentally misunderstood what pilot is and trying to sealion won't work on me. Ardbert is Ardbert this is not under any contention, Elidibus being Zodiark is and I'm arguing that they are two seperate beings hence me calling Elidibus a pilot.
>Actually, he's Zodiark. Elidibus's soul was transmuted into the soul of Zodiark.
And then Fandaniel jumped into the pilot seat :)

>>720406534
can you project less?

>>720401586
TRANNYZOS

>>720359989 (OP)
Did he fire Kate yet? I've sent in 100 complaints so far from 100 different accounts all providing proof of her conduct and asking for her position to be surplus to requirement. As did Stardiver with Susan Calloway so I will continue to do until Square Enix fires Kate. Join in if you can, the more voices the merrier.

>>720407371
>Trapping them in white auracite and then hitting them as hard as we can with aether doesn't send them to the aetherial sea
Yes, it does. The process mimics an aetherial current. All currents of aether are the aetherial sea. Before you try to argue, I preemptively raped you here >>720406750
>it straight up destroys the soul since souls too are made of aether.
It 'destroys' the soul in the same sense the Lifestream does, because that's what you do. You're just forcing the Ascian into the Lifestream.
>He wasn't dead until we used him to go to the past.
He was, his soul was just lingering and still being scrubbed clean by the Lifestream's processes that they drill into your head during EW.
>Because your initial questions fundamentally misunderstood what pilot is
It's funny because the pilot analogy you can't let go of was first introduced to this discussion to explain to retards like you how and why the Zodiark in EW is not actually Zodiark at all and is just an empty meat suit. Elidibus is never described as a 'pilot' in the game at all. He's not. He's the soul of Zodiark.
>Ardbert is Ardbert this is not under any contention
Good, you're understanding. What a good little bitch you are!
>Elidibus being Zodiark is and I'm arguing that they are two seperate beings
Well you can argue all you like, but the game and side stories and the lorebook are all very clear that Elidibus was transmuted into the soul of Zodiark, and the Elidibus you see before you is the soul of Zodiark that shaped itself into a familiar face to aid in his duty of reconciling the two factions. Eat shit, stupid faggot.

>>720401501
WHERE IS FINARU FANTASYU FOTEEN?

>>720407840
>Nooo we can't be hateful here!!!
>Mastodon
They'll get ripped apart there lmao. I'm enjoying the timeline where lefties are getting shit on.

>Jobs will change,
But
>They also won't
Well which is it? Can this fucker speak plainly for once?
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-14-director-yoshi-p-says-the-long-awaited-job-redesign-will-change-things-but-also-wont-which-doesnt-clear-much-of-anything-up/

>>720401501
Source?

>>720408082
She's being driven off Twitter because it's not a hugbox anymore, and now even Bluesky won't tolerate her bullshit so she's going to Mastodon. If she going to cry on the forums again for FF14 to have an official Mastodon account like she did for Bluesky? I fucking hate this danger haired cunt, it's so unreal. All she had to do was translate Japanese into English and stay off social media.
Fuck me I haven't heard a single thing in all the years Koji was lead localiser about him typing some retarded shit on social media, Kate takes the helm for a couple of years and has tanked the reputation of the game, not all by herself but she's definitely done a lot of harm to it's image.

>>720407840
>mastodon

you mean where all the loli/shota artists are?

>>720408341
Say no more. I'm signing up now.

>>720407892
>destroy soul
>but not really because lol okay
Your lore snippet literally only explains how aether works within the concept of the conservation of energy not how destroying a soul suddenly ends with that soul entact within the aetherial sea where souls get reincarnated.
>He was, his soul was just lingering
No. he was trapped in the crystal tower and getting sapped to fuel the thing he wasn't completely dead until you go to the past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05Dsij325HI
>ell you can argue all you like, but the game and side stories and the lorebook are all very clear that Elidibus was transmuted into the soul of Zodiark
They are not the same entity. This is even acknowledged in game. Elidibus was the pilot and once again Fandaniel jumped into the pilot seat. lmao.

>>720407840
No, and she's not going to be fired at all. Everything that was put in DT was approved from the bottom to the top by Yoshi P.

>>720408517
The complaints will continue until morale is improve and by morale I mean Kate is fired.

>>720408340
crazy that corpos let alone jap corpos let people mouth off on social media. im a literal nobody cog in a corpo and i have a nda and social media policy.

>>720408414
>Your lore snippet literally only explains how aether works within the concept of the conservation of energy not how destroying a soul suddenly ends with that soul entact within the aetherial sea where souls get reincarnated.
My lore snippet was to explain to you that the aetherial sea, the aetherial realm, and the Lifestream are all synonyms used to refer to all the planet's aether as a whole. The blade of light just creates a huge artificial current of aether which forces the Ascian into the Lifestream. The soul is not obliterated, you're just forcing a state of death onto the Ascian.
>They are not the same entity. This is even acknowledged in game.
It is acknowledged in the game, in the opposite sense you're arguing. The Elidibus you deal with throughout the game is the heart of Zodiark which unseated itself and took on the shape of Elidibus. The original Elidibus, the Themis you meet in Pandaemonium, sacrificed himself to become the heart. He was transmuted. He's not a guy jumping in and out of a pilot's seat. You are beyond obsessed with this analogy that does not apply. Elidibus never 'entered' a pilot seat. He died and his body and soul were restructured into Zodiark's heart. The heart was then removed and took on the appearance of Elidibus. This left an empty spot in the Zodiark body for Fandaniel to occupy the same way an empty corpse allows an Ascian to occupy it.

>>720408629
>The Elidibus you deal with throughout the game is the heart of Zodiark which unseated itself and took on the shape of Elidibus. The original Elidibus, the Themis you meet in Pandaemonium, sacrificed himself to become the heart. He was transmuted. He's not a guy jumping in and out of a pilot's seat.
They are the same person, that's why Elidibus remembers you in Elpis, the only time you ever met Elidibus in Elpis was during the Pandaemonium raids which is further acknowledged during the ending of the raid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHIqfMV-IxY
Elidibus is not Zodiark nor was he ever, he was merely the pilot. This is said in the game.

>>720408615
I can only imagine it's because she's doing it and feels safe because a lot of people in CS3 and the community team at Square Enix agree with her, I mean they have a Californian identity politics professor on their Board of Directors with the name Tracey Fullerton, hired in June 2024, who could be backing up Kate.
Or it could be a language barrier because most Japs don't use English speaking social media not least of which Bluesky so just think if people complain about her it's "stupid Gaijin who cares".
Or could also be their complaints department has to go through people she is familiar with because it would have to be translated from English into Japanese for Japs to read it and the translators might simply not pass on the complaints effectively acting as a block so Kate is completely safe.

>>720408838
>They are the same person
Yes and no. The true Elidibus's soul is there, but reshaped into the heart of Zodiark. It is Elidibus, and it is also not Elidibus because it has been transmuted into something else.
>that's why Elidibus remembers you in Elpis
Everything about Elidibus's soul is still there. It is simply reshaped. He is Elidibus, and he is Zodiark's heart. He is not a pilot, he is the soul of Elidibus reshaped into a crystal heart of a primal which then takes on the appearance of Elidibus.
>Elidibus is not Zodiark nor was he ever, he was merely the pilot. This is said in the game.
Go on and post it then, because I've already posted my proof that you are 100% absolutely wrong. You're just being a stubborn little faggot at this point.

If your next post does not include a screencap of the game saying Elidibus is not Zodiark, you concede.

>>720408120
The only thing he does is speak plainly, you just only have eyes for shitposts.

>>720361695
>>720361076
>>720360064
>>720359989 (OP)
Don't you have a life, OP?

>>720409171
Like you're doing now and shitposting. Ban you from /xivg/ again for troll posting?

>>720409018
>game outright states that they destroy ascian souls when hitting them with fat amounts of aether
>doesn't count because lol
>Elidibus outright states that Zodiark is a seperate entity
>this doesn't count becasuse lol
>Themis/Elidibus shows that he is in fact himself and not a Zodiark tulpa
>doesn't count because lol
>Crystal Heart out of nowhere when its established in EW that the giant crystals are in fact just random masses of aether

>Go on and post it then, because I've already posted my proof that you are 100% absolutely wrong.
You haven't you've merely tried to argue that Elidibus and Zodiark are the same but somehow also not the same simultaneously even though a clear distinction is made.
>If your next post does not include a screencap of the game saying Elidibus is not Zodiark, you concede.
You saw me post a cutscene where Elidibus refers to Zodiark as a seperate entity

>>720409394
>game outright states that they destroy ascian souls when hitting them with fat amounts of aether
It kills the soul, it doesn't obliterate it and remove it from existence.
>Elidibus outright states that Zodiark is a seperate entity
The Elidibus in your screenshot has already been killed and is no longer the heart of Zodiark.
>Themis/Elidibus shows that he is in fact himself and not a Zodiark tulpa
Who's talking about a Zodiark tulpa? Do you even know what you're talking about?
>Crystal Heart out of nowhere when its established in EW that the giant crystals are in fact just random masses of aether
Looks like you need to do Binding Coil. All primals have a crystal heart at their core. That's where the 'Prime' entity is. Which Elidibus is for Zodiark.
>You haven't you've merely tried to argue that Elidibus and Zodiark are the same but somehow also not the same simultaneously
This really isn't complicated. Ready, little baby? Pay close attention:
Elidibus dies and his soul is restructured to become the heart of Zodiark.
The heart of Zodiark removes itself from Zodiark.
The heart of Zodiark takes on the appearance of Elidibus.
This heart of Zodiark, which takes on the appearance of Elidibus, is the 'Elidibus' you see throughout the game up until you kill it in 5.3

Was that simplified enough for you, illiterate nigger?

>>720409290
>"no u" and projection
I accept your concession.

I'll take that as a yes you were banned from /xivg/ again for trolling.

>>720391463
>level up my healers
>the absolute majority of my actions are cooldowns, and a bunch of them do more or less the same thing

>>720408120
Probably just going to slap some system similar to Phantom jobs on top of the garbage we already have and call it a day. No way they are actually going to fucking fix 20+ Jobs

>>720395884
sorry i am a bot, beep boop

just curious, how many people itt are still even playing...

>>720410134
Most posts in /v/ XIV threads are made by people who have never played XIV.

>>720409636
>It kills the soul, it doesn't obliterate it and remove it from existence.
No shit, then why does Venat's soul get destroyed but not Emet's or incidently Lahabrea's, who suffered a similar fate when he was eaten by Thordan.
>The Elidibus in your screenshot has already been killed and is no longer the heart of Zodiark.
ELIDIBUS DOES NOT DIE UNTIL YOU GO BACK IN TEAM, WATCH THE CUTSCENE LMAOOOOOOO
> Do you even know what you're talking about?
>The Elidibus you deal with throughout the game is the heart of Zodiark which unseated itself and took on the shape of Elidibus.
Goldfish memory
>All primals have a crystal heart at their core
Not really universal, the core of Susanoo are his three regalia for instance.

>This heart of Zodiark, which takes on the appearance of Elidibus, is the 'Elidibus' you see throughout the game up until you kill it in 5.3
It's the actual Elidibus/Themis because Elidibus/Themsis makes it clear as he was pulled from the memories of Elidibus' soul and Elidibus remembers your time together doing the Pandaemonium raids.

>>720410134
Well while you ponder the replies that are pouring in, here is the result of a poll that was made on the reception of Dawntrail's story.

>>720410320
You're a WoW exodus player.

>>720410463
Nope!

>>720410338
>mamooljews tell us we dont really speak like savages tricking youre echo magic translator speak powers
>boring ass slog til vagilarmanda
>more boring ass slog
>get to the golden city gate
>nah we gotta go back
>go to the western town area
>its sucks
>speen fight...SPEEEEEEN LISTEN TO ME

there was not one fun part in the msq. wow.

>>720378056
>KH not having a proper ending
Well yeah, KH4 is coming

>>720411432
whats wrong now?

>>720410329
>No shit, then why does Venat's soul get destroyed but not Emet's or incidently Lahabrea's
Because Venat very explicitly burned out her soul completely. She did not get sent to the Lifestream. The primal Hydaelyn consumed the entire thing down to its last mote.
>ELIDIBUS DOES NOT DIE UNTIL YOU GO BACK IN TEAM
HE IS ALREADY IN AN ARTIFICIAL LIFESTREAM GETTING SCRUBBED, THE ZODIARK ASPECT WAS VANQUISHED WHEN HE WAS DUNKED IN THERE, HE IS NOT ZODIARK ANYMORE AT THAT POINT
>Goldfish memory
Yes, you do have a goldfish memory. Pic related.
>Not really universal, the core of Susanoo are his three regalia for instance.
Those were the summoning catalysts.
>It's the actual Elidibus/Themis
It is the actual soul of Themis, which was turned into the heart of Zodiark. The "Elidibus" you deal with throughout the game is the heart of Zodiark (made from Elidibus's soul) in the shape of Elidibus. Pic related. Eat shit, lorelet faggot retard.

how do you respond to this without sounding mad

>>720359989 (OP)
Yoshitpiss

>>720412042
>Because Venat very explicitly burned out her soul completely
Then why wasn't Emet's or Lahabrea's?
>HE IS ALREADY IN AN ARTIFICIAL LIFESTREAM GETTING SCRUBBED
HE'S IN THE CRYSTAL TOWER GETTING DRAINED AS FUEL FOR THE THING, G'RAHA EXPLAINS THIS IN THE CUTSCENE POST SEAT OF SACRIFACE, HE THEN DIES AFTER HE SENDS YOU BACK IN TIME AND HAS HIS SOUL SENT TO THE AETHERIAL SEA WHERE HIS MEMORIES ARE PULLED FROM HIS SOUL BY ATHENA IN THE MODERN DAY KEKAROOOOOO.
>Yes, [I] do have a goldfish memory.
KEKAROOOOO
>Those were the summoning catalysts.
Are the core of his being, just like Iceheart and Thordan XIV were for their respective primals and just like Nidhoggs eyes were for Shinryu.
>The "Elidibus" you deal with throughout the game is the heart of Zodiark (made from Elidibus's soul) in the shape of Elidibus
That's the ACTUAL Elidibus/Themsis, Elidibus confirms as such when he remembers you in Elpis and Themis confirms as such when he recounts the events that lead up to you going to Pandaemonium.
> THE ZODIARK ASPECT WAS VANQUISHED WHEN
LITERAL FANFICTION ON YOUR END, KEKAROOO FANDANIEL JUMPED INTO THE PILOT SEAT BTW

>>720409935
damn it's almost like leveling alt jobs is useless