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Anonymous No.720411872 [Report] >>720411998 >>720412960 >>720413042 >>720413673 >>720414290 >>720415349 >>720415567 >>720415798 >>720417206 >>720417630
i know that the "if you did [thing] in x videogame, you didn't play x videogame" is mostly a joke in here but.
if you use guides (manual doesn't count) to play the first legend of zelda, you didn't really play it
Anonymous No.720411998 [Report]
>>720411872 (OP)
Playing tunic blind is a hell of an experience. The moment certain things click is like magic.
I can only imagine how much worse it must be looking shit up.
Anonymous No.720412395 [Report]
>walking around burning every tree
>bombing every wall
>cant use the basic human function of communicating
autismo take i played the 1st zelda with my girlfriend telling me where to go and then we banged during the credits
Anonymous No.720412960 [Report] >>720414367 >>720417943
>>720411872 (OP)
Zelda 1 is actually a decent action game for the NES if you know what you're doing. I can see why people who grew up with the game like it a lot, because they already went through the process of learning its bullshit through hours of trial and error and asking kids on the playground who read nintendo power.

A lot of people don't think the exploration is very rewarding playing it on their own. Some do, but the ones who don't are missing out on a fun game because (you) decided they need to smash their head against a rock wall to enjoy it.
Anonymous No.720413042 [Report] >>720415858
>>720411872 (OP)
Pic rel is the only instance I can think of in Zelda 1 where a reasonable player would really be forced to look up what to do. If you get to Grumble Grumble and haven't seen the item that you need (and so don't even know it exists, or have any clue what to do to get it), it's a total brick wall.
Other than that though I pretty much agree, people overstate how "unbeatable" Zelda 1 is without a guide.
Anonymous No.720413673 [Report]
>>720411872 (OP)
just the redux romhack, don't even use the manual it's a crutch.
Anonymous No.720413868 [Report]
>you MUST flail around like a retard and figure out the entire game yourself, or you didn't beat it!
that's nice dear
now go dilate, your axewound is leaking
Anonymous No.720414290 [Report]
>>720411872 (OP)
>if you use guides (manual doesn't count)
It does, actually.
Sounds like you're projecting about not beating the game :/
Go beat 2nd Quest without any help, it's the only way to restore your honor.
Anonymous No.720414367 [Report]
>>720412960
>went through the process of learning its bullshit through hours of trial and error and asking kids on the playground

This is a huge thing if you ask me. Back then,
>we usually owned less games so we spent more time on the ones we had
>exploration heavy games were a relative novelty in the US (the UK market had a fair number of exploratory/adventure platformers like manic miner, but the US didn't really have the ZX etc market)
>games were all poorly documented, often poorly translated, and we were used to it

Nowadays, if you butt up against a wall for an evening, you look up WTF to do immediately. The information is out there, guides are made in detail in multiple forms.

Back then we were just used to the fact that you couldn't get full info on a game by snapping your fingers. Individual hints were important, maps were important, and it was exceedingly rare to get your hands on a full guide.

Come the dawn of the internet, guides started to be written and shared, and it was largely seen as useful. Guides came in various forms, from walkthroughs to segment guides to the specifics of one mechanic (eg "blue magic guide" for FF5), and even the vaunted full spoiler-free walkthrough that you could search without seeing plot.

I think the text guides written by one dedicated autist for personal enjoyment were better than the wikis we get today and better than the multi-page shitty multi author guides written by sites that just want to show you ads and link to their youtube channel.
Anonymous No.720415349 [Report]
>>720411872 (OP)
yes I did :)
Anonymous No.720415567 [Report]
>>720411872 (OP)
I used the online map, AND I abused the living hell out of save states, AND I beat the game.
Anonymous No.720415798 [Report] >>720416087
>>720411872 (OP)
>(manual doesn't count)
>explicitly tells you what to do at the start of the game and how to get to the first two dungeons
lmao, fuck off.
Anonymous No.720415858 [Report] >>720416372
>>720413042
>use one of the tiny number of common shop items on it
>NOOOOOO THIS IS TOOO CRYPTIC
fucking zoomers
Anonymous No.720416081 [Report]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2sQKNGcp2I
LoZ has the best ending theme in the franchise. Ragtime is the best time.
Anonymous No.720416087 [Report]
>>720415798
>don't get lost
Fuck you, you don't get to tell me what to do.
Anonymous No.720416372 [Report] >>720417036
>>720415858
>common shop item
It's not a common shop item, it's only found in one of 3 or 4 hidden shops, and if you haven't naturally found one of those shops by the time you need it, then it really does become a game of "bomb every wall."
Anonymous No.720416614 [Report] >>720416731 >>720417353
Shit like "continues" and finite respawns were relics of the arcade days where they tried to milk you for quarters. Save states aren't cheating as long as you only use them at places that are already checkpoints.
Anonymous No.720416731 [Report]
>>720416614
>Save states aren't cheating
In-game checkpoints are limited. Save states aren't. You cheated. There's your le truth nuke.
Anonymous No.720417036 [Report] >>720417430 >>720417693
>>720416372
>AAAHHHHH WHAT IS THIS BIG QUESTION MARK ON THE MAP IN THE MANUAL I JUST CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT!!!
Anonymous No.720417206 [Report] >>720417693
>>720411872 (OP)
The only time I used a guide in Zelda 1 or 2 was to get past Death Mountain in Zelda 2 which imo is valid , that's the lowest point of the game by a lot
Anonymous No.720417353 [Report]
>>720416614
>being punished for failure is bad
>you shouldn't actually have to engage with the game's mechanics
Anonymous No.720417430 [Report]
>>720417036
zoomers be like "what's a manual???"
Anonymous No.720417630 [Report]
>>720411872 (OP)
Bullshit. When Zelda came out, kids crowdsourced info about NES games and that was the only way anyone ever beat them. Since that aspect is missing now, guides are 100% acceptable. Asking on a forum would be better but good luck finding active forums for NES games.
>t. NES kid
Anonymous No.720417693 [Report] >>720418381
>>720417036
You know what, fair enough, I forgot there was one in this shop too.
But you need to find ways to improve your interactions with others.
>>720417206
Death Mountain I never had any problems with, it was just a literal maze. But did you just happen to find all the heart/magic upgrades on your own? There was one in particular in the overworld maze before the fourth(?) temple that I remember being very easily missable.
Anonymous No.720417758 [Report] >>720417898
I guess people in the 80's who ready Nintendo Power or... even read the manual did not "really" complete the game.
Anonymous No.720417898 [Report]
>>720417758
Nintendo Power magazines were actually pretty rare back then. I never once saw them in stores until the mid-90s at least. Most of us just begged our parents to let us call the Nintendo tip number.
Anonymous No.720417943 [Report]
>>720412960
>A lot of people don't think the exploration is very rewarding playing it on their own. Some do, but the ones who don't are missing out on a fun game because (you) decided they need to smash their head against a rock wall to enjoy it.
I'm finally playing hollow knight after buying it for 8 bucks years ago. I played it for 7 hours and then never touched it whenever that was. I love the way it sucks. I'm just wandering around trying to figure shit out. I hate the game but they did stuff well because I keep booting it back up just to go:
>the fuck
>huh?
>no map?
>who the fuck is this?
>what?
>oh another jump?
>why is this place orange now I need to go through here
>how the fuck do I open this door?
>is this the same door is this a different door?
>nigger you're crazy I can't afford 120 geo for a map?
>there's a bank?
>I have 6k geo in the bank?
>where's that map guy?
>I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING MAP!
Anonymous No.720418381 [Report]
>>720417693
>NOOOOOO YOU NEED TO IMPROVE YOUR INTERACTIONS WITH OTHERS!!!!
Anonymous No.720420027 [Report]
zelda 1 doesnt really require you to burn bushes or bomb walls just to progress the game. usually those are just for the secrets