Thread 720370096

I'm hella autistic and can't decide what to play in these games.

For some reason people recommend a Decker MC in Dragonfall specifically?

>>720370096 (OP)
Isn't there already an optional decker you can hire?

>>720370096 (OP)
Basically the Decker/Rigger follower is kind of a wuss and worse than the other followers
Also the game kinda pushes you to play decker as there are exclusive stuff that only your decker character can interact with

>these humans dont think orcs and trolls are people
>we need to go punch them
Garbage games with shit writing Im not playing anti white propaganda which is 110% what they had in mind when they made that.

>>720370096 (OP)
I played a mage in dragonfall and I don't remember anything egregious that you can miss by not playing decker.

This game gives you a lot of XP, which allows you to make sort of multiclassing.
My favorite is Shaman/Decker. High Charisma, spellcasting, Decking (which have LOTS of checks).
But you do you, anon.

>>720372003
>>these humans dont think orcs and trolls are people
>>we need to go punch them
Kino

>>720372003
Kys retard

>>720370096 (OP)
play better games honestly, unless you like tabletop RNG dictating things instead of your skill

>>720372869
>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND... I'M JUST TOO SKILLED. I NEED A REAL GAME TO MATCH MY INSANE SKILL

>>720372003
I dunno, I would be pretty mad if someone didn't consider me or my waifu people

>>720370096 (OP)
ive played all three and can safely say that they all suck ass

>>720373198
it's not even that, i just hate the inherent disconnect when video games are just digitized tabletop games.
You have cases where you're standing right next to a guy and somehow miss a critical shot that gets you killed and you're forced to reload.
It's not fun, it's not engaging, it's just gambling.

>>720370096 (OP)
how much did I miss by not playing boston lockdown while it was up?

>>720373359
>when video games are just digitized tabletop games.
so you mean what RPGs have been since 1975?

>>720370096 (OP)
i was hyped when this thing was announced. i started imagining all the cool mods and modules users would make with the toolkit. i was hoping for something close to or on the level of NWN's toolkit.

then it released. in the beginning, literally the only assets a user could add were character portraits. that's it. people had to figure out how to inject things like new weapons, cyberware, spells and tilesets. when i saw that, i knew the mod scene was DOA.

wtf were they thinking

>>720373812
Hasn't really been true for decades now.
Anyway, Shadowrun was a TTG first, and the video game adaptions reflect this. Fans of it and TTGs love this aspect, which is fine.
I just think video game adaptions of TTGs are inherently bad, contradictory, and do a disservice to the video game medium.

>>720374095
>Hasn't really been true for decades now.
BG3 released two years ago.

>>720374095
>and the video game adaptions reflect this
you mean half of the game adaptations reflect this. the other half really, really don't.

>I just think video game adaptions of TTGs are inherently bad
this is a strange take. you mean because of the presence of RNG specifically or because you'd rather see new IPs?

>>720373271
And I never will as long as your waifu keeps committing 60% of all metahuman crime.

>>720374027
>i started imagining all the cool mods and modules users would make
Yeah, they clearly ran out of budget for that. The preorder perks also didn't make any sense, considering the final form of the game.

I'm still hoping that they make another one, with a 3D engine this time, and proper mod tools. Maybe even (co-op) multiplayer.

>>720372003
>anti white propaganda
I you squint REALLY HARD, I bet everything looks like "anti white propaganda" to you people.

Racism is obviously a major theme of the games, but it's about the fantasy races, not different shades of humans.

>>720374652
>I'm still hoping that they make another one
haven't they made 3 so far? if they haven't figured out
>hey, why are all these oldass games still getting so much attention? is it because moddability directly correlates to the interest and longevity of a game? nah.
i'm not sure they ever will.

>>720374209
Larian love classical RPGs, that's why. There's plenty of RPGs that don't do dice role checks or have hard-dependencies on RNG.
>>720374349
>you mean because of the presence of RNG
heavy dependence on RNG / dice is a big factor, yes.
At a higher level, it's just a myopic type of video game that's arbitrarily limiting itself to the aspects of another medium, when it doesn't have to. While ignoring all the possibilities of being a more advanced medium.

>>720370096 (OP)
just play rifle elf if you have no clue about mechanics

>>720370096 (OP)
These games suck so much ass compared to the SNES and Sega games, even if they had that old jank to them. Hate how its now a mission based xcom clone.

>>720370096 (OP)
I wish they'd have made a sequel to the SNES Shadowrun
That's the only one I truly enjoyed, it nailed everything perfectly

>>720374765
>if they haven't figured out
Like I said, it was probably a matter of budget (and engine). They could make the next game properly from the ground up.

>>720374781
>There's plenty of RPGs that don't do dice role checks or have hard-dependencies on RNG.
there's plenty of non-RPGs that have hard-dependencies on RNG. random numbers have been what games are based around since at least 3000 BC.
>a myopic type of video game that's arbitrarily limiting itself to the aspects of another medium
i'm not sure you're saying much here. can you give an example of a game that has ascended beyond any previous form of prior media?

>>720370096 (OP)
would love to replay these but the code was written by jeets so saving and loading takes the insane amount of time the more you progress throught the game

>>720374993
>probably a matter of budget

>hey, we don't really have the money to concentrate on a fully fleshed out campaign. should we just squeeze something out or concentrate on allowing users to create their own campaigns?
like i said, if they haven't figured it out by now...

there's a reason people are still playing NWN even though the main campaign is not great.

>>720375081
>can you give an example of a game that has ascended beyond any previous form of prior media?
classical table top strategy -> RTS
In the realm of tabletop video games though, i just think some could do with realizing they're a video game and can do so much more.
Redefine what dice or checks are, mutate the checks as a mechanic, anything new

>>720370096 (OP)
Yo I heard this franchise crashed and burned with 5E that's a shame cuz I thought the setting was cool

Very linear, very flawed, shit writing.

>>720374095
VtMB is pretty universally well regarded.

dragonfall is the only game that made me feel really depressed after finishing it, I did a lot of bad stuff without realising it (not killing the dragon in the end, but small things like releasing deadly fumes on the city to clear a path or leaking dangerous files or making your companioin posessed by literal satan or setting a rogue ai free which then sent me gore of my friend). I felt like a fuck up despite beating the game. also berlin felt much more depressing than kowloon in hong kong which is hyped up as the worst place on earth in game but turns out to be a nothingburger

Still cannot be topped
literally

>>720372003
Imagine being such a fucking homosexual you don't like women like Eiger.

>>720370096 (OP)
You want to be the Face of the group. So charisma and intellect for more languages. Rigger and decker work well with int.

Threeway sex with Eiger and Glory.

>>720375521
>classical table top strategy -> RTS
uh, how are those not arbitrarily limiting themselves to the aspects of another medium, tabletop wargaming? do yourself a favor, never look up what games Dungeons and Dragons were based on.

>it could be BETTER! it could be NEW! it could be DIFFERENT!
you realize you're just saying things with no idea of what they would actually look like or how it would function, right?
>mutate the checks
you mean what situational modifiers already do?

>>720375462
Of course they needed to finish the campaign first and foremost. Everything after that is extra.

Moddability just wasn't in the cards this time. And I don't understand why you are being such a sceptic here.

>>720374209
BG3 is gay porn and not a game

Still can't believe HBS dropped this series only to make a shitty Battletech game.

>>720375896
did you mean skeptic?
it's because i was burned by it in 2013, their next two attempts also failed to impress and they haven't made another one in the past decade.

>>720375889
> tabletop wargaming
The gameplay itself is fundamentally different because you have autonomous units that create dynamics you don't directly spawn?
>situational modifiers
do not mutate the checks themselves, they mutate your variables.
I don't think you have the capacity for this conversation.

Whatever happened to /srg/?

>>720376305
>The gameplay itself is fundamentally different because you have autonomous units that create dynamics you don't directly spawn?
tabletop RPG vidya itself is fundamentally different because you have autonomous characters that create dynamics based on varying factors such as your position in the story, your playtime, your choices and their own programmed personalities that create dynamics you don't directly control?
>they mutate your variables.
so having your stats randomly change, at random times? there's been a ton of that too.

i don't think you have a brain.

>>720376402
Consumed by the crpg general

>>720375321
Kingmaker does the same thing.
Why are CRPGs so badly coded?

>>720374652
HBS is three minutes from bankruptcy. All of their latest games have been horrible flops. Only hope for a new Shadowrun is someone buying the rights to it.

>>720378331
let's not pretend like JRPGs aren't.

>>720378331
They both are made with unity. The Battletech game from Harebrained also runs like dogshit due to it.

>>720378758
>Only hope for a new Shadowrun is someone buying the rights to it.
I agree, but it's Microsoft who actually owns the license, IIRC. So all they would need to do is to commission a new game, from some (other) studio.

But who knows that MS is even doing nowadays...

>>720370096 (OP)
I never liked any of the deckers the games bestowed on you so I usually ran it myself. A decker with a shotgun. It worked out for all three games. But I had the most fun doing a straight mage in later playthroughs.

Also Returns is the hardest one in my opinion because it rarely gives you free party members. Instead expecting you to take the small amount of money you have and split that up between hiring other shadowrunners or upgrades. I kind of missed that tension with spending my nyuen or whatever it's called in the later games cause they just give you a full team the whole time.

>>720378794
Anon i could make me a sandwich, shit it out and make another one in the time it takes Kingmaker to save your game.

is the tabletop any good? i hear it's overly detailed like pathfinder and 3.5e.

>>720379598
hope u got 120d6

>>720379729
that's fucking stupid. just use d100 like CoC. why use hundreds of dice when you can just roll one and be done with it.

>>720379598
Do you like keeping track of world layer, spirit layer and hacking layer?

>>720374652
>it's about the fantasy races, not different shades of humans.
It's allegorical you autistic retard.

>>720379851
Because it changes the probability and possible values.
>roll 16d6
>possible value range 16-96
>roll 1d100
>possible value range 1-100

>>720379928
>allegorical
Nah, fuck you, it's clear as day "anti white propaganda", just straight up.

Captcha: GAY N 4

>>720380163
Your existence is anti white mate

>>720380023
stupid reason. the lowest score on one sucks just as much as the lowest score on other. imagine throwing a fireball in d&d and getting 6 1s. might as well get 1 out of 100.

>>720379851
anon you're replying to, here.
it's not a percentile system like CoC. i'm exaggerating, but the die pools for Shadowrun can get big.

>>720375704
>that one guy who doesn't believe in secret knowledge or that any magic is inherently evil
>thinks all information should be freely available
>show him the blood magic
>"Yeah man, this is horrible shit, you need to destroy this asap."
The game had a lot of fun little moments.

>>720370096 (OP)
When in doubt, MAGE. There are no canonical mage companions in the entire trilogy.

>>720375748
Every man should aspire to climb mountains.

Decking wasn't even available in Shadowrun Returns, outside of "you hacked open this door". Shadowrun Returns was extremely underbaked, honestly, made for Street Samurai because the other classes were missing stuff.
Deckers, Riggers, Shamen got way more stuff in Dragonfall and Hong Kong.

>>720374095
the shadowrun video games don't use the shadowrun RPG rules (thank god)

>>720372003
Shadowrun is older than you and your identity politics, you mental toddler.

>>720383569
>Decking wasn't even available in Shadowrun Returns
That sounds like a lie

>>720384259
Cute orks

>mfw it took devs until Hong Kong to remember that Shamans should be able to conjure spirits
It's such a crapshoot whether levels will have summon sports until then. Amusingly enough they're also THE face of the party because Charisma gives them etiquettes.

>>720380023
let's not get into dice talk. did you know d20 is used by dungeons and dragons simply because the dice was more available than d10 all the way back?

>>720370096 (OP)
For me the satisfaction comes from going street samurai, so just guns or melee, and eventually getting every part of my body upgraded.

>>720383569
>Shadowrun Returns was extremely underbaked, honestly, made for Street Samurai because the other classes were missing stuff.
basically yeah. it was them delivering a proof of concept.

Were any of the fanmade campaigns good?

>>720376516
That other anon was right. You either like getting asphyxiated on the regular or you need to take your blinders off.

>>720386396
i remember someone was trying to remake the SNES game as a mod but i don't know if they finished or if it was any good.

>>720387013
nah, he's as out of touch as you are. you either love posting poorly articulated points while gesticulating vaguely at some "better way" while having no concept of what that would actually entail or you've put no thought into the points made (which is why you've offered no actual counterargument in your post)

>>720387082
that's a shame because I don't like SNES games

ngl Human's "3 free Karma at at no cost" seems way better than every other race's bonus.

>>720386396
Surprisingly most of them, but they're few. If you don't care for the story and just want mission runs get Shadowrun Unlimited.

>>720374209
BG3 has nothing to do with DND 5e other than the setting.
Its larians own system

>>720370096 (OP)
I'm still shocked Shadowrun was never MORE popular. 6th edition basically killed the tabletop, but there were good few decades it could've before when it could've exploded.

>>720388756
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/405448/what-are-the-major-rules-differences-between-dd-5e-and-baldurs-gate-3

>>720389338
I am not reading all of that.
BG3 has nothing to do with how 5e plays.

>>720370096 (OP)
I always use random builds, that's what makes any rpg fun.

>>720371412
Played the games without decker (whenever possible)

>>720388529
Unless you want to be a specialist other race is better suited for, probably. Or you're just using the bonus to offset their inherent advantage.

>>720375634
this was my experience after beating the first story of the first game out of the trilogy. maybe I chose the wrong character but combat was pretty braindead boring and it was just empty hallways the whole time

>>720372003
Returns is Deviantart cringe indeed
Couldn't stomach it

>>720389170
because it's cyberpunk 2020, but fantasy. fantasy and technology don't mix well.

Which one?

>>720371412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ

>>720390032
Just so you know polish schizo, I have been embedding Eve as my wife and our marriage certificate in webm's, png's and jpegs for about 3 months now. My own kulpa of myself and eves marriage is far stronger and more powerful than yours could ever be. You would need to post a million more images to come close to my and eves own powers of marriage and love creation on this board and elsewhere. You have lost. You are alone. I have beaten you. I have won.

>>720389516
>I will not look at the evidence so I cannot be wrong.

>>720383569
I was customizing a Street Samurai in character creation, but then i noticed the standard model looks like pic related.

I changed to martial adept and went about the streets spreading vigilante justice with my fists. I regret nothing.

>>720384126
It was available, there just wasn't much to use it for after the first few missions

>>720390689
based

>>720370096 (OP)
The games weren't terrible, but the genesis version remains the best.

>>720390021
Shotgun.

>>720379340
>Microsoft
>Next game is set in India which has become the world super-power and all the big corpos moved their headquarters to india and bent the knee.

>>720390434
I will not argue with some retard who has to bring in fucking stackexchange forum posts because he never played a TTRPG in his life

>>720370096 (OP)
are these related at all to the SNES and Genesis games?

>>720392663
the MC of the first one appears as a companion in Returns.

>>720392656
and i won't try to correct some gibbering retard who bleats factually incorrect shit without looking at any of the actualities around him.

Sex with Eiger

Personally I played a Troll Mage with a lot of health and some charisma
I just stood on leylines and wouldn't be moved from them until everyone else died

>>720392663
neat alright

>>720392962
Could you actually sex this orc in game?

>>720393234
She's a Troll, and no, but someone did make a very convincing set of screenshots back in the day

>>720389170
>still shocked Shadowrun was never MORE popular
>>720389980
>fantasy and technology don't mix well.

I think they mix perfectly well, creating something far more interesting than what the bland and boring Cyberpunk game's setting is.

However, I think that is also it's problem: the game is like a niche between the two very popular genres, and most hardcore players gravitate strictly in one direction only.

>>720389170

This setting is amazing.
I wish we had more games.

>>720389170
If it's any comfort there's a metric fuckton of novels and they're generally solid.

>>720393234
Been a while, but I doubt it. She's a professional and for the most part she's all business.

>>720393402
I like Shadowrun as a setting, having orcs and elves with guns and cybertech is cool but the first game was so jank that I never gave chance for the other games. I did hear they were lot better though.

>>720392962
She's like Gianna. You don't have sex with Eiger, Eiger has sex with you.

>>720370096 (OP)
Kill all dragons! Don't do this, everything gets so, so much worse if they are gone.

>>720393643
>Striper Assassin
>Nosferatu
>Lone Wolf
>Changeling
There's a certain Discworld-esque factor to Shadowrun. Just about anything goes.
R.I.P. Pratchett.

>>720372130
Becoming best buddies with Apex for one. Getting Apex to consume deckers besides you is absolutely based.

>>720394683
I don't know, one of the main reasons why she starts liking you is because you put her in her place and tell her to fix her attitude
Not submissive but I bet she puts up a fight hoping you win

>>720382079
If it makes you feel better Apex being released is actually canon. So I wouldn't feel TOO bad about releasing that murderous AI who consumes deckers lol.

>>720375748
>new Eiger pic
neat

>>720384501
>Cute dorks
ftfy

>>720392168
I remember the first time I stumbled upon where Stark was being healed and seeing how he ripped through the game(admittedly the little that was left by that point) made all that running around to heal him worth it.

>>720395574
Damn he could probably crawl into her vagina

>>720372003
Weak b8, kirkcuck

>>720375634
Filtered

>>720393402
yeah but you like edgetrannies so no one cares what you think

>>720389170
Hey nice. I remember this pic being why I got into the series in the first place. First installation had that 80s grindcore feel to it like picrel. The others I haven't finished, but they don't feel like polished games. Fuck I couldn't even get past #2's tutorial and I swear I'm not a retard. The timing of stuff is just weird.

>>720396745
>Is0bel
The worst character in gaming history.

post glory

>>720396972
Here you go

>>720396958
She's underwritten but not as bad as she could have been. The mission where you have to help her not sperg out and blow her cover was kino

>>720397074
I'd rather have been able to feed her to Gaichu or let her become Ku Feng's blood bag.

>>720397186
I killed Gaichu first playthrough

>>720385367
wait, then what the hell do Shamans even do?

>>720370096 (OP)
Unarmed Adept all the way though, that way you can see them improve the class with every release

>>720397276
Why though? Gaichu and Racter are bros.

>>720398181
Buff and Debuff batteries, honestly. Spirits can be devastating in certainly instances too.

>>720372003
I remember playing the tabletop with some of the rl friends and at one point we were out of Seattle and ran into a blizzard and had to take shelter at an old seemingly abandoned home and ran into an old blind guy who said he would let us stay as long as we weren't a certain kind of person. Assuming he was a humanis we were like "shit, here we go" since we had a troll and an elf on the team and when we were ready to give him hell he interrupted us and was like like "one of my best friends is a troll, I just was making sure none you boys were niggers" and it was the most hilarious thing in the world with how the GM presented it since it was so off the wall on the kind of racism that's normally in the system that we actually ended up adding Klanman Chuck to our contact lists. Thanks for reminding me of that story through your retarded shitpost

I recently finished the Sega Genesis Shadowrun game and it was fucking great.
The SNES game isn't quite clicking for me yet, but neither did the Genesis one at first.

>>720398321
>Unarmed Adept all the way though
My brother.

>>720399523
The SNES one's a lot more of a straight path.
The combat is dumb (mouse controls on a gamepad? Ew), but the setting is wonderful and atmospheric.

>>720370096 (OP)
I'm still mad at whoever designed the final level of Return
>Enemies have two phases and can only be hurt on phase 2 with a special gun
>If you dont kill it fast it will go back to 1st phase
>The gun does absolute SHIT damage and can only fire twice before reload
FUCK YOU!

>>720370096 (OP)
All of these games would be better if you only controlled one character.

>>720400508
>mouse controls on a gamepad
how the fuck

>>720399523
Illene Two Fists + Freya + Joshua(Decker) is GOAT. Joshua(Shaman) + Stark + Rianna is also pretty good too.

>>720393643
there are novels?

>>720401419
I said that based off of memory, but if I remember right, you enter combat mode, you take control of a cursor/reticle you have to move over to the enemy, while you're being shot and can't move.
It seemed like something that would be okay on a mouse, but was utterly retarded on a controller.

>>720401486
After trying each class I've settled on Shaman as my go-to. Shaman Josh really only has the Sorcery skill to worry about, so you can use the surplus karma on shit like Reputation and Negotiation to finance your deck upgrades more easily for Rianna. Also the Ork Armband is worth getting as soon as possible.

>>720403797
>tfw your wife will never zero out her essence to "purify" herself.
Feels bad man.

>>720402085
yeah, there's like 40 of them

can't stop playing a decker/rigger every time. don't need to bring blitz or isobel and i can play robot wars from the backlines

wtf is "Ettiquette"?

>>720404783
fancy people manners

>>720404783
Knowing how you're expected to act/speak in certain situations. In-game it gives you dialogue options.

>>720404783
'Etiquette' is a certain way of speaking and acting, depending on who you're interacting with, but usually it's a term for polite or posh society, "the correct etiquette of eating with the correct cutlery"
In the case of Shadowrun it's the ways you speak when you're a Corpo or a Shadowrunner or an Academic, sounding like one of them and knowing what you're talking about makes it easier to fit in
If you're your group's Face or charisma guy, it's important to know a few different ones

>>720373429
You didn't miss anything. It sucked and had no story.

>>720390021
Rifles are effective at all ranges. Shotguns are not. SMGs don't do enough damage to make it thru most armour.

>>720390021
If you're playing just Returns, invest in Shotgun, since the game gives you a shotgun that you need to use to progress because the alternative is pulling your own teeth out

I want to like this game but it's so fundamentally ugly in a way that I can't put my finger on

every single character is ugly. every map feels ugly. the music is drab. I don't know what kind of artstyle this game has but it's one that has consistently put me off from playing the games

>>720370096 (OP)
You can get a decker follower or hire one, Dragonball didn't really utilize Deckers much outside of one major mission though.

Go with a pure mage and you will wreck shit.

>>720404220
Are you me?
>Drop my robot buddies, then hack into the nearest terminal.
>Spend the rest of the fight downloading porn or something while my rock em sock em robots clean things up

>>720399523
>Include a whole bunch of women and niggers in your game
>Manage to make each and every one of them look cool
Old games just did things better. I really need to pay this game sometime.