Thread 720365531

>Once considered the apex of fantasy RPGs
>Now completely and utterly forgotten, not a single thread or any discussions about it

Sequels ruined it

>>720365750
This
It was a bit rough in origins but they lobotomized the franchise with 2 and it never recovered

>>720365971
2 was kino and could the the GOAT if it didn't have like 1 and half year of dev time due to EA kikes

>Even having the slightest, micro bit of hope that EA could make a good game in the modern day
Kek, fell for it again award

cos asoif hit mainstream and people realised everything in dao is stolen from the first book

>>720366351
Maybe, in hindsight I was too harsh on it and hepler by extension

>>720365750
I played Origins recently and It's not very good.

>>720365531 (OP)
Who the fuck ever considered it to be the apex
People just hoped that it would be the BG1 to a later DA2 so they were generally positive
Look how that turned out

>>720365750
This

>>720366646
>too harsh on it and hepler
DA2 is pretty much the proto-gamergate

>>720365531 (OP)
It was always trash tho
>day 1 dlc which advertises itself via npcs
>wow combat but slow and jank and cargo culting D&Dogshit mechanics
>tryhard edgy "haha elves have to live in ghettos!!!" setting that thinks it's so cool and rebellious but is also by the book tolkienshit, cut from the same piss stained, unsightly and unfinished cloth as A Song of Ice and Fire
>cringe woke "ser" shit
>typical bioshit relationshit simulator nonsense with "le companions"
>zero exploration, at most you have a few 'random' encounters while fast traveling, every level is 'that level' with some annoying gimmick
The dog was a fun party member to have. He was also the only one not doing dumbass marvel quips constantly.

>>720366685
Everyone with any clue of RPGs played Origins 20 years ago already. Your post only exposes you as a retarded kid with no valuable opinions about anything.

>>720366979
>>tryhard edgy "haha elves have to live in ghettos!!!" setting that thinks it's so cool and rebellious but is also by the book tolkienshit, cut from the same piss stained, unsightly and unfinished cloth as A Song of Ice and Fire
fucking this fine piece of knife ear ass knowing all of that in context gave me such a boner though

>>720366990
I played it when it first released as well you retard. It's a mediocre game.

>>720366979
>tryhard edgy "haha elves have to live in ghettos!!!" setting that thinks it's so cool and rebellious but is also by the book tolkienshit, cut from the same piss stained, unsightly and unfinished cloth as A Song of Ice and Fire
I dislike statements like this because it means you decided not to engage with the world or story on its own merits and are instead projecting a bunch of things due to your own limited experience.

>>720365531 (OP)
I still play it once a year purely for the story.

>>720365531 (OP)
It has 3 issues
>it's 15 years old
>all of its sequels sucked
>the franchise's identity was never upheld, and thus the bastardization of the IP makes it difficult to remain relevant

>>720366351
>2 was kino
Get out Gaider
there were Bioware devs on a panel at that year's PAX that basically said "it was experimental and we had no idea what we were doing", just so as not to get shat on any further. That is the best way Bioware has handled any criticism in the past 15 years, and never did it again. Greg Zechuk, one of the Bioware heads had come out trying to sell the DLC with "we fixed it guys, honest", only EA was still selling a shitty game for $60, and the DLC that "fixed" it, didn't actually fix shit, but was less shit than the base game. DA2 was anti-consumer and botched. It flopped as it deserved.

>>720365531 (OP)
I mean it was fun but wasn't the apex. It wasn't even the best bioware had to offer.

>>720367682
Name another RPG that isn't about stopping the big bad. Name another RPG that takes place in a city over years and years and focuses on the player survivng and making ends meet as a refugee instead of le cool adventure. Name another RPG where your companions have their own lives and their differences culminate in a fight to the death instead of le epic speech about our differences aside for the greater good!

Da2 is rushed but pure kino. The fact that normies and redditors shit on it due to the "recycled" areas while ignoring everything great about it only further cements its status as a flawed masterpiece

It was always a mediocre title that simply released during a cRPG drought. It was lauded as BioWare returning to form after their previous few games were consolized RPGs made for the Xbox.

>>720366990
the fuck is wrong with you?

>>720367864
>do a thing badly
>it is the best PRG that does the thing
Nobody cares. Nobody is giving $60 for a bad game. Everything else is just cope.

>>720365750
the last panel shouldnt have boobs it should have breast removal surgery scars

>>720365531 (OP)
It was thoroughly mediocre but came out out in the great wrpg drought so people thought it was better than it was. Also what >>720365750 said, the sequels being complete dumpster fires tainted its legacy.

>>720366990
>DAO is 20 yo

>>720367864
very flawed masterpiece. Which lands it about the same as the pure mid of 7/10 of inquisition. Only Failguard is literally unplayable

>>720365531 (OP)
>>720368034
>>720367884
The lore and worldbuilding in DA is unironically better than Baldur's Gate or LOTR or ASOIAF

>>720367168
>plays mediocre games over and over again
Yes, sure, buddy.

>>720368086
Inquisition is far worse, by the grace of being way more political correct.
>Walk around forest
>Varric and Solas argue
>#NotAllElves you insensitive dwarf
>I am sorry for being so discriminatory
>Varric and Cassandra talk
>#NotAllDwarves, you insensitive wench
>I am sorry for being discriminatory, also I will try to arrest you in 5 minutes for no reason
>Help me, Inquisitor
>That wasn't funny at all, but let's repeat it 15 more times

>>720368086
>Comparing one of the most original and ambitious RPGS ever that was developed in less than 2 years to a shitty single player MMO trash developed over 5 years

ngmi

>>720365750
same goes for mass effect

>>720368153
No it isn't you contrarian faggot.

>people don't talk about a 30 year old game that often

no shit amigo

>>720365531 (OP)
It wasn't considered the apex, it was considered the start of a potential renaissance. Bioware hadn't gone to shit back then, and a non third person RPG with actual choices seemed like it might bring the genre back.
Then the series got utterly butchered and Inquisition, despite selling relatively well, put it in the clear tumblr fantasy camp rather than anything serious.
It wasn't until pathfinder and original sin before RPGs started to try clawing their way back to relevance

DA2 is the game where they gutted all the writing to make it a gay dating sim which slams you with gay shit if you're playing it like DA:O, exhausting dialogue and getting gifts for reputation to unlock companion quests.

Anders literally locks you in a "wanna fuck, male Hawk?" with your answers being
>yes (serious <3)
>Oh yeah baby boi (funny <3)
>no (-15 to reputation you HOMOPHOBE!!!)

And for that alone it's belongs in the trash.
Veilguard was not a surprise whatsoever after this.

>>720365531 (OP)
>>720365750
Basically

>>720367864
>and focuses on the player survivng and making ends meet as a refugee instead of le cool adventure.
motherfucker are you reading off a 2 decade old PR sheet? One of the key problems DA2 had was that the rags to ritches sub plot got solved in a fucking time skip. You go on one expedition (which is absolutely portrayed as le cool adventure) for seed money and the rest is sorted out for you.
An RPG that has you start at the bottom and work your way up isn't special in the slightest, no matter if they forgo using a chosen one synonym.

>>720368386
>put it in the clear tumblr fantasy camp rather than anything serious
It really is insane how these kind of releases just completely mutilates the fanbase of a game.
After inquisition the series stopped being for people who played DAO or DA2 but instead for people who played DAI (despite that being a much smaller percentage than either two)

>>720367864
>b-but it's unique!
That doesn't make it automatically good

>>720368480
Even DAO had Zevran, it might've been Patient Zero for the AIDS that's infected crpgs.

>>720368372
we used to get threads occasionally before veilguard about the series overall, he is right veilguard was so shit and such a flop ending it killed most discussion of the series in general though

>>720368274
>b-but please consider the development time!
Na. Game wasn't fun half the time and Inquisition at least looked cool
>>720368262
>Goofy elf whose whole job is to mock baldy for being elf rights. Baldy turns out to be baddy
>one ftm character buried among bull's soldiers. Get in trouble for using non trans voice actor
>mage circle fan is black, tumblr lose their shit because being a mage in a tower is like being black irl or something
Ten years later
>so I'm non-binary

>>720368787
We still do, and normalfags started to play DAO looking back on it fondly to remember the good old times compared to Troonguard, you can literally go to youtube and find comparisons between the two right now
The game isn't forgotten at all and OP is a faggot

>>720367864
Pillars of Eternity

>>720368329
Yes it is. LOTR is high fantasy boreslop. ASOIAF is dark fantasy edgyslop. Baldur's Gate is trash where everyone lives everywhere and races, locations, nations etc are irrelevant, not to mention how generic and shitty the story is

In comparison DAO is the perfect combination of epic and dark fantasy, different nations and races with their own culture and story, cool factions, Wardens, Templars, Mages, the Qun, the Tevinters etc

>>720368153
>The lore and worldbuilding in DA is unironically better than Baldur's Gate or LOTR or ASOIAF
Lol, no. What the fuck? Read some books, you dumb cunt.

>>720368372
People still make threads about Vice City and other 2000s games

>>720368480
>People like you less if they're into you and you're not

Shocking for basement dwellers, no surprise here

>>720369034
>slop slop slop
expand your vocabulary and try again or fuck off

>>720365531 (OP)
>>Once considered the apex of fantasy RPGs
By underages for whom it was baby's first RPG

>>720368262
You could still punch your companions and tell them to go away if you didn't like them. Dorian, who is actually a based gay character, leaves if you're a bastard all the time. Cassandra gets drunk, calls you names and berates herself for giving you all this power. Even Varric and Sera can leave, and Bull betrays you in the Trespasser DLC if you told him to kill his squad in the main game. You could actually be a zealot asshole Inquisitor sentencing people to death left and right, while Veilguard doesn't even let you argue with your companions or let you ask them "indelicate" questions.

>>720366979
>>tryhard edgy "haha elves have to live in ghettos!!!" setting that thinks it's so cool and rebellious but is also by the book tolkienshit, cut from the same piss stained, unsightly and unfinished cloth as A Song of Ice and Fire
What a mishmash hodpepodge of retarded opinions

>>720368945
Uhm no? Unless we count Durance, the only kino thing about that derivative dogshit loredump of a game

I remember when DA:O was considered the harbinger of a new cRPG renaissance because we hadn't gotten any cRPGs for... 5 years
Frankly ridiculous looking back with modern dev times

>>720369206
Inquisitor is one of the worst and most boring MCs ever. Even the "evil" options are heavily watered down compared to DA2 let alone DA:O. Being better than Failguard where you literally cannot disagree with your faggot companions isn't exactly a compliment

>>720367864
>Isn't about stopping the big bad
>Is literally about stopping several big bads that threaten Kirkwall over a period of time
staying in one city and reusing assets to save budget as a positive
even then, thinking this is the only game that has you in one city
>"companions have their own lives"
as if we haven't had companions that went through their own personal shit in other games
like Neverwinter nights 1&2, Baldur's Gate 2, KotoR2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1&2, Arcanum etc.
I just fucking listed almost every RPG Bioware made before DA2
>culminate in a fight to the death instead of le epic speech about our differences aside for the greater good
literally every Bioware RPG since Baldur's Gate
>>Da2 is rushed but pure kino
It was the worst RPG Bioware had put out.
>The fact that normies and redditors shit on it due to the "recycled" areas while ignoring everything great about it only further cements its status as a flawed masterpiece
There's nothing about DA2 to make it a flawed masterpiece. Nobody liked it, except modern revisionists. It was always shit. Anyone who likes it, is a fucking idiot.

>>720369034
Anon, Baldurs Gate is a trade port that doesn't have strong cultural ties due to being relatively young. It's military were literally just mercenaries. Of course it lacks racial identity, that's not how it was founded. Forgotten Realms still has elven cities, Dwarven kingdoms, and undead empires.

>>720368153
opinions like this are why democracies fail and why humanity will wipe itself out.

>>720369206
I really don't care. I only kinda liked Blackwall in the entire game. You can't play the entire game with 0 companions. I think Inquisitor was the dumbest, most useless protagonist I had seen in a Bioware game, and he was worse than the Bhaalspawn that basically didn't even have a personality. He is only marginally better than Ryder and Rook, because they are even worse. I was fucking disgusted while playing Inquisition.

>>720369398
Name 1 Bioware RPG where you have to pick a side between your companions like in Last Straw. Name one where your companions don't just follow you and stay in "camp" but you have to visit them in their own places in the city. Name 1 game where they directly and significantly interfere with the main plot a la Anders in DA2.

>>720369034
Nigger, Baldur's Gate is part of the Forgotten Realms setting. It probably eclipses DA lore with a few hundred fucking books.

>>720369034
None if what you said means anything other than you hate high fantasy which is what Bioware had done for over 10 years with good narrative, you fucking clown. They blew the RPG genre over a decade before Dragon Age and kids like you think it was the next best thing when it was the blandest system they had ever cooked up lmao.

>>720369469
Forgotten Realms is the most boring, generic and milquetoast setting in fantasy ever. Thedas shits all over it

>>720369034
>Baldur's Gate is trash where everyone lives everywhere
Just off the top of my head I can think of that halfling village in BG1, Suldanessellar the city of elves, and of course the Underdark that has different settlements, each with it's own unique races populating them because they all hate each other
You're retarded

>>720369206
>you could be an asshole with Solas, Weekes' pet character
>you could be an asshole with Dorian, Gaider's pet (gay) character
>you could even disagree with Vivienne all the time, and she was the token black character
>the companions bitched and argued with each other all the times like a normal group of different people forced together by necessities
>in Veilguard everyone gets along and there is never any kind of conflict or rivalry

Inquisition wasn't perfect, but it's a masterpiece compared to Veilguard

>>720369564
>Anders
>Thereitis.jpg
Ah, you're just a fag, simping for a fictional character.
It all makes sense now.

>>720365531 (OP)
>Downgrade from BG2 in every possible way
>Worse companions, worse combat, worse RPG system, worse art (the uncanny 3d faces have aged horribly), the only thing that ain't worse is the music
>The apex of fantasy RPGs
Nope

>>720369658
It's a song made for TTRPGs, it's got enough of whatever you want so you can pop an adventure into it, with built in lore and world building that you can use or ignore depending on where and when you want the campaign set. It's a toolbox setting, with lots of options.

>>720369764
not that anon, but Forgotten Realms is a bad setting because it's a toolbox setting.
I'd rather the DM just homebrew something than use that shit.

How does the DLC work now the EA servers are dead?
Last I checked EA pulled a
>Oh the DLC is free, even awakening! Just download and install Origin and it's free!
I bought the ultinmate on steam, I already own the DLC, I'm not installing origin, ever.
Remember when they used origin installed on peoples computers as a botnet to vote for some gay bullshit internet poll? I remember

>>720369252
>I remember when DA:O was considered the harbinger of a new cRPG renaissance
It should have been. It was the stepping stone the CRPG genre needed, if they kept all the devs and improved upon it they would be where Larian is today. Instead we got the pile of shit DA2 and we know where the studio went from there.

>>720369747
Cope. Anders is an annoying fag and yet his bombing of the chantry is kino. Even better you can kill his ass and still defend the mages

>>720369708
inquisition was real lucky to be sandwiched between total garbage games. like a mid chick with fat friends.

>>720369564
>in Last Straw
I don't know/remember what Last Straw is, but in BG1, Khaleed and Jaheira will literally start a fight to the death with Montaron and Xzar. In Neverwinter Nights 2 either Sand or Qara will betray you over the other, depending on who you sided with, etc. It's not a unique choice.
>Name one where your companions don't just follow you and stay in "camp" but you have to visit them in their own places in the city
All the companions in the Gothic series, for starters. I don't see how that's important. I'm pretty sure this is true of several jRPGs. I recall Trinity: Souls of Zil Oll, I think that's what it was called. You had a main city and 3-5 companions that you could trade out, and if you dumped one, you had to go to their spot in the city to recruit them again. Great fucking jRPG by Bamco, by the way. Much better than DA2.

>Name 1 game where they directly and significantly interfere with the main plot a la Anders in DA2.
Something like 50% of all Final Fantasy games. Star Ocean EX, Trinity Souls of Zil Oll, there's a huge number of them.

Too bad everything after DAO sucked ass through a straw. I still have greentext screencaps from the DA2 threads somewhere.
"I WANNA BE A DRAGON"

>>720369658
>>Forgotten Realms is the most boring, generic and milquetoast setting in fantasy ever. Thedas shits all over it
>meanwhile Thedas: Solas did it
so fucking deep, man
SOOOOO much better than Forgotten Realms

>>720369930
>id rather someone else put in tons of extra, pointless effort and come up with new terms, names, cultures and lore instead of using the tools they have freely at hand
I'd respect a DM who does it well, but your just an entitled player so fuck off.
The realms is great to use for a varied campaign and makes it easy to have multiple connected but not sequelized campaigns over time.

>>720370094
I'm talking about meaningful companions not helper NPCs

>>720370094
Japanese action games are not rpgs despite retards calling them JRPG. You do not choose how to talk, what relationships to have, or roleplay whatsoever. The game is not centered around player choice like Bioware RPGs are

>>720369564
>Name 1 game where they directly and significantly interfere with the main plot a la Anders in DA2.
If you weren't underaged you'd know the answer by going on the prime porn site of the day

>>720370179
I mean the real Thedas pre Cisquisition and Trannyguard ruined eveything

>>720366979
>wow combat but slow
Filtered zoom-zoomer

>>720369930
FR is very good in that you can take the setting as is, and do pretty much anything, but if your rookie players like it, they can delve deeper. While there are better setting overall, they are better suited for more seasoned audiences, and they will always be more niche. It's the reality of the situation.
Currently, I'm playing with a few other players a homebrew setting set in a low fantasy era, after the previous era went post-apocalyptic, in hopes to help grow the setting into the next era, which will be high tech/high fantasy, but able to accommodate more themes and settings. Players are receptive to currently being scrubs, and having to grind against other scrubs.

>>720370402
Cope. It's canon now, nigga!
captcha:HAWKR

>>720370339
>Well, if you eliminate all other games, and all other characters, based on arbitrary criteria, according to my interpretation, that makes me correct
You've moved the goalposts to another stadium, son. This conversation no longer has merit.

>>720370402
Maybe it could have been, but the amount of lore that surrounds the Realms trumps what tidbits we had from DA in Origins. FR can accommodate so much more than Origins can, although, I will grant it, for the size of the game, it does excellent work. Everything after that retroactively ruined all DA potential, though.

>>720365531 (OP)
>Once considered the apex of fantasy RPGs
That never happened.

>>720365531 (OP)
It wasn't an awful game, but I feel like people were just hungry for a good WRPG ever since Baldur's Gate 2, and, since it was allegedly by the same studio that made Baldur's Gate, people sung it more praise than it deserved.

Then, like >>720365750 said, the sequels came and shat everything up for good. Bad sequels can stain the name of a franchise forever, specially when the sequels are constantly bad.

I hate being a DAfag. I played all the games, own the books and comics etc and it was just all pointless.

>>720371075
If all the sequels are bad, you don't have a franchise. You have a game setting that overstayed its welcome.

>>720370219
>id rather someone else put in tons of extra, pointless effort and come up with new terms, names, cultures and lore instead of using the tools they have freely at hand
If you can't do this as a DM you shouldn't DM. I don't think I've ever met a DM who doesn't have some autistic personal setting. I can understand using FR if you just need a bit of a tutorial to really understand the concept, but settings like these are the plebian choice. At least have the decency to use Planescape or Greyhawk.

>>720371143
iktfb

>>720368304
Bioware is cancer.

>>720369982
Just pirate it all.

>>720365531 (OP)
>the apex of fantasy RPGs
Only by gringos who unironically believe Morrowind is a masterpiece because they were 12, and watch 20 hour video essays trying to convince themselves of that.

>>720372074
>gringos
back over the border with you

>>720371370
>non dm tells dm to do more work
Fuck off. There's nothing wrong with building within the framework of a setting, it let's you not worry about random shit you don't care about without just hand waving away or improvising when questions arise.
>what's the nearest town to the forest other than the one we came through
>well here's a map of the area, there's a couple nearby depending on where you exit, as well as some small villages that aren't labeled due to their size

>>720365531 (OP)
i mean, they made ONE good game. every sequel is complete trash

im mad that shes forever stuck in this garbage series that somehow gets even worse with each new installment

>>720372528
my pregnant witch bitch

>>720372152
>non-dm
Also
>There's nothing wrong with building within the framework of a setting
I agree, but choose a setting that is actually interesting first. Or, alternatively, run your own setting.
FR is a "toolbox" of a setting. Which makes it a dull setting. I don't like boring games in boring settings with boring lore. Run VTM or something cool NERD.

>>720365531 (OP)
>>Once considered the apex of fantasy RPGs
that is a fucking lie
when dao came out many people hated that it was not like baldur's gate 1-2 or neverwinter nights
I enjoyed it immensely, but it was not completely and totally loved by everyone

>>720372528
Sorry I found a superior evil woman.

>>720366979
What marvel quipping? Iron Man in 2008 started the fag MCU. In 2009, marvel quipping still wasn't popularized. You have games that came long after DAO that suffer from this. Most modern one is BG3.

>>720365531 (OP)
>Once considered the apex of fantasy RPGs
Just because you were 16 when it came out and had never played a CRPG before doesn't make it the apex of the genre.

>>720372834
Jack isn't evil though. Her entire story is that she's a softie who hides behind being a touch bitch

>>720372883
Brainrotted retards here think that a character doing witty or sarcastic remarks = marvel quipping.
These are the same people that like to scream "bad writing!!11!!" at everything, never really being able to say WHY what they're screeching at is bad writing exactly.

>>720366979
>tryhard edgy
Stopped reading right there.

>>720368153
>an ancient evil has awoken, you are the chosen one and must assemble a team to defeat it
>we have humans, evles and dwarfs running around
Let's not get ahead of yourself there. Some parts of it were well-made, but it was also the most generic setting imaginable. Less creative than going for realism, even.

>>720372894
She's a wanted criminal, broke a hanar moon, etc. she's quite a remorseless killer. She's plenty evil.

>>720365750
I don't consider 2 to be the second game. Awakening was. I have it on a separate disc. It is it's own, separate release.
Origins and Awakening were excellent. Varric aside, all releases after were donkeyballs.

>>720373135
>generic
Generic doesn't automatically equal bad. If you're going for fantasy, you don't need to reinvent the wheel. After all there are only so many basic plots that writing can ever achieve.

>>720372834
Morrigan's not evil she's just pretending

>>720373054
What people mean by "marvel quipping" is the post endgame tendency in Marvel movies that every line needs to be followed by a joke. Something that Marvel has been doing since ... which came first? Black Widow? The Eternals?
And it'd be OK, if all those jokes were bangers, although still annoying, but they're just not funny. Not a one. I think it all stems from, on the one hand, hiring some Rick and Morty c-tier writers, and lower, to write their movies, while trying to emulate Joss Whedon. And Whedon can be good, we got the first Avengers, Buffy, Firefly out of him, but we're getting shit worse than Age of Ultron and the Josstice League. So that's the kind of quipping people mean when they talk about Marvel writing.

>>720365531 (OP)
>Once considered the apex of fantasy RPGs
This says more about how awful rpgs are than anything else.

>>720365531 (OP)
DA was never considered the apex of anything but EA's twattery.

DA:O was a half-finished and semi-successful experiment in a new Baldur's Gate system, DA2 was a pile of rancid shit slapped together in a few months to mine the last vestiges of Bioware's reputation, and everything after that has been generic low-quality wrpg bullshit.

At no point has the series even been more than mediocre.

>>720367864
Unironically kirk yourself

>>720373353
She is very much evil just like Jack. I swear that if a character doesn't walk around eating puppies then retards suddenly think they're not evil

>>720373353
She's plenty evil. She just calmed down.
Getting expensive gifts and putting a baby inside her really changed her priorities.

If you're baiting for (you)s, why put a nigger reaction image so we know you're being ironic?

>>720373394
It "stems from" the basic concepts of tone and tension.
In a work with a light tone you can have serious tense moments but then you need to snap back to the lighter tone when they're done. A joke does that.
In fact that's literally what jokes and laughter do in a social context: break tension.

You retarded kids just have no actual vocabulary so you can't get across what you mean and that causes an inevitable pile up of stupid.

>>720373712
No, that's not what we're talking about.
In the Marvel movies, as a serious thing happens, the characters will interject a joke into them. While it's happening. And Veilguard does the same thing. And as I said, if all the jokes were hits, that'd be one thing, but they're not. None of them are, not a single one of them is funny.

>>720373945
I don't think anyone knows what you're getting at.

>>720373564
>>720373565
name ONE evil thing that she did that wasn't "she isn't very friendly and doesn't like risking her life for others"

>>720374084
Getting you to kill her mother.

>>720374084
>she did
That's the thing, she doesn't do anything "evil" because she's not batshit insane and doesn't feel the need to walk around murdering people just to show how evil she really is. But she still constantly advocates for doing evil shit, like selling the elves to the Tevinter slaves, or worse, sacrificing them all for a power boost

>>720374041
Maybe if you have autism

At any rate that's not a thing, you're whining about your own misunderstanding of the basics of writing and willful misrepresentation.
You're the same as every dipshit whining about "calarts."

Please not this does not mean Veilguard doesn't suck.

>>720374282
>>At any rate that's not a thing
Interjecting serious moments with an unfunny joke, something popularized in modern movies by Marvel, isn't a thing?
Why are people complaining about it, if it isn't a thing?

>>720373712
>>720374282
It's ironic that you whine about inability to articulate a point, because you wrote all that bullshit and actually said fuck all of relevance to the point.
A fucking bot would grasp the complaint better than you, and the bot wouldn't be coming across as a smug cunt playing dumb to appear smart.

>>720374084
Running away with your baby

>>720365750
3 > 2

>>720374146
but her mother is objectively evil

>>720374084
seducing me with her swamp milkers
>>720374507
but that more than anything else

>>720365531 (OP)
Always was mediocre but it also the only thing we had in 2006

>>720374490
Lmao imagine writing two paragraphs of smug posturing just to say "You're wrong because I feel like it." You're not refuting anything, you're throwing a tantrum because you can't process the idea that someone can explain tone and pacing without screaming "MARVEL BAD!" on repeat. Cope harder, troon.

>>720365531 (OP)
It was great when it was new, it has been discussed back then.
But that was ages ago, only the first game was good and the rest made the IP literal poison.

Tomb Raider was the biggest shit ever, as big as an IP will ever be, and after a dozen of years of dogshit people barely remmeber what even was a Lara Croft.

it happens.

I'd just like that when this happens new valid things replaced them, instead of seeing those IP becoming undead skinsuits

>>720374407
Because people complain about trends, not individual execution. “Marvel quip syndrome” wouldn't be a term if it wasn’t a recognizable thing. It’s the tonal whiplash that happens when you shove a joke into every emotional beat-whether or not the joke lands isn’t even always the problem. It breaks immersion, ruins stakes, and makes the writing feel like it’s constantly afraid of sincerity. Veilguard just has the misfortune of carrying that stink, whether it copied it on purpose or not.

>>720374594
So is she.
If Sauron killed Morgoth, it wouldn't make Sauron good.

This game is on sale for $2 on Xbox One like every week I swear.

>>720367864
DA2 had a great idea, but execution was dogshit

>>720367884
It's still the peak of the genre. (Mostly because newer RPGs are dogshit and woke)

>>720374829
>>Because people complain about trends, not individual execution
If you get 15 products full of these individual executions, is that not considered a trend? How is not something a trend, if it isn't comprised of individual executions? Each attempt is an individual execution. You cram 100 of them, per product, in 15 products, you get a trend, do you not?

>>720369564
>Name 1 game where they directly and significantly interfere with the main plot a la Anders in DA2
I'm picking up that you think this is good but this actually leads to some big gameplay/story dissonance - given Anders is needed for the climax nothing can happen to him until then but the game gives you the option to turn him over to the templars. You know - the guys who lobotomize people for the smallest offenses? You hand Anders over and they just go "Oh that rogue mage killing our men and sneaking out circle mages that we've been hunting for years? Nah we'll deal with him later he can go". Hell you can tell Anders to leave in Act 2 if you choose the right option in his side quest and he'll still blow up the Chantry and people will still associate him with Hawke despite not seeing the bastard for years. It's so stupid.

>>720369996
>they would be where Larian is today.
They ARE where Larian is today. That's why they games are dogshit now.
Miss me with that gay ugly ethnic salad in fantasy

>>720370219
D&D, especially FR, is a stupid salad of every single fantasy and nonfantasy trope mixed together withous a second thought
A coherent ne setting easily mogs it. A piti the series went to shit

>>720374750
Imagine browsing on your phone to play a childish nou when you get called out.
At least I hope being on a phone is why you think that post was long enough to comment on, because holy fuck you're a retard if not.

>>720373394
>post endgame
marvel quipshit was insufferable since Iron Man 3. I rememeber in winter soldier (?) when SLJ spent 10 minutes inside his car under fire, quipping with the car computer, and the only "what will they do now?" moment i nthe movie being solved by a gag.
And that shit movie is the one everyone fellated

>>720374829
>>720374750
levity done wrong is a thing. And yes, Marvel BAD.

>>720375586
I guess it wasn't considered insufferable back then. Maybe people did find it funny. Why people didn't hate it earlier, isn't exactly what we're discussing right now.

>>720366351
I've been on /v/ long enough to see it go from hamburger helper to people unironically defending DA2 now

>>720374490
>Wahhhhhh stop being mean to me!
No.
Read a book, retard.
>>720374407
It's not a thing any more than calarts style is, you just have no idea how scripts function and no way to properly articulate the problem of bad jokes or failures in tonal shift so you just go HURRR QUIPS

>>720374829
>“Marvel quip syndrome” wouldn't be a term if it wasn’t a recognizable thing.
What a stupid thing to say

>>720375003
Basic script functions are not trends.
Using a joke to relieve tension is no more a "trend" than the concept of the hero's journey. It a fundamental tool.

>>720375906
>you just have no idea how scripts function and no way to properly articulate the problem of bad jokes or failures in tonal shift so you just go HURRR QUIPS
So what's the issue with me going HURRR QUIPS?
Do you have a name for it? Should I give a shit about script functions about something that fails to connect with the audience in a massive scale? Do I even care, the moment something that was culturally popularized, and is common knowledge at this point, so that EVERYONE knows what is being talked about, except you being too high on your own farts, because HURF DURF SCRIPT FUNCTIONS, nobody gives a shit bitch. Go give your script to Harvey Weinstein, you culturally enlightened individual, compared to me, the plebeian.

>>720376042
>>Using a joke to relieve tension is no more a "trend" than the concept of the hero's journey. It a fundamental tool.
We are referring to a "script function" known as "needlessly interjecting a joke in a moment that should otherwise not be played for laughs, due to severity and tension, while also being incredibly unfunny, as popularized in marvel movies, henceforth referred to as Marvel Quips". Is that a good enough script function, you pedantic piece of shit?

>>720375775
Just ignore the Biodrones, they're trying to hype their shitty games as part of yet another shill campaign, new game soon.

>>720376042
Using a lame joke to undermine a moment, leaving you with no payoff is dogshit millennial writing marvel quipshit tho
that's not how the tool is supposed to be used

it's like the difference between TWIST (useful tool, good if used well) and SUBVERSION OF EXPECTATIONS (dogshit writing)

>>720376405
>new game soon.
The next ME will not be out before the TV show, in hopes to drum up interest for the next installment. The show is expected to release in ~'28, with the game expected in '29, realistically. I can see them rushing it to late '28 but we're talking 3 years from now. No new game soon.

>>720365531 (OP)
Videogames aren't like movies, literature, music or any kind of art. Videogames are only relevant and / or good for a brief moment in time. Once a game with better graphics and gameplay comes along there's no reason to go back and play the older game, unless you're too poor to afford a computer that can run the new game that is.

>>720365531 (OP)
> the apex of fantasy RPGs
uh, nigga?

>>720365531 (OP)
Nobody wants to talk about a decent game thays over a decade old, especially when theres a board for retro games and everyone in this thread would just be reeing out about the bisexual elf team mate

>>720375586
>>720373712
They just gave everyone the humor of Tony Stark but it doesn't work with anyone that isn't him (it kind of worked in GotG 1)
There, it's that simple. Everyone loved RDJ's rendition of the character so they said "ok this will be our thing" and tried to transplant it on everyone else.
Everyone quips like a goofy eccentric billionaire. I mean everyone. You can barely have a single serious character in a marvel film and it was an issue as early as iron man 2 though it definitely got worse and worse as the era went on.
Part of the reason Thanos is such a strong character in the final avenger movies is because he's one of the only characters to move away from those quips and have monologues where he is allowed to be serious. He still jokes sometimes, but it's laced with danger and consequence rather than making light of a situation.

>>720376224
>Is there a term for this term you just defined
Jesus christ I knew your comprehension was low but you're outright illiterate and proud!
Read a book.
>>720376365
Your attempt to be more specific has not aided your point, it has only made more clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>720376872
>What the fuck is tone?
If you had argued that the dialogue itself is bad you'd have a point but you're too dumb for that which is why you used the term "marvel quipping" in the first place

>>720377502
neat
so, I hate Marvel Quips

>>720365750
It’s crazy how every game after the first gains an entirely new problem, compared to Ubislop games, where the same problems just get worse over time.
>2 hyper-casualizes the RPG mechanics
>3 has a pointlessly bloated open world that feels like an abandoned MMO
>4 is obnoxiously woke

>>720369564
>Name 1 game where they directly and significantly interfere with the main plot a la Anders in DA2
What do you mean by that? How is that different from someone like Morrigan or Alistair?

>>720365750
Reminder that EA is to blame for this. It took 5 and a half years to make Origins. It took less than a year to make DA2 which is a glorified action game. Inquisition was shit but by then the Nu Bioware aesthetic and name was already solidified into the brand. Veilguard is just the apotheosis of this grand design.

>>720375906
>>720377502
I've never seen a more pathetically insecure moron trying to peacock.

>>720365531 (OP)
Alistair is best boy

>>720372883
>>720373054
>>720373394
>>720375586
>>720376872
I literally compared Dragon Age 2's writing to Joss Wheadon's the week Dragon Age 2 came out.
This is a canonical opinion you retarded zoomers are fumbling with rn.

>>720365531 (OP)
Da was never good

>>720369034
>BG
lol, lmao even

>>720379889
I'm a retarded millennial, not a zoomer, get it right, nigger.

my wife

>>720380993
She looks like she fucks her son

>>720369982
The content DLC just works.
For the DLC items you need to use a mod to unlock all achievements or use console commands to give yourself the items manually.

>>720365531 (OP)
I love mass effect
can't stand this poor man's lotr faggot rpg

>>720382432
>mass effect
Literally started the dialogue wheel people hated so much in DA2

>>720365531 (OP)
it's literally baldur's gate 2 but worse

>>720382432
I knew Mass Effect would end up being bad when you have a phone call with a Reaper in the first game and you ask,
>This plan to eradicate all live every ten thousand years sounds pretty dumb and contrived, why bother?
and the reaper answers,
>Don't you worry your pretty little head about it.

>>720383227
The conversation with Sovereign is pretty bad, once you realize nothing is gained from having Shepard talk to it, or Sovereign answering back. Shepard can't hope to learn anything, and Sovereign has no motive to engage with an organic, much less divulge information.
People ate it up, though.

>>720381264
you're gross

>>720383707
Mass Effect suffered from the problem that there was never going to be a good answer to why the Reapers do what they do. Then the third game came out and everyone was surprised to find a very unsatisfying answer to why the Reapers do what they do.

>>720383719
Nothing wrong about the purest form of love

>>720384278
I feel heavy in the chest when I look at her

>>720384291
I'm gonna be honest, I never really cared about the Reapers and after Bioware being so adamant that the Reapers can't be dealt with conventionally, I just didn't understand why they'd do the Reaper war in the trilogy. If you recall, at the time EA had rebranded a number of studios into Bioware, and they were even working on a Command and Conquer game. I don't understand why the Reaper War couldn't have been an RTS instead. It would have been much better served that way, than in a TPS. The scale just doesn't match up.

>>720384431
Maybe you should lose some weight.

>>720365531 (OP)
Decent game. Good expansions. Golems of Amgarrak kicked my ass on hard difficulty.
Very loveable and memorable characters. Some very cool locations.
What I disliked is the blatant padding in pointless trash mob fights. Also, the companion AI was shocking so you had to micro manage them a lot. They would stop attacking stunned/knocked down opponents for no reason.
The game was also crashing a lot on PC. Thank god for that 4GB patch that came out later.

>>720365531 (OP)
it was bg3 of its time

>>720384304
it's not, you disgusting faggot

>>720365531 (OP)
This game aged like milk, 2 does it's gameplay better (although the mashing is pointless) and veilguard is more fun. They're all homosex tranny fantasies that I still can't believe you goblins take them seriously.

>>720385575
>2 does it's gameplay better (although the mashing is pointless) and veilguard is more fun
Bait used to be believable

>>720386173
>must conform, must agree with reddit
kys

>>720386583
>everything I disagree with is reddit
reddit argument

>>720379530
Your house lacks mirrors?

>>720384291
Originally it was basically Gurren Lagann. Karpyshyn talked about it.
Originally the Reapers were trying to prevent a universal cataclysm of some kind and had been going through repeated cycles of seeding the development of sapient life and then turning those species into Reapers to build their forces and enlarge their perspective and thinking capacity.

The final choice was going to be along the lines of sacrificing humanity knowing that it will finally end the threat the Reapers have been facing or killing the Reapers and betting that humanity and/or the Council will be able to find a solution.

>>720372528
It's so fucking depressing, the fact that Origins is still in my top five RPGs of all time and I couldn't even bear finishing Cisquisition because of how gay it was at the time and how many MMO fetch quests it had, and DA2 was just a massive disappointment in every sense but at least I could beat it in like 25 hours. But I never thought they could stoop to Veilguard, literally NOTHING is good about that game. There's not a single memorable quest, no companions that could be seen as the designated bro or waifu, it's the purest shit. BioWare has become garbage, someone needs to put them down like a sick dog.

>>720376727
>Once a game with better graphics and gameplay comes along there's no reason to go back
Your hobby isn't gaming, it's consumption. Gaming just happens to be a [current thing] in [current year], do you latch ob to it like the parasocial parasite you are.

>>720389185
i feel her womb with my seeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

>>720372528
When I was in my late teens this was my first and only waifu. I played DA:O over and over again. Love this game.

>>720365531 (OP)
>has a memory leak that forces you to restart the game every hour without fail
It’s utterly shocking that this was never fixed by the community
Also its the only good game in the franchise.
It also never got decent mods. Tombs of the Undead is pretty much the only good dungeon/story mod of the entire dragon age franchise. All of the ones by the vaunted “pints and quarts” guy are terrible and cringey. Quests and Legends, if you can find it is bugged to fuck, has terrible voice acting, and the triggers are set go off each time a party member cross the threshold (so you can hear the same bad indian accent repeating his lines rapidly as each party member walks by him). Dark Times will never get finished because of autistic mod authors and its also buggy. There was also a decent sized mod that got released a couple years back but it’s distractingly ESL.

>>720389185
>yeah they made two awful games in a row but the THIRD AWFUL GAME AFTER THAT (which I bought) WAS TOO FAR
you've enabled them. you've been funding it.

>>720390319
4GB Patch fixes this and it was fixed like 20 years ago, comes pre-patched on newest version on GOG I'm pretty sure. I've played the game on W11 without any mods and never crashed even once through an entire playthrough, usually before every time I got to denerim marketplace it was inevitable the game just ACKS itself

>>720390443
Take your meds schizo, I pirate every single game I play first, then only buy them if I liked them to support the devs so they make more shit I like. But that obviously doesn't work since everyone just makes garbage, methinks we are in for about 20 more years of humiliation rituals of games solely focusing on omnipandering and women, and then once women either refuse to play or become 50% of the playerbase and men hopefully check out of gaming we'll get games focused on male players again.

>>720365750
how can a sequel ruin a finished game released before

>>720378060
2 was obnoxiously woke already

>>720390520
Does not. Frame rate still starts stuttering and the load times get unbearably long after an hour even patched.

>>720391072
Werks fine on my machine, maybe you need to update your PC, on a NVME SSD load times are practically instant, obviously in the very end game they take slightly longer but it's just like 2-3 seconds, I remember playing GTA 5 on HDDs and loading for 60 seconds, so this is fine to me.

>>720365531 (OP)
It's because the worldbuilding and character writing just SCREAM canadian DnD obsessed redditors behind them. It's all utterly SOULLESS.
The exact opposite of Mass Effect, where you can tell it was made by chads

>>720366979
based and correct. Extremely overrated game all around

>>720392086
I hasn’t fixed it on every computer I have ever owned.
770m SLI Laptop back in the day
970GTX 16GB RAM SSD 4790k
2070S 32GB RAM NVME 10700k
Steam Deck (installed on the internal SSD)
Same behavior every time.

>>720365531 (OP)
if veilguard is canon everyone is basically dead anyways.

>>720379298
It's funny because I actually think veilguard is overall a better game than inquisition but the reactions to both show me gamers are pretty retarded. Inquisition got it's dick sucked so hard despite being aggressively mediocre and then veilguard was completely shit on. I do think that if veilguard had come out, like, 4 years ago before everyone played BG3 /v/ would have liked it a lot more.

>>720392497
I looked up the wiki and apparently veilguard systematically goes through and explains every single supernatural thing that ever happened, all gods, the blight, magic, demons, the black city, everything. The explanation “lol elves and bald elf man did everything”
They basically killed all sense of wonder and mystery.

>>720392405
Weird, werks fine on my machine.
>>720392603
You are retarded my negro. People play bioware games for the bioware formula, if the game doesn't have good companions it's just shit. Veilguard beyond just bombing all the mystique and interesting in the entire worldbuilding, also bombs at making a single interesting or fuckable character. All the women look like men, square, boxy, muscular, and have the classic nu-bioware post mass effect massive square headshape because who ever makes them loves fucked anglo heads. BG3 having Astarion and Shadowheart is the only reason it became popular, if it had Veilguard's companions it would've peaked at 100k on steam

>>720392648
Plus they killed me, retconned my son, and identity killed my wife making her worst fear come true.

>>720392648
Yeah its epic. Also Loghain abandoned Cailan because evil shadow men told him too.

>>720393164
BG3 was astroturfed by the chinese who were angling for the DnD license. All chinese backed games have insane steam concurrent users because china has the biggest population on the planet.

>>720393169
I must have missed the part where they have time jannies.

>>720393318
Delusional, it's western social media numbers, fanarts, fanfictions, eceleb videos etc. is bigger than practically every game, and it dominated 4chan for like months when it released. But this thread has nothing to do with BG3 even though objectively it's the only successor to Origins, so I won't derail it further with this talk.

Is it actually good though? The combat looks shit. I never played it back in the day because my xbox kept getting the rrod so I gave up.

>>720393572
You’re a sheep who bought into the hype out of FOMO. BG3, Wukong and every other chinese backed game gets astroturffed like crazy and thats the reason for steam stat threads. Assassins Creed Nipponig was a dogshit game, but it was a target of a chinese campaign to tank ubishit’s stocks so they could buy them up.

>>720392648
ya the stupid ending slide went back and basically said everything that ever happened was because of some ooo spooky illuminati group.
they murdered the characterization of every faction too in veilguard, the crows went from skilled assassins to inapt comedians, the Qunari got their characterization massacred and now has a subsection of overpowered part-dragon non binary perverted freaks

>>720393657
I'm blinded by nostalgia because it's like the second RPG I ever played and absolutely loved it, but I still think objectively it's pretty fucking good despite dragging slightly at some points because it's such a huge game. The dialogue is top notch, the aesthetics are great beyond the brown shitfilter of the time if you can get past the graphics obviously being aged but there are certain mods that make them better. I would also suggest playing it on PC, I think it's gameplay was optimized for mouse and keyboard and not for xbox but I could be wrong and maybe it works fine on console. It's a game that you should go into for classic bioware shit, dialogue, companions, worldbuilding, codexes, choice and consequence, and waifu. If you are a combat fag I think it can be interesting on nightmare since your magic spells damage your teammates and in some specific parts where you have hordes of enemies and have to protect NPCs too it's hilarious how annoying it can get and requires really good positioning and timings if you try to save everyone. It's got decent replayability and it's very much a finished game with all DLCs so you can pretty much treat the shit sequels as if they never happened, one of the devs recently confirmed that they think that way too geg.

>>720393842
Obsessed with tiny yellow peckers award

>>720394075
>liked essentially dragon age veilguard when it was called baldur’s gate 3 because he didn’t want to feel left out and is an easily manipulated npc

>check veilguard reviews
>positive reviews are all long essays going into details only someone who finished the game could know
>negative reviews are all like "hurr durr woke dei gay not dark enough"
What gives?

>>720366351
Maybe, but then I remember all the bangers that came out during the PS1 and PS2 era. For example we got Vice City a year after GTA3, and we got San Andreas 2 years after Vice City; we also got a bunch of spin offs. We also got new Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, and Jak every year plus the spin-offs to those games.

>>720368153
the lore and worldbuilding in da is LITERALLY stolen from first asoif book in its entierty

>>720394010
Fun fact: Xbox version is basically impossible to beat Golems of Amgarak on the hardest difficulty because you cant hit the switch while in combat on console. You have to abuse glitches to buff out your character to brute force it because you cant actually do the mechanics.

>>720394273
Fans vs baiters

>>720394273
survivorship bias

>>720394270
schizo

>finished all dragon age games only recently so he's not blinded by nostalgia
>plays pretty much every crpg and arpg in existence so has good point of reference when it comes to the genre
>calls Origins mediocre and Veilguard his 2nd best goty after Indiana Jones

>>720394518
>no argument

>>720394010
Thanks for sharing anon. I'm sure I will like it. I love Mass Effect and KOTR, it's just whenever I see videos of DAO the combat looks like it's happening in slow motion. I'm sure if I managed with Morrowind I'll be ok. One thing I'm unsure about though is I don't know what the DLC situation is like on Xbox series x. I've never seen it on sale so not sure it's even available.

>>720369372

>Being better than Failguard where you literally cannot disagree with your faggot companions isn't exactly a compliment

It's still a better game as you say not like the retard saying "Inquisition is far worse"

>>720394537
Nobody cares about old people's opinions, their brains are fucked by lead, guy's also a single dad and his wife left him for a black guy lol.

>>720365750
replace veilguard with da2 then you've got a decent image