Thread 720381089

Why every jrpg has mandatory juvenile writing?

The nukes stunted their development both physically and mentally

Because they want to appeal to marvel tier manchildren who hate the idea of any complexity in their writing. E33 is the first mature jrpg we've had in decades, and hopefully now Square and Atlus will step their game up from abysmal dogshit to something serviceable.

>>720381089 (OP)
it's a genre for children

>>720381089 (OP)
Christianity is evil though

>>720381089 (OP)
>Why every
Why is every thread on /v/ written like this now?

>>720381235
/thread
video games are toys

>>720381175
Nah, I recently discovered that Japan was fuck uped before nukes.

>>720381089 (OP)
video games are not for adults

>>720381306
cause any thread that does not show porn or try to ragebait gets 0 (you)s and gets archived within minutes.
If all of faggots on /v/ stopped such massive coomer retards then this would not happen.

>>720381223
If every jrpg turned into E33 that would be disappointing. Not everything needs to be serious and mature, some people just want a break in between life and experience something more juvenile and whimsical, which is what most anime jrpgs are great for

The thing is my ESL friend, if you think JPRG writing is juvenile. You're going to be supremely disappointed by western rpgs or western media in general. Look at the toddler tier shit of the superhero industry.

>>720381223
Do you really want to see modern Square writers attempt to write something "dark" and "mature?"

>>720381223
>dark and mature is indicative of quality
Also most JPRGs handle dark and mature themes on a level that a derivative knock off wasn't capable of doing. Frenchie's made a valiant first effort, but it's not going to be memorable in the long term.

Why are so many adult gamers so selfish and want every games to cater to them? What's wrong with games catering to children or teenagers?

>>720381483
Instead every jrpg is boring power of friendship marvel slop and you're defending it. You can have good writing without it having to be dark. You faggots buying persona 5 for the 5th time and all their remakes are the problem. When bad games sell well they become the industry standard. Why would they apply any effort into their writing when they've proved that low iq specimens will slurp up any diarrhea that leaks out of their asshole.
>>720381703
Yes I'd like to see a return to something anywhere between 1 and 11. Since 10-2 came out it's been very much downhill. There's fantastic storywriters in japanese novel and manga spaces I'm sure they could craft a story worth telling. Square is one of the biggest publishers in Japan and you're telling me they couldn't write something decent if they actually applied the effort. Bullshit.

>>720381089 (OP)
>Kill the demon lord and save the people
What more do you need?

>>720381089 (OP)
The vast majority of JRPGs are written for teens or people who specifically seek out that style of writing. Some JRPGs do step outside of the norm. They don't sell well and are immediately forgotten.
Beyond that, good writers are rare in general, and they usually don't participate in the gaming industry.

>>720381089 (OP)
>Why every jrpg has mandatory juvenile writing?

That's because you don't look hard enough. They also make a shitload of hentai jrpgs....

What exactly is juvenile writing? Does FF4 count as such? Chrono Trigger?

>>720382101
> x thing is bad, it needs to be changed to suit my opinions of how the world should work. If you don’t have a problem with x, you are the problem.
This is literally a tale as old as time from how books are written, to how movies are made, to politics, to education policies to everything. If you can’t accept that it’s simply a matter of interpreting things differently than I’m sorry my brother from another mother you need to open your eyes

can someone make a list of jrpgs with good stories, do breath of fire games have good ones

>>720382480
>stagnant garbage is good actually
No one cares that you love marvel movies. Trying to "moral high road" the idea of games being allowed to have bad writing is retarded, especially when the companies that make them keep losing money due to no one buying them. The only jrpg that's selling to profit is persona.

>>720382216
higher stakes, where the demon lord is cunning and fights back

>>720381089 (OP)
japanese understand that video games are for children

adults go to work

>>720381089 (OP)
Metaphor
you can /thread now

>>720381223
>E33 is mature
lol

>>720382907
No one is taking the moral high ground. The point is that good or bad writing means different things depending on context. Would you consider an episode of courage the cowardly dog worthy of being compared to novels or cinema? Probably not but it’s good for cartoons, and sometimes you just want to watch cartoons. Same with Persona or Chrono trigger, they aren’t winning any Nobel prizes in literature but they are “good” for their genres. Just understand that what you hate and consider inferior is exactly what someone else is looking for. I understand you want to “help” jrpgs by introducing the novel concept of “good writing” that E33 so generously provided that’s never been seen before, but nobody wants that to happen. They are ok with what you consider “bad writing”. Just think critically about it.

>>720382907
>especially when the companies that make them keep losing money due to no one buying them.
Blatant lie

>>720381089 (OP)
Only kids and manchildren play videogames.

What are JRPGs compared to? BG3? Witcher? Skyrim? CoD?

>>720381223
>E33 is the first mature jrpg we've had in decades
It's still worse than Xenogears.

Japs are a nation of manchildren.

>>720382447
When they say shit like
>I will protect you!
>I believe in my friends
>If you kill him you will be just like him
>Baka hentai!!! <slaps the protagonist due to misunderstanding>
etc.

>>720385685
All of this but the 3rd is sovlfvl tho

>>720383957
All of those franchises are leagues more infantile. Really, with full sincerity.

>>720381089 (OP)
You mean western games? look at Veilguard.

>>720381089 (OP)
because they're literally made for juveniles

>>720385685
>japs invented cliches
the irony of calling anyone juvenile
the west does this shit and more, it doesn't mean all west or all eastern games rely on excessive cliches

>>720386929
Look at origins. It's a step below the average adventure shounen where your warden gathers his friends to fight off the evil.

>>720381089 (OP)
Because American english is a juvenile language

>>720387810
It's the ironic, self-aware irreverence that's the issue.

>>720381223
E33 isn't a JRPG

>>720381089 (OP)
This isn't a Japanese thing. Everyone does it. While your IQ may be 130 or whatever, most people are borderline retarded by comparison and they don't understand big words and complex plots. Most of it goes right over their head. So they have to dumb down EVERYTHING - politics, movies, games, street signs, EVERYTHING - to accommodate the retards.

>>720381089 (OP)
Not to say that JRPGs are high art literature or anything, but they all seem worse than they are due to shitty loocalization.

>>720392112
It's like criticizing Xenogears as a whole for the shitty english localization. Learn Japanese or just speak for the english version, not the game itself.

>>720392112
Would you even know that though?

>>720385685
>If you kill him you will be just like him
This is mostly a western thing though
Most of the time JRPGs have no problem with the hero killing the villain

What juvenile writing?

>>720392112
Not all of them are badly localized thoughbeit. And most of the time a badly localized game isn’t that much better even if you do know Japanese. Metroid Other M and Lightning Returns, for example, lost some meaning in localization, but that doesn’t make the original Japanese versions high art or anything.

>>720381089 (OP)
Some are better, though.

>>720381089 (OP)
Why does every westoid slop games have mandatory leftist propaganda?

>>720393334
>Not all of them are badly localized thoughbeit
Name one.Unironically actually, Across many series I've only found disappointment.

>>720381089 (OP)
Because the Japanese never really get a chance to mature. Most go from highschool to soulless salarymen for shitty abusive companies.

>>720392716
Yes?
I play JRPGs in Japanese.
Of the ones I've played in both languages, the Japanese version always has way more natural and less retarded/juvenile sounding dialogue.

>>720393584
Final Fantasy XII is pretty well-localized. Doesn’t significantly change anything aside from some tutorial text to make it sound less dry and video gamey while adding a lot of spice to the dialogue and making it flow naturally in English.

>>720381089 (OP)
>I HATE ASIANS
>I HATE ASIAN CULTURE
>I HATE BEAUTY
>WHY CANT EVERYTHING BE UGLY LIKE ME?
OP needs to calm down

>>720381089 (OP)
Juvenile writing is sincere and kino

>>720381089 (OP)
most japanese men carry a lifelong dream of becoming a mangaka. they still read manga as adults. imagine if comic con represented the average adult male in your country.

>>720381089 (OP)
hus the target demografik muthafucka?

>>720394156
>Trash romance
Nah
xenoblade 3 and xenosaga 3 were ass

>>720381089 (OP)
why does /v/ pretend jrpgs are the only types of games japan makes?

>>720381089 (OP)
Because they were written by American millennials.

>>720381175
>>720381223
Wrong as usual

>>720383202
>>720383879
>Spreading propaganda to convince NEETS to become your slaves for 40+ years
>Adults go to work
>Infantilizing people on a videogame board.

Just so you know, I can tell you're a glowie. Either that or a paid brown who shills the retarded ideas of corrupt politicians to turn people into a shitty and unforgiving workforce. I know what kind of people you are.

The CIA aren't sending their best are they? Your niggercattle hypnosis protocol sucks ass, try harder next time.

>>720383434
no one remembers your flopshit.

The Japanese just aren't good at writing. They're unironically too autistic to understand "show, don't tell"

>>720382101
Persona is abysmal, specifically. SMT being darker and letting you kill ure friends is an exception, but rpgmaker though some may not like it anyway, I don't think anything gets to the level of Persona. It's a particular kind of writing that only they do and should separated from everything.

>>720393949
translate the games for us anon

>>720396701
No.
The world would be much better if more people actually learned other languages instead of relying on other people (usually badly) translating.

>>720381089 (OP)
Compared to the mature writing of western games like… uh…

>>720397190
Concord

>something happens in a jrpg
>your characters each take turns gasping
I never understood this shitty trope

>>720396253
>They're unironically too autistic to understand "show, don't tell"
the last anime that did SDT absolutely filtered everyone who called it boring for not being overt.
Good jap writing filters people who always expect bad jap writing.

>>720396253
They also suck at show dont tell
Watch Fate Heaven's Feel. That route is like 80% Shirou's inner monologue in the vn and the movies reasonably cut it out.
But they didn't replace it with good enough cinematography to convey things instead and it just ended up a mess.

>>720381089 (OP)
Because most of them are written for children? Like, early FF games were largely just based on fantasy shounen. Dragon Quest was very whimisical, with some serious moments. The only franchise with any degree of maturity was probably SMT and most of the early games were kind of a mess.

>>720396838
im not learning a language to play games that are seemingly written for children buddy

>>720382447
>Does FF4 count as such?
It's pretty shounen.

>Chrono Trigger
Same as above. And no, not just becuase of Toriyama being involved.

>>720396253
Oh, that's why Lain filter so many people?

All JP games regardless of genre have bad writing. Idk if its a cultural thing or what but I just cannot get into the narratives of just about any JP game outside of maybe Resident Evil, which is arguably the most Westernized franchise coming out of Japan. JRPGs just take it to another level with the shitty writing.

>>720398019
american brain moment

>>720381089 (OP)
Never played any jrpg even once, juvenile how exactly?

>>720398019
>All JP games regardless of genre have bad writing.
Compared to what? USA Games?

USA Games with good writing are rare as fuck. There are people genuinly claiming fucking GTA has good writing. It's laughable.

I wonder if any Japanese streamers played Expedition 33 and seethed about how the ending choices were creepy or bittersweet instead of giga happy

>>720398151
only the west is allowed to have cliches

>>720381175
fpbp

>>720398241
I can hate anime gasping scenes AND "he's right behind me, isnt he?"

>>720398328
>europe: neither
i want guns and cunny

>>720385685
>he doesn't protect
>he doesn't believe in his friends

>>720398493
no you can't.

>>720398493
and yet you seethe over japan substantially more for mysterious reasons

>>720398526
>he doesn't believe in his friends
what is EOE?

>>720398328
>go for groceries
>get shot
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE

>>720398595
I meant Anon-kun himself, duh.

>>720398224
Japanese games can have endings where none of them are fully ideal for everyone involved.

>>720398493
Look at this faggot spouting his nuanced opinions and shit.

>>720398224
>I wonder if any Japanese streamers played Expedition 33
nobody relevant played it.

>>720398493
You can, but I do think one of them is way more annoying than the other.

Most japanese cliches I hate are linked to Isekai anyway. So, it's easy to avoid.

>>720381089 (OP)
>Why every WRPG has mandatory tranny writing?

>>720397190
Dragon Age The Veilguard

Because it’s more fun

>>720398214
I didn't say American writing was better, in fact it's probably much worse. I was just responding specifically to the post about JRPG writing

>>720397529
>character says literally anything
>someone repeats their name followed by an ellipse
Anon-kun...

>>720399585
>everything sucks!
cool story bro

>>720395179
TRVTH NVKE

What are you watching or playing? 90% of the tropes you fuckers talk about I've never seen.

>>720399585
Most video game writing is bad, that's nothing new. I think JRPGs are generally better off simply because they have at least some self awareness about what they are. But the difference is pretty mild and ultimatly mostly comes down to matters of taste.

Standards in general are low. Like, I like Metal Gear Solid but I'm not going to pretend it's well written. The story gets so much milleage out of actually being shot and framed with any sense of artistery and actually having real themes that it basically carries it into being a classic by default.

>>720381089 (OP)
Asians cant write

>>720400157
>Like, I like Metal Gear Solid but I'm not going to pretend it's well written
It is.

>>720381089 (OP)
Everything Japanese has juvenile writing. Their shows. Anime. Their games. Their books. Their entire society is juvenile.

>>720400231
From a pure dialogue perspective it's pretty rubbish. There's a reason why metal gearing is still a meme. It's a combination of performances, direction, solid plotting, and actully having ideas that carries it.

>>720400564
stop reading the screenplay

>>720400157
>Most video game writing is bad
Agreed. I've mostly come around to the idea that video game narratives are at their best when utilized to push the gameplay forward into new areas, experiences, abilities, etc instead of getting too caught up in trying to emulate movies and often ending up too verbose

>>720399803
That one, too. Thanks for backing me up.

>>720400662
The issue with emulating movies is mostly that they have almost zero story pacing. Which, isn't that hard to understand, there's a reason why most movies aren't 4-8 hours long.

Maybe the real juvenile ones are the ones who DON’T want to protect their friends.

>>720401176
What are you playing where this is so common?

>>720381089 (OP)
You wouldn't get it.

>>720401370
Funniest shit I've ever seen

>>720400384
>>720398075

>>720381089 (OP)
They're literally aimed at middle school boys.
That's what shounen means.
少年 = shou nen
shou = few/small
nen = years.
As in someone who is only a few years old.

Shounen manga even has the kanji written out phonetically, because the audience hasn't learned how to read kanji yet.

>>720397594
>the last anime that did SDT absolutely filtered everyone who called it boring for not being overt.
Name it

>>720381306
/v/ has been overrun with ESL thirdies for years now.

>>720402078
>audience hasn't learned how to read kanji
They know how to read kanji. A decent chunk. The furigana is an aid. Also a lot of games don't have furigana. Xenoblade doesn't have furgiana. Not 3 or X. Zelda, and Mario does.

>>720402078
Not every JRPG is "shonen"

>>720402951
Name a JRPG with a protagonist over the age of 20

>>720403068
FF4

>>720403068
What does the age of the main character have to do with it being a shonen or not?
Anyway, pic related

>>720403290
Cecil is exactly 20 actually

h-games have an 18+ age rating therefore they are seinen jrpgs

>>720403068
?

>>720381089 (OP)
Games are for children?

>>720403976
Yes

>>720403068
Super Mario RPG

>>720404326
This caused boomers to rage uncontrollably in the 2000's.

>>720381089 (OP)
because they are localized to your amerimutt standards

>>720381089 (OP)
>mandatory juvenile writing?
That's japanese writing you fucking white racist cracker

>>720398328
>leader gets shot
>sits on your arse at home oiling your guns
>meanwhile nepelse beat their government with fucking sticks
kys

>>720381089 (OP)
Games in Japan are made for kids. The adults are all too busy working 60 hours a week.

>>720381089 (OP)
that's who they're for

>>720381223
I'm sorry Anon but FF Tactics isn't really mature. It's pretty basic child-friendly messaging about the dangers of extreme escapism.
E33 is just that exact same message but with adults instead of children which means they can say fuck but that doesn't make a game mature.
Honestly if E33 kept the whole concept to the killing people of age whatever thing it would've been neat and original but throwing that away for a worse re-telling of FF Tactics was disappointing.