Thread 720388912

Sonic Colors is a damn good game

is that a hot take? i thought the general consensus was that it's good.

>>720389120
Not anymore, the entire fanbase turned on Colors because of Lost World and Forces being bad (don't ask me how that logic works)
Now when you mention Colors people rush to argue
>It's mostly 2D so therefore it's bad!!!!

Shuffle was good.

Sega is a dead ass company.

Sega of Japan president bemoans weak Sega IP sales and says his restructure is existential: 'Our winning formula is no longer effective'.

I think I'm too old for Sonic Colors. Trying to play it with the god awful FPS of the Wii and the constant camera movements were disorienting.

>>720389240
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I only ever thought Colors and Generations were okay. The follow-ups being worse doesn't make them any better.

>>720389721
Why are you such a lying sack of shit?
That quote was from Square Enix.

Sonic is a good franchise

>>720388912 (OP)
Chao Garden would revitalise Sonic and make it mainstream again

there hasn't been a single sonic game with good bosses, bosses are either:

1) piss easy enough to blitz through in under 10 seconds
or
2) godfucking awful padded and janky wastes of time

>>720389787
>He doesn't just use dolphin for 4k 60 fps

Sonic still made fun games during the 2000s.
That's why we're seeing a resurgence of characters like Shadow and the Babylon Rogues in the latest media.

I'm kind of shocked that Sonic Frontiers wasn't cancelled.

>>720390498
Iizuka is the only reason it's even in a decent state
Kishimoto made Frontiers V1, it was apparently so fucking bad Sega was just going to ship it out to die but Iizuka begged them to delay it and let them try again
I think the success of the movie is what allowed Sega to say yes, they were more hesitant to shipping out another 06 tier game after they finally saw the potential Sonic had with money

>>720388912 (OP)
This wasn't a hot take when the game first came out DS version is better btw

>>720388912 (OP)
not a hot take at all

>>720390630
It's really fucking infuritating to me that Sega needed an American-made movie to tell them that their biggest IP is still their biggest IP and that maybe they should put some god damn budget and talent into it.

>>720389721
Yeah dood koei tecmo is a top notch developer

>>720388912 (OP)
Yeah, it's a pretty fun DS game.

>Sonic says murder is bad
Furfag bros...

>>720392094

Guess that’s another VA for Sonic xitter to be pissy about

>>720390961
Hopefully Jeff Fowler keeps putting out good movies so Sega doesn't flip a switch and go back to hating Sonic

the best Sonic games are still about barely an 8/10, there has yet to be one that is truly a "masterpiece"

>>720393549
Same but replace Sonic with Mario

>>720389240
I don't like wisps. Colors is ok but the inclusion of Wisps to the franchise only made things easily worse. Sonic already had the power ups from the monitors he broke. He didn't need Mario style power ups and shit.

>>720388912 (OP)
The mech stages in SA2 are fun.

>>720392094
I hate nu-zoomer Sonic fans so fucking much that they need to get mad at a middle aged Japanese guy mourning over a dead man because he voices their “le oppression hating” blue rat.

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic Extreme's cancelation was a bless in disguise because it allowed them to focus on sonic Adventure. Which at the time, was a very vood game.
The same exact thing that happened to Shenmue.

Sadly, not to Panzer Dragoon Saga, which to me remains as a failed experiment of a game that came out on a very limited hardware with no future.

>>720394321
Do you mean the Sega Saturn Sonic X-treme? Sonic Team wasn't doing that, it was some people over at STI in California.
Adventure was gonna happen either way

>>720394098
Only if you want to A rank

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic has had an identity crisis beyond 3.
They should have knuckled down (pun intended) and refined the 2D side scrolling gameplay instead of following the 3D trend
All 3D entries were garbage (outlier being SA2) where they kept trying to adapt the "gotta go fast" meme into a 3D world, leading to magnetic attacks, coin trails, slides and piss poor action.

Sonic as a whole has a design issue with what the world actually is, cities with random rails, loops and boost pads scattered around?
Makes no sense.

Rouge the Bat is unsexy because when I look at her all I can imagine are STDs

>>720388912 (OP)
the 2d shit in sonic generations ruins the game

>>720390961
If SoJ had their way Sonic would be what Bubsy is right now. It's insane.

>>720394435
Uh. I did not know that.
Ok thanks for correcting my mistake.

Truth to be told, X-treme looked like it was going to be bad. Even back then I thought it was just a boring redone of Sonic 3D.

>>720394098
Only Eggman's

>>720388912 (OP)
The ds version is better thougheverbeit

>>720388912 (OP)
That is the coldest take I've seen in a century

>>720395276
>Eggman
his name is dr robotnik you stupid faggot

>>720388912 (OP)
SA1 > SA2

>>720395148
Yeah it looked pretty bad

>>720395452
that looks fucking sick

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic 2 on the SEGA Master System was Sonic's peak.

>>720396047
Absolutely NOT

>>720396189
I'll agree it was poor design... but just tap left fast over and over, it'll keep you level.

>>720388912 (OP)
i enjoyed sonic 4 ep 1 physics

>>720389240
>Entire fanbase
AKA sonicfags on twitter

if you ask other fans in other places, is still pretty liked

>>720396767
We know, Jim Sterling

>>720389240
Its mostly BAD 2d, not just 2d. Theres like 15seconds of 3d gameplay thats not the scripted sidestep sections. Absolutely no reason to play it over a real 2d sonic or full 3d sonic. Colors is trash.

>>720397306
You didn't play Colors

>>720388912 (OP)
Ian Flynn is the best thing to happen to Sonic in years and I'd take his memberberries over the myopic self-deprecating "humor" of the 2010s

>>720388912 (OP)
Metal Sonic's theme in Sonic 4 is a better choice for him than Bad Future Stardust Speedway.

>>720398234
For me he's way worse

>>720388912 (OP)
Frontiers is by far the best narrative in any sonic game. It manages to hit the same emotional highs of SA2 with robotnik and sages' relationship has worldbuilding on par with SA1 and S3&k and has characterisation and development surpassing SA1.

>>720399718
I heavily disagree, Frontiers story was a full nothing burger and Sage and Eggman's relationship doesn't hit the mark for me at all

I'm actually ok with Charmy, him being an a hyperactive gremlin that can get things done if required makes him work out rather well for me

>>720396767
first sonic game, zoomer?

Lost World is ok

>>720388912 (OP)
I'm feel let down on how Sonic Mania plays, especially the "on rails" boss fights like Studiopolis Act 1.

>>720398234
Sonic was never self-deprecating in the 2010’s outside of the Twitter account. If anything he was annoyingly cocky about his abilities downplaying most threats to him. I swear most of the people bitching about the “meta-era” haven’t watched any of the cutscenes.

>>720388912 (OP)
People vastly overestimate how unique or interesting the story and characters in the Sonic framchise are.
Sonic Adventure 2 is basically the only time any of these games had any sort of successful pathos, but even then you need to dig through mistranslated lines and some real dodgy filling in of the gaps to get to it.

>>720388912 (OP)
sonic superstars is great, actually

>>720389240
Only the zoomer fanbase

The writing tone peaked at this moment and they don't know how to get back to it.

3D Blast has one of the best Sonic soundtracks.
The Saturn version sucks though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaKTXVHeizM

>>720389240
I never liked but also havent played it since it came out, so it might be better than I remember. I never bothered playing lostworld and forces

>>720402738
I also thought Sonic Battle's was okay. It's the one Sonic story that's kind of like a battle shonen's, which Adventure 1 and 2 aren't, at all. They have the story of a corny JRPG really (not saying it as a bad thing)

>>720398234
His reboot Archie era stuff was okay, diehard fans have nowadays turned against it cause it's a different take on the character and Sonic fans have grown hostile to the Sonic that isn't the one they deem correct. It was a fun comic with a lot of soul. Now IDW, that shit is as stiff and souless as it gets. I didn't last very long through that, But Scrapnik Island, (the one thing Ian didn't write!!!) was pretty good yeah.

Ken Penders was a mild nuisance at worst. Ian is the bigger problem.

>>720389120
That was the case for a couple years before what people call the "meta era" set in. Now it's hated in hindsight for poor quality of games after Generations despite Colors being seen as the game that finally broke the Sonic Cycle when it was still relevant.

>>720390083
tbf most platformers have this problem

>>720388912 (OP)
P-06 proves that, even if mostly bug-free and with reasonable load times, 06 is still a 7/10 at best.

Frontiers was like a 6/10 game at best. So many ideas are taken from other games and they're still reusing Generations assets. It just feels like they're totally lost and copying other successful series.

>>720398234
They're both bad for the opposite reasons. The ideal writing would be in the middle somewhere.

>>720403681
Kirby bosses are typically pretty decent, but Kirby also just has better ways of interacting with bosses than most platform heroes do.
Most platformer protags have their entire kits built around traversal rather than combat, so "boss fights" end up being pretty limited in what they can be.

>>720388912 (OP)
I'm an unironic Lost World sympathizer, thought it was a legit 7/10, maybe a 7.5.

>>720389120
The fanbases as a whole started to sour on colors when Unleashed started to gain to be universally praised.

>>720403685
Why are you mentioning 7/10 as if it's a bad thing, that's way too high a score kek.

>>720403783
>It just feels like they're totally lost and copying other successful series
Man, the Sonic series has been there since Shadow aped Jak 2 and 3. Every major Sonic release has tried to capitalize on some other thing's success.

>>720394853
Rouge isn't a slut though.
What you described is how I feel about Panty.

>>720403912
I put it at 7 because people who defend 06 think more time in the oven would have made it a masterpiece, when in reality it would just be inoffensively good.
The kind of game few people would have as their favorite because it wouldn't be contrarian enough of a pick and it wouldn't stand out enough for a genuine pick, either.

>>720403783
Despite that frontiers is still the best game with the botw formula

All stars racing transformed is the best kart racer ever made
Heroes is great outside of the true ending being locked behind four playthroughs of the game
Adventure 2 is absolutely awful in almost every regard. Story, gameplay, overall polish, you name it - Adventure 1 is a far better game
The second film > The third
Sonic Rush is worse than Advance 1

>>720403151
Overrated Zoomer moment
THIS is the emotional peak of the series

The movies are pretty sick despite the race mixing propaganda and "colored" humor.

>>720393923
Mario is eating Sonic's lunch and new idea are hard to come by so why not take idea from Mario? What the Sonic team to do get thing back on track?

Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 is objectively the best in the franchsie and the only title to meaningfully evolve and develop on the foundation set by the very first Sonic game.

>>720388912 (OP)
I think the ring/health system in Sonic is much more interesting than people give it credit.

People rag on it for the immortality so long as you keep 1 ring. Which is what makes it interesting to me, because even if you have 99 rings, you're not gonna pick them all back up in time. By the time you have 1 ring left, it turns into this mad scramble to quickly catch it before it disappears whilst dodging damage.

>>720403840
People treat lost world like the second coming of 06 and ill never understand it, its just kind of a short bland platformer, a solid 6/10 experience

>>720404791
For me it's pic related ____;_;_____

>>720405638
Major respect to Sega for never bringing him back to ruin the moment

>>720388912 (OP)
The movies are the most shameless cookie cutter schlock and are only good for printing money.

>>720404791
somehow shit got good again

Shadow is the only good animal character.

BALDY NOSEHAIR?

>>720398234
The writing being serious again with some connectivity is nice but the references can be a bit much.

>>720406661
It was only said like twice but the fanbase lost their shit

>>720406630
Did you forget Cucky?

>>720405972
>the movies
>posts compilation only applicable to the first one
Wow what an arguement you got there

>>720396767
What physics?

>>720406834
>>720406834
Baldy McNosehair was to Uekawafags what Big the Cat was for Classicfags lol

>>720388912 (OP)
I'm sorry nigga it's ass. It's only good thing is music

Sonic Heroes is impossible to beat as a child

>>720388912 (OP)
Unleashed is massively overrated, all of it, even the day stages
CD isn't that great either
SA1>2
Blue spheres is by far the best special stage
Blaze is best girl and the sexiest sonic girl

>>720408118
I wasn't able to finish the chaotix playthrough

>>720408118
Why do you say that?

Seven Deadly Six are a ok addition to the cast and Sonic's much needed rogue gallery, and should be available to play as in spin-off games. They're only hated because they came from bad games, which holds little merit when you take in account that some fan favorite characters, like Silver and Mephiles, debuted from bad games.

>>720394616
>Sonic as a whole has a design issue with what the world actually is, cities with random rails, loops and boost pads scattered around?
>Makes no sense.
How else am I supposed to get to work?

>>720408143
>SA1>2
Now that's a spicy take. Why do you think so? I can see the argument for Sonic, Knux, and Gamma controlling better than their counterparts in SA2, but those Big and Amy stages are rough, man.

>>720408372
Their designs still kinda blow. They're just really bland in a "japanese boardroom meeting" kind of way. I could see them be the bad guys of a toothpaste commercial or something.

>>720408372
i don't really even like silver or mephiles but they work better if nothing else but that their designs are 100x better than the Deadly six.
They just look bad.
>>720408625
Don't get me wrong, I like SA2 a lot and the best sonic/shadow stages of 2 surpass 1's peak, but I find one as a whole package a bit more fun of an experience.
I really like the hubs, and I really like the instant spindash
I think big and amy stages are fine actually, amy particularly if nothing but I like how satisfying her hammer jump is.
I find it funny you didn't mention tails at all since I dislike his gameplay a lot in 1 as it's just sonic stages again but boring and easy.
But yeah, I would say the hubs are the biggest thing that push 1 over 2 for me. Gives the game a whole different cozy vibe. No other sonic game has anything quite like running around the mystic ruins overworld, and the music helps a lot

I am sentencing everyone itt to a full sonic 06 playthrough

>>720408118
I was stuck on Frog Forest and Final Fortress for the longest time as a kid

>>720408943
>I find it funny you didn't mention tails at all since I dislike his gameplay a lot in 1 as it's just sonic stages again but boring and easy.
I didn't because similarly I thought they were just fine, but mostly you can blow through his stages super quickly. It's kinda cool how useful his flight is but also you can really tell the stages weren't designed for it.
It's honestly been a hot minute since I played SA1 completely, I always load an old save to play the stuff I like and jump straight to Super Sonic, so my opinion of Big and Amy's stages is also an older one, when I wasn't willing to put up with their quirks as much. Her hammer bounce move is super fun though, I'll give you that.

>>720408372
The only good thing about the D6 is the chuckle I got out of Zemo being a sadistic degenerate in IDW for some reason. Everything else about them is bad.

>>720408943
The adventure fields were so good in 1 and Amy's playthrough gets too much hate, I agree. If you manage to forget about A Ranks and medals and shit and just commit to her campaing for the hour or so it lasts, she's actually got one of the best stories of the cast. Zero is as relevant to her gameplay as it is to her story. It's just a neat, different part of the game. The mirror room is great.

>>720409261
Right I had the issue with his flight just making things way too easy
And thinking about that leads me into another hot take I should've posted earlier but hadn't thought of:
Tails is generally pretty unfun to play in the main games. He's just sonic with the ability to avoid nearly all obstacles effortlessly with an often slow flight. I found Knuckles and Ray in the 2d games much more fun in comparison since their flying/gliding is a bit more involved and they have some other things going for them.
Tails is the easy mode little sibling character

>>720409474
I personally think that D6's standouts are Zavok, Zazz and Zeena.

>>720409564
oh and tails adventure is really underrated too aside from the overdone napalm bomb meme
in a better world, we'd have more games about the side characters now

>>720409625
I will say, for a much as I dislike their designs and them in general, Zavok does at least offer a decent option for a reoccurring non-eggman Sonic villain, something the series has almost none of. Honestly, sonic really needs a few more villains that don't just disappear forever.
He's different enough personality wise to offer some interesting setups.
Shame he looks so damn ugly

>>720409625
>Zeena
Her moment with Gemerl and Cream was also good, one of the few memorable moments in the IDW snoozefest. That's the last I'll grant them. None of it thanks to their original game.

>>720408143
I will only agree with the last take

>>720388912 (OP)
Chaotix is better than Mania

>>720410173
understandable

>>720410201
Ew

>>720389721
>Sega is a dead ass company.

Dead ass? Are you dead serious anon?

>>720408143
>Unleashed is massively overrated, all of it, even the day stages
You're only saying that because Blaze isn't playable
>CD isn't that great either
Lukewarm
>SA1>2
Cold take, people always talk about whether they prefer SA1 or SA2
Would have been a hot take if you said Heroes or Shad05
>Blue spheres is by far the best special stage
Based taste
>Blaze is best girl and the sexiest sonic girl
I kneel, King.

The only TRUE terrible Sonic games are 2006, Lost World, the stupid story book Wii games and Forces due to criminally short levels.

>>720389909
Sonic is SWAG

Sonic
Was
Always
Good

>>720388912 (OP)
> Sonic Colors is a damn good game
Sonic fanbase is so weird.
Outsiders like >>720389120 don't understand why it's a hot take.
While insiders know exactly why.

Sonic fans are such hipsters.

>>720390961
HARD TRUTH NUKE

>>720398234
Flynn is okay. And genuinely a much better improvement from the irony era. He's vastly overrhated. But it's undeniable his current stuff is kinda mediocre and soulless compared to his Archie stuff. But I attribute that to him being seriously burnt out and the fact that Evan Stanley is a much worse writer than him and a fujoshi, but she's one of the co-writers, but Flynn takes most of the flack for her stuff and decisions.
I will say both are an improvement over both the Meta era, whoever the fuck Prime's writers are and Ken Penders.
I've genuinely been rereading Penders' Archie run. And honestly. It's fucking awful. Even Bollers' worse arcs pale in comparison to how mindnumbling bad Penders' stuff is. He constantly retcons his own shit literally issues later and there's virtually no logical consistency in half the shit he writes, and almost every good idea he introduces (Enerjak, even the Dark Legion itself) is so poorly executed that it took Ian Flynn coming on-board to make them somewhat salvageable. It's actually fucking insane.
Still, either way, the current situation isn't ideal either. I think in an ideal situation, something like Maekawa working together with Flynn and some new blood on stories would actually be the best case scenario. But we're never gonna get that.

>>720399718
Absolutely not. Frontiers was a breath of fresh air compared to everything between Colors and Forces. But it is nowhere near the best. Hell, it's nowhere near as good as half of the 2000s era stuff, even the bad shit (except for 06, which is just generally awful).

>>720390961
I hope they let movie Amy be fun, cute and feminine while also being strong instead of making her a tomboy or an obssesed girlfriend.

I hope Amy gets to have different hair/quill styles like Sonic in the first movie with his Afro, it would be cute, have Amy go to get her hair done with Maddie and Rachel and have a girl’s night out.

>>720410482
>You're only saying that because Blaze isn't playable
perhaps

>>720403827
Bosses in Kirby have typically been the highlights of the games since they started making "higher budget" titles again from RtDL onwards. Boss Battles is Sonic are largely an afterthought compared to level design, whereas in Kirby it tends to be vice-versa which is especially evident in something like Star Allies.

>>720405396
The ring system makes perfect sense for Sonic.
It allows players to play more sloppily than in other platformers. Which is good, since Sonic is about going fast.
Bubsy is a good example where a game has a harsh health system + fast moving character. It doesn't work.

>>720394853
>when I look at her all I can imagine are STDs

I’m surprised you don’t think of Covid 19 instead, I remember the jokes being associated with Bats since dumbass humans were eating Bat Soup.

>>720410750
https://gamebanana.com/mods/582380

>>720410704
I need to give archie sonic a reread as I never finished it
as fucked as it may seemed, i fell off right when Ian took over; something about his hard pivot to game canon took me right out of it
Maybe i was just more interested in the car crash that was post #50 archie than actual good sonic comics that came after, I don't know
Also appreciate the Enerjak mention
He really is like the one good idea Penders ever shit out, he has a cool aesthetic. Probably the only thing from Archie I thought was really cool

>>720395086
It’s insane how Bubsy and Pac-Man are more alive than Megaman and Crash Bandicoot

>>720410912
nice

>>720410950
The problem I have with Ian is ironically said best by Penders and carries true to this day

First one I ever played, set a pretty good example for the series.

>>720396767
Based Sonic 4 ep1 is better than Superstars, but to properly rank pic related

>Genesis (For starting out the franchise first and foremost, these are the most important games)

>Advance (Smoothly transitioning the Blue Blur to Nintendo systems with amazing sprite work that may as well be iconic for flash animations)

>Rush (Expanding upon the 2D formula giving us the boost power *I love F-Zero* and also giving us Blaze)

>Sonic 4 (It was just a port of a mobile game that had the audacity to have the name of “Sonic the Hedgehog 4”)

>Superstars (Just another Classic Sonic that doesn’t really expand or evolve the formula since it’s traps itself using the damn classic designs since classic has to always be simple multiplayer isn’t that great and Emerald Powers are whatever)

>>720405638
The Gamma story was surprisingly emotional.
Playing as a robot who breaks his programming, very soulful.

Pingas is so gud

>>720389721
I'm surprised Bandai isn't doing better and how well Koei is doing.

>>720410950
>as fucked as it may seemed, i fell off right when Ian took over
I did too during one reread, but that was because of how mentally fucking exhausted I was reading through the Penders shit
Bollers and some of the non-Penders writers felt like the only actual breaks between how fucking heavy and melodramatic his stuff was
> i was just more interested in the car crash that was post #50 archie
I don't think you're entirely wrong, there's a bit of a morbid curiosity to it, it's just feels exhausting at a certain point because of how much shitty melodrama there is and how inconsistent his works can be. There's so many melodramatic twists that it just becomes a soap opera
>Also appreciate the Enerjak mention
The saddest part about Enerjak is that when Penders wrote him, he was pretty much a jobber who either got BTFO'd by Fire Ants or got de-powered by Mammoth Mogul. Credit with Flynn, but he gave Enerjak more of a climactic defeats for both of his appearances.
>He really is like the one good idea Penders ever shit out, he has a cool aesthetic
The thing is, that aesthetic wasn't really designed by him. Almost every actual issue DRAWN by Penders looks insanely ugly aesthetically. Penders' work was saved by the good artists/designers who did stuff for him. IIRC Spaz did a lot of the cool Dark Legion character designs. For Penders himself, he just ripped off Star Wars and Star Trek.
The only thing I can give credit to Penders is some great concepts and some jokes that made me genuinely chuckle. But barring that, he is a genuinely awful writer who can't write a consistent story to save his life

>>720411208
The problem with Penders is that he genuinely argues that writers in comic books shouldn't use the material of preexisting writers period. This wouldn't be too bad, but he took this to an almost insane extreme during his run and that's one of the reasons why his era was such a clusterfuck
Not to mention, it is an insanely hypocritical argument coming from him.

I still can't believe Superstars was such a dud as it was.

>>720398234
>myopic self-deprecating "humor" of the 2010s

Saturday Morning Cartoon Humor you mean

It was kinda fucked up of Sonic to hear a species name (Wisps) and purposely decide to ignore it and refer to them as aliens without even asking them if they like being called that ngl

>>720411363
>also giving us Blaze
based taste

>>720389240
People turned on colors Wii because they realized it's 99% 2D and not even good 2D and also the story was shit. Colors DS however is much better.

>>720403036
Highly disagree but thanks for that pic

>>720398603
Nah
https://youtu.be/9bJ03LvKIYo

>>720403783
>Generations assets

Unleashed and Forces assets

>>720404217
You're acting like it wouldn't have changed significantly. The game is half baked and they only finished what they could and that wasn't much. If it actually got finished it would have been pretty different

>>720411208
>>720411613
Also, I didn't elaborate due to character limit on why it's a hypocritical argument coming from him. It's mainly because the crux of a lot of his work is basically using material of both Sonic itself and SATAM. He notoriously screwed over Ben Hurst for SATAM Season 3, and he also is insistent on the fact he popularized Knuckles' OVA Hat and that SEGA owes him for that.
It's very hypocritical for him to argue for "muh original creator rights" while at the same time shitting on the original creators that a lot of his work is based on. He's very dismissive on the material and interpretation of the original Japanese creators.
And don't get me started on how so much of his work is mainly dependent on him ripping off Star Trek and Star Wars.
Either way, it's still not the best argument because no shit Flynn is going to use preexisting material to write a Sonic comic. It's an already existing IP. And he's writing Archie and whether Penders likes it or not, he and Bollers established 90% of the worldbuilding of Archie Sonic. No shit Flynn is going to use the world-building and concepts established in order to shape his original ideas from there.
Flynn does lack original ideas now, but in his Archie run, he definitely had a flood of good ideas, some iterated on concepts Penders introduced and barely used, and others were just flat-out original or based on the canon of the games.
Why does he lacks originality now? No clue, I guess it could be burnout given he had to deal with three reboots in a row, but it's hard to say really.

>>720404791
>>720405638
>>720406196
The Adventure games could literally make me cry due to how emotional they can get

>>720410997
Mega Man has had so many fucking games he doesn't need more.
Unless you've played all main Mega Man games you have no right to complain.
There's 12 classic games, 5 X games (pretending X6-X8 and Command Mission don't exist), four Zero games, 2 ZX games. Then you have 5 classic Mega Man games for Game Boy, Xtreme 1 and 2 for GBC. And 2 Legends games.
If you want a different genre and continuity there are 7 Battle Networks and 3 Star Force games.
That's 40 games worth playing and there are probably more I forgot about. The only Mega Man games I'd want are ZX3 to bridge the timeline with Legends and Legends 3 for closure but otherwise I think Mega Man has earned his rest. Also his games never sold that well per game, he just had a lot of them.

>>720408143
A beautiful cat she is meow~

>>720411363
>4 better than Superstars
You're right but the world is still in their "Superstars was actually pretty good!" Phase so give em a few years

>>720403151
>>720404791
>>720405638
>>720412026
Not Sonic vidya. But I think this deserves an honorable mention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTUdeitl54w

>>720408372
They are just Temu Koopalings

>>720412013
Yeah I'm no fan of using Flynn's current shortcomings as s way to try and vindicate fucking Penders.
>Why does he lacks originality now? No clue, I guess it could be burnout given he had to deal with three reboots in a row, but it's hard to say really.
Personally, I think his well has run dry, or perhaps it's just him becoming so set in his ways that he's become very rote. His stories are all similar, and a good bit of the readers are tired of it.
I think were long since due for new blood to really take the reins. I just want IDW to have a real sense of adventure that's sorely missing.

Wave The Swallow is the best Sonic girl.

Evan Stanley is a better writer than Ian

>>720412131
You could very much say the same about Sonic, and I guess I have a right to "complain" since I beat every mainline game except X7. If Capcom really wants to do nothing with the franchise they really should stop cashing in on so much fucking merchandise. And if they don't know how to make games that aren't photorealistic woke diarrhea, they could hire Tengo Project or Game Kitchen to make a pixelart reimagining/sequel/crossover or something. Invest a single of your Street Fighter and Monster Hunter Uggo edition millions to throw the fans a bone.

>>720412206
Blaze is #1

>>720403036
if nothing else it brought back Fang into the spotlight for a brief time so now he isn't as obscure of a character as he was before.

Silverfags are pathetic that's my take

>>720412753
that's a sub zero take

>>720412312
>Yeah I'm no fan of using Flynn's current shortcomings as s way to try and vindicate fucking Penders.
Definitely.
The funny thing is, I don't think Penders agrees with most of the criticism about Flynn. His beef with Flynn is purely on the "he used my storylines and characters" and that's basically it. He has zero issues with Flynn as a writer and has admitted to not reading the works of other Archie writers including his peers like Bollers (to the point he ignored a huge chunk of plans Bollers had)
I don't think people understand that you can shit on Penders and at the same time not be too fond of Flynn either
>Personally, I think his well has run dry, or perhaps it's just him becoming so set in his ways
Definitely.
A lot of the interesting ideas he wanted to elaborate on years ago, he can't elaborate on since he had to trash a lot of concepts due to reboots (i.e. Egg Bosses/Grandmaster, nanites, etc). So the passion probably isn't there either.
Hell, the Metal Virus arc was originally going to be dependent on the whole nanites thing that NICOLE had in Archie, the fact he had to scrap that due to the reboot is a big reason why I think the IDW version feels so shit
I also genuinely believe him regarding the mandates. One thing I saw one anon say a few threads ago is that he's definitely a doormat who asks for permission for SEGA for everything, so he gets all the info about the mandates and can't really do shit. Meanwhile other writers like the Scrapnik and Prime writers just give zero fucks and write as they please with SEGA only blocking stuff they have serious problems with
Flynn should really take the approach other writers do, but the issue is, he refuses to take risks in that department and basically gimps his own potential. That's one theory I heard and I genuinely believe that. I think he should take the approach of haggling with the mandates to get what he wants. Like what Kirkbride did to Todd Howard during Morrowind's development

https://youtu.be/Ssltypuap5g
https://youtu.be/AuJSvPyRMUg
Ian Flynn never escaped the allegations

>>720412753
>spawns a ton of dbz fanfic fanart off of a interaction with Sage in a racing game
People really want Silver to be edgy Trunks so bad, huh?

>>720403036
man I hate how this meme got ruined
the original images are still the best ones, still makes me laugh

>>720412753
This charisma vacuum faggot is such a joke, wish he didn't exist and we got a Blaze battle in Generations instead.

We are in the worst sonic era by a landslide, no innovation, just iteration

>>720403036
Too bad it has a chorefest of bosses, all of them being Hot Shot/Bigfoot levels of waiting.

>>720395427
After playing both semi-recently, I agree
People put SA2 on way too high of a nostalgia level when some of the levels are just flat out bad

>Sonic "How did this happen?"
>Ian Flynn Sonic "WITHOUT THE TIME STONES? AND NYUH, LAST TIME I CHECKED WE'RE NOT ON LITTLE PLANET NYAHAHA. MAKES YOU WONDER IF EGGHEAD PUT US IN SOME KINDA MEAN BEAN MACHINE OR SOMETHIN!"

>>720412907
>https://youtu.be/Ssltypuap5g
This vid still kills me, it's so on point kek
Love that it still holds up after Shadow Gens release

I don't like sonic whoring himself out with collabs, makes him feel less of a character and more as a mascot, the current collab with miku, joker, songebob, yakuza and avatar is downright embarrassing

>>720412131
>Mega Man has had so many fucking games he doesn't need more.

Are you living in the 2000s anon? Can you please me back in time, to another world?

>>720412984
I can't stand this cutscene. The first half of it is 'I MEMBER WHEN THEY SAID THAT, I CLAPPED!!!" and the second half is the most stiff animation of a "fight" between Sonic and Shadow
Just hire the people who make Sonic Dream Team to do your animations Sonic Team, that game was on fucking mobile and the animations outshined anything they've ever done with an actual budget

I am so sick of people calling Mania bad or disappointing because of its reused zones. Yes, I would have preferred all original zones too, but the game tries to mix the old zones map with new gimmicks, and all the remixes from Tee Lopes are amazing.

>>720412853
I'm very split on the mandate thing, and it's why I don't get too much into IDW arguing since it's just a huge wall that really prevents discussion
It reminds me of the publisher/developer dynamic we see when discussing video games
>[game/comic] did well or was received well? Thanks to the Devs/Flynn, they are so good!
>[game/comic] did bad or was received poorly? Damn, I can't believe the publishers/the mandates would do this...
Now I won't say there aren't mandates cause of course they are, but since we will never really know how far they go one way or the other it makes pretty much all discussion of the comic's quality like fighting in the dark. It's exhausting, and it makes all the threads about it go in the same fucking circles again and again.
Regardless if they exist or not, IDW has some real problems. Like I don't think any mandates would ever force the comic to be as insanely decompressed as it is.

>>720411671
Classic Sonic game in 2020s? Who would’ve thought it would be a big buzzkill and anti hype?

Shadow 05 is a pretty fun game. Having multiple routes for missions and it affecting the next level you go into and the ending cutscene was genuinely a cool concept and its a shame not a lot of games do this type of morality system. The reloaded mod really showed that the game's physics needed to be tweaked just a little bit and the level design needed a few tweaks (such as the bars on digital circuit not taking 2 business days to go upward) to be enjoyable. Its definitely still not great, but its in good territory

>>720413172
the battle cats collab was cool
now i can play with my sonic characters in my cat army!
hopefully they collab again sometime, no eggman is criminal

>>720413179
>You will never be a kid playing Sonic R, CD, and Fighters all summer long on the Gems Collection again

>>720411671
>>720413298
I just don't care about classic Sonic. I'm much more excited for a 3D Sonic game.

>>720413239
I have never seen anyone say anything bad about Mania. I fucking wish they made another game that was true to its level design and classic artstyle though

>>720413389
totk just came out though, I thought that's the type of shit you like

>>720412753
>>720412953
True!
Insane that they introduce a really cool character that can keep up with Sonic, then immediately take her spotlight away in favor of a shitty Trunks clone and do nothing with him, yet keep around and favor him for no reason while downgrading Blaze into a Tails tier character despite fighting with Sonic for 2 games.
>>720412926
I'm baffled that he has such a big fan base despite doing nothing in his entire existence and spawning from the game that almost killed the franchise. They gaslit themselves into thinking hes a good character or something

the blazefags are getting uppity again

>>720413472
they want sonic to be dbz because they say amvs and animations when they were 10, that's why they call the 2000s "shonen" and clap at sonadow gens

Not really a hot take but I just wanted to say amy is cute and sexy

>>720412753
I wonder what’s the Potential Man of Megaman, hey wait a minute!

>>720413541
Whatever helps you sleep at night, slivernigger

>>720413250
The thing is, I don't think the Mandates affect the comic's quality that much. I think they are part of the problem, however.
I believe that Penders ironically had one good thing that he did. Which was basically barely ask SEGA about what was permissible.
The problem is, Flynn keeps going up to SEGA and wanting to insist on asking about every single story element and checking with them about what's okay and what's not okay.
And the issue with that line of thinking is that SEGA internally is barely consistent about this shit. Iizuka for the longest time claimed that Sonic X's idea of two worlds was canon, and every other SEGA staff member said they had no idea what the fuck he's talking about. Flynn is pretty much asking SEGA about every possible storyline and just going ahead with what they tell them which could change in a week or so.
The problem isn't just the mandates, the problem is Flynn's mindset and approach to the mindset. Penders didn't do what Flynn did which is why he got away with so much and SEGA only intervened with some of the most egregious shit. Same with the Scrapnik Island writer and the Prime writers honestly.
Flynn should just not ask and just do completed drafts and just wait approval and then go ahead. Like I said, he should take the Kirkbride approach, going wild with ideas and then dialing it back down when SEGA gives their feedback to do the shit he originally wanted to do.
I definitely believe regardless there are 100% strict mandates. I think Sonic X stuff is probably off limits due to some weird internal legal conundrums. My guess is that it has to do with Decoe and Bocoe since their designs were taken from another anime.
>Regardless if they exist or not, IDW has some real problems. Like I don't think any mandates would ever force the comic to be as insanely decompressed as it is.
Definitely true. But the problem does go hand-in-hand. It's Flynn's mindset and approach to the material he's given. He's way too diplomatic

>>720413778
everything you said about silver is correct and i agree with it, but alright

>>720413239
Only thing I posted that I don't like about Mania is the physics for the Act 1 boss fight in Studiopolis is shit. I fucking hate how the movement and momentum makes no fucking sense.

>>720413638
>Not really a hot take
>Posts the hottest take in the thread

my dislike of silver has nothing to do with my love of blaze
well, a little
and honestly as much as I dislike silver from being attached at her hip, I've come to feel sorry for him and his fans what with the massive mischaracterization that's happened to him over the years
granted his original character wasn't that great or needed, but when you look at it fairly he's had like the most character drift of any mainline character since his debut

>>720409053
You got it
>>720410997
Pac-Man is always alive, also don't hate on the pac, he's based
Crash (and Spyro) is only dead because Activision is retarded and allowed Toys For Bob to make those games
Mega Man is only dead because Capcom is more retarded than Activision
>>720413239
>I am so sick of people calling Mania bad or disappointing because of its reused zones.
The only thing I'm sick of with that is how people always word it like it was intentionally done by the devs when it was IIzuka that wanted the reused zones

Frontiers sandbox gameplay is a great path for Sonic, and reminds me of what 2006 was trying to achieve in the early builds.

>>720413472
>then immediately take her spotlight away in favor of a shitty Trunks clone and do nothing with him, yet keep around and favor him for no reason while downgrading Blaze into a Tails tier character despite fighting with Sonic for 2 games.
Pretty sure that has less to do with Silver and moreso everyone in the late 2000s and early 2010s arguing that "Sonic's friends = bad" which caused SEGA to get spooked and try to take the spotlight away from everyone that wasn't Sonic or Eggman.
Blaze and Silver are only starting to become relevant now because SEGA is starting to get comfortable with actually exploring the supporting characters now. Not sure how long that will last though.

>>720414410
>Blaze and Silver are only starting to become relevant now because SEGA is starting to get comfortable with actually exploring the supporting characters now.
You mean standing on the sides and saying their lines? They've been doing that since generations

>>720413328
You have low standards.

>>720414567
I enjoy things for what they are

>>720412853
>Mandates
I'm so tired of that poor excuse and how Ian just hides behind it as the excuse for any criticism.
Literally every popular IP in the world is going to have mandates in place and those are essential to maintain a consistent image, branding, and (attempted) quality.
Every single time a long running IP has a sudden change in its mandates which causes a radical change, it causes everything to go to shit.

Ian hiding behind that shitty excuse 24/7 just tells me he's not a great writer. I can picture that doormat theory being true because other writers have already written much better work than Ian has.

I don't hate Ian, but I'm not going to act like the writing quality is good when I'm told to start caring or paying more attention to the story from all the media spam

Good post overall though

>>720414662
So you like slop? Couldn't imagine.

>>720414485
I mean that in the sense of Frontiers already showing characters like Tails, Knuckles and Amy get a lot more than they usually have had as far as spotlight compared to the 2010s. It'll hypothetically be a matter of time before the other characters start to get the same treatment, at least if SEGA isn't incompetent and can actually read the room. But I am a pessimist so I doubt that'll happen. But still my initial point stands.

>>720414567
He's not wrong. With Reloaded and the Retranslation mod, Shadow 05 is actually kinda decent.
I can't say the same for Sonic 06. Project 06 doesn't count because it's more of a remake that removes all the bad elements of 06.
Meanwhile I tried playing the Legacy of Solaris mod for Sonic 06 and it's actual fucking dogshit.

>>720414716
>I mean that in the sense of Frontiers already showing characters like Tails, Knuckles and Amy get a lot more than they usually have had as far as spotlight compared to the 2010s.
Yeah that's what I said

>>720413879
The comic is absolute dogshit regardless and for the longest time I thought the mandates were bullshit, but with what you're saying makes a lot of sense with that recent "Shadow pulling a sword" thing. The only actual proof I've seen of a mandate making the comic worse. This particular incident doesn't mean this is a reocurring thing, but it made me realize, starting with Flynn, the artists and writers come across as so spineless ad groveling, like they're walking a tightrope over a shallow kiddie pool. This is the worst about IDW and what I miss the most about Archie's unhinged at times oc, it's such a milquetoast bland product, they have to deviate from the characters in the blandest, dorkiest ways, which pisses off diehard fans regardless. They really should go fucking unhinged and do whatever the fuck they wanted with the characters, for better or worse, let the comic grow its own fanbase and naturally gatekeep the "canon" Sonic ones. Instead you have 80 issues of the most flavorless dreck I've ever laid eyes upon. What a boring, boring comic.

Jet is the best rival for Sonic because it's a rivalry that isn't based on powerscaling but rather sportsmenship. It's all about besting Sonic in speed and beating him in a race. Having a rival for Sonic that is just meant to be another powerful foe to overcome in a fight makes it easy for them to be replaced with the next brand new enemy gets introduced, thats what happened to Knuckles and Metal when Shadow was introduced.

>>720414716
>With mods
So you need to alter the game, disregard the devs' vision to be "good"? Couldn't imagine.

>>720390961
I'm honestly not sure if Sonic is Sega's biggest IP anymore, Yakuza is huge and always gets Sega's best talent while Sonic only gets mediocre devs and has budgets so small that he spends his lunch money on his bus fares.

>>720388912 (OP)
>Sonic should have a cel-shaded art-style that imitates the Uekawa style.
>Human characters shouldn't look neither realistic nor pixar-esque but instead either in the Uekawa human style or in an exaggerated anime art-style
>Tails' mech stages aren't that bad conceptually. They just need to be retooled to be deeper and have on-foot gameplay and the ability to modify the mech Armored Core style.
>The characters should start actually ageing and the story should actually progress and have longer overarching narratives like Dragon Ball.
These are my hot takes.

>>720388912 (OP)
Mania was just an okay-to-good game seen as revolutionary entry due to the dogshit status of the franchise at the time

>>720414716
Ok Todd

>>720388912 (OP)
Even with the decline in it's popularity, it's still the most basic bitch Sonic take there is (and it's still wrong)

>>720414295
no fuck you
the real 06
you people have to remember why we can't have nice things

>>720390630
>Kishimoto made Frontiers V1
That's not true. He joined the project later on. Kinda like Itsuno with DMC2

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic fans are bigger assholes to each other, over people who don't like Sonic at all.

>>720414891
Considering most PC game classics rely on modding and patching to fix the game and make it actually playable (Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, Deus Ex, etc). Then yeah, absolutely.
Not to mention, Shadow 05 is a rushed product. Of course I'd want to mod and patch it to make it actually good. A lot of the changes are not as big as what you're making them out to be, just minor tweaks to make the game actually playable.
Sonic 06 on the other hand is a better example of what you're saying, you basically need to scrap the entire story, rework the hub world and change basically everything about the dev's vision except the basic art direction and the level design.

>>720414776
I'd argue it's still a step forwards. I never said it was great. Note the pessimism of what I said that I don't think it'll go far. SEGA is great at stumbling after taking their first steps.

>>720415116
Huh. Never heard that before
I think Kishimoto is getting a little bit better but I wish he'd chill out with the automated sections

>>720414712
>couldn't imagine
nigger, you are on a forum board with the most slop threads imaginable

>>720388912 (OP)
Lost world has one of the best level designs in all sonic games, i view it as the mario 3d land/galaxy of sonic games.

Evan Stanely shouldn't be hated on by the community for ruining Silver when he only has one big game appearance and incoherent backstory...

>>720412246
>the world is still in their "Superstars was actually pretty good!" Phase
that was before launch date lmao

The comics, cartoons, and movies are all garbage.

>>720414710
I definitely think Flynn uses the mandates too much as a crutch, because at the end of the day, if you look at the Archie reboot, you can see his writing was starting to go downhill even if he had more freedom there. So I don't think the mandates are the reason why his writing has gotten worse, it's just the mandates limit the creativity more, but that's about it. But like I said, it's less the mandates themselves and more his APPROACH towards the mandates. His refusal to man up and instead treat the corporation as a friend who will actively benefit him, rather than trying to actually push for his creative vision and freedom. And instead he just has to ask SEGA for permission for every single thing he does.

>>720414779
Precisely. You hit the nail in the head right there.
At the end of the day, one person I saw put it nice. Flynn is too nice. He assumes SEGA has the best of intentions and doesn't try to stand up for his own creative freedom or vision. He just goes and asks for them for permission for every single tiny thing, even if he could just as easily try to walk around them like the other writers have done.
The problem is, his assumption is that if he plays nicely, SEGA will eventually play ball with him. Problem is, SEGA does not have a good track record of doing so. Look at how they treated Chris Senn. Or even how they fucked over Maekawa when Kishimoto blamed him for Black Knight. SEGA has a track record of being scummy, but Flynn is way too naive for that.
Couple that with his writing just having gotten down the drain due to lack of passion and burnout and you pretty much have a recipe for mediocrity.
Really, you kind of need a writer with a much tougher personality to be able to solve this sort of situation.

>>720415260
Wow that's one hell of a hot take

>>720415414
The funny part is Ian is the one who started the whole uWu stuff
When Evan writes an issue Silver actually acts like himself

>>720415596
I can go hotter, the run button plays into the level design and makes gameplay more smooth. If it had generations physics people would absolutely hate the game. The wisp are fun powerups and i think theyre at their best in this game, colors use of them were fine but not as good as lost worlds use.

>>720414410
>Blaze and Silver are only starting to become relevant now because SEGA is starting to get comfortable with actually exploring the supporting characters now.
But Blaze is still living in Silver's shadow. Don't you get it? Blaze being Silver's sidekick started in 06 and has never left the character since. Sure, the 2010s are bad for the supporting cast that wasn't the core 4 all together. But, Blaze stop being Sonic's rival and equivalent, and started being forcefully tied to Silver as his partner and potential love interest in nearly every media ever since Sonic 06.

>>720389240
Fuck you and go die in a fucking ditch
Sonic Colors was always lackluster as fuck. I remember renting it specifically because you fags wouldn't shut up about how "oooo no gimmicks, no BS, it's JUST more GOOD Sonic," only to play it and find out that it's mediocre as all hell. You people just can't accept that so you try to make every excuse in the book to try to ignore the fact that PEOPLE PLAYED THE GAME AND FOUND IT TO BE BAD

>>720394278
It's off-putting to me how easily people can celebrate random people dying nowadays

Sonic will never be good enough for “fans”

>>720415952
This has more to do with the fact that 06 and Rush were both in development at the same time and the character of Blaze was kind of being bounced around both teams. And the worst part is, both writers in their respective projects had completely different ideas for Blaze. Rush's dev had his own ideas and Maekawa had his own ideas. They barely communicated until the game was about to come out. Blaze even originally wore a cloak in Sonic 06 and had a different character arc before that got scrapped. We don't know exactly what the fuck happened, but the clusterfuck with 06's development is a big reason for that.
It really doesn't help that at the end of the day in hindsight, Blaze was unneeded as a character in 06's narrative. She just kinda is there. She does nothing to the story except seal Iblis, which is ultimately useless as well in the grand scheme of things. Whereas in Rush she actually is crucial to the narrative.
I agree with you that Blaze shouldn't stick to Silver's story, but I blame that less on the existence of Silver's character and moreso Sonic 06's development being a mismanaged fucking clusterfuck.
In an alternative timeline where Sonic 06's writing team was handled better and communicated more and the game had a 4-5 year development time, maybe we could've gotten something amazing out of it instead of the fucking mess we got.

Sonic Team is more interested in making Sonic games look fun than they are in actually making Sonic games good, the two biggest examples of this are Sonic CD and Black Knight, two games that are strictly bad but are fondly remembered just because of how good they look and sound, not how they feel or play.

>>720388912 (OP)
Shadow should have existed in a world without sonic. Either in the past or far future, so that the hero would have to fill the vast shoes of the ultimate life form

>>720416396
That can't be true, because Frontiers is some of the most uninspired shit in the entire series.

>>720388912 (OP)
I don't care for the "Correct way to play SA2" shit, it looks good enough on gamecube onwards.

Now, the mod to "dreamcastify" SA1 is pretty good and that's the best way to play SA1.

>>720416396
Sonic CD is good if you enjoy Sonic's movement physics

>>720408372
there designs are dogshit and mechanically they're only a threat to eggman which is kind of a shit villain for sonic. eggmans badniks are already going to attack him you dont need some red genie to tell them to .

>>720410997
swap mario and sonics and then sonic with DK

>>720416941
How was Sonic "resurrected"? He didn't get a big, high-quality game that revived the series on all fronts.

>>720412131
Okay?
>Sonic has 6 genesis-style momentum games, 5 gamegear momentum games, 5 adventure-ish games, 3 advance games, 4 console boost games, 4 handheld boost games, 2 lost world games, and 2(?) open zone games.
30 major Sonic platforming games.

>12 console classic games, 5 handheld classic games, 5 ""good"" console X games, 2 handheld X games, 4 Zero games, 2 ZX games
30 major Mega Man platforming games.

They are within their right to bitch.

Hot take: Unleashed was always generally liked overall, it's not just a recent thing. It's haters are just really loud about it.

>>720415956
What's so bad about about it?

>>720415154
>Considering most PC game classics rely on modding
They don't. This is only perpetuated by retard autists who follow the same idiotic mindset you and those who prop up P06 as the "true 06" do.
>Shadow is a rushed product
Personal problem. They should've rushed to make it a good game instrad.
>Sonic 06 is a better example of what you're saying
Do you alter the original game with the Shadow mods, yes or no?

>>720417250
>Unleashed was always generally liked overall
So true sister! I also pretend the Werehog sections don't exist!

>>720415192
>Never heard that before
He said that on his twitter account.
>I wish he'd chill out with the automated sections
Have you played The Final Horizon?

>>720415595
>I definitely think Flynn uses the mandates too much as a crutch
Honestly, with reading your reply I think you were right on your last post with how Ian's probably just burnt out and most of his passion's just left him at this point.
But yeah either way not a fan of his writing and feel he could've written things much better with what he is able to get away with.

Didn't like the writing in Frontiers at all, Shadow Gens had some better moments but I've also got some problems with it and that's ignoring all the reference spam for both games

Honestly though, I doubt Ian will change, he's more than aware of the criticisms and seems content to just keep things as they are, just like a doormat as you well described

>>720417453
They exist, and are good overall. People are just too stupid and QTE every enemy, fight all the optional ones, then moan the stages are "too long". Some of the puzzles are kind of shitty, but the platforming is fun, and the combat is decent and varied enough.

>>720417847
>are good overall
lol
lmao even

Werehog is fun (on Wii...)

>>720417934
>no argument
Thanks for proving my point, it's just loud hate.

>>720417141
needs more still pngs for flashbacks

>>720403151
It's a shame there wasn't much substance to Mephiles's Shadow Generations appearance, given their history.

>>720417370
>They don't. This is only perpetuated by retard autists who follow the same idiotic mindset you and those who prop up P06 as the "true 06" do.
You don't play many games outside of Sonic let alone PC games, do you?
I've had to play everything from old abandonware slavjank to Triple A games that were rushed to release and where the devs were fucked over by the publishers as was the case for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines.
Also no, Project 06 isn't the "true Sonic 06". It's a fan remake. It doesn't fix the game, it takes the only salvageable part of the level design and gameplay and makes it a completely different game. The only fix to Sonic 06 is a straight up remake, and that's why Project 06 works.
>Personal problem. They should've rushed to make it a good game instrad.
I don't disagree. I am not saying they made a secret masterpiece. I am saying it's a decent game if fan patched or modded. You can't make the same argument for 06 or Forces which are much worse.
>Do you alter the original game with the Shadow mods, yes or no?
I don't alter Sonic 06 with any Shadow mods, the fuck are you talking about?
My point was that Sonic 06 is a case of a game so fucking bad that not even modding or patching it can fix it. Unlike Shadow 05 which is kinda shit but can be made into a DECENT game with Reloaded.
If you play Legacy of Solaris instead (which is the Reloaded equivalent to Sonic 06), Sonic 06 is still garbage. That's my point.

>>720395452
Wait a second... those dirt cubes...

>>720416396
It's genuinely amazing how much Sonic CD misunderstands how a Sonic game works. Knuckles Chatoix is the better addon game

>>720417749
Yeah spot on. That's why I don't really despise the man or defend him too much either. I somewhat sympathize with him to a degree, especially since I understand that feeling of creative burnout all too well, but at the same time, I feel he doesn't want to change his situation at all and feels that if he keeps acting like this that somehow things will change. He doesn't realize it won't help him get anywhere and it'll only make things worse for him and everyone else.
It sucks honestly.

>>720418389
How can you make that Shadow game decent? Have you seen its level design?

>>720418524
>Sonic CD misunderstands Sonic games
In what way?

>>720388912 (OP)
Crush 40's music is annoying.

>>720418558
I never had that much of an issue with it. I don't disagree with the fact that it is messy in terms of level design, but it reminds me of the weaker parts of Heroes more than anything else. Reloaded just fixes the movement, feel and general gameplay to make actually going through the game actually somewhat manageable and fixes the shitty route system.
It isn't a game I'd call an underrated masterpiece, nor would I say it's still awful. But it's okay. Serviceable, could've been better. Reminds me of Heroes in many ways in terms of how it could've been better. The Japanese retranslated mod makes the story actually kinda decent as well, but again, there's room for improvement there too.
I just don't see it as 06 or Forces tier. It's just kinda "eh" with a few good moments here and there. But not irredeemably bad like the others. Just in that weird middle zone like Heroes.
Still, both it and Heroes were an omen to SEGA's dogshit dev cycle of just making the devs pump out a game every 1-2 years and expecting it to be good even if it was rushed to hell and back, which is what lead to the disaster that was Sonic 06. That's something they share in common.

My hot take that Blaze is kinda boring and so is her dimension, which isn't worth exploring.

>>720416396
>>720418524
I feel like conflicted about CD, because I can understand the complaints of the level design, but at the same time, the fact that the game requires you to Time Attack it for the unlockables helps to make you appreciate it.

>>720403840
Honestly I can see someone liking Lost world but not colors.
The ds version of colors is great with some dumb shit here and there, but the wii version is so dull.

>>720388912 (OP)
Super Sonic is only moon level and you can't prove it otherwise.
Only Darkspine Sonic is a reality warper.

>>720417462
I have and I really like what he did with the design in that, especially the cyberspace stages I thought they were a huge step up

>>720394278
It's weird because sonic strikes me at the kind of guy that hates objective evil over anything.
If someone killed Eggman he would be mad at the killer or something.

>>720419228
Sonic tried to kill Eggman at the end of Lost World, arguably Sonic 1 and CD as well.

The boost formula games were never good.
>>720413298
>throwback to classic Sonic
>can't even get the physics of their own game right

>>720411363
Advance never receiving its own Classic-tier autismos that go out of their way to fix the games' biggest flaws is a crime.
We deserve Advance 1 Forever, Advance 2 Absolute, and Advance 3 Chaos Angel Revisited. I wish I was good enough to be that guy.

>>720398056
I unfortunately did, on the day of release. Beat it in one sitting, got all red rings, the most disappointed ive ever been in a Sonic release. Gone back to try and play it again multiple times and its just as bad as I remember it.

>>720419728
it's fine but it's been a decade since it was first introduced, we need something new

>>720390961
SoJ has pretty much always hated Sonic as an IP, given how much effort theyve put into saboraging it instead of actually giving the games a good budget and development time.

>>720419874
What's so bad about it?

IDW Comics just fails to commit.
Metal Virus Arc? Had zero negative impacts on anyone after the event despite being sold off as the most hopeless and traumatic arc in the comics.
Surge and Kit? They become heroes when their initial appeal was that they were villain versions of Sonic and Tails.
Mimic/Duo? Supposed to be a intimidating and unpredictable assassin. Only to be a dumbass that brought nothing but pointless drama that goes nowhere. Gets outed in the dumbest way possible and then, suicide bombs himself fighting Whisper.
Clutch? Similar thing, except he's now Eggman's puppet. Suppose to be a powerful mobster, only to be a pathetic jobber.
It brings in interesting ideas only to squander them with the endings.

>>720418161
I still remember the theories of him being the big bad when it was announced because of the pretty fucking obvious DUDE TIME TRAVEL aspect to his story.
Kinda sad it didn't come true, I did not care for the Black Doom rehash honestly.

>>720414295
Never said I hated Pac-Man I respect my elders ;)

>>720388912 (OP)
Both of CD's and 3D Blast's soundtracks are good, and I prefer US though I'll admit that JP CD is stronger overall due to its use of motifs (though by that logic Saturn 3D Blast would be stronger which, eh I could go either way). Also, US CD's soundtrack is more varied than people give it credit for.
Sonic's gameplay in Sonic Adventure 1 is the ideal 3D Sonic formula (that has actually been used by Sega).
Sonic Triple Trouble 16-bit's changes (making it sequel to 3&K, making Atomic Destroyer another space station instead of an underwater weapon/something as unique, Metal Sonic hijacking the finale) weaken the game.

>>720418389
>being this retarded on purpose
You are not helping your case here.

>>720418075
When the opposition is so unfathomably stupid, arguing with them does nothing. You've already exposed how embarassing you are, so I have no need to argue.

>>720414785
Blaze was also his rival in Rush until they became friends in Rush Adventure

>>720419874
You did not get all the red rings on your first playthrough in one sitting why lie?

>>720417117
sonic mania

>>720421065
I still like that Black Knight was all about the rivals and making them playable and I'm miffed that Silver and Jet were locked to side modes.
And also that Metal was stiffed but I've seen the argument that Fake Arthur was the Metal stand-in (Sonic is the real Arthur, Fake Arthur was literally created by Merlin who is hinted at being Eggman, we never see any proper human elements to him) so I can respect it. I want another game like it that focuses on the rivals, but you know, properly set in continuity instead of Ye Olde Ingerland.

>>720421424
I love Mania but that game didn't revive Sonic. Sega completely ignored what made Mania so good with their own games.

>>720421561
its a better revival than bananza

>>720422013
Bananza isn't a revival it's nintendo making a wario game and putting wokey kong on it at the last minute

>>720420327
Nothing ever happens, everyone says Forces had potential, but it's conceptually at odds with the series never changing the state of the world for the sake of maintaining the status quo.
Wars are inherently consequential, series like Sonic are allergic to consequence, it was fucked the second it was greenlit.

>>720422013
What the hell kinda cope is this?

>>720422145
How many world ending disasters has sonic been in?
>perfect chaos
>biolizard/eclipse cannon
>neo metal
>solaris
>black doom
>dark gaia
>the black hole in colors
>null space
>the end
probably more and they're all brushed off the moment the game ends, sonic's world is fucked so hard a regular thursday has the world splitting into continents and two days later it's back to normal

>>720422315
SA2's moon is the biggest example of the status quo resetting shit, it's not that the world is numb to the curazy nonsense that happens in it, it's that whatever happens that would be of consequence gets undone.
Half the moon was blown up? No it wasn't.
They do this shit all the time, Forces was never going to work.

>>720422160
its in reference to the original image

>>720423461
>it's not that the world is numb to the curazy nonsense that happens in it
I don't know. From what I loosely remember from Unleashed, all the townspeople seemed to get over the whole world getting literally split into pieces pretty quick. It was "OH SHIT, OH FUCK" to "Oh, Sonic's here. Sonic's here, everybody! He'll take care of it!"

>>720411876
What the HELL is this shit?

>>720422145
It would be kino to have a game based upon archie lore where shit just gets more and more fucked and they find out that things got so fucked up on earth thousands of years in the past that it created their current fucked up world.

I feel like games in general don't do this, even for single entries. The only time I can think of is in FF6

I still want them in the games.

>>720423668
some commissioned rushed album people now talk about because cybershill mentioned it

>>720423668
One of those weird albums that some series tend to get.
This one was part of the "Sega Tunes" line, but compared to the others, doesn't have much to do with the actual game (Sonic). It's also where SRB2 got its title song from: https://youtu.be/ZZm-qBfgJE0

>>720423661
Yeah, because Sonic is a gary stu, he fixes everything because he's supposed to.
Only then it's revealed during the night time that everyone is still freaking the fuck out internally and are just pretending that everything's going to be fine during the daytime, they can't do that during night time because of Dark Gaia's heightened influence lowering their inhibitions.

>>720412131
Not only did Megaman get a ton of games but a shit ton of music remixes in Smash Ultimate specifically. I’m edging on saying it’s a bit too much but the music is so good I just hate how most of it is from classic too.

>>720417998
Wiihog vs WereHDhog

Who wins?

>>720418524
CD should’ve been a Tails or Knuckles spinoff since it encourages exploration

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic is lamer than Mario despite Sonic being all about the attitude and edge. Sonic refusing to kill Eggman after the many times he endangers the world makes him lamer than a Disney characters. For crying out loud I've seen Disney characters with more edge than Sonic.

Eggman deserves to be put to death for all his crimes and Sonic allowing this bastard to live is why I stopped liking Sonic. There is no difference between Sonic and gay shit like Steven Universe which is all about forgiving villains.

>>720424929
>kill off one of the best characters in the series
>because Sega is autistic about canon, he wouldn't appear in anything again, not even a fun spinoff, unless it's explicitly about time travel
Genuinely awful take, I'm proud of you man.

>>720424929
That's only ever been a problem in IDW. In the games, Eggman just escapes near death scenarios with plot-armor. Sonic never once tried to save Eggman from his own destruction in the games, he only does so when Eggman is a temporary ally like in Lost World.

>>720408143
>Blaze is best girl and the sexiest sonic girl
S-Grade heroine material
Really wish she'd star in a mainline game

>>720424929
>>720425094
Eggman has died, the next game just ignored that he did to bring him back.
Generations ends with him stuck in an endless void with no way out, and then the next game just has him inexplicably return anyway.

>>720419789
1000% agree, classic romhacks and fixes are disgustingly overrated. There’s nothing stopping people from trying to do stuff with the Advance games, I mean GBA Fire Emblem gets a ton of romhacks

>>720425094
Got to stop to stop you right there. Eggman suffers from the same bullshit as Joker from Batman. He has become such an iconic villain that now he's a Gary Stu. But to compliment Joker its possible to kill him in certain continuities? Eggman? Suggest killing this world destroying bastard and Sega will not allow it. That's what makes Eggman shitty and annoying. He is protected by Company Red Tape.

Villain Gary Stus always suck. Even freaking Bison has managed to die in Street Fighter despite being iconic and before anyone says it the current Bison is NOT the original he doesn't have the same memories as such the same committed crimes attached to him.

>>720423884
It's over...

>>720420205
SoJ hates sonic because they are still ass blasted from the last time SoA did what they couldn't.

>>720425360
Outside of Archie, Eggman rarely inflicts permanent harm on anything that would warrent killing him. He's a saturday morning cartoon villain - or, more literally, a storybook villain - so the consequence of his actions beyond the scope of the story don't usually exist.

>>720424929
Eggman's endgame is just building his autistic amusement park and he's not a direct threat to the world himself. He's also helped out with stopping shit he helped cause so he's a potential asset for whatever monster of the week got awakened, no point in killing him.

>>720417141
>Your platonic friend Sonic is gone
KEK

>>720388912 (OP)
>>720389120
the 2d controls in colors are fucking horrible and thats like half the game. Its not even really a 3d sonic game.

>>720388912 (OP)
As iconic as the ring health system is, I think they should've changed it for 3D, similar to Mario changing its iconic mini-Mario on hit design.

>>720399718
amy being all poetic and stoic in frontiers strikes me as poorly written and the whole plot of being in a computer is really bizarre to me but its aight

Forces is better than Colors by a lot. Colors scoring system actively discourages speed and Planet Wisp is the only good looking world and has good music.

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic Lost World was a good game.

Some aspects of Boom designs should carry over to the main cast. Slightly smaller hands and longer quills for example or Amy's design in general, hell even her boom personality would be a better direction to take her than whatever Flynn is trying to do with her currently. Taking aspects from Tails boom design too wouldn't be so bad either since they've been trying to make him more mature lately.

The constant nostalgiafagging from the fanbase over the adventure and classic era is preventing the games from ever truly evolving

Unleash's day stages are filled with the problems that a lot of modern boost games get criticized for but everyone pretends like they don't exist in unleash for some reason

Sonic Forces isn't as bad as people like to make it out to be. Its an ok game its biggest crime is being short and unfinished but aside from that there's nothing egregious about it except for some story elements and it had a few good ideas that I hope don't get completely abandoned like the wispons and avatar stages

>>720425360
That's not what that term means, mary sue/gary stu only applies to characters that are always right, have no flaws and are better than everyone else. That's not Eggman or Joker, they just have "Joker Immunity", that is they can't be killed off because they're the series antagonists, Eggman comes back not because he found a way out of White Space, but because he isn't allowed to not come back.

Sonic is a Gary Stu, rather he became one in the 2000s and him being the only playable character for 10 years only exasperated that until we reached a breaking point with Forces and everyone is pretending that Sonic is the only reason Eggman can't take over the world.

>>720394616
Classicfags are delusional. Sonic would've been dead as a franchise if they stuck to 2d during an era where every competitor was going 3d.
>Sonic as a whole has a design issue with what the world actually is, cities with random rails, loops and boost pads scattered around?
Makes no sense.
That's an issue with you and your inability to suspend you disbelief for what is obvious gameplay desing and not the faults of 3d games. Its like asking why the blue hedgehog can talk or run fast when or why he drives a car when the answer should be incredibly obvious

>>720425941
But doesn’t Mario have a health meter in his 3D games? I love how Sunshine uses an actual Sun for its health meter, pretty soulful

>>720426253
Let me guess you also think the EDM remixes in Colors Ultimate wasn’t that bad either?

>>720388912 (OP)
It's kinda shit innit

>>720402296
>I swear most of the people bitching about the “meta-era” haven’t watched any of the cutscenes.
What they have watched is a lot of video essays telling them how to feel about said era

Planet Wisp is overrated as shit, I do not get why everyone prefers it to Tropical Resort, Sweet Mountain, Starlight Carnival, Aquarium Park, Asteroid Coaster or Terminal Velocity.

>>720419789
>We deserve Advance 1 forever
Its coming sooner than you think.
https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2

>>720426332
>The constant nostalgiafagging from the fanbase over the adventure and classic era is preventing the games from ever truly evolving

This is arguably what killed Megaman 10 was the last game before 11 and 10 was in fucking 8-Bits lmao. Imagine if Mania or Sonic 4 were the last games until sat Frontiers? Can’t really think of a good analogy for Sonic but I tried

>>720426556
I don't remember any of them honestly, I really only remember planet wisp and the opening theme.

>>720413328
This but without that mod. I played it the original way, all A ranks and expert mode done, it was still good. Most overhated game of all time thanks to people who go in wanting to hate it. Reloadedfags will never be real shadow fans. Fuck mad matrix dark. Complaining about having to replay it outs you as the biggest moron alive when sonic games from the beginning have been about replaying them to get faster and better as you learn the levels.

>>720426514
What I meant was that when Mario went 3D they realized the way they did health in 2D didn't work. They still use the big Mario, little Mario but it's pretty much exclusive to 2D games.

>>720426670
2 is my favorite 2d Sonic and I was very disappointed with Mania.

>>720413472
>They gaslit themselves into thinking hes a good character or something
Hey! Just like Trunks

>>720426489
Even though I think the series never reached the heights of the classic games and the 3D games never quite got the gameplay design nailed down, you're 100% right. Sticking with 2D would've been the death of the franchise. Castlevania went 3D, it wasn't a massive hit, went back to 2D, relegated to handhelds, died. Mega Man went 3D, it bombed, went back to 2D, relegated to handhelds, died. Even Rayman, even with the newer 2D games being great it didn't do anything for the franchise's success moving forward.
The fact that Sega never did stop pushing Sonic in 3D is the only reason it's still around. Presumably they only did that because Sega seriously lacks any other big hit franchises. They don't have some Resident Evil or AssCreed to really justify killing Sonic. Even Nintendo doesn't bring out 2D Mario that much.

>>720426670
He's right

>>720427104
Imagine being a kid with all those cool 3d games coming mario 64 and sunshine, crash, the zelda games, spyro, ratchet and clank, jack and daxter and telling everyone no thanks I'd rather sonic 5 & ray in 2d side scrolling action and not feeling lame and left out. it's fucking ridiculous anyone even thinks 2d sonic would survive such a pivotal competitive era

>>720426670
What happened to Megaman after 11 anyways? Did 11 not sell well enough it seems dead again

>>720427535
Pretty much. One of the good things about the old handheld market is that the technical limitation meant these sort of games that no longer had a space in the home console market could still survive rather than be seen a retro throwback.

>>720388912 (OP)
right now sonic>mario

>>720427693
11 sold over 1 mill but Capcom never cared about MegaMan. They only made it cause someone at Capcom was passionate about it

>>720426670
mania basically was the last game until frontiers
I ignored forces and didnt even need to think about it because I was still enjoying mania

>>720422145
>>720422315
I mostly like the episodic nature of Sonic.
Conflicts are wrapped up in one run, and you aren't missing too much lore if you skip a few games.

>>720422145
>>720428396
>bro what if there was a sonic game where you dont play as sonic lol
>you know how fans make their own OCs? the game is about that!
PEOPPLE WILL LOVE IT!! LOVE IT!

>>720426589
>>720426559
Colors only had a lasting cultural impact because of the music if you seriously think about it. It perfectly resonated with what people were listening to at the time, if not for that main song it would have faded into obscurity.

>>720428606
The funniest thing about Sega is that even when they have ideas like that they always always always regret it towards the end of development. So even with Forces being an obvious response to the OC stuff in the community, you still have to play as Sonic.

>>720421413
Theres no way you struggled with anything in this game, it was piss easy and only a few red rings were actually somewhat hard to find. And game rentals were 1 day for new releases, so i had no choice but to beat it at once. Colors is shit.

>>720428834
also I really doubt anyone was able to make their sonic OC for real with the lame ass character creator they made.

Sonic Colors had the best first impression of any 3D Sonic game
>That beautiful title screen with the music
>Press start
>TROPICAL RESORT ACT 1
>"Oh shit did I skip the intro?"
>Nope, just thrown right into the game, perfect first stage that's a fun little romp to show you the controls
>Beat it
>TROPICAL RESORT ACT 2
>"Is there a story??????"
>Play through another fun act getting used to the game and what it offers
>Beat it
>Finally shown the first cutscene
Newer fans don't understand how much of a big deal that was back then. Generations tries the same thing but it doesn't hit the mark as well

>>720429184
Why lie?

>>720429331
I get it, you were probably 3 when it released so you struggled and its your favorite because nostalgia. But its still piss easy garbage.

>>720411208
Holy fucking shit that ego. I have never seen such a mediocre artist be so fucking full of himself.

>>720429310
and then the goodwill is immediately thrown off when you see the next stage is mostly 2d and most of the game is going to be 2d with awful stiff controls....
but sure going from sonic 06' to this was great still.

>>720429998
The irony when your only argument is calling me a liar.
I have no doubt in my mind you were at most 5 years old when it came out if you actually like that shit game. Tell me im wrong, tell me its not nostalgia.

>>720431048
Ad hominem

>>720430248
Colors has good level design and movement. It's not as good as the Mega Drive games though.

>>720389721
pic related probably didn't help, most expensive SEGA produced game ever by the way

>>720427104
I actually think Shadow Generations pretty much nailed what I want from a 3D sonic game.

Just make more of that with original levels.

>>720388912 (OP)
I miss when they were the same character.

>>720433097
I still have to get around to trying that one out. I've heard good things.

>>720414916
Yakuza isn't getting fucktons of merchandise, spinoffs, comics, tv shows, movies, ect.

>>720433097
Shadow Generations is pure boostslop. It has no slope physics to it

>>720433206
Same, Generations should've never separated them

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic needs an Adventure 3.
I don't mean the gameplay, I mean the scope. The grand narrative, new locations, I want to see the series step out of its comfort zone and make new stories to be remembered instead of calling back to old shit over and over again.

I'm tried of celebrating Sonic's past, I want to see Sonic's future.

>>720414916
I don't think Yakuza is that big. Certainly more mainstream than it used to be but still not that big. Sega doesn't really that one or two juggernaut franchises that carry the entire company and every game sells like hot cakes. Sonic is the closest to that and even then it usually doesn't sell amazingly well compared to the other big names in the industry, but it has a lot of multimedia opportunities.

>>720433797
That's supposed to be a hot take? I think all but the most delusional of fans are very tried of seeing Green Hill and Chemical Plant.

>>720433797
Sonic will never move forward as long as Ian Flynn is the writer and Sonic Team keeps putting Green Hill in every single game

>>720433797
>I mean the scope. The grand narrative, new locations, I want to see the series step out of its comfort zone and make new stories to be remembered instead of calling back to old shit over and over again.
>I'm tried of celebrating Sonic's past, I want to see Sonic's future.
I hope Frontiers 2 does that.

>>720432023
Mad

>>720388912 (OP)
That's not a hot take anymore, enough time has passed after Forces for the blame hate train on colors to stop, at least going off /v/ cause I don't use shit like twitter. Though I'd say colors is still just decently good

>>720433912
Took you 50 minutes to come up with that huh

>>720434019
Still mad. If you were actually playing games instead of lurking here you wouldnt have struggled with a baby game like colors.

>>720434308
Some Red Rings are not placed on the main path so I doubt you would be able find them on your first run

>>720410416
dead ass - nig slang for silly serious

>>720388912 (OP)
Jason and Ryan are better Sonic VAs than Roger

>>720411208

Ken Penders used the Sonic x Image Comics crossover as a backdoor pilot for one of his failed comics. He has absolutely no room to talk.

>>720392094
I always forget there are people who don't consider murder bad. Even trippier are that there are "witches" who think cursing people is good and have zero understanding of the threefold rule.

>>720388912 (OP)
Frontiers is the worst Sonic Story we've ever had. Worse than 06 even.

The tumblrification of Sonic is the real reason why the characters are so shit now. A good example of this is Metal Sonic and how lardfats portray his relationship with Eggman.

>>720433851
Exactly. It’s not even “hot” anymore, it’s just common sense at this point. Every time a new game drops and they shove Green Hill in again like it’s some kind of legally mandated nostalgia hit, it feels like a white flag. Like they’re scared to go all in on anything new. The series has such a massive world to explore, and they keep resetting the damn clock. Let the past breathe and give us something to actually look forward to.

>>720434865
Oh you misunderstood. I had to replay stages for all the red rings. But it was one long play session. Then i returned it to the game rental store and never bought it. I think its one of the only mainline sonic games i dont actually own because i hated it that much.

>>720433851
i have green hill, sky sanctuary, chemical plant, and stardust speedway fatigue

>>720388912 (OP)
The hottest take is that the Sonic franchise is a hot chick heaven.

>>720388912 (OP)
Shadow is a worse character without Maekawa's supervision

Hilltop Zone has a real boppin' track.

>>720388912 (OP)
Sonic was never good. Why sonic fans still exist is the greatest mystery of our time,

I do not care for Frontiers.

2D Sonics are almost unplayable. Have the games been hacked to have
1. more visibility on what is ahead in the stage
2. faster acceleration for walking/running
Two simple fixes to likely make the games good

>>720388912 (OP)
The last good sega made sonic game was sonic rush and 3d sonic games are all terrible

Sonic always had trash character design and awful design principles and gameplay. The Dreams Come True soundtrack in Sonic 1 is the only good thing in the entire franchise

>>720410997
Why is Spongebob here? It's like if you did this image for RPG's and had Cartman there

>>720435838
No its not, cope