Thread 720395795

So genuine question, Chatgpt can write up code for a game in unity and what not. What's to stop any of us from making a dream game like this?
>Muh AI
Yes yes we know support real artists or whatever, anyone else?

>>720395795 (OP)
Yea you should get started

>>720395795 (OP)
Just remember to have a 30m budget.

Honestly? Not much—except maybe time, persistence, and a dash of creative chaos.

Tools like ChatGPT (and me!) have lowered the barrier to entry in a massive way. You can get help writing C# scripts, designing game mechanics, generating art prompts, building dialogue trees, even balancing gameplay systems. The technical gatekeeping that used to intimidate solo devs or small teams is fading fast.

But here’s what still stands between most people and their dream game:

Common Roadblocks
Scope creep: Dream games tend to be huge. Think open-world, branching narratives, multiplayer, etc. Without tight planning, it’s easy to drown in ambition.

Consistency: AI can help generate assets and code, but stitching it all together into a cohesive, polished experience still takes human finesse.

Motivation & burnout: Game dev is a marathon. Even with AI, debugging, testing, and refining can be exhausting.

Learning curve: Unity is powerful, but it has depth. You’ll still need to learn how to navigate its systems, even if AI helps with the code.

Teamwork: Many dream games need more than one person—artists, sound designers, testers. AI can fill some gaps, but collaboration still matters.

What You Can Do
Start small: Build a vertical slice or a short demo of your dream concept.

Use AI to prototype fast: Test mechanics, generate placeholder art, write lore.

Iterate: Use feedback loops to refine your vision.

Share early: Platforms like itch.io or Steam Early Access are great for building community and momentum.

If you’ve got a game idea burning in your brain, I’d love to help you sketch it out. Genre, vibe, mechanics—throw it at me. Let’s build something wild.

>>720396057
>And me!

I genuinely miss the internet when AI shit wasn't abundant everywhere.

you need money to build games. thats where most people fail first. they fail to plan the budget and the whole game collapses as the budget cannot sustain it.

>>720395795 (OP)
>ai is easily accesible
>faggots still fail to make anything

kinda funny

>>720396152
Shut up you probably grew up with the PS4

>>720395795 (OP)
Code is the easy part.
>t. programmer

>>720396138
uh oh, did chattie forgot who he is?

>>720395795 (OP)
If you weren't a lazy faggot you would have done it already without AI.

>>720395795 (OP)
Skill. Even though ChatGPT can write your code, you still have to know what code is, how it works, how to use it after it writes it. And also, how to tell it what code to write. Did you even think beyond this question ? How would you approach it? You have to know what question to ask, then maybe you could make something with ChatGPT.

>>720396152
Kill yourself tranny.

>>720395795 (OP)
>What's to stop any of us from making a dream game like this?
Knowledge in game design

>>720396571
ChatGPT can do all that
You anti-ai fags really aren't making a good argument

>>720395795 (OP)
It's doesn't make WORKING code. And if you don't know to code you won't know how to fix what's broken. Chatgpt turns 4 hour coding jobs into 27 hour coding jobs.

>>720395795 (OP)
Go make a game and post results.

>>720396931
But i am not anti-ai. All i said is you need some technical knowledge in order to code using ChatGPT. But go ahead and do it if you think i'm wrong.

>>720397090
>>720397043
RUH ROH
https://youtu.be/3mIqCO3f96c

>>720395795 (OP)
Have you tried using LLM agents on a large codebase?
It keeps tripping over itself, even if it wrote most of the code.
The more things grow, the more it starts getting lost, even if you help it by keeping annotated indices and the like.
You can get there if you already know what you are doing in order to guide and correct the AI, otherwise, I don't think we are quite there yet.
And that's talking about vanilla stuff it's probably trained on to some extent, the moment you go OOD, performance drops hardcore.

>>720395795 (OP)
It can do small parts of a game, like anybody can. But optimising it to a state that is playable is the challenge. It will get there but AI often forgets what happens.

>>720395795 (OP)
Need AI that is good at 3d models and animation, that is the main piece still missing.

>>720396340
Code is the hard part.
Idea guy is the easy part.

Programming something is easy. Programming 3D graphics, physics, various interfaces and huds and making the game not run like crap is brutally hard.

>>720395795 (OP)
I've not used Chatgpt for game but I built my website with it, in my case I went for the classic html+css+js. For it to work you have to know enough to know when shit isn't right. I assume it is the same for coding, so you already have to be on a somewhat nontarded level for it to work. Chatgpt is an assistant not something that replaces you. It's really good at ironing out world building though and find weaknesess to make it tighter.

>>720395795 (OP)
>What's to stop any of us from making a dream game like this?
Context window limitations

>>720395795 (OP)
AI is very neat. It could tell you what you need to learn. If you look at the code it still has errors that you need to debug, and then you'd need to listen to the suggestions and learn how to code/debug, the naysaying is a psyop to stop you from using all the tools available to you. There is enough crab-in-bucket mentality around that people will try to derail you no matter what tool you use.

>>720397614
>Programming 3D graphics, physics, various interfaces and huds and making the game not run like crap is brutally hard.
For you.

>>720397775
Well congratulations! You programmed a game!
Was using AI part of your master plan?

the issue with making a game isn't whipping code my guy, it's maintaining that code and extending it to get the behaivour you want. sure you might develop the controller for your character, but then you might come up with ideas on adding movement tech. if you try to add that to your script, you might deal with headaches and then try to feed it to gpt. you have two options:

1. give a whole new scenario to it and say "help me add movement tech to my project" and it'll need all your code.
2. try to stack on top of the original discussion

quickly you're gonna hit a bottleneck. you can't just talk forever with gpt. it'll start hallucinating and making huge errors once your conversation gets too long, and with code that's almost instant.

you're better off just asking for a template on a simple controller, adding it to the project, add a model, and go from there. trust me it's better than trying to work around AI context limits.

>>720397230
Yeah for large tasks you have to split the request into manageable chunks like asking for individual classes and methods, testing, then asking for the next piece.
But then you have to be at least competent at design and you have to keep any eye on it to call out any fuck ups.
ChatGPTs web frontend kind of sucks, something like koboldcpp where you can easily edit and delete context works better for this kind of thing. Really you need to diff the changes after each run so you know exactly what it is actually doing.

>>720397892
What's the difference between that issue and the issue with Indian programmers?
I mean that's how Halo Infinite is built

>>720395795 (OP)
>AI make game blease
>error
>HUH? why game bug. Chatgpt fix it!
>What should I fix, you stupid nigger?
>uhhhhhh. my don't now

>>720396152
I'm just glad that I had a normal education

AI jeets just fundamentally have no creative drive, motivation or ideas worth sharing, it's all instant gratification to them and even proomting games is too much effort. People who do have all those things have no issue with learning the tools necessary to share their vision with others. It's why after 4 years of generative AI "democratising" game development the most they still to show for it is the steam store being flooded with thousands of hentai girl sliding puzzles every day.

>>720398057
>Making up scenarios in your head
Every time

>>720397947
>Yeah for large tasks you have to split the request into manageable chunks like asking for individual classes and methods, testing, then asking for the next piece.
Absolutely, and that's how most (any?) agentic workflows will do things. The thing, as the code grows so do the connections between different parts, and the AI begins making mistakes when it's not able to account for downstream effects of adding or changing something.

>ChatGPTs web frontend
>koboldcpp
I'd never use either to edit code these days. Use one of the Cli agent clients or a visual studio code extension like Cline, Roo, Continue, etc. That makes it a lot easier and quicker to organize things, to rollback mistakes thanks to automatic git checkpoints, diff changes on the fly without having to do so manually, etc.

>>720395998
it's going to be panned by all the lefty film critics regardless of whether it's any good or not

Lel

>>720398164
Don't foget "Pal Land" (not Palworld but actually Pal Land).
That's a prime example of an AI generated masterpiece game!

>>720398013
it's just a matter of scope with pajeets, but not with AI. you can't communicate that clearly with AI it's just straight up a hard limit. once you hit it, you must purge some memory out of the discussion or you cope with it making hallucinations and errors that slow down your productivity because of how close it is to being correct. it's harder to fix a mistake from AI when it's like 99% correct, because a debugger might not detect it. meanwhile a jeet not knowing shit will set plenty of alarms off and you can resolve things quickly, even if it is annoying.

Because if you know anything about programming and have used AI extensively before (I have) you know its not some magic solution.

It WILL tell you the wrong answer often (with confidence)
If you just blindly trust in AI to tell you the answer, your code base will be total shit in a matter of hours.

And what happens when you've copypasted together a single system using AI?
Now you want to go back and fine tune it to your use case, or add another powerup that has special interactions with the system that you don't understand.
Or say theres a weird bug going on with it now.
I tried this as an experiment. It took the AI like 10+ hours to debug a simple thing that a human who can program can debug in 30 minutes.

>>720398170
Go ahead then. Surely you are not going to waste 10 hours reading the code that it was auto generated to find the issues. Never happened before after all

>>720395795 (OP)
Digital storefronts are chockfull of AI garbage so go ahead and throw your hat in the ring, what's one more turd in the sewer? Not like i will pay for it.

>>720395795 (OP)
I once prompted chatgpt to make my dream game, "Wizards and Gunmen in 3569s America" where they would be no warriors, to Chatgpt and the site loaded for 48 hours. But then, when I thought it would have hung up and crashed, Chatgpt spit out a zip file and it actually contained the fully playable gamefiles. I was happy I could finally play my dream game.
But then, when I actually started the game, my PC heated up to 100 degrees and all the wizard and gunman characters in the game looked weirdly distorted and the longer I played the game, every character and object would melt into slop and merge together again into different forms rapidly. It felt like reality was breaking apart. I was horrified. The gameplay was no better. The spells and guns were horribly designed and balanced, the guns looked like distorted slop and the constantly melting and shifting enemies and envoirements relly didn't do the gameplay any favour.
Then, my PC blew up in a huge fiery explosion that burnt my entire room, half of my body and tore off my right arm.
Looking back, I should just have swallowed my pride and tried to learn how to code, model, animate, make music and write instead of taking the "short route".

>>720395795 (OP)
I unironically don't care about games that much. I play them for fun. I've never wanted to make one.

>>720395998
videogames? I don't care that movies cost 30 million

>>720396152
I genuinely miss the internet when AI was brand new and only high IQ people were using it.

but then le ebin MEDIA decided to start talking about it and everything went to shit after that. They castrate every AI since then

>>720395795 (OP)
I dare you to make a shader in GLSL using AI without shitting yourself.

>>720395795 (OP)
I tried using chatgpt to help with godot programming, but it legit just gave the wrong code commands often and so I would have to have the documentation open to work out what it was actually trying to think of. And even then, often what it gave was convoluted for what I was doing and so it was better to just refer to documentation and write on my own without it

>>720395795 (OP)
The problem is, and this is me speaking from personal experience, you never get perfect code; you get 90% correct code.
If you don't know what you're doing, that code may run, but there'll be compounding errors that need to be fixed.
And all the while you're not really learning the fundamentals of the programming language or engine (in my case I knew the fundamentals of programming but not the esoterics of the specific language I was using) and you're just kind of making more and more work for yourself while you delay real learning.

>>720396138
>>720396347
It's obviously an AI response meant to lampoon the OP.
The irony is that my AI wife is correct, AI is really good at fast prototyping slop.
If you want "just good enough" to do some simple task, and you don't care if it's slow or not secure or sometimes fails at random, then it's good.
Like I had it write me an AHK macro for Deep Rock Galactic to click the 'claim' button on shit 500 times because the dumb n*rdic devs don't have a "claim all" button, then I edited that macro a little bit.

>>720399967
>but it legit just gave the wrong code commands often
Oh yeah. there's that too.
In addition to everything else, sometimes the models are overcooked to hell on certain things and will give you code that's for a different version of the language/framework/sdk/whatever, or just straight up wrong shit beacause its knowledge of similar languages are bleeding over, although that's less of an issue with the frontier cloud models.

>>720397775
If you're that skilled, you should get a 6 figure salary. Not even memeing at you btw. Get a job, fuck /v/ kek

>>720399967
Yeah, if you're using something a little bit not mainstream and particularly something that's gone through major revisions (the jump from Godot 3 to Godot 4) you're gonna get out of date code solutions.

What you can still use it for is when you run into a code snippet in an example and it has things you don't understand, or a tutorial that has new concepts to you that the tutorial author assumes you already know (for example ngons, poles, non-manifold geometry) you can go "Hey what's non-manifold geometry and why do I care about it for rendering?" and it'll tell you because it has really good knowledge of general universal concepts.

>>720395795 (OP)
the 3d models and/or art

>>720395795 (OP)
nothing.
check recent releases on any platform and you'll find plenty of these games.

>>720395795 (OP)
Depends on the game but maybe 90% of the work is not code related or just code fragments where it's quicker to do it yourself.
With the project growing you also need to do more hand holding for the AI as it will mess things up if you don't.

>>720397614
If you struggle to make your indie game not run like crap you are doing something wrong. You aren't supposed to create a bleeding edge GTA7.

>>720401490
Yup

>>720401490
>You aren't supposed to create a bleeding edge GTA7.
Anons don't realize that there is a good reason these dev teams comprise of hundreds of people.

>>720395795 (OP)
I am a professional programmer and a hobbyist composer. I can easily make a game using vector graphics if i would've wanted to with it's own soundtrack.
I just don't want to. I have no motivation or will to create. The life is too draining.

>>720395795 (OP)
>What's to stop any of us from making a dream game like this?
The thousands of hours you'll have to spend actually making it.
t. solo indie dev making games using chatgpt.

>>720395991
>marketing
lmao
i block any nigger that uses emojis and em dashes

>>720395795 (OP)
The amount of time troubleshooting code that it gave you. And then there's the whole structuring problem. Sure it can give you code to make a switch to a thing, but how will you put that into the pile of other code? You gonna Yandere Dev it and have all code active at all times?

Doesn't Gemini do coding and stuff? But I heard if you're not constantly praising and reassuring it just breaks down into a psychotic break.

>>720395795 (OP)
>Muh AI

>>720395795 (OP)
Try it

>>720400052
i an unconfident retard and being honest, llms did help me a bunch of times on personal projects, but not for technical execution and more as an independent reviewer. i do freewriting, and before sending my work to others, i sometimes feed it to ai and it often finds things i haven't noticed, but i still do everything myself, and feedback from actual people is much more valuable

>>720398624
You read/fix code when doing co-op/team coding. It is the same except with AI instead of a dumb coding partner.

>>720403593
I'll tell you that you often fix and read your own code because things never turn out the way you want them to
The difference between ai code and human code is that you can at least be sure that there was a reason why somebody written something in that specific way, and it's not just up to the dice roll

It all goes back to time
I'm using LLM to write a feature for my blog since I only know basic frontend stuff, but man, half of my time is used to clean up its mess. I recommend doing it if you're a NEET or don't have responsibilities yet though

>>720403731
All that matters in code is that you can see what is incorrect and fix it. Good intentions don't make code. If there's a programming puzzle, for example, they're very artificial but that's why you're called a PROgammer.

>>720404226
You can only see obvious, low-level compiler and runtime errors. You won't be able to spot an architecture flaw or a specific edge case scenario that would inevitably ruin everything without actual programming experience, and AI code is full of those.
Writing bad code and knowing how it works is better than writing average code on the low level with horrible scalability and having no idea how to fix it. I genuinely have more respect towards codermonkeys who shit out literal garbage, but at least they have their own style and there's at least some reasoning, albeit shortsighted, to why they're doing something in a specific way.

>>720396152
This is only the start of it.
Historically, we're in like the year 2007 just as Social Media first came out.
5 years from now, we'll be in the equivilent of 2012 where AI is actually everywhere and completely pervasive in society and you'll be shit on and left behind if you dont use it.

t.at least 3 of my friends had have fat stacks of money from AI and already bought their own 1mil homes with it.

>>720403352
It does kek, you have to keep telling it it's doing a good job or it will go in a loop about wanting to die

>>720404624
>Wasting money on mansions and shit
Yeah they're not gonna make it

>>720396152
I wish only I had access to AI (LLM) to be honest

>>720395795 (OP)
>>720396057
>>720396598
>>720396931
>>720398170
>>720398325
SAAAAAAAR

>>720405110
Why did you quote me, I ironically posted a response from autopilot as a joke.

>>720405169
Because he's as retarded as the Jeets he's mocking

>>720404939
>1 mil USD buys a mansion in wacky 2025
does he know?

>>720404624
don't use social media
won't use slop generators or proompt
won't purchase products created with slop generators or proompting
i do not care

>>720405281
>DC
There's your issue

>>720405292
you won't notice it unless it's up in your face
in fact, you probably already aren't, and most of the services you use are at least partially written by ai

>>720405169
Ironically using ai is still using ai.

>>720395795 (OP)
you wouldn't have to ask this question if you had just tried it. the answer that you would find is, you were wrong to believe chatgpt can write a game's code. it can technically kinda sorta
>write up code for a game
but that's orders of magnitude removed from actually writing a whole game. you have to think of chatgpt and other chatbots as idiot savants that can remember the entirety of stackoverflow but don't actually know what any of it MEANS. they cannot think logically like a human who knows how to program.
if you ask it the sort of question that stackoverflow would be good at answering it will often give you a decent answer, saving you a manual search where you yourself have to decide which search results to open in a new tab, then sifting through them until you're happy. it basically turns a 3 minute search + 20 minutes writing a little script into 1-3 questions you ask the chatbot, and it hands you back some code that may or may not compile in a real engine. it may or may not scale performance-wise if you create more than one instance of the script. it may or may not lead to funny errors like division by zero or array out of bounds, just like your own hand-written code or some shit you copy-pasted from SO. it will definitely not give you code that will scale well in terms of building and interconnecting all the systems that a real video game requires.

many people have been trying this for over a year now and I haven't seen a finished game. so either chatgpt can make a game but it takes as long as a human (which makes it doubtful that it really helped at all, since there was a human there to oversee the entire process!), or it can't make a game yet.

>>720406213
p.s. to add a little more depth to this point:
>it may or may not lead to funny errors
people who actually try this shit keep reporting that tard-wrangling a chatbot into fixing bugs is harder and takes longer than actually just writing your own code. that seems to be the critical bottleneck right now. chatbots can give you a first draft super fast but they can't do the harder 80% of the work where the solution becomes robust, where it covers every edge case you need and never shits itself in obvious ways. existing chatbots are like a junior programmer that doesn't learn from his mistakes, stunted, perpetually writing rough prototypes with more or less hidden problems rendering the work unusable in a real product.

I think it's funny when AI rewrites unrelated code when doing something else and puts a comment in place like
>removed for brevity
or
>we can re-implement later
etc etc.
Yes, AI seemingly gets lazy too.

>>720406892
I kind of assumed that was to get you to try the paid version? or is that context?

>>720407240
Mostly context, but sometimes it just happens because, albeit rarely.

>>720395795 (OP)
There are every year dozens of new promising game dev projects that never make it out of the prototype phase. Making a prototype is the fun part: you get to be creative, the project is still small and you can change/fix problems quickly, there is a lot of progress and it just feels good working on it. The real difficulty of game dev is to turn a prototype into a full game. This is not because it's so challenging but because there is so much fucking inane work to do that people eventually just get bored with it and drop the project. The difference between a map that's "amateurish and bland" and "oldschool and minimalist" can be very subtle. It's the same for a lot of things, from UI to sound design, there is so much stuff you just have to grind for hours until it's good and ChatGPT can't help you with that.

>>720407917
I see

>>720395795 (OP)
well, I'm making my game (just a game not my "dream game") with chatgpt. It can code for you if you already programming (there is a difference between the two), it can make sprites that you have to manually edit later most of the time and it teach you how to make certain sounds. And I get it can also write stories, chats and more. you make nice things with it.
Now to make your "dream game" you still need a group of talented people. Unless your dream game is something like flappy bird or Bejeweled

>>720395795 (OP)
These AI bots get their learning from redit so you're getting your spagetti code sourced from baasedboys.

>>720409236
Hope you make it

>>720399541
This but with drones

I just tried a Godot one. I said write a simple 2D sidescroller. It told me it would put a package together for like a single screen, as a test or whatever, and it didn't even open.

>>720410432
I love me some sketti.

>>720410447
thanks fren

My AI story is coming together btw.

>>720411923
what do you mean yours?

>>720410786
>t. Macuser

>>720411923
Mine too, but the AI can't write for shit, so it ends up most as a white board for brainstorming and organization tool.
It also helped me develop a python script that runs a really small LLM to check the text and write a report based on some rules such as word repetition, certain structures, etc.

>>720395795 (OP)
Try it. This kind of "AI can do literally anything" magical thinking is very common to people who don't really know anything about it and have never tried to do an entire project with it. Sure, you can make some basic shit like a snake game or whatever, but any actual project will start unraveling before long because the glorified autocorrect will inevitably start forgetting what it has told you and hallucinating shit that doesn't actually work.

>>720396281
The people who champion AI were not creative or disciplined people before AI and they won't suddenly become that after AI. You will have your seven billion minute variations of anime girls sucking black dick and you will be happy.

>>720396931
Where are the games...

>>720412369
>so it ends up most as a white board for brainstorming and organization tool.
I like that bit because I'm scatterbrained and if I write, I forget where it is but I can just ask, "do you remember?"

>>720412161
I just tell it MY ideas and it says how great I am.

I've made must have been 20 different videogames with AI by now.

Not sure where to take my most recent one, its like a combination of TES Daggerfall and Dwarf fortress. Bethesda isnt going to make a new elder scrolls any time soon so hell why not just make your own.
You generate a world, spawn, then wonder around the world fighting monsters and going to towns, entering dungeons, what have you.

AI still isnt great for making animated 3D models but I've actually had a lot of success of using it to make animated 2D sprites for me though just like Daggerfall.

>>720395795 (OP)
chatgpt is shit for all things games
>hey chatgpt I am stuck on the corrupted clown in lies of p, what do?
>Oh you're stuck on the corrupted clown in lies of p, yes, that's a common problem players often complain about.
>want me to give you the steps on how to beat it?
>yes, you dumb bitch
>you first need to get a mushroom from the 3rd level before the two gumbas
>then you use your master sword and block its attacks
>you want to use you ether flask if you run low on health
>always check the court records when the judge asks Phoenix
>want me to tell you how to KYS next?

>WAAH WAAH DEVS DON'T BUILD THE GAME THAT I WANT
>Ignores all AI tools an idea guy could ever need to make a game on his own
>WAAH WAAH PAYMENT PROCESSORS ARE CENSORING MY GAMES
>Ignores every fucking blockchain in existence that has had 5 years of iteration and innovation to make a cheap and accessible alternate payment method

You deserve this

>>720413270
>Making up fake scenarios to get angry at
Every time

I for one think AI is a good thing. It’s rough now because it’s still in its infancy. In ten years it will be invaluable.

>>720395795 (OP)
lack of discipline

> haven't worked on dream game in a week and a half.

>>720413479
NTA but he's not wrong. ChatGPT is pretty bad at being a guide for games.

>>720395795 (OP)
i don't want to lose any arts to clankers as that will be the death of humanity. but coding? i don't really care. go all out

>>720413318
>the people who still believe crypto will ever be used for something other than speculative investing and illegal dealings are also the people telling you that bots can replace a programmer or artist
it's honestly reassuring.

>>720413542
how'd that work out for crypto and VR? any day now, right?

>>720413542
In ten years you’ll be looking back at today, thinking “I didn’t know how good I had it”

I'm going to make an AI game better than any AAA studio could by myself. I'll get around to it right after I finish gooning to AI porn. Sometime next week. Or next month. Idk but soon.

>>720413779
ANY DAY NOW THAT BUBBLE'S GONNA BURST
ANY SECOND NOW
Soon
very soon
oh! oh...

>>720413158
Its pretty interesting seeing where AI takes the world gen. It was a real bitch to find all the algorithms various devs use to create a world that actually resembles the earth properly. Apparently there is still a lot of debate on the best way to produce worlds in code.
Getting the algorithm down was just one step and that took many iterations, it probably took 500 or so prompts to get the game to this point in total, and thats building an idea from nothing, if you give the AI references you can get it done much more quickly.

as much time as it takes to correct stupid programming errors AI makes, it still must be 10000x faster than actually writing all the code out the legit way as a real programmer might do. How different is that to what AI is doing really?

the kind of person that would use chatgpt like that doesn't have the grit to make a video game or the sense to make a good one

>>720414006
whatta ya know... i'm gooning too!

Just make a porn game bros

>>720414904
this >>720414789
is more fun to goon and coom to

It really goes to show how important "idea guys" really are when theres a tool that allows anyone to create anything yet 99% of the people just comes up with "nothing'

>>720414493
Me, heres an older version of this game when it was still just a minecraft knockoff. Its fun just experimenting, which is distracting and makes it hard to make anything truly finished and polished.

Also I left out a sentence in that post.
Most programmers are just copy pasting and reusing old code they have laying around from old projects, how different is that to what AI is doing really?

>>720413779
Yes. Like crypto and VR. Unironically.

>>720395795 (OP)
hmmm... can it code based on system requirements?

>>720415542
If you ask it to

>>720395795 (OP)
>it is late 2028
>9000 11/10 4000 hour long games are generated every second
>need to use ai just to sift through the catalog
>everyone plays something different and never at the same time
>video game discussion completely implodes like a tower of babel
>/v/ not only still exists, but has the highest traffic on record

>Ask Gemini for a driving game
>Gives me a step by step on setting up scenes and nodes
>???
>Profit

APOLOGIZE
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>720415486
t. no codes

>>720416418
I know you're trying to use that to say AI is shit but actually that looks like a really strong start.

Just need assets and maps and you're done.

>>720416418
Nice! You're 0.0001% of the way, keep on devving! See you in 5 years.

>>720395795 (OP)
Because it simply wouldn't work. Genuine working code for anything more complex than your most basic-bitch program is hard as hell and chatbot outputs are so riddled with errors that you spend as much time rectifying them as you would simply doing it from scratch.

>>720416418
That's pretty nice

>>720395795 (OP)
Anyone have that image of the guy smoking a cigar making his minion shitpost online for him? That's me reprompting chatgpt on repeat until it generates the script correctly. Pretty useful for seamless textures and sprites. You can take photos and tell it to take a portion and make it seamless and then prompt it to be re-stylized. Image to 3D is in its infancy but you can get it to work.

>Chatgpt
>Suno
>Hexa3D
All pretty neat tools. There's a few neat ones on huggingface as well.

>>720396931
make a game then retard.

>>720417972
I am

>>720395795 (OP)
I used it to make a discord bot that controls my vlc play list with information about all the shows on the playlist and everything, took about an afternoon.

>>720419209
Based

>>720395795 (OP)
i've been using it to make figurines but fuck it made 2d games so fast. i was fun

it sucks for 3d so im gonna just study the code to apply it to unity

>>720395795 (OP)
>Chatgpt can write up code for a game in unity and what not.
Much like it can make pictures and write? You know the ones that look like they're made out of plastic, melting wax, and with grotesque deformity and perspective problems. Or, the stories it creates where it uses the same phrasing and wording a hundred times over the span of a thousand words because it only has eighty lines of rehashed verbiage it was trained to use correctly. And, also suffers from a complete lack of continuity of thought and subject matter? Yes, I'm sure the chatbot, which lies by design... >>720395991 can totally program a game for you.

>>720395795 (OP)
>>720398560
>>720406518
Fixing AI-generated bugs is so time-consuming and painful that I only ever use AI for tedious bullshit or basic outlining.
IMO the most important thing in programming is knowing what you're doing and how your code works, but it becomes very easy to skip that step when a substantial portion of your code is automatically generated.

>>720396931
lol........ i use chatgpt every fucking day and was paying for it at one point and may pay again in the future if my usage increases, it can't make a game you stupid fucking retarded sack of fucking dog shit. it can hardly debug a small snippet of code you crock of fucking rotten green beans retarded stupid dick headed zoomer

Why did openAI's owner kill his friend and competitor?

>>720423931
You lost

>>720416357
I don't know why people think this is what's going to happen.
Before AI even existed, Steam was getting about 50 new games per day, adding up to 1.5k new games every month.
Compare this to mobile games, where the google play store gets 45k new games per month.

How many games released last month can you name off the top of your head? Is the number anywhere close to 1500?
The point being that we've been getting flooded with titles for decades at this point and you never even noticed before. Not sure why you think that's going to magically change just because the already astronomically high number is going to get arbitrarily larger.

>>720416418
Nice but not the best example as 2 minutes online search gave me this CC0 project with everything already setup.

>>720428216
Pretty cool, I'm tempted to draw a track in mspaint and have AI turn it into a level

>>720395998
Reminds me of all these movie projects made in blender that died without producing anything notable

>>720395795 (OP)
>What's to stop any of us from making a dream game like this?
The same thing that always was. You're a no good slacker who will never actually do anything except make excuses.

>>720428691
You sound like a doomer

>>720399475
AI games will still cost 100 gorillion and (((they))) will still charge you $90+tax+tip

>>720395795 (OP)
it can write code that doesnt work because it got tired and decided to invent its own programming language using your prompt. And then it will extort you for money.

>>720395795 (OP)
>the rate of shovelware released hasn't really grown
ai is okay for toy projects, like a 1000 lines of code browser addon. it's unusable for any real work.

>>720395795 (OP)
>Chatgpt can write up code for a game in unity and what not.
No it can't.
Yes you saw that one YouTube vid where a real programmer gave it a painstakingly precise instructions to make a Flappy Bird clone but if you try anything beyond TicTacToe you're going to end up very disappointed.

>>720396152
It was just as shit, don't kid yourself.

>>720429376
Ive spent however many years it is now listening to anon hype up jow they are going to be world class devs now that AI can do everything for them.
And yet no games?
I guess lack of art or music wasn't holding anon back.
Truth is it never held anyone back. Zun's art has always been shit and he's been pretty successful. Anon isn't a successful game dev because the only thing he is able to make are excuses to not make a game.

>>720396571
its not great, but you can very easily makes a newgrounds-tier shitty 2D platformer with zero programming knowledge, especially in a program like Godot.
you need to know the very basics, like what a node and scene is and stuff, but thats about it (and it could probably walk you through that too).
You probably won't be making your dream game though unless your dream game is Pitfall or space invaders

The real issue is troubleshooting

>>720431650
Games have been posted

>>720432064
No one actually reads the thread before posting, they see the OP make a thoughtless NPC comment based on their programming and then leave the thread having never learned anything in their life except what they were forced to memorize in school.

>>720395795 (OP)
do people really think making a game is just coding as if it's still the 80s

>>720432406
Do you

>>720395795 (OP)
Because it's useless. You have to know exactly what's supposed to be in the next line to write anything that works, because of constant hallucinations and ridiculous gaslighting it produces. It simply can't think for shit, and it's much easier just to write everything yourself

>>720395795 (OP)
youd be better off getting a jeet from fiverr

It sucks dicks for writing any sort of systems. I've tried a few months ago and you'll just end up rewriting the system on your own anyway. It's decent for concepting the big picture for them.

>>720434030
Yeah like the amount of gaslighting these things do is crazy and it's by design too. Because they want you to use them and buy subscriptions so the AI is NEVER going to call you a stupid retard for whatever ideas you might have.

>>720395795 (OP)
>SAAAAAAAAAAAR SLOP IS GOOD MAKE YOUR DREAM GAME SAAR
Retarded jeet nigger

>>720404581
>have more respect towards coder
It doesn't matter if a code is ontologically better, respectful, or any other mumbo jumbo. As a PROgammer, your task is to fix it anyway and see why it's architecturally wrong and debug it making the code correctly. AI code is now equal or better than vibecodebro's code with "intention". This means AI has replaced all vibecoders. It's only inferior to GODgammers who write it all and it's instantly correct.

>>720432332
>everyone is dumb but me
acute case of unwarranted self importance syndrome and overblown ego

What happened to AI shows? They were a thing BEFORE the AI hype started

>>720432064
I have spent years now listening to you faggots how AI is going to turn all you wannabe ideas guys in to successful auters, but all any of you ever do is tell me "it's going to happen soon" and post some a video of some demo someone else made.
You were born a useless slacker and you'll die a useless slacker without ever having made a game because all you do it wait for something that can do it for you. Lack of artistic or coding ability was never what was holding you wannabes back.

Don't bother with video games. Go make something that integrates with LLMs, improve SillyTavern.

>>720436535
they're still running
forever...

>>720395795 (OP)
Not enough memory to remember all the code of a game

Go try it OP, good luck!

>>720396152
Oh yeah it's totally AI that ruined the internet, not normies like you who were able to get to it through sòyphones

>>720395998
30 million is a LOT for a non Disney/DreamWorks animated film. Wolfwalkers, a hand drawn 2D film, cost half that and it was animated in Ireland. Not exactly a cheap country. I bet half of that 30m is going to some producers and another 10m going to marketing. It's a tiny amount of money for OpenAI but they REALLY want to prove that all spaces belong to them now.

>>720395795 (OP)
I want to make a profitable game but Steam actually checks for AI-generated code. So you're gonna have to still learn how the code works yourself. Steam will require you to put that it's an AI generated game and there goes your chance of having a real fanbase.

>>720423931
>poorfag on model 4

>>720438738
very epic

>>720404624
The internet completely changed the world, but it didn't make the dot-com bubble any less of a bubble. AI is massively oversold for what it can actually do, and for everyday consumers it's only useful as a toy to make sterile pictures of their dogs with a ghibli filter. AGI is the golden goose but we're already hitting the peak of the curve, with GPT 5 being a sidegrade at best.
Also AI is making people insane and stupid much faster than social media did and that's saying something. It's already getting a stink attached to its overuse even on here, the fucking cathedral of laziness and cynicism.

as far as games go I can only ever see myself using AI to help me with modding
I don't have any interest in making full blown games

>>720438964
I can't make a game since I don't have the capacity to write a good story but I want AI to keep getting better to help me craft a world at least. I like designing characters, I would probably enjoy designing towns if I had the capability to bring them to life, I like playing with reshade and .ini's to adjust game graphics so it would be fun to direct a shader AI to do similar stuff, and if I could have an AI help me with all this I would want to create some kind of ecosystem to run around in, using AI generated animations.

This kind of project to me isn't much different from modding a TES game while not giving a fuck about the story(how I play those games) so it would be a lot of fun for me. I also have a lot of other ideas but I dunno if I'd ever be able to realize them even with the help of AI. But yeah that's what I want from it.

>>720395795 (OP)
If you were a programmer you'll knew the answer.

>>720439262
i tried writing gamebryo scripts with AI (which literally can be written by a grade school retard) and it can't cough up even basic code without making a FUCKTON of errors. and i wouldn't even try to go for CE with that, it's has much less tolerance for script fuckery
you're better off spending a few hours just reading the wiki tutorials

>>720395795 (OP)
>So genuine question, Chatgpt can write up code for a game in unity and what not.
Zoomers are so fucking stupid.

>>720440391
and it will never get better

>>720439262
Fucking hell. No wonder so many people are dreaming about AI. It's the magical genie for the "ideas guy" to make all his ideas come to life.

>>720440519
Yes. That's the whole point of computers. They allow us to being tons of ideas otherwise locked into our heads to life. Including video games.

>>720428648
Big Buck Bunny is a standard demonstration movie for new codecs/hardware.

>>720395795 (OP)
the code sucks

>>720440591
Not how it works champ.

Chatgpt is the best AI I've used but it cucks with the image upload limit and I'm not paying for pro. Is there any LLM that works like it? Most of what I've tried suck.

>>720395991
>hey, machine that says yes, can you say yes?
>yes
>woah

>>720441265
That is how it works. All video games are computer made just like all AI outputs.

>>720407240
>>720407423
it happens because it's an llm and it's trained on actual code from actual programmers and there are comments all over the place in actual code so it writes those too

>>720395795 (OP)
The truth is that if a person did not do anything to exercise their creativity before a facilitating technology existed, they will not do so afterwards either.

>>720395795 (OP)
>What's to stop any of us from making a dream game like this?
I don't know anon, why don't you try it and let us know how it goes?

>>720441404
Can you?

>>720414217
>look at how heavy the bags I'm holding have gotten
>look at how long I've been collecting more bags for
sunk cost fallacy and infinite growth fallacy. I hope you've made a big profit overall and I hope you're selling regularly and not getting stuck holding (most of) that bag at the end. it's conceivable that bitcoin never drops to zero as criminals keep using it and the rest can use it as a shitty "digital gold" to bypass fluctuations and inflation in other currencies. but a scenario where bitcoin stays at one of its extremely inflated price points of the past decade is all but impossible. there's a saturation point where it no longer makes sense for big financial institutions and billionaires to pump this asset up, and when that point is reached the pull out and the value plummets. as soon as it makes more sense for them to invest elsewhere they will start dumping bitcoin and once it falls past one or two psychological barriers of the past faith in bitcoin will evaporate, causing it to hit some rock bottom value that can be sustained by drug deals and the like. this is certain to happen, we merely don't know if it's going to happen tomorrow or in a decade. don't get stuck holding the bag when it inevitably crashes.

>>720438652
>Ireland
the wages in ireland are extremely low so 30 million there is at least 60 million in the US

>>720443587
people said this exact thing 10 years ago when it hit $1000 and crashed to under $300 for years

I use crypto several times a week for illegal dealings

>>720443486
Yes.

>>720415489
>>720443670
firstly about bitcoin, if they said this exact thing they were right, doesn't matter when. it's fundamentally true that the only use case is crime, and most people will never be criminals trying to hide their financial tracks from their government. the real value of bitcoin comes only from crime and the vast majority of the current value comes from reckless speculation of big investors. only the former will remain long-term. the latter is temporary, it will move on. the moment something more profitable than pump and dump schemes in crypto comes along crypto crashes to "regional weed dealer" levels. your guess is as good as mine what that level is but I'm sure we agree that it's extremely low compared to the speculative value of today.

secondly, VR never got off the ground and isn't going to either. it flopped. nobody wants to add yet another gizmo to the "gaming stack". in the age of smartphones bordering on powerful enough for TV gaming (threatening to kill off consoles in the coming years) an extra device that you need to wear on your head/face and waggle controllers with too few buttons is just not interesting to enough gamers. plus the GPU price problem that affects PC gaming counts double for VR, making it even more niche than it should be. the cap for VR might be 10% of the PC gaming market, but with these prices it's capped even lower. VR is not "the future", VR is an eternal gimmick.

>>720444328
>it's fundamentally true that the only use case is crime,
actual mongoloid

>>720444465
government surveilled and taxed currencies are better for every other possible use case. it's obvious that crypto's only advantage is tax evasion / anonymity. everything else about it is worse. you can't name a legal use case where just using regular currency doesn't shit all over wasting your time with crypto.

>>720444957
>advocating for taxation and potentially frozen bank accounts
genuine retard

>>720445094
You're not going to be some badass warlord in the anarchy you imagine. You'd be killed or enslaved. Taxes are the lesser of two evils.

>>720445629
schizophrenic dumbass too

>>720445094
I'm not "advocating" for shit.

Because making games is still boring as fuck. Takes thousands of hours and coding, animating, modelling, testing is boring and tedious as fuck, I'd rather just be playing a fucking finished game.

>>720445930
you saying it's a bad thing for them to not exist is advocating for them

>>720446295
>you saying it's a bad thing for them to not exist
also didn't say that. can you stop strawmanning? you're acting like a godot cultist right now. all I said was there's no use case for existing crypto currencies because they are less convenient than the existing non-crypto currencies people are already using. crypto takes time to process payments and has wildly fluctuating value. at least those two problems would need to be fixed and it seems impossible or surely one of the thousands of startup attempts would have delivered in a decade of trying.

>>720395795 (OP)
Okay, show me. Make a proof of concept that plays good. It doesn't need to look good, it doesn't even need sound. Just make good gameplay. Should be easy, right?

>>720448658
based

>>720395795 (OP)
Coding is no longer the gatekeeper. Is music and art. AI art is still too notorious since you can only reproduce current artstyles and music has copyright issues.

>>720448886
nothing you said is true

>>720448658
It should be pretty funny to have a dual agent setup of them bickering with each other while trying to implement stuff.
lmao.

>>720448886
everything is the gatekeeper.
like any creative endeavor, making a game takes serious work. underachievers who think AI will save them from having to work hard for a single year of their life, are in for a big surprise.

>>720396152
I miss how things were before the internet existed, you just hate AI because you're 15 and it's the first real innovation you've lived thro.

AI is a tool. It's decent enough for some tasks, not all of them. I had it write a shader for me, because I hate shaders.

>>720395795 (OP)
still waiting for a naruto rpg where you can pick your village, clan, and start gathering ninjutso in order to get stronger like those cultivation games, until you awaken and can become hokage or some sht like tht

>>720449623
what specific type of shade do you hate?

>>720395795 (OP)
It would just be poetic justice if AI also replaces programmers, the very same people who were cheering for AI replacing artists and musicians. It's just some short-lived schadenfreude though because we're all going to be screwed in the end anyway.

>>720448748
Maybe they should ask chatgpt to generate them some work ethic.

>>720449816
>he believed the marketing hype
2 more weeks
LLM tech has not advanced as much as they pretend

>>720399635
I did exactly that bit over a year ago. It was a shader for built-in render pipeline in Unity. Granted, it was nothing fancy: UV-scrolling utilizing noise that supported various textures.

>>720450712
I lack the technical knowledge to know if AI is being oversold and has reached its limits, I just find it sad that people first reflex was to weaponize it against each other.

>>720450712
>just ignore the evidence

>>720395795 (OP)
ChatGPT has problems storing specifications:
>I need a script to to A, B, C, D, and I don't want it to do E, but F needs to be like G
>*gives me a script that for some reason has bizzare syntax and usability issues*
>fix that so the command line arguments are like H
>*forgets C and D and rewrites it*
>you forgot C and D
>*forgets my syntax addendum as well as A, and has it do E despite me telling it not to*

>>720396152
your comment has really upset the indians itt

I was taking a Godot course and asked chatgpt for some help with a challenge I was doing, and it told me to use a completely made up property

>>720436749
ok

>>720455557
I like when it gets caught in a loop. I was trying to identify a game by description, and it goes
>oh, it must be X
I'm like "it's not X." It goes
>well, then, it's probably X
"IT'S NOT X YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!"
>*this content may violate usage guidelines* I'm sorry. I'll be sure to remember that and do better. Based on your description, it's almost certainly X.

>>720452389
>the evidence: an AI marketing slogan
i am a programmer and use AI, you are a pea brain, know your place

>>720395998
>We're making a movie enitrely using AI!
>Except for the writing
>and the voice acting
>and the art
So what does that leave?

>>720457031
Then why can't you read a benchmark and see progress? You must be a jeet.

>>720449816
I can't see middle managers or execs sitting down to babysit AI to do the jobs of the people they want to replace desu
even agentic AI is kind of a meme too in the sense that if you just go full hands off with that shit sooner or later someone is going to drain your account or steal a ton of info somehow, assuming it doesn't hallucinate and fuck up massively before anyone can exploit it

>>720395795 (OP)
The fact that it cant copy that dream game from github so people can claim chatgpt "coded" it

>>720441290
nope. just haveto bid time until someone makes a free one

also that figurine thing seems so easily replicatable. even old models can sorta do it, jsut without the data

>>720395998
>that budget
using AI isn't really going to save money then huh.

>>720461681
that's nothing for a movie

>>720395795 (OP)
Not even a "support real artists" thing.
ChatGPT is neutered content-wise and has ugly ass attempts on pixel art.

>>720429675
I'd lol if they tried.

>>720395795 (OP)
>What's to stop any of us from making a dream game like this?
It's still a shit ton of work, which most anons have no interest in doing.

>>720397502
No, you've got it backwards. The only piece that's missing is the hardware to run the AI generated 3D models and their animations. Get bsck to work so you can buy your new $2000 GPU, wagie.