Thread 720399512

Silent Hill 2 Remake, what went right and wrong?

>>720399512 (OP)
>what went right
Atmosphere and Luke Roberts
>what went wrong
Didn't really need to exist as the original hasn't aged much, and too much combat.

>>720399686
>Didn't really need to exist as the original hasn't aged much
for me it's more about availability that pisses me off, you can't buy og sh2 on modern hardware
even if you hate the new resident evil remakes, at least capcom lets you play the original

Eileen shaving

>>720399512 (OP)
how the fuck is it fair that he has hair like that and im thinning like crazy

>>720400537
He's only 29

>>720400607
He's actually older in the remake

This ending is so fucking heartbreaking. Beautiful stuff though. Luke Roberts was robbed last year

https://youtu.be/62Z3Dn4EroU?

>>720400990
not really bro.

>>720399512 (OP)
Everything good about it was already good in the original. The only actually improved aspect was the combat but nobody is playing Silent Hill 2 for it's combat, nor does the mediocre and simplistic combat present in the remake change that.

>>720400068
Whoever owns the rights to the PC port isn't Konami.

>>720399512 (OP)
>what went right
Excellent atmosphere, really cool otherworld
>wrong
hospital > hospital (otherworld) > Silent Hill (Otherworld) > Prison > Labyrinth

Insufferable section, not a moment to breathe just a constant onslaught that never lets up, overbearing and in a bad way. At least the game went out strong with the Hotel which was an amazing final level, my favorite part of the game

>>720400990
I quite liked the new endings in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOrFF2MXSNU

>>720401626
Clearly made by fans of the original. These new endings feel as genuine to this story as anything Team Silent would have made.

I enjoyed it. Theres parts of it that are better than the og and parts that are worse. So its worth playing both.

If they make a Born From A Wish dlc I'd buy it.

>>720399686
Atmosphere is terrible what are you talking about.

Kino scene desu: https://youtu.be/tz2J2QYqj4A?t=130

>>720402348
wrong.

>>720401626
this is good stuff
bloober did it, I have nothing to say (and I guess they went straight back to mediocre with the their new game)

>>720402365
Luke Roberts did such a good job. Just enough subtlety to the performance to still feel like that disconnected weirdo from the original performance Guy gave. I still think about that scene where he looks longingly at the glass of whiskey Maria pours for him. I know that struggling aclhy stare anywhere.

>>720402365
her vocal performance is great here.
>or you could just force me, like he always did

kino remake

>>720401243
Yeah, it's in some weird limbo. The old port was done by Creature Labs or some third-party outfit for Konami way back, and now between that and licensing issues (maybe music too?), it's like Konami doesn't even know how to re-release their own damn game. Meanwhile fans are out here patching the PC version into a definitive edition with the Enhanced mod, doing Konami's job better than they ever could.

>>720402624
Beautifully rendered eyes. You can see the mental breakage.

>>720402541
When you don't have something good to copy they go right back down to trash.

>>720399512 (OP)
Prison section was a bit too long and I preferredsoundtrack of original than new one

The 1 Remake better be kino. They better not be all smug and lazy due to the positive reaction to 2 Remake.

>>720400990
Might be my favorite ending

>>720399512 (OP)
I literally can't think of anything I liked about this game. On paper it's not bad, theoretically at least the combat should be better, but in practice it's a tedious, over long game to play with every aspect of the story, tone, mood, atmosphere being worse or more boring than the original. Playing this game felt like work and I never finished it as a result.

>>720402783
So did they do 2 first because it's the fan favorite and they wanted to see if it would sell well? Because if they do 1 remake and 3 right after it would at least be a narrative sequel. I guess that works.

>>720402964
Konami wanted their RE2 Remake situation so they picked SH2 as its the most well known and most popular and praised.

>>720402964
It's the most acclaimed among critics and fans. Same reason they remade MGS3 first.

>>720402960
>over long game
This is just me but I liked that it was long as I felt drained by the end like James. I played it all in one sitting and it took me 20 hours.

>>720400990
>what's wrong honey...?

>will you wait for me?
>James... I've always been waiting for you.

>>720403074
To be fair, MGS3 is the first game chronologically so now they can do 1 and 2 after.

Is Silent Hill 2 the only horror game that can be described as "beautiful"? Unironically. It has such a mature and thoughtful narrative.

>>720403202
Yeah, they can just go in chronological order now I guess. You could say SH2 is a good choice as well since it's a completely self contained story.

>>720399686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ

A solid remake. I enjoyed it. The most underrated aspect was the sound design. My only real complaint is the melee combat.

>>720399512 (OP)
The combat is even more tedious than in the original because there's so many enemies now and James has no crowd control capabilities.

Cronos is so much more fun it's unreal

>>720403628
polska gurom
oh wait bloober made both games

>>720402448
Good representation of what the inside of a Demake lover's skull looks like

>>720399512 (OP)
I really liked it my biggest problem is not the game itself, but the fact it has all but killed any chance of getting a proper rerelease of the OG, same goes for 2 and 3 which are also obviously getting remakes. It's so retarded companies do this when RE4 like the most ported game in existance had it's remake do great

A good example of what a remake should be.

>>720402541
No wonder White Claudia was so popular, it gives you your own afterlife.

>>720399512 (OP)
>tlou combat
>random gauntlets
>having to mash every little thing in the game, even just grabbing something requires 5 delayed pushes of the x button, and why is there a cancel function in middle of it? i pressed that shit on accident one too many times
>hold over mash function doesn't work properly if at all
>youre able to cancel out of toggle to sprint, which totally fucks you up while you're trying to start sprinting only to cancel your sprint mid enemy confrontation
>you can get stuck in walls and corners at times and you have to melee your way out, actually this cost me 3 hours of progress in the labyrinth when i soft locked to a fucking table (google this to see how many people were affected)
>shooting during an unexpected reload forces out the shot at the end of your reload, messing up your aim and wasting your ammo, actually theres heavy input lag in general
>the interaction prompt is so often unresponsive you can get attacked by an enemy trying to escape through a duct or crack
>the radio doesn't work half the time, or it'll start working when mannequins are right on your ass because it conveniently doesn't pick up on them while they're playing dead (this isnt thematically or practically consistent)
>checking the map doesn't pause the game which is a problem with the mandarin part later in the labyrinth
>every dungeon layout is objectively inferior to the originals, all the neat square shapes are replaced with unnecessarily large and confusing rearrangements that don't make sense spatially
>way too many wall cracks, i dont even know why they kept the doors since the game is now 90% wall cracks
>the fact that they added grunts is so annoying i had to mute the in game voice audio, the original game doesn't have this sound pollution and is automatically definitive on that basis alone
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>>720409273
>heaven's night was moved from its original location for no reason, leading to one of the most pointless changes in a padded out moonlight grove part
>they solved the mystery of the brookhaven garden being bigger in the map than it actually is, which is a mystery that didn't need solving because it added to the mystique (common pattern in this demake)
>no hair in the box is tasteless and gets rid of one of the funniest quirks in the original game, change for the sake of change
>quiz has no music playing and narrator sounds totally disinterested, you're supposed to feel the narrative dissonance with a happy quiz show in the middle of a horror event
>quiz also isnt solved in the hospital where your memory of the questions is fresh
>pyramid head chase in the hospital is publicly announced in a cutscene instead of happening mid gameplay while the player is caught off guard
>why are there nurses in the streets? and in every dungeon after the hospital
>hangman puzzle is unnecessarily complicated with a two step process of matching the puzzle and then solving the innocent criminal
>labyrinth is now a million times more annoying with the new aggressive mandarins who litter the hallways
>they ruined the final boss with a banal underground section for the 2nd half that takes you out of the kino atmosphere of the rooftop from the original
>the entire game is trying to pull a meta deconstruction meme like ff7r but done in a worse way by pretending the characters have memories of the original game's events and trying to canonize the loop theory which is retarded

>>720399512 (OP)
>right
everything but
>wrong
dodge mechanics in a horror game

>>720399512 (OP)
Nothing, it was pure kino

>>720402964
You fucking know why they remade 2 first.

>>720409273
>>720409380
This, anyone saying
>"Duhhhh this is what remakes should be!"
is a retarded mongoloid whose opinion should be discarded

>>720399512 (OP)
>right
Nothing
>wrong
Ugly Angela and censored Maria

>>720409572
>>wrong
>dodge mechanics in a horror game
Uh, sis?

white noiz is my favorite ost and they ruined it

>>720399512 (OP)
I'll admit, I enjoyed the remake more than I thought I would.

First for the bad. The game is just terribly optimized! For comparison, on my 7900 XTX, I was able to get 130+ FPS in RE4R maxed out (native) but in SH2R, I could barely reach 60 FPS (with FSR 3.1 enabled) in some parts of the game. To make matters worse, the stuttering is really annoying and breaks immersion at times.

There are also too many enemies! I would have preferred having slightly tougher monsters with a bit less encounters. Also, the designs for Maria and Angela are off (due to SBI involvement) but nothing a couple of mods can't fix. James, Eddie and Laura are fine for the most part.

Now for the good. Aside from a few questionable choices, I thought the graphics, level designs and atmosphere were really good. Many of character interactions, dialogue and performances are much more believable than the original. After having just replayed the enhanced edition of the original (in hard), I can attest that the remake is much more challenging and nerve-racking. The mannequins got me more times than I'll like to admit!

As much as people here want to hate on it, I believe Blooper showed that they cared about the original and tried to remake it as best as they could (or were allowed to). While not perfect (the original is still better in some things), I thought they did a decent job and I'm glad I gave it a chance.

>>720400990
Yeah this ending is my favorite. Better than the original's endings. It's a shame they butchered Mary's letter so hard.

>>720399512 (OP)
how many times do we have to have this thread?

The nightmare streets are my favorite part of the game. Game eases off the enemies a bit and just lets you soak in desolate streets.
Reminds me a lot of the wind turbine section in SH1. Can't wait to see that remade.

>>720399512 (OP)
>What went right
Everything minus Maria
>What went wrong
Maria, the demon supposed to represent lust was the ugliest character with a massive head, wrinkles all over the placed, make up of a cheap whore in her 40s and a censored outfit.
I dont give a fuck about making the rape victim hot, only the most depraved gooners complain about it but Maria? no excuse for her to be ugly, she's supposed to be sex incarnate.